This post was originally published at Technically, That’s Illegal.
My recent career as a mother has really changed my opinions about a lot of things. I am determined not to raise my kids in a paranoid manner. I cringed at my youngest today. He was crawling around the library carrying pieces of their puzzles in his mouth. Of course, this is normal behavior for a 9-month old child, which is precisely why I am sure that approximately 2.3 million other infants have done the same thing. I have to tell myself that I’m fairly certain that none of those infants have life-threatening contagious diseases that I need to worry about. I just let him go about his business as a baby. He’s still alive at this moment…some four hours later. Some people don’t even go to the library because they fear public germs.
Did you know that this fear of germs is more prevalent in the United States than other countries? I haven’t done extensive research, but I do know that mysophobia is common in America. I had some friends a few years ago who moved to the U.S. on student visas. They told me that the people who greeted them as they entered the United States for the first time would shake their hands, say, “Welcome to the United States,” and then wash with hand sanitizer. How much snobbier does it get? If that’s the message us Americans send to others — that they are probably diseased and we’re not — why bother shaking their hands at all?
Anyway, I am determined to teach my kids about acceptable and unacceptable forms of communication and touch so that they will feel comfortable talking to most strangers. If I am successful, they will know how to handle the unlikely event that someone does mean to do them harm (rather than avoiding all “strangers”). This is the philosophy espoused by Free Range Kids, and I am indebted to them for their continual coverage and encouragement on these issues.
So, what about cops? I was raised with Sesame Street. They showed me “the people in my neighborhood,” one of them being a friendly police officer. The meme then and now is that we should trust the police, especially in the case of emergencies. Here you can see Sesame Street promoting the idea that a police officer could help a young child find their way home. Unfortunately, in this day and age, the police officer would probably dream up some charge for the mother or father that happened to somehow lose track of their kid. If you don’t believe me, check out this article about a woman facing child endangerment charges for making her son walk to school. Or, this one about a guy who was also charged with child endangerment for riding with his kids on his bike down a one way street (for a very short distance). Then, there’s this one the parent who was reported to CPS for allowing her child to ride her bike to school. These cases occur all the time. What was normal (yet still unnerving) in the late 1970s (a child getting lost), is now grounds for criminal charges.
So, how to I reconcile my increasing distrust of the police with my desire to raise my kids not to be paranoid and worried all of the time? I still don’t have an answer for this. My kids are still quite young. I’m hoping my mind comes up with a solution to this problem as time goes on. I assume my stance will generally be to ignore the police as much as possible. But, that’s becoming very hard to do with a 2-year old who is obsessed with their cars, lights, and sirens. Welcome to cognitive dissonance.
My advice to this woman, about the police, is that we should train our children to know right from wrong. They need to learn how to protect ourselves. We also need to teach them about certain dangers, so as they grow, they can be alert about these dangers. Self sufficient people can live life fully, unharmed, and without calling the police at every instant.
I believe every citizens should obey the laws that are set forth. To stand together to defeat the laws that harms us. Should practice your rights and freedoms under the Constitution, such as , the right to bear arms. However, as we raise our children, the most important to teach, is respect. If we don’t agree or fear the police, thus we must respect them anyway. Reminds me of where God says to bless your enemies and He will take care of them.
We need to re-train our minds to understand, that when raising children, you teach them about liberties, freedoms, justice, respect, our rights under the Constitution, and take responsibility for our own selves and not rely on the government for anything.
Two of my grandkids were at my house (playing in the front yard) when the po-lice raided me. This was about a year after the same cops killed one of their mom’s best friends. The older one later told his mom, “Those cops were dumb; they didn’t even knock.” The younger one, for years, would hide whenever he saw a po-lice car. They are teenagers now, and while they seem to be well on the way to responsible adults, neither one has any respect whatsoever for the so-called “law enforcers.”
Sometimes I wonder what kind of adults children like Tarika Wilson’s will grow up to be. Do you think the po-lice ever worry about what kind of citizens they’re creating? As I commented on the post about the sheriff’s tank, not only do they NOT care about your children, they don’t care about their own, either.
The PC pendulum seems to have just gone past its limit and hopefully wiil swing back in a normal fashion.
I am a mother of three. I too, was raised in that “Sesame Street” bubble. I do not have all the answers, but what I try to do is just raise my children as free as possible. I do not shelter them from reality. All the information I have, they do as well. All of my children are big fans of Copblock. I teach them that no man is better than any other man, regardless of who they are, or where they work, or how many people say that they are better. We watch the Philosohy of Liberty all the time, and talk about how that applies to things in their life now.
I went through the Unschooling process when I started to grasp liberty. It is not always easy letting yor kids be “free range”, and still teach them the morals and ethics you would like them to have in life. I just try to practice personal responsibility, and teach them that as well. For instance, I might see their room a mess, or it is ten below zero and my 9yr old does not put on a hat to go outside, I will not tell them to do it, I just remind them that they are responsible for themselves. I also do not shelter them from the consequences of their actions. You will get sick.. belongings lost or broken. Don’t get me wrong, I am still a Mom. I will not let any harm come to them, and will fight to the death to protect them. Because we live like this, they realize that we are all just people. We make mistakes. Some of us are bad. Some of us are good. But we all have to be held accountable for our actions.
I believe as parents we have to make our children aware of “The Matrix” the world really is, and let them make their own decisions from there. Kids are alot more aware than most people give them credit for. If they are given of all the facts, it’s surprising how acurate and blunt their answers are.
In reality, I think that there is a underlying fear or paranoia that comes with truly being aware of what is happening in this world today, and has been for a very long time. I am not sure if that fear stems from the fact that I was raised as a “sheep”, and “woke up” later in life, or if it is just part of what happens for all free minded people. My children are aware of the corruption in this world, and I do not feel they are paranoid. Just aware. Like I said, I do not have all the answers. No one does. I just keep asking questions, and taking in others point of view, to help form my own.
Your Right Rita.. I don’t cae about my daughter.. The 500/month I’m putting into a college fund is actually a boat fund. I’m truly impressed that you know every cop out there and that none of them care about thier children.
And if anyone bothered to look into the story about the 10 year old… “The child goes into oncoming traffic, and goes around the school bus, and around his vehicle.” Kid was actually violating a traffic law. Worth a ticket? No but riding into oncomming traffic isn’t a good thing. IN 2008 we had a 12 year old kid killed riding his bike to school. What would the head lines read if the police saw this, did nothing, and the 10 year old was killed……????
Your post, as well as many other’s, including the story above show the lack of knowledge. If someone posts a story on here about THIER police department and what THIER PD is doing and why they don’t like THEIR PD. I would understand that 100%. BUt we seldomly see that. Instead we get people in NY posting stories about the cops in LA… and then complaining about cops and ASSuming the the NY cops do the same thing. Different states have different laws, different requirements to become a cop, and different policies. Kind of like getting a crappy meal at McDonalds and then assuming that Burger King has the same food service..
Kids are smart and curious. They will learn from you or someone else so I find the best thing to do is to be as open and honest with them as possible. It may lead to situations where they tell people more than needed or wanted so you should explain that concept to them as well.
It is crucial to explain to your children early on that there is no such thing as “good people” or “bad people” (this is more difficult if you happen to be religious so good luck to y’all), there are only “people” and they can all make “good” and “bad” choices. Explain to them that when people make bad choices, it can make it easier or more likely that they will make bad choices in the future. Also explain to them that when in a group, if no one speaks up against the bad choice or for a good choice, the bad choice is more likely to be chosen by atleast one and more likely to not be questioned by the rest of the people. Tell them police are regular people at best, and very likely to follow the crowd of other police officers at worst so they should be trusted no more than any other stranger at best, and any other mob at worst.
Also eventually explain to them that, in a society like ours, where the laws are numerous (unable to be memorized), unimportant (it protects neither life, nor liberty, nor property), and vague (no 100% certainty that you are not breaking an unknown law), hopefully you can use the counter example of your own home where they rules are few, clear, and very important, AND that police enforce the law entire based on the officer’s ability to remember them, interpret them, and communicate them, AND that, as has been shown on this board repeatedly, the LEOs are fully satisfied with arresting the innocent since “they will have a day in court to prove their innocent”… you personally feel a need to be cautious about what you do or say around any police officer.
Also, as a parent, tell them ahead of time to never to say more than “yessir” or “no sir” to a police man without a lawyer present who is representing them, and your permission. :)
These aren’t hard concepts and should be taught early and reinforced often, just like the concepts of respecting life, liberty, body, and property both from them to others and from others to them.
The truth is the truth. Government, and it’s eager pawns, cannot be trusted. This isn’t paranoia. It’s a fact. Kinda like how I’m not ‘paranoid’ that any other wild predator might attack me if I were wandering around in the woods. Government and their Police are predators looking for victims. Its what they do. They are the Lions, Tigers, and Bears of the concrete jungle. Human Intellect is wasted on them, it is nothing more than a tool to figure out how to be a more violent animal. They get-off on subjugation and causing pain and destruction. They’re sick, sick people. Being ‘paranoid’ of people who are so screwed up and violent, granting each other clemency for their behavior… Its not ‘paranoid,’ its common sense. These people are evil, regarding them as such is merely rational.
I have already started telling my 2 1/2 year old not to trust the men and women called police officers, never to talk to them, and avoid them as best she can. I’ll get deeper into it when she is older, and can comprehend more. These 3 things are a good start for her age.
Yeah, don’t talk to the police. Works real well in the hood right now with the “no stitching” policy. People prefer to have murderers, rapist, theives, life among them…victimizing them, rather than talk to the police………………..
I live in a beautiful suburb in Eagan Minnesota, we don’t have situations where we would have to snitch on people. The biggest job the cops have around here is making sure homeowners don’t run their sprinklers after hours.
They “prefer to have murderers, rapist, theives, life among them…victimizing them, rather than talk to the police” and I’m sure you see that as a poor reflection on the people instead of the MORE likely reason that “talking to the police” is a fate WORSE than “having murderers, rapist, theives, life among them…victimizing them”. Yup. I’m sure you’re right, they must just be dumb instead of it being a logical symptom of the result of many, many bad experiences with the police, right?
@ pgosgt — Yeah, I’m sure that college education is going to come in real handy in Judge Dred World. Or in whatever becomes of America when the populace finally decide that they have had ENOUGH bullshit and start SHOOTING BACK. Watch the videos of your own jack-booted comrades brutalizing the unarmed, peaceful occupy protestors. THAT’S the legacy you’ll be leaving your children. Maybe they’ll thank you. Somehow I doubt it.
Andy, i find it odd then how you have this opinion yet no big bad cop stories. I was waiting for the reply of the “the police arrested me for no reason, and then did this to my brother, then arrested so-in-so”
King.. do some reading on the “no snitching” thing. Started by a rapper to help gain fame.. now used to intimidate possible witnesses. And then when the bad stuff happens the police are left with very little. Even victims don’t want to talk. And it has nothing to do with what police did.
We had a rash of shootings several years ago. started off at a party 1 night. at least 50 people “saw nothing”… next night retaliation shooting, and on and on till a 7 year old girl was killed. Parents were at the 1st party who “saw nothing”.. it wasn’t till after the death of thier daughter did they remember what happened. A little to late.
…amazing, no one said nazi yet…
Nazi uniforms looked cooler, and the SS had height and weight standards, unlike most police departments.
I full fully admit that the Germans wore it well, they did have style – when they were killing the Jews or gassing children.
And Slavs, Gypsies, homos, Jehova’s witnesses, Meryl Streep’s kids and cripples
POSSGT: TEACH YOUR CHILD from a very young age how to handle a firearm and COPS ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND and they will lead a very productive life. Never saw a kidnapper grab a kid holding a .45. If every citizen was armed and carried, there would be NO USE for you doughnut eaters.
Not ONE of these were turned in by their own:
Philadelphia PA cop convicted of 1st degree murder for shooting neighbor to death, manditory life sentence [0] bit.ly/zmBKVo
Toronto ON police officer charged w/murder over fatal shooting incident during raid 2 years ago [0] bit.ly/wm3AV3
Lincoln AR cop investigated by special prosecutor for shooting teen he claims had a knife that cops couldn’t find [0] bit.ly/AiO5BA
Joliet IL cop fired after investigators review video of him beating woman while responding to domestic dispute [0] bit.ly/yklY4V
Oakland CA pays $43k to settle suit to man claiming cops beat him w/batons & maced him on false resisting charge [0] bit.ly/zivXmH
New York NY cop sued for detaining woman & having her drugged, straightjacketed & forcibly hospitalized simply for being tipsy even though she wasn’t causing a disturbance. [3] bit.ly/z82d2M
New York NY police sued by cop claiming quota system so stressful that cops are turning on each other and that he suffered retaliation for speaking out against it. [4] nyp.st/zbbd9r
Massachusetts state trooper arrested on domestic assault & battery charges by fellow troopers after wife calls 911 [0] bo.st/xd1Clr
South Salt Lake UT cop investigated for allegedly filing false stolen car reports for questionable car salesman [1] bit.ly/yIth0G
Orangeburg SC police capt charged w/grand larceny for allegedly stealing 8 firearms from police armory [0] bit.ly/xpILZu
Bremerton WA now-retired cop sentenced to 2yrs in prison for illegal gun sales & false tax returns [0] bit.ly/zrJJsZ
I REPEAT MY STATEMENT: COPS ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND. THEY ARE THE BIGGEST STREET GANG IN AMERICA…
Rarely are cops turned in “by their own”, infact we can draw a parallel to the rise of cops being arrested and sued for crimes committed while on duty, with the rise in popularity of Youtube and cellphones/recording devices.
Cops have always been corrupt, but in the past judges and juries alike were all inclined to believe them over Joe Average.
Now that your actions can be broadcast worldwide instantaneously, thanks to Youtube, Qik and other phone and recording apps. The facade the cops have been putting forth all those years by lying on reports and in court, becomes much, much harder. And in some cases lands them in even more trouble once the video of them committing a criminal act comes to light. it will then also show they infact lied to cover it all up.
These tools level the playing field for the general public.
And that is why so many cops don’t like them, and try to arrest people then destroy recording of anyone they catch doing so.
@PSOSGT
I have stories I just don’t like to whine about them all the time on this blog. I have an archived article I wrote for cop block it’s called to serve or not to serve. My cop stories are in that if you want to read it.
@PSOSGT, Assuming you are referring to the 2004 rap song (“Stop Snitchin’”), or even any other rap song ever, I still think you aren’t going far enough back to find the root of the problem. All rap music from Jay-Z to DMX to N.W.A. and even before the 1988 release of “Fuck tha Police” there had been real problems and real reasons why talking to the police, especially as a minority, is not the best course of action.
Personal stories? From me? Not yet. My only encounters with PSOs/LEOs so far has been the scheduled interactions I undertook with them as I worked towards the merit badges that got me my Eagle Scout and the occasional Tax Collection they’ve done in the name of catching me speeding in my youth. Nope, it’s not personal to me in that regard.
My fuel is an entirely different one, based in a lifetime of experience regarding the absolute importance of things like: life, liberty, equality, and property rights combined with the normal cautionary observations I’m made of authority, force, coercion, and abuse. My objections to LEOs are purely in regards to the fact that they are one of the major forces in the world we now know and the one we might soon see if the nation continues on the path it is currently on in which the thing I love (freedom and responsibility) will be replaced with the things I loathe (tyranny and parasitism).
Who knows, I could be very, very wrong and the future may be filled with MOST the LEOs fighting for justice, protecting the weak citizenry from the corrupt tyrants wherever they are and whenever they seek to oppress, doing the hard things because they are right… but, regrettably, what we have now is the exact opposite (as perfectly demonstrated by the video from Montreal in the other recent post) in which MOST the LEOs continue to circle the wagons, protect the back of the tyrant, ensure that the strong minority never need fear the unarmed majority, do what is easy for the sake of personal safety/ a paycheck/ apathy/ whatever. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to be 100% dead wrong if it meant my kids had a society where things were as they should be instead of as they are now…
With the rise in incarceration for stupider and stupider things (violations of federal law hat most people have never heard of, non violent drug offenses and the like), more and more people will be caught in the net. Until recently, the average criminal was a mental defective, borderline retard with little native intelligence.
As cops bust more and more people, the average IQ and ability of the new class of created “criminal” goes up. With a felony conviction, you take a person’s family, their ability to earn a living and their place in society.
One of the cop sucking posters in an earlier posting called me dangerous. And he is half right. By any measure, I am probably borderline sociopath. All well and good. And I accept that, it’s who I am. But in society, where I have a wife and children and career success, I have a huge stake in that society. This gives me a lot to lose for antisocial behavior. I may really want to plow my SUV into officer friendly as he writes his ticket, but I have way too much to lose. I actually do think cops who kill innocent people should be killed by being doused in gasoline and set on fire. That is not hyperbole. In my perfect world, the Culpeper shooter was investigated quickly, given time to make peace with his maker, then necklaces in the town square as a warning to his peers.
So you convict someone like me on an environmental law violation I did not know existed, throw me in a federal dungeon for a few years, let me fend off prison rape and sadistic guards, then let me out. My family is gone, my wife remarried, my career prospects ruined. What is the chain that binds my inner sociopath now? What keeps me from going to the house of the cop that arrested me for improper draining of the water in my back yard, and showing him and his family my displeasure? Arresting everyone you can get your hands on, for things that should not even be criminal, even if you had intent, is dangerous. That cunt fem-cop who traded the hint she would fuck that 18 year old kid if he bought her pot creates such a potential issue with her entrapment. An intelligent honor’s student is not someone you want to steal future prospects from over a $25 bag of dried plant. Look how many of history’s greatest butchers and martyers were intelligent young men with no hope.
Cast your net wide enough, and you will catch sharks among the tuna. But for now, my wife keeps my less than nice instincts in check, which is a good thing, and a good reason to marry in the first place. But shoot her in a parking lot because she rolls her window up and that pisses you as a brave boy in blue, you just painted a bullseye on your entire extended family. I would not wait for the hush money.
@ Wolf and many others. Yeah we can post a but load of stories. And you did. None from my PD, or even my state. Not sure how 1 cop in Philly charged with murder somehow means I’m a murderer or a bad cop. And it demeans you list when you start out with a cop charged with murder and end with a domestic call. So, cops aren’t human?? We aren’t allowed to have a fight with our spouse’s? I agree that no man, or woman should hit each other, but DV has been blown way out of proportion. The majority of folks arrested for it, spend 1 night in jail. A cop, most likely will lose his job.
And my 7 year old does have a gun. a pink .22! She’s still getting the hang of it, but can hit the target from 30 feet. And as for distrusting cops.. Mom, dad, and step dad are cops. So is her uncle, and 2 grandpa’s. 6 people in her family are cops, how is she not going to want to be a cop to begin with. But yeah, my family is nothing but a corrupt bunch……
@king. No, refering to 1999 when “no snitching” made it’s 1st public appearance. I can’t remember the rappers name, but it was to get people to buy tapes and look cool. Heck I can’t remember the other rapper who told anderson cooper that if he lived next to a serial murderer, he would just move rather than tell the police. How nice. This is the crap cops have to deal with. If your brither killed someone, yeah, I could understand the delema. But we’ve got people who are witnessing violent crimes, who don’t know who the suspects are, and are unwilling to tell us the color of the car that just did the drive’by. Some times we get lucky. We find the car, have a chase, catch the suspects and they got to prison for gun charges, maybe an assault charge if they are stupid enough to confess to it.. but they are back out in a couple years to shoot up the neighborhood again.
I’ll second notjoeking’s original post as good guidance. Teach them well. The police are not your friends. Don’t talk to them. Don’t answer their questions. They WILL try to get you to help them do their job, which is to pin a crime on someone. It’s much easier if you admit something or say something. Zip it!
Kids will also need to feel confident in being able to do this. You can teach them not to talk, but they will probably feel intimidated by police and figure they should say something to appease them.
Oh, and PGOSGT? I see videos of police brutality in New York City, in Washington DC, in Georgia, in Louisana, in Houston, in Oakland, Denver, Phoenix and Tucson, and, yes, I ASSume that it’s going on all over the country. I watched footage of murder of Jose Guerena in Tucson, I watched footage of the murder of Jonathan Ayers in Georgia and the brave cop in Louisiana choking a man to death at a traffic stop. I’ve seen the footage of the tear gas cannister hitting Scott Olsen in the head and the grenade exploding in the midst of the people who rushed to his aid. I’ve personally experienced the sadistic behavior of cops in Yavapai County, Arizona and witnessed it in Reno, Nevada. And I ASSume that it’s going on ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. Maybe it would bring you comfort to see a bunch of goons in riot gear point their guns at your daughter. But most people, all it does is piss them off.
“In 2009 the city violent crime rate in Amsterdam was higher than the violent crime rate in New York by 41.53% and the city property crime rate in Amsterdam was lower than the property crime rate in New York by 50.26%.”
Ayers was only trying to help her….at the motel….after she just bought crack… A man of the cloth tarnish by exposure, he was trying to help her, one lay at a time. I’d love to hear the states defense but it will never see the light of day. $800.000 and a non-disclosure agreement.
“…Barrett told the paper that Ayers had been trying to help kick her drug habit, but later, while facing charges related to both the Ayers case and another incident, she told investigators that Ayers had in previous years paid her for sex. This testimony persuaded the grand jury not to indict the officers who killed Ayers. The pastor may have fled the police, the grand jury concluded, because he feared his reputation would be ruined if his relationship with Barrett were exposed….”
Though I do like how the widows suit reads the badges around the neck are ‘bling’ – nice touch
Scott olsen. That’s a good one.. although I think it was pretty much determined that he was most likely hit with a rock thrown by his fellow protesters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHlHiNEZ1wA
This vid was made a day after the scott olsen incident. A tear gas canister, or flash bang wouldn’t cause the injuries that scott recieved.
As for the others, split second decisions made by a cop on the street during a very stressful situation. Something that every cop deals with from time to time. Some times we are wrong. 330 cops were shot last year, you know any of thier names? How bout 1 of the 1500 that were shot at? You know any of the 54,000 that were assaulted last year? what your witnessing on the youtube video’s are cops and people dealing with highly stressful situations. Many times they go from 0 to 100 in a split second. And the cop on the scene has to make a decision, while we all get to rest comfortably behing a computer, watch the video over and over, and they read about ALL the information that is now available do to the investigation(which the cop has none of) and 2nd guess that split second descision. fair? I guess we just have different ideals of what words mean. Brutality is Saddam gassing his own people. A police officer using excessive force(which happens) is excessive force. not “brutality”. One would think if “brutality” was soo rampant, PDs would be paying out the ass in lawsuits and settlements.. but they aren’t. They only make up 5.4% of civil liability. And that’s COST!!! force suits are the most costly. so the numbers aren’t there. Alot of the brutality is 100% justified, but it doesn’t look good! it’s force!! never looks good.
And if my daughter decided to go out, loot, destroy a bunch of shit, and then ignore lawful orders by the police, I would beat her ass when she got out of jail. Do some more youtubing for the protester videos.. hundreds of them out there showing people absolutely destroying shit. Many look more like riots. and a riot isn’t a protest.
pgosgt, I was referring to po-lice coming into your home and pointing guns at your children because some anonymous phone caller told them you were using drugs. And don’t pretend it doesn’t happen. It happens every single day ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. Oh, and prostitution is another victimless activity, by all means since pretend it’s an excuse to shoot a man in the back and then lie about how your precious life was in danger.
Wow,
I wish we all had the same “citizen’s rights” the corporations have! All the “perks” and none of the responsibilities.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/energy/gas-prices-rise-10-live-on-air-in-los-angeles.html
Oh, and a “private” police force to run interference.
Remember, Rita,
A cop’s most important duty is to come home at the end of his shift. Officer safety is much more important than your life, you mere civilian worm.
And since you are a woman, and cops are involved in way more domestic violence than the average citizen, that makes your non-cop vagina possessing life even less important.
Understood? Don’t make any furtitive movement or roll up your window, or shit’s on!
Your sunday school class can get along without you if I means officer friendly doesn’t risk his precious skin.
“I was referring to po-lice coming into your home and pointing guns at your children because some anonymous phone caller told them you were using drugs”
Sorry but there has to be alot more than that. If not we would be seeing all sorts of lawsuits, and good lawsuits where PD’s would be losing thier asses. We get “my neighbor is smoking weed” calls all the time. knock on the door, if they answer we have a chat, if not, we simply not the address and let the apartment manager know.
But your right. Police can do nothing right and strive to violate as many rights as possible. Every case you’ve brought up, I’m willing to bet you’ve got about 1/2% of the total information out there. And most of that is info learned AFTER the fact that the cop didn’t know. But I guess that’s enough isn’t it.
Its okay PSOSGT, Lakewood doesn’t understand numbers…or facts. He’ll just shout and bitch. About all he’s good for, oh, and some 8th grade come-backs.
Teach kids about cops with examples of utter lack of accountability
http://www.startribune.com/local/135343023.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue
Commonly Known as Dipshit,
That was Rita’s comment, not mine. I was referring to the sure to be an interesting whitewash Culpeper shooting.
Different comments. The comment makers screen name is over the comment, if that helps.
You potheads should think of these settlements and awards has hitting the “Stoner Lottery…”
Man “Common Sense” that just sends your blood boiling don’t it… that these folks are winning in courts…
I guess if I was a mindless drug warrior who thought the ends always justifies the means no matter what, I’d be mad as hell too..
PS, not everyone here is a “pothead”, many are just those of us who have had enough of our rights being violated on a daily basis so you drug warriors can go rescue a bag of dope.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=edb_1330203145
Crowded street… people know who these guys are.. gang violence and the death of a 3 year old. nice..
Commonly thought of as a dumbass,
If you use the phonics you learned, and move your lips and concentrate, you will read in the article that no drugs were found. The cops.failed, and maimed a woman for less than the nothing they were there for.
The settlements for these cases need to come directly from police budgets, and from the officers. Otherwise it is the citizens paying for cop incompetence and malfeasance.
And to Tennessee, if you track the postings, commonly known as cop felator is trying to annoy those of us who believe that throwing someone in a dungeon for dried plants is stupid, whether we use them or not. He is the average cop supporter drone.
His GED is showing. Ignore him unless you enjoy mocking him like I do.
And tenn/lakewood. Cops screwed up and the women rightfully deserves that settlement!! WHY? there are policies, procedure’s and training involved in throwing a flashbang. Depending on they type that is. Your supposed to look, and make sure you toss it a certain way, away from people. Rolling underneath her leg while sitting on the couch. Would like to see the layout of her place, but my guess is that the cop who tossed the grenade screwed up. And only on copblock does a screw-up equal a “bad cop, who never does anything right, and should be in prison for the rest of his life.”
No, they should not have been there in the first place. Executed a violent entry when the warrant called for knocking. Maimed a woman. And nothing was found.
Perfectly executed to make my point about drug warriors. And the cops were never held accountable.
I must just drive you crazy Lakewood, knowing that all your anger and fruitless rantings means nothing. Politicians don’t care, the police don’t care, and the 6 or so people here, don’t really care. Your right, YOUR vote means nothing.
Why don’t you go back to separating clones, let the adults and taxpayers make the decisions. It’s easier that way. You can just pursue other things, like learning the a new skill, maybe write a book or take up a musical instrument.
If you are a prostitute you are scum and deserve to go to prison. If you use cocaine you are scum and deserve to be in prison. If, however, you are a prostitute who trades sexual favors for cocaine, you can have a man executed without due process simply by telling the police that the man paid you to have sex. The sgt wants us to believe that the word of a coke whore somehjow justifies shooting a man in the back in front of a busy convenience store. Gee, I wonder why people don’t respect cops?
The pasted was a dinner and deserved it, he’s in Hell now…
Lol sinner I meant of course – adultery is a sin – maybe he with the Lafewood 4 ??
@COMMON :
I can not believe that you are a real guy and not some website plant to stir the pot.
Furthermore, you never contribute anything of value, why do you waste your time?
You’ve turned these forums into a CHAT ROOM. If you wanna chat, you’d better head to YAHOO and download and install their Messenger program so you can chat there.
I can’t believe Ademo allows this P.O.S. to come here to post NON-SENSE, nothing at all.
A pasted who commis adultery goes to hell does he not? Lakewood will agree.
Lakeland. Maybe I missed it. I didn’t see in the article where they shouldn’t have been there. She was there visting her bf. Doesn’t state whether the suspect lived there or not. In fact this is all it says…”On the night of Feb. 16, 2010, 18 officers were executing a search warrant on the apartment at 5753 Sander Drive based on a tip that narcotics were being sold at the address by someone named David Conley” Not really much to go on. They got a search warrant so they had enough probable cause to show a prosecutor that thier were drugs there, and then a judge to sign it. Just because the police do a search warrant and find no evidence, doesn’t mean that there wasn’t. I suppose if I execute a search warrant for evidence to a reported rape and find no evidence because the suspect destroyed it, I “shouldn’t have been thier in the 1st place ” also???
Search turned up nada. No charges filed. A million dollars in payout. Perhaps IQ tests for cops in that jurisdiction are warranted.
No Common Fucking Sense
“The pasted was a dinner and deserved it, he’s in Hell now…”
Even with a bad touch screen, that makes no sense. You may be having a subarachnoid hemorrhage. Go to the Emergency Room right away.
POSSGT: LETS SEE YOU EXPLAIN THIS AWAY. YOU AND YOUR BUDDY “NO COMMONSENSE:
The Minnesota state legislature is debating a measure that would amplify that state’s “Castle Doctrine” by recognizing that innocent people have no “duty to retreat” in the face of criminal aggression.
This would expand existing legal protection for the defensive use of lethal force against home invaders — including, where appropriate, the government-employed variety. That prospect is causing the local tax eaters’ guild to irrigate their skivvies.
Dennis Flaherty, executive director of the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association, complains that enactment of the measure “could result in dangerous situations for police officers, who regularly enter homes without permission,”( if that’s what it takes to stop this criminal gang, then it’s a good thing) reports Twin Cities ABC affiliate KSTP. “We’re fearful that people will react and shoot and our officers could be mistaken for someone that they believe is trying to jeopardize their safety,” simpers Flaherty. In encounters of the kind Flaherty describes, it would be more accurate to say that citizens would recognize police officers as people who “jeopardize their safety.”
In an interview with Minnesota Public Radio, Flaherty stated the matter even more candidly: “Officer safety is the primary concern that we have about this bill…. [E]very day in the state of Minnesota, we have peace officers that are entering on somebody’s property – often times by stealth so that we have the element of surprise. We are extremely fearful that with this shoot-first-ask-questions-later mentality that this bill establishes, that we will have officers that will not only be in harm’s way, but in fact will be injured or perhaps killed.” (TRY KNOCKING ON THE DAMN DOOR AND IDENTIFYING YOURSELF)
The tacit subtext of Flaherty’s complaint is the assumption that in every encounter between citizens and police, officer safety is the paramount concern, and citizen safety is of negligible importance. This is why, in the words of the Rochester Post-Bulletin, “prosecutors, police chiefs and sheriffs across the state are lining up” to oppose the measure.
When intruders seek to enter a home without permission, observed the Post-Bulletin, “those on the other side of the door don’t always know that it’s a police officer who is entering their residence. They might have been asleep, awakening only when they hear the sounds of a door being kicked in or footsteps on the stairs. Their judgment and awareness might be impaired by drugs, alcohol, mental illness or the belief that an abusive ex-boyfriend or rival gang members many have arrived with bad intentions.”
A likelier scenario involves the even deadlier possibility that the door has been forced open by state-licensed marauders who can kill anyone within the dwelling with impunity.
So the appropriate remedy would be to abolish paramilitary police raids, correct? Not according to the Post-Bulletin’s editorial collective: “We’re with the law enforcement officers on this one…. This [expanded Castle Act] would give people the impression that when their front doorknob is rattled in the middle of the night, they have free license to shoot first and ask questions later. That’s not a good thing.” (<- FOR THE GOV’T GESTAPO)
A license of that kind is "not a good thing" – for anyone other than fully accredited members of the state’s punitive priesthood, of course. Whenever one of the Regime’s costumed enforcers kills a mere Mundane, he can usually avoid criminal prosecution simply by claiming that he "felt threatened" by something – a furtive gesture, a momentary refusal to cooperate, a dirty look, or something else detectable only through the mystical mind-reading facility that comes with a "peace officer" license and a piece of government-issued costume jewelry.
Critics of the Castle Doctrine bill complain that it is unnecessary, since Minnesota state statutes already recognize that a homeowner defending his property against invaders – other than the government-employed variety – has no duty to retreat.
The bill would expand legal recognition of that right to include any circumstance in which an individual’s life is threatened – and this, according to critics, would have disastrous consequences.
"There are just way too many situations that could potentially escalate to the point of using deadly force [in public] where if someone would just walk away, the deadly force could have been avoided," complains Fergus Falls Police Chief Kile Bergen. "That’s our job; we’re supposed to go in and apprehend these people. You as a citizen, that’s not your responsibility. It might be to protect yourself, but it’s not your job to rid the world of dangerous people." <-(GOV’T GESTAPO)
Chief Bergen is particularly offended by the fact that the bill would establish a "reasonable individual" test for the use of deadly force. Although Bergen whines that this would give citizens "more authority than a police officer has to use deadly force," that provision would actually apply a standard similar to as the "reasonable officer" test.
The measure also criminalizes the act of disarming citizens unless this is done pursuant to a lawful arrest — just as the state’s "resisting and obstructing" statute can be used to prosecute a citizen who disarms a police officer.
If Chief Bergen actually thinks his job has something to do with "rid[ding] the world of dangerous people," he’s not only unqualified to be a peace officer, he’s a tragically deluded soul who should be kept away from sharp objects. More telling still is his perception that everyday life is cluttered with situations pregnant with potential gunplay.
That’s how police are trained to perceive the world: They see the public as an undifferentiated mass of menace, an all-encompassing threat to that most important of all human considerations, "officer safety." This is why they are prepared to employ potentially lethal force at the first sign of non-cooperation, and escalate the encounter until the Mundane either submits or is killed. They are prepared to shoot first in the serene confidence that the questions asked later will be intended to exonerate the officer.
Bergen’s objections – which are quite representative of the police union’s opposition to enhanced Castle Doctrine protections – assume that citizens who take responsibility for protecting themselves will start thinking and behaving like cops.
No, this isn’t quite accurate: Even in the most extravagant worst-case scenario, the expanded Castle Law wouldn’t be taken as a general license for citizens to conduct home invasion raids, like the December 2007 police assault on the home of Minneapolis resident Vang Khang.
It was after midnight when Khang’s wife, Yee Moua, heard the sound of a window shattering, followed by the quiet murmur of male voices. She frantically dialed 911 to summon the police. When the intruders came upstairs, Vang fired a shotgun at them, provoking a brief burst of return fire. Thankfully, nobody was injured, although some of the officers reported trivial shrapnel damage to their body armor.
It was after the exchange of gunfire that the couple learned the invaders were the local SWAT team, which had been sent to the wrong address.
The City apologized for the unjustified raid – and then presented eight SWAT officers with commendations for "perform[ing] very bravely under gunfire."
According to Police Chief Tim Dolan, "the officers didn’t make any mistakes." This would mean that they intended to raid the wrong house and expose innocent children to gunfire.
Apparently, that’s the stuff of which contemporary heroism is made.
"The easy decision would have been to retreat under covering fire," Dolan declared. "The team did not take the easy way out. This is a perfect example of a situation that could have gone horribly wrong, but did not because of the professionalism with which it was handled."
Note how Dolan conferred the commendations on the SWAT team for refusing to retreat when the situation demanded that they do so. It was their refusal to "walk away" that Dolan considered a praiseworthy display of professionalism.
How often do employees of privately owned businesses receive professional commendations after completely messing up?
Are awards of that sort routinely handed out to private employees whose incompetence endangers innocent lives, and results in extensive damage to private property?
More to the point: Would a private security company hand out bonuses and promotions to employees who terrorized an innocent family and perforated their home with automatic weapons fire? Of course not: Only employees of the State’s coercion cartel are permitted to behave that way.
Chief Dolan, not surprisingly, opposes the "Castle Doctrine." This is because "lessening the burden" on citizens who confront intruders would mean they might be "more willing to take shots at the people who are behind that door" – just as Vang Khang did the night Dolan’s Stormtroopers invaded his home without a warrant or just cause.
The Castle Doctrine "isn’t good for public safety," insists
Dolan, who – like most of those in his profession – appears to believe that the police are only part of the population worth protecting.
@POSSGT: JUST FYI, my 4 year old grandson has his first sniper rifle I gave him. His father will teach him very well how to use it. And when I die, he will get both of my .45′s which his father will again teach him very well how to use.
I feel very sorry for your 7 year old. Being raised by part of the Biggest Street Gang in America is no way for a child to grow up to be a decent citizen. All she will learn is when one of her family kills somebody for having a hangnail, they will still come home and face no responsibility for killing as person because the Blue Curtain will cover them from scrutiny exactly like the home invasion in the article above. You know, the one where the Gestapo gets a commendation for breaking into the wrong house and shooting it up.
You must be so very proud to be part of all of this.
AGAIN I SAY TO ALL: “COPS ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND”
I’m all for the castle doctrine, but it doesn’t apply if you are shooting at LEO’s who are serving a search warrant or entering your house for a lawful reason.
@ Lurker. Ask Jose, well you will have to ask the SWAT team actually.
@ Fakewood. Yes sadly, my iphone typing needs improvement. But one cannot deny the man of the cloth is having coffee with the Lakewood 4. Guess he should have stopped his car, oh well, sinners go to hell right, they just helped him get there.
I like how smart Fakewood talks. It’s so fancy. I would really like to hear some more comparisons between hoplites and the police. Just jealous perhaps, the police overall are more respected then you. You are ‘little people’ in sum, doubtful you even vote. But please continue to rant, I laugh everytime.
Poor Fakewood and Wolf, maybe Andy, with their combined action almost nothing will get done. You must admit, for all your talk and ranting, you change othing. The police ignore you, your neighbors could careless, politicians and community reps think you’re looney. A tiny minority. Please start your rebellion, I can’t wait to see it on the news.
“…amazing, no one said nazi yet…”
LOL,,,RIGHT
“…amazing, no one said nazi yet…”
LOL,,,RIGHT..
Lurker,
So if they are at the wrong address, executing a no knock warrant after midnight, how do you distinguish that from a home invasion when the glass is breaking.
Should cops be held to a minimum reading comprehension level?
@Dan,
Actually, to use the term “nazi” would be an insult to nazis. Even during the war, the allies slaughtered many more than they did. Hell, Morganthau/Eisenhower/Churchill killed over 500,000 in Dresden alone in 72 hours!. The CIA has been “credited” with +/- six million deaths since Eisenhower sent ‘em into Iran in ’53 to topple their indigenous Democracy for British/U.S. corporations. Eisenhower the war criminal, murdered 1.7 million between ’45 and ’50.
@ Wolf. we have that now in my state. Doesn’t seem to be an issue.
Wolf: I am confused by your double standard. In your comment at 1:49 am (I’ll call it the “world according to wolf”. And your follow-up comment at 2:07am. Sifting through a lot of junk in “the world according to wolf” imam struck by your comment about the perception that “situations are pregnant with potential gun play. That line jumped out at me. Especially when contrasted against your 2:07 comment about teaching your grandson to be a sniper and to hate and kill the police? Do even you not see the contradiction in that?
But putting that aside. I am in favor of the castle doctrine as well as an armed populace. My fear is that people will try and expand that from their castle, to your castle, to bullies in the school yard to whatever. “Gun play” is very dangerous. Lots of times there isn’t any chance to talk about it later. I would also caution that those who engage in escalated self protection of their property will be opening themselves up to being scrutinized like the police are (and they won’t have the “blue wall” to hide behind. Come on, now that’s funny)
To sum, be careful. It’s a dangerous game. And Wolf, don’t get “pregnant”
@t: If you took the time to read instead of trying to put words in someone else’s mouth you would have seen that it was not I but a cop who made the statement.
Next, you fucking idiot. NOWHERE in my post did I say I would teach my grandson to kill police. This would only be done in self defense. You seem to have a wanton desire to try and humiliate my statements instead of acting as though you have any common sense.
Only a liberal gun control freak would take something like the Castle Doctrine and formulate a scenerio of The Old West and its gunslingers. With the exception of liberal scabs like you, the conservative gun owning populace is comprised of responsible people who do, unlike you, know which end of the gun the bullet comes out.
Again, only a liberal would deny the Thin Blue Line that protects cops from any real scrutiny. (They are prepared to shoot first in the serene confidence that the questions asked later will be intended to exonerate the officer.)
Again, you show your ass telling me not to get pregnant. Only a nanny state liberal is going to worry if I get knocked up and will whine over that statement from me because you think you have to interfere within the boundaries of my lifestyle.
So just for your safety, you rush down to the poLICE station and turn in any firearm you have and tell the cops you are just not smart enough to own one and that you want a cop in your pocket at all times because there are bad bad conservatives on the street..
@nocommonsense: Typical liberal. “Can’t wait to see it on the news” However, if you have ever noticed, it seems to be liberals who are on the news, you know, Occupiers, Giffords shooter, Gunrunning Holder, Faggot Bawney Fwank, pervert Anthony Weiner, and the list goes on.
That being said, it will not be conservatives who fire the first shot, but by damn, IT WILL BE CONSERVATIVES WHO FIRE THE LAST SHOT!!!
So you just live in your little liberal world and had probably better follow the advice I gave T as far as what to do with your firearms. You will be so much safer with a cop in your pocket.. Just ask any lib…
Even though I am no liberal, the 2nd Amendment is vital as is the Castle Doctrine. I am not sure of the confusion on your part of my views of either, I would have read your comment but I fell asleep. I just say “meh” and call it good to your comment.
Have a good day.
Wolf: wow again. Are you kidding? You constantly advocate violence, so stick that stupid shit in your ass. And just because I’m not a believer in the silly ass sovereign citizen movement, I bet anyone who knows me would laugh that you think I’m a liberal.
But since you either can’t comprehend or chose not to, re-read the second paragraph. Looks pretty clear out my views on guns and self protection. Idiot. It’s folks that have tempers like yours that worry me. You’ll be the guy to stick his nose into something that doesn’t concern him and that’s where problems come from. You’ll shoot someone (which you clearly advocate and, regardless of what you say, are even teaching generations of wolfie’s to do). As for the “blue wall”, I am proud that investigations that I’ve been involved in have resulted in several officers and 1 former chief’s certifications being yanked. I hide behind no one. If you eased up on the caffeine a little you would see by even the most cursory look around this site the cops are being held accountable. Idiot.
And damn dude, the pregnant thing was just humor from your ridiculous post about “pregnant situations. Lighten up ass.
It’s things like this that make my heart swell with pride in this, the Fascist States of America.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/government-corruption/the-invisible-american-workforce.html
I can understand why cops so vigorously run interference for a Democratic Republic such as this.
(Sarcasm)
@t, Well since I am fortunate enough to not know you, it is your rhetoric of how I am a danger to society because I DO believe in the sovereignty of myself and the state I live in. Fuck the Feds and all of their Gestapo Agents.
What you are too stupid to realize or are a party to is: We Are Living in 1930′s Germany and you have chosen to put yourself on the wrong side of history. Just as the Gestapo of Hitler were taken out, so will the Gestapo of Obama.
I have no bone to pick with anyone except those who would try to infringe on my privacy and my space. I don’t give a fuck about the shiny jewelry you are given to wear, YOUR RIGHTS STOP WHERE MINE START. That includes any violation on your part of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 10th, and 14th Amendments.
You took an oath to PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, against all enemies, foreign or domestic. Remember those words??? Or did you take your oath on the koran like your mulatto in chief???
Once you assholes start upholding your oath as opposed to your promise to defend the “State” against patriots, then maybe you and your kind could garner some respect. Until then, make your claim you are a conservative as that means you are a fucking liar just like the rest of your liberal assholes are.
TO THE REST OF YOU WHO READ THIS: REMEMBER, COPS ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND. THEY ARE THE JACKBOOTS OF THE STATE…
Wolf: All I can say is …..no. Dress it up as you may, we’re not the Nazi’s. We don’t just walk up to people demanding “papers” (and before you start, me walking up to someone doing something unusual or suspicious and identifing them, isn’t the same thing). And let me tell you brother, if you are getting that much attention from the feds, there’s a reason, it ain’t just because they don’t have anything else to do. But that’s not me. I’m a local guy. By your logic and beliefs, you should be on my side.
As for your continued lunacy about my oath to defend the constitution, yeah, I remember it. But again your misunderstanding is that just because I don’t do what you want or think I should, doesn’t mean that I’m not doing what I should. Because YOUR RIGHTS DON’T ALWAYS OUTWEIGH EVERYONE ELSE’S !!! Every comment you post shows that you can’t get past that. And that your problem to deal with. I won’t even slow down when dealing with folks who act like that. I frequently openly tell them “no”. I think I’ve told you before that I work to keep the peace and promote safety. If your actions, and the exercising of “your rights” conflictwith that, so be it. We’ll try to work it out. But if your feelings get hurt, I really don’t care. It’s not personal, just business.
A friend once sent me this:
“If you learn only one thing from me, learn this: Government is NOT EVER your friend; it’s motives are ALWAYS suspect. Whatever the government wants to do there’s ALWAYS an ulterior motive. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, N E V E R TRUST THE GOVERNMENT!” — H.E. Morton (postmaster, tax assessor, township committeeman, circa 1952) to his 10 year old grandson
If the police saw themselves as peacekeepers, maybe it would be appropriate to teach children that the police are their friends. But the police DO NOT see themselves a keepers of the peace, but instead think of themselves as law enforcers (LEOs). They don’t get high-fives down at the cop shop for helping little old ladies across the street, but they do for busting some kid for smoking a joint.
As others have pointed out here, the police are often out of control, and there are seldom any consequences for their actions, some of which are just bad judgment, while others are flat out unlawful. They see the citizens as the enemy. Such people are dangerous.
If a person wants to be a cop, chances are that person is psychologically unfit for the job. He or she is likely the kind of person who gets off on bullying others.
A parent would be remiss not to warn their children of potential dangers. A police officer is one of the most dangerous persons a citizen — child or adult — will face. They are licensed to lie, and can and will use anything you say against you. They operate on the assumption that you are a liar and a criminal. They can kill you with impunity.
If you do not warn you child about the police, you are an unfit parent.
@ cogitator: Great post.
@ pgosgt: Say you’re gassing up at the local mini-mart. Your daughter has gone inside, to get a soda, use the restroom, whatever. Two plain-clothes thugs open fire at a man driving away in a car. Where’s your daughter? Do you think her little gun is going to protect her?
“Excessive force”, by the way, means using any force “in excess” (hence the name) of what is absolutely necessary to insure that a suspect doesn’t escape. It’s illegal. In other words, it’s a crime, which you seem to believe is just fine for people who call themselves “law enforcement officers” to commit on a daily basis. Beating, shooting, choking, grenade-throwing, sticking guns in our children’s faces just to scare us, zip-tying hands, making us stand outside in our underwear in the snow — that’s brutality. Oh, you’re a lot nicer than Saddam Hussein. I guess if I lived in Iraq, that might be worth something. But I don’t, and the fact that the best you can do is compare yourself to Saddam Hussein, well, that’s worth something, too.
Rita: I’m not trying to insult you but do you live a really sheltered life? I ask only because yourapproach to things and your statement seems niave. As way of example let’s look at the scene the you painted above. (As a former undercover detective). Let’s say the bad guy in the car the the cops are shooting at just robbed or murdered the clerk. Happens everyday. Now what if the clerk was your daughter? Let’s any he gets away, but because he didn’t get enough money for his meth habit, decides to burglarize a house later that night and choices yours? And you get assaulted or killed just because you where home? Cops still the bad guys? You can “what if” all day and either side can paint pictures that make their point.
But have you ever tried to fight with that meth head? Or the drunk? Or the mad husband? Or the 15 year old female runaway that doesn’t want to go (these are the roughest). You make it sound so antiseptic and clean. That’s not how it works. People around here (this site) scream when a teaser gets used. Or pepper spray. Or a baton. Or more than one officer. But guess what. People fight. A lot. The use of the earlier mentioned tools should end the fight sooner, and hopefully with less injury. 1on1 fist fights are bad for all. The use of multiple officers LESSENS injures. The police aren’t just walking along, assaulting people on park benches. The types of conflicts as you describe are brought on by the free will choices of the “citizen”. The officers react to that. And yes, I know, there are officers out there that do it wrong and go way more than they should.
It’s clear that you don’t like the police. Got it. But at least have enough sense to be honest.