Cop says he would pepper spray, beat, or tase you for carrying your lunch around

Published On December 23, 2010 | By Dr. Q | Articles

If you read Carlos Miller’s Photography is Not a Crime blog (and you should), you might be familiar with “Johnny Law.” Johnny is a regular in Carlos’s comment section and claims to be a police officer. He constantly posts the most amazingly asinine excuses imaginable for all kinds of criminal behavior committed by police officers. For instance, in one discussion I had with him, he actually defended Salvatore Rivieri, the former Baltimore officer who attacked and threatened to murder a fourteen-year-old skateboarder for calling him “dude.” According to Johnny, Rivieri’s behavior was “very bad form,” but was not illegal. You can see that exchange in the comment section of this article.

Anyway, I bring up Johnny because earlier today he made one of the most flabbergasting comments I have ever read in all my time on the internet. One commenter posed this hypothetical to Johnny:

If you were a patroling police officer in Riverside, California, would you enforce the local law that states that “One may not carry a lunch down the street between 11 and 1 o’clock.”?

– Norwegian Chap, comment under Carlos Miller, “Los Angeles Teen Incarcerated Seven Months for Videotaping Cop” (Dec. 22, 2010), Photography is Not a Crime

Here is his response:

Probably not…

However if I did decide to enforce the lunch law and the person resisted, I would escalate my force until I got that person under control. If this meant moving up the use of force ladder to pepper spray, taser, or baton, then so be it.

– Johnny Law, comment under Carlos Miller, “Los Angeles Teen Incarcerated Seven Months for Videotaping Cop” (Dec. 22, 2010), Photography is Not a Crime

Johnny just claimed that he is willing to use brutal violence to “control” anyone who “resists” his attempts to enforce a so-called “law” that criminalizes the possession of lunch.

Seriously.

You can invoke Godwin’s law all you want, but I feel absolutely and totally justified calling Johnny what he is: a Nazi thug. If Johnny is actually a cop and actually believes what he wrote, then I think it’s clear that he’s a danger to any people who happen to be around him.

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  • Rich K

    Some of my favorite Johnny Law quotes!

    “The kid is the one who decided to be uncooperative. He turned a simple citation into a major incident. The officer was simply doing her job and yet you want to call her a thug.”

    “Be rational and place a little blame on the person breaking the law and being uncooperative with the police.” (I wonder how slaves, women fighting for the right to vote, or victims of Jim Crow laws would react to that)

    “If the suspect was uncooperative then the force used was necessary. It makes no sense to back off once you are dealing with a suspect.”

    “Sorry but police officers have no legal duty to retreat from an uncooperative subject.” (But they are legally justified in not protecting you AT ALL. Note the use of the word “subject”.)

    “Once again, the reason for the stop is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that the subject was uncooperative and resisted the officer.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/incaseyoumissedit Frank

    Godwin’s law is about the likelihood of a Nazi/Hitler reference coming up in a discussion. It doesn’t mean a particular reference is not appropriate or relevant. In fact, Godwin himself has stated on numerous occassions that yelling “Godwin’s Law” doesn’t replace an actual argument.

  • Ogre

    Sadly, I believe the view of “Johnny Law” is the view of the vast majority of all policemen in America today: They are “just doing their job,” and you must obey all their orders at all times. Simple disobedience, or even disrespect will get force used against you, period.

  • Jenn

    @Frank – THANK YOU THANK YOU for clarifying that…. I get so frustrated when people invoke Godwin’s law as if it is an argument! It’s like – so what?! Do you have an argument to respond with or not?!

  • Kurt

    Don’t feed the trolls! That is the first rule of the intertubes. “Johnny Law” is probably thirteen years old and absolutely loving all of the attention he/she is getting. If “Johnny Law” is what he claims to be, then no amount of reasoning will change him. He is what he is.
    Try this: Ask him what he was doing when Reagan was shot. He will probably not know what you are talking about!

  • Cuntess

    This Johnny Law fellow appears to be a troll. I’m also unsure exactly why you consider him a Nazi, he doesn’t seem like a national socialist exactly. Fascist, yes, but Nazi seems a tad inaccurate really.

  • Rich

    Johny is simply stating how it is. IF something is illegal in a democracy then its his job is to enforce it. IF he issues a ticket and then the person escalates the situation then he takes the next level. He is simply stating the truth of how police procedure works. Procedure our democracy has decided is acceptable. WE can not blame the police. That is simply cowardly, its like the fact that the whole German people blamed everything on a few Nazis. Its a cop-out. Every German was happy to have that NAZI on that wall defending them.SICK yes but true.
    They were all guilty. The police are a reflection of US, the people. like it or not that’s just the way it is. They are trained by us, and Johny Law is telling us, what the manual WE gave him says for him to do.
    Is it insane that a person can be thrown in a cell and have his life destroyed because of a plant YES YES YES. That is because our society is insane. The police are the ARM the people are the brain. Blaming HIM is just ridiculous.

  • Dr. Q

    Rich, the real cowardly cop-out is the “the law is the law”/”I’m just doing my job” Nuremberg Defense that you’re putting forth.

    Collective groupings of people are not and cannot possibly be responsible for anything; it is individuals who are responsible for their own actions. If an American — let’s call him Joe — commits murder, then “America” hasn’t murdered anyone. I haven’t murdered anyone. You haven’t murdered anyone. Only Joe has murdered someone, and he bears all the responsibility for it.

    I’m not responsible for thugs like Johnny beating and electrocuting people because they “resist” his attempts to stop them from eating lunch just because I live in the United States. Only Johnny is responsible for that.

    Furthermore, for you to claim that “every German” was responsible for Nazi crimes is just downright slanderous. Many Germans heroically resisted the Nazis and you’re doing them a real disservice by lumping them in with the murderers who manned Auschwitz.

  • Rich

    And you are making the same silly argument when you compare the American police force to Nazis
    the Truth lies somewhere in the middle. WE must take responsibility for making outragous laws and electing politicians who pander to the wim of whatever the media is making the people afraid of today to sell soap. WE elect these people. Hitler was loved by the German people Mein Kampf was there for all to read for years. Of course there were a few brave Germans,and they were of course murdered by other Germans. The MORAL German killed Jews, IS it moral to me NO, before you even go there. TO a Moral German, he actually believed, from the bottom of his heart, in the deepest recesses of his soul, that pulling on the feet of hanging baby Jews, was the right and godly thing to do. Anti semetism was a part of the culture for hundreds of years. YES that is how sick that society had gotten. That is not slanderous that is the truth and the Germans know it.

    Am I responsible for putting my morals ahead of my job YOU are dam right about that. HOWEVER society determines what is moral and we teach our children what is moral.
    Hunting and killing other humans is perfectly moral in some societies.
    WE as a society have said that Ganja smokers are depraved criminals and we teach our children that THE MORAL thing to do is throw them in jail.Destroy there lives. That is the moral thing to do from someones point of view.
    INSANE YOUR DAM RIGHT.
    This whole Nuremberg defense?
    A lion who rips the guts out of a sheep is being a perfectly moral lion. Its only immoral from the sheep’s point of view.
    to bury a women up to her neck and stone her to death is moral, and legal in Iran. It makes me sick. TO them its moral.
    TO blame the police for doing what is moral without looking at the society that the police have been raised in, is not taking into account the REALITY of the situation.
    Im sorry that you are a sheep amongst lions. OR a lion amongst sheep. IM sorry that society tells cops to do what they are doing, and IM sorry that the cops believe from the bottom of there hearts that what they are doing is moral.
    that is the reality of the society you live in. We don’t burn witches anymore, IM sorry you are ahead of your time.
    I suggest some meditation read the Bagdavad Gita. DO the next right thing try and play the game on the field of this life in a world of 7 billion views other then yours. Each of us lives in a world of 7 billion other viewpoints. Moral just keeps on changing,
    SO thanks for being a visionary but don’t take it personal.
    .

  • Rich

    Mongol General: Hao! Dai ye! We won again! This is good, but what is best in life?
    Mongol: The open steppe, fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
    Mongol General: Wrong! Conan! What is best in life?
    Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
    Mongol General: That is good! That is good.

    And a Good Viking threw babies in the air and caught them on there swords.

    YOU see my friend as long as its us verses them there will always be someone we want to throw in the air and catch with our swords.

  • RANDRAND

    TO ALL MEMBERS OF THIS BLOG-THE INFAMOUS “JOHNNY LAW” IS NO COP-PROBABLY ONLY A DIM-WHITTED GUARD, IF EVEN STILL EMPLOYED-AND KEYBOARD MASTURBATES ALL OVER THE INTERNET LIKE AN “UNDER-THE-BRIDGE-TROLL, ON NEAELY ANY SUBJECT FROM BETTY CROCKER COOKIES, TO STATISTICS AND OPINIONS THAT EVEN G.W. BUSH WOULD HAVE SAID ,”WHAAAAAAAH?!

  • RANDRAND

    FURTHER- I AM A MARXIST REVOLUTIONARY-AND QUITE DOGMATIC ABOUT THE COMING REVOLUTION IN AMERICA—BUT THIS “JOHNNYLAW” IS ALWAYS “ONE INGREDIENT SHORT OF “HALF-BAKED”” WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECURITY. HE “ALMOST” SOUNDS LIKE HE IS ABOUT TO MAKE A REAL CONTRIBUTION POINT WISE- THEN DRIBBLES INTO THE GUTTER OF ANGER AND ABSURDITY-HE IS PROBABLY A FIRED GUARD-DUE TO ACTING OUT IN DUTY-DRIBBLING AFAR FROM APPOINTED DUTIES. I HAVE READ ENOUGH OF HIS FOOLISH CRAP OVER THE YEARS TO FILL A BATTLESHIP-AND HE KNOWS I CAN READ HIS TRUE PROFILE LIKE A BOOK!