Search and Destroy: Utah SWAT team murders drug suspect on video

Published On January 16, 2011 | By Dr. Q | Articles

On September 16th of last year, the Weber Morgan Narcotics Strike Force conducted a nighttime “no knock” paramilitary-style drug raid on the home of Todd Blair, a suspected methamphetamine dealer living in Roy, Utah. Within seconds of the raid’s commencement, Blair was dead. He had been shot three times by Sgt. Troy Burnett.

Todd Blair (Source: Standard-Examiner)

As with virtually all cases of police-involved violence, internet authoritarians are scraping at the bottom of the barrel looking for reasons to blame Mr. Blair for his own death.

If any of my family did such a stupid a#% move I suspect the outcome would be the same. But my family does not golf i guess they have a pretty good chance of survival. If the police kick in there door I hope they have the sense to not attack with large object. And as far as proud I never said proud I said the officer made it home to his family. And if they are dumb enough to try and attack 5 officers. They left him no choice.

— kizzie, comment under “Police video shows fatal Roy shooting” (Nov. 19th, 2010), Standard-Examiner

He didn’t die beacause of the drugs he died because he was stupid enough to come at an officer with a weapon. remember he chose his fate. he could have followed commads and been alive today. Shame on you Blair. you put yourself and officers in dager shame on you. if you wanted to die you should have manned up and did it yourself. shame on you coward

— truthcometh, comment under “Police video shows fatal Roy shooting” (Nov. 19th, 2010), Standard-Examiner

The police officers will always take precautions to protect their own lives because there are plenty of criminals who will try to kill a cop in a raid. The fact that this man was killed is unfortunate, but he brought it on himself with his irresponsible criminal behavior.

— Snowcat2, comment under “Police video shows how drug raid turned deadly” (Dec. 23rd, 2010), Salt Lake Tribune

Don’t get hopped up on meth and go after cops with a golf club and your chances of not getting shot will increase dramatically.

— Tubal, comment under “Police video shows how drug raid turned deadly” (Dec. 23rd, 2010), Salt Lake Tribune

If the cops break down your door and you’re holding something metal in your hand, well your chances of getting shot are pretty high. I’m sorry for anyone to lose a loved one this way but fighting the meth problem is a priority.

— J_Lunchbucket, comment under “Police video shows how drug raid turned deadly” (Dec. 23rd, 2010), Salt Lake Tribune

The thrust of these comments is that (1) it was okay for the police to raid Mr. Blair’s home because they suspected him of selling meth and once the police initiated the raid, it was okay for them to shoot Blair because (2) he knew the people in his home were police and (3) he was menacing them with a golf club.

Claim #1 — that it was fine for the police to raid Mr. Blair’s home because he was suspected of using/selling meth — is false. For what it’s worth, it does seem likely that Mr. Blair used meth, although there is no evidence that he was selling. According to his mother, Arlean Blair, “I know that he used [meth]… but he was not a drug dealer. A drug dealer has lots of money and nice things. If you looked in his house, he had nothing. He gave everything away to people who were having trouble.” Police have admitted that they never actually witnessed Blair selling any meth. The raid uncovered a small amount of cannabis and a small vial which the police claim contains meth. If Blair was selling drugs, he was clearly no Pablo Escobar. But even if Blair was a big time drug dealer, there’s still no reason for the police to have raided his home. I have no problem with people arguing that meth is unhealthy, but this does not change the fact that buying, selling, and using meth are all victimless actions. Even if meth truly is dangerous and even if it has been declared “illegal” by so-called “legislators,” there are no moral grounds for treating possession of meth as a crime. Individuals should be free to make their own decisions — even if they are poor ones — about what drugs to ingest just like they should be allowed to make their own decisions about what food to eat.

Furthermore, as I’ve pointed out in the past there are literally millions of violent crimes and property crimes that go unsolved every single year in the United States — crimes with actual suffering, human victims. Even if we set aside the issue of whether or not it’s okay to treat victimless activities as crimes, it’s clearly an outrage for the police to be investing any of their resources in pursuing nonviolent drug offenders, let alone the substantial resources it takes to maintain a SWAT team, when so many violent crimes and property crimes are going unsolved.

Claim #2 — that Blair knew the men raiding his home were police — is almost certainly false. If you actually watch the video, you will see that while the police announced their presence by yelling “Police! Search warrant!” multiple times, they broke Blair’s door down a mere two seconds after the first announcement — before any human being could reasonably be expected to have fully processed the announcement and reacted to it. And that’s assuming that any occupants actually heard the announcement and could understand it which is not a safe assumption. After police entered Blair’s home, they found him on the other side of the room holding a golf club and Sgt. Troy Burnett (the first officer to enter) immediately shot him three times without any sort of warning. You can actually hear one officer start to tell Blair to get on the ground, but Blair was dead before the officer could even finish the sentence.

Police inside Blair's home (Source: Standard-Examiner)

Chances are that Blair had no idea that the men in black who were breaking into his home in the middle of the night were police. Even ignoring the fact that the police failed to announce their presence in a meaningful way, it’s simply implausible that anyone in his right mind would actually attack a huge group of armed police officers storming his home with a golf club unless he thought that they were burglars. Blair wouldn’t be the first person to make this mistake. Radley Balko’s book Overkill documents numerous cases in which people attempted to defend themselves from home invaders who turned out to be police.

Claim #3 — that Blair was menacing the police with a golf club — is true. But so what? When you examine all the facts about this raid, you get the impression that the police were trying to provoke Mr. Blair into a violent reaction. Every action the police took — conducting the raid at night, dressing in black, failing to announce their presence, entering the home with guns drawn, etc. — seems like it was expressly chosen for the purpose of giving Mr. Blair the impression that he was the subject of an armed robbery. Even if the police had a legitimate reason to search Mr. Blair’s home, there was nothing reasonable about the way they conducted the search. The police chose to turn a suspected nonviolent, victimless “crime” into a violent confrontation, not Mr. Blair, so it’s ludicrous for them to claim that the shooting was justified by self-defense or exigency. The only person involved in the raid whose actions could rightfully be described as self-defense is Mr. Blair with his golf club.

Unsurprisingly, the cold-blooded murder of Todd Blair was found to be “justified” by the local DA which means that the dangerous murderers responsible for planning and conducting the raid (including the officer who shot Blair) are free to continue conducting these ultra-violent raids on nonviolent people with total impunity. Blair’s family is planning a lawsuit, but if they win any damages, the money will come from innocent taxpayers rather than the bloodsuckers responsible for Blair’s death. Luckily it seems that the family’s main priority with respect to the lawsuit is simply to force the Weber Morgan Narcotics Strike Force to reform its policies so as to avoid a repeat of the raid on Blair’s home. “This is not about money,” said Tauna Blair Doesberg, Todd Blair’s younger sister. “If it’s about money, it feels vindictive and dirty. I just don’t want this to happen to anyone else.”

I wish the Blair family the best of luck with their lawsuit, but I must point out that even if they succeed, people will still be victimized by over-the-top drug raids like the one that left Blair dead. The ultra-violent, “no knock” drug raids utilized by the Weber Morgan Narcotics Strike Force are not an phenomenon specific to Utah. In fact,  they are part of a nationwide trend of paramilitary-style policing that has been occurring rapidly over the past few decades. As Radley Balko details in his book Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Policing in America (mentioned earlier), paramilitary police or SWAT teams were first created decades ago to deal with violent crises like bank robberies and hostage situations, however, they quickly became used for conducting routine police procedures like search and arrest warrants. Now, tens of thousands of SWAT deployments occur every year, a sizable portion of which are search warrants for suspected nonviolent drug offenses. Dozen of people have been terrorized, injured, and killed in unnecessary SWAT raids, many of them innocent of any crime (including fake “drug crimes”). In fact, in countless cases, police have actually raided incorrect addresses and ended up terrorizing and even killing people who were never suspected of any crime whatsoever. Many of these cases are tracked on this interactive map from the Cato Institute.

You might remember that just last year, a video was released depicting Columbia, MO  SWAT swarming a home at night, shooting the occupying family’s two dogs thereby endangering the lives of the home’s occupants (including children), then holding them at gunpoint — all over a tiny amount of cannabis. Another video, released just a few days ago, depicts the same SWAT team raiding another home and terrorizing the family inside over drugs. Just recently, a SWAT team in Framingham, MA killed an innocent, 68-year-old bystander while conducting a drug raid. The bottom line is that as long as these raids continue, innocent people are going to be terrorized, injured, and killed. All the authoritarians who make excuses for the police who murdered Todd Blair would do well to consider that the same thing could happen to them too.



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Dr. Q is a police accountability activist who resides in Massachusetts. He is the founder and editor of Massachusetts Cop Block. He is also the creator of the War on Cameras Map. You can connect with him on Twitter.
  • Jacob

    Even if armed intruders announce themselves as police, doesn’t mean that they are. It’s extremely common in violent home invasions for the aggressors to announce themselves as police while making entry. This makes it easier for criminals to take the residence without resistance, and sometimes the occupants will even let them in. These cops are just adrenaline junkies, if they really wanted him in jail, they should have just picked him up when he goes out to get groceries. (Not that I even think the victim in this case should be in jail)

  • Robert Shack

    Your claims are all false.

    #1 – The obtaining of a search warrant was the result of months long investigation into Todd. They had enough evidence to convince a judge that the suspected activity was happening. The Judge signed the warrant.
    Your claim, while interesting, doesn’t fit the facts, unless you believe that the whole criminal justice system is corrupt, in which case, you have a lot more information to provide than just your opinion on this subject.
    Like, what do you have to prove the investigation was flawed or fixed? What do you have to prove the judge is corrupt or negligent in the performance of his duties and the issuance of the search warrant? etc.
    Come back when you have some real evidence of wrong-doing, not just your opinion.

    #2 – The police announced their presence several times. It takes 3 seconds for a brain to realize what is going on, and react. Remember your driving exam?
    The police are trained for all kinds of scenarios, including the Tueller Drill. Look it up.
    The police had announced themselves, one perceived a real threat, reacted to his training, and the end result is, one less drug dealer/user on the streets.

    #3 – The only way you could believe that a golf club is not a real threat to police is if you don’t understand what a steel weight on the end of a long stick can do to someone. It can fracture skulls, kill, break bones, maim, etc.
    Why would you ask law enforcement to suffer these injuries? Oh, wait, I know…
    YOU aren’t Law Enforcement… that means YOU can ask them to take a bullet and it doesn’t affect you any…
    Tell you what. Pull your pansy self out of the arm chair and go sign up for active police duty. Finish their training, and put your life on the line. Let’s see how many golf clubs you take to the head before you shoot back…

  • http://www.twitter.com/MANOMACHINE Captain

    5 paramilitary armoured cops with guns vs 1 guy with a golf club !!!!! it’s self evident !!! and you still wonder why so many hate the USA ? again , self evident !! sorry but the truth hurts & lies kill

  • Chris Mallory

    Robert, wipe your chin, that badge fluffing can get messy.

    1) Judges routinely sign any and all warrants put in front of them. The “War on (some) Drugs” has corrupted the entire justice system.

    2) They kicked down this guy’s door in the middle of the night. Shock and surprise can take more than 3 seconds to be over come. The only proper way to do it would be for them to knock and wait to be let in. Oh, he might destroy evidence! But isn’t that the whole aim, to get the drugs off the street? But that doesn’t get them the headlines and increased budgets.

    3) These thugs are wearing helmets and flack jackets. Yeah, they can actually wait to see if they are being attacked. Even if they are, they are paid the big bucks, given platinum benefits, and that golden pension after 20 years. If they don’t want to take the risk, they can take their roided out asses and get some honest work. I am sure most of them would be qualified to pick up cans from the side of the road.

  • Guy Fawkes

    It looked to me like he couldn’t reach them from where he was and wasn’t advancing. They didn’t even tell him to put it down, just smashed their way into his home and shot him. As far as “investigation” goes, they probably got their info from a CI(Confidential Informant). A CI is nothing but a rat who got caught, and is squealing to the cops to stay out of jail. I know this may come as a shock to you flag waiving law and order types, but sometimes CI’s lie. Especially when pressured by their cop masters to come up with someone so the fuzz can make a bust.

  • Tanya

    I really don’t like this place! Is it just America? The UK? Other “civilized” societies? Where can you go to just get away from it all? Craziness…as long as there are guys willing to put on their state uniforms and kill their fellow countrymen…it just sucks!!!!!!

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  • ekeyra

    Robert shack,

    If im following your reasoning successfully, police put their lives on the line everyday to protect us, which makes them better than us, which means we must protect them at all costs, which includes allowing them to kill us at their discretion because we might be putting them in danger, and putting themselves in danger is what makes them better than us. So if I pick a fight with an obviously outmatched opponent, then decimate that opponent with overwhelming force, claim i was defending myself and the rest of society from him, that makes me not only a better person than my opponent, but a better person than anyone who was not involved in the fight i started?

  • ekeyra

    Also he had 3 bullets in him before he was told to “get on the ground”. Fucking cowards, each and every one of them.

  • NA

    The idea that police need to serve a “no knock” warrant in the middle of the night is utterly ridiculous. Put your self in that guy’s shoes, it’s the middle of the night and men dressed in all black come pounding through your door, he was probably dead before he realized what happened.

  • VeenReen

    Stupid PUNK Cops, its PUNK cops like this I just LOVE to hear about in the news that get clipped in the line of duty. I am only saddended this guy did not get some shots off first! Punk loser pig cops!

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  • Canadian

    I think the video speaks for itself. ‘Ol Robert Shack is full of crap. Put yourself in his spot.
    A complete over reaction. And the DA cleared this? Isn’t he a meth dealer? Perhaps the police should go investigate him !!

  • Andy

    I’d like to start off by saying Robert Shack is a police officer. Also, I would hate to quote “The Princess Bride” here, but Ekeyra… You used the word “decimate”. I do not think that word means what you think it means. Decimate means “kill one in every ten”. The Romans used to do it for anyone found to be mutinous. They would decimate the platoon that the person found guilty of mutiny belonged to as an example.

    Anyway… Being ex-military (United States Army) I do NOT approve of the tactics used here by these police officers. A no-knock warrant is using the element of surprise. A night no-knock is usually between the hours of 1am and 4am when everyone is asleep. Meth dealer or not, if you are jolted out of bed by the sound of a large crash, fight or flight response kicks in as does adrenaline. Your brain cannot process the information well enough, as seen in this video. He had the golf club raised, lowered it and brought it back up into defensive position. Note I said DEFENSIVE position.

    However, with all the nonlethal technology we as taxpayers have spent millions on producing and providing to officers of the law, not once was it implemented. No CS spray (mace/pepper spray), no flash bang, not even a taser. These police are supposed to be trained in the event of danger on these raids. They did not enter in the proper formation. Had they have gone in using a tight line formation, then there would be no element of danger, as the second man in could have easily tased the man over the left shoulder of the lead man.

    But what do I know? I was just trained by the Army for use against actual foreign and domestic enemies. I wasn’t trained to terrorize our citizens.

  • Andy

    But don’t get me wrong, not all police officers are like this. My best friend from the Army is a police officer. But he is a noble, upstanding guy with a sense of pride in his work. He doesn’t carry the holier than thou mentality. A man I have trusted with my life before and will continue to.

  • Some Guy

    If Robert Shack is a police officer, then he should be immediately dismissed from the public payroll. We’ve got far too many cases of Barney Fife playing soldier and killing unarmed civilians already.

  • Dr. Pickles

    Oh, sweet Officer Shack…

    It’s cute that you would take the time to defend the helpless gang of armed and armored police officers from all of these falsehoods threatening their sterling image.

    A golf club is NOT a real threat to a person holding an assault rifle and wearing Kevlar. Sorry, but it isn’t. It’s even less so from 20 feet away.

    But you go on ahead and get some good sleep knowing that one more user is off the streets and in the morgue. It’s just too bad that he didn’t have any of the stuff the cops were looking for…I’m sure they all would have enjoyed splitting any money they may have found.

  • Concerned Citizen

    The cops involved in this should be brought up on charges. I’ve never seen such a blatant depiction of the shoot first ask questions later.

    Does it even mention if there was any evidence found that warranted the search in the first place? Bottom line, if you and your buddies are too stupid to operate a firearm, find a different line of work.

  • Geoff

    Robert Shack is the kind of cop that couldn’t catch a cold.

  • Todd

    This is a true tragedy that could have been prevented. And there is a lot we can learn from a story like this. Unfortunately, the author had decided to sensationalize it for attention and as a result, has made it difficult to do so objectively.

    To assume that the cops were “out for blood” is both dangerous and irresponsible. When I first watched the video, it almost looked as if the suspect was holding a gun. After a few more views, It’s clearly a golf club, but that’s not a luxury the SWAT team has. The shooter did what most cops would have done, and are trained to.

    What frustrates me the most about this entire situation is why SWAT was necessary in the first place?!? It was one individual. Seems like there’s much better ways to handle these types of situations that don’t put good policemen in danger, and that ultimately got the suspect killed.

    IMO: The family is certainly entitled to compensation. And if taxpayers want to see any type of justice in this situation, they’d seek to remove people from office who are truly to blame (from top down): DA, Sheriff, & the Judge who authorized the no knock warrant before considering other options.

  • Former Police Officer

    I was a police officer for 5 years in a major urban area. In my opinion, from what is visible in the video, that shooting was unjustified. The guy was not advancing and, based on the situation, I do not think there was any real indication that they guy intended to resist in spite of the golf club. In the time that they gave him to react, I doubt if he could have realized it was police officers and put down the club before he was dead. If I heard someone breaking in my door, I would arm myself with a handgun or shotgun, if I had time. I would probably be killed by police officers who would claim they were justified. That sort of action makes citizens trust and support law enforcement much less than is is good for society or for the police.

  • Marc

    I wonder why they use these tactics when all they need to do is wait for the guy to go out to his mailbox in the morning and arrest him. If they are worried about him having a gun “or golf club”, well just grab him outside when you can see he’s unarmed. Then go into the house. This way he can’t destroy evidence, the door is unlocked, you don’t have to bust it down, and that’s it. Of course others inside could be a danger, but you’ve got the main suspect who you’re afraid of to begin with.

    It’s just overkill in so many ways. Robert Shack “who posted a comment above” feels his life is more important than a non-violent civilian forgets that he is the one serving the public. Not the other way around. It’s that arrogant additude – the us verses them additude that they instil in the minds of cops. So they become trigger happy and way too excited to run in with all the cool high tech tactical gear.

    It really takes someone with compassion and thought to handle a gun. Not someone who gets so fired up out of fear of people minding their own business in the privacy of their own homes. Yes seconds count in life and death situations. But if you can’t conclude properly what is a real life or death situation is – you really shouldn’t be holding a gun.

  • http://youareproperty.blogspot.com/2010/06/we-are-exempt-from-your-morality.html Government Man

    Whether or not the shooting was justified is for the police to decide; they have all the experience deciding such matters.

    Either way, Blair is a lesser person, so it’s not really that serious. Our legal system provides for much greater protection for government employees than regular people, and recognizes the change in severity of a crime when the offender and victim are of different castes.

    Slap a civilian, and slap a government employee and you will be quickly made aware of the different.

    http://youareproperty.blogspot.com/2010/09/we-put-you-right-back-into-caste-system.html

  • Fred Bloggs

    You should never issue a gun, a badge or a warrant to someone whose threat assessment is as poor as that officer’s. It is clear that he intended to shoot first and think later (if at all).

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  • http://www.myspace.com/stellardrone Edgaras

    he wasn’t even warned to drop the weapon. They simply shot him when saw a golf bat. Not that is cold blooder murderers out there. Cops.

  • ekeyra

    Andy,

    Poor choice of a specific word on my part. I think my point is still valid. By his logic if i start a fight with an obviously outmatched opponent, I am superior to, not only my opponent, but to everyone who did not put themselves in “danger” by participating in the fight.

  • Liberty???

    Its odd how a man in a silly uniform and with a piece of metal on his shirt can get away with murder. There was no need to shoot him 3 times. I hope this prick feels good at the end of the day about murdering a person. Its funny, Im sure he feels like he really saved the world that night when he commited cold blooded murder but in reality hes the lowest kind of murder, one who hides behind a badge and thinks hes a hero because he killed somebody who made some wrong decisions. Absolutely disgusting. Fuck this guy

  • LAMESAJOE

    I’d always been led to believe that we had the right to defend our homes and families from intruders, but, as this video clearly shows, the police do not share that belief. I keep firearms 4 home defense, and, if time allowed, I’d respond to the commotion just as the victim did here, except w/a gun. Once I realized that there were multiple “intruders”, I’d probably hesitate to fire, hoping against hope, that they were the “good guys”, and that this “misunderstanding” would soon be resolved, but I’m sure I’d be reluctant to lower my weapon until I was thoroughly convinced that they were legit. While I was attempting to process all of this, I would be shot DEAD! Did I do anything wrong?!! Would any of these cops do anything different under similar circumstances? The fact that these raids happen at all clearly dispels the myth that there is any presumption of innocence!

  • Tim Brenkman

    He was so far away from the police, he could not have even of got within an inch of the officer. This is the point. He could of asked him to just drop it, not shoot him dead!! The point is; he was so far away from any officer you horrible people!

  • Troy

    This is a ridiculous abuse of police power. To believe a terrified homeowner with a golf club poses any threat to a fully geared swat team over 10 feet away is a desperate attempt to justify unwarranted police brutality. All of these officers involved with the shooting should be tried for civil rights violations the same as those involved in the Danziger Bridge incident in Katrina. Not once did someone say drop the weapon, or “golf club”. This has been a complete setup to allow the officers just cause to murder an unarmed citizen, who was also found to not even be the person they were looking for. This is a joke, and I hope they are convicted for murder. These people make America look bad.

  • FailAssCop

    That was some pussy shit, and all of you supporting the fact that he had a full intentional reason to do that, go fuck yourselves, If I just got woken up out of no where as deep as I sleep and felt like it was an intrusion then I’d probably get some protection too.

    This cop is obviously some little pussy ass bitch that thinks hes hard cause hes in the force and his out of shape ass has permission to go up in someones house, funny how hes the only one that fired the shots and on top of that YOU JUST FUCKING BROKE INTO SOMEONES HOUSE? YOU EXPECT THE MAN TO COME OUT OF HIS ROOM AND BE LIKE “HEY GOT A PROBLEM”? FUCK NO.

    If someone busted in my house and I didn’t know who it was I’d have alot more than a gulf club, I hope this cop gets what he deserves, 20+ or maybe karma will hit him and he gets his life taken in something as stupid as this. Hope hes not a father, what a failure as a cop and parent that would be.

  • Jess

    If the police officers had really investigated Todd then they would have known he was not a violent person. And he was all of 5’4″ tall. The officers planned on pulling him over in his car. Which would have worked just fine except that when they pulled his car over, it wasnt Todd who was driving it! He had borrowed it to his friend. So they regrouped and went to his home. I spoke to the man who founded the narcotics task force in Utah and asked his opinion on the shooting…he said it could and should have been handled differently. No knock search warrants should never be carried out at night. It puts everyone involved ary risk. Poor decisions made by the ones we pay to protect us.

  • Zach

    To all those that find this wrong in some way have never been in the line of fire as an officer. And for someone to say this is why they hate the united states…thats fine, we know you hate us, we dont need your comments. go back to your shitty little country.

    #1 meth is a huge problem that causes more crime in the state than most other things.
    #2 if you are holding any kind of weapon (anything that is over 6 inches in length and is made of plastic, metal, or wood) you will be fired upon. End of story.
    As for the death of that man. Ive been to roy…its not that bad of a place. This isnt Detroit, but you all seem to think it is. The utah cops were well within their rights to carry out this operation the way they did. Someone on meth is not someone you calmly walk up to and try to get the weapon out of their hands. You shoot them. Plain and simple, HE HAD A WEAPON SO HE WAS SHOT>

  • rick

    Zach-plain and simple you are an ass. They were well within their rights? They were looking for a suspect they KNEW wasn’t there but they entered the house anyway.Have you ever heard of the Fourth Amendment Zach? Citizens have rights granted by the Constitution not the police. ,they have duties. I thought one of their duties was to protect and serve not break and murder.

  • rick

    Civil rights violation?

  • http://bullpasturechronicles.blogspot.com BullPasture

    Zach you are one scary dude. I have no doubt that you are a coward pussy in person without your badge and gun but you are scary because you are fundamentally ignorant and yet still given a badge and gun.

    Citizens have a right to keep and bear arms.
    Citizens have a right to self-defense.

    You think that you have the right to shoot anyone who is armed, apparently, for no other reason than that they are armed.

    Your job is to protect the public not execute them.

    I hope you are removed from your position as soon as possible.

  • Pissed

    First off this was murder, the officer should have been charged. Todd was not near nor did he appear to be advancing. He was far enough away that the only thing he could do was to throw the golf club. They could have tried talking to him first and if he came at them then it would have been justified. These no knock warrants are so dangerous because a group of people break in and advance and people are going to arm themselves until it is too late. Drugs are bad for people but it is their choice, it is time to end this nonsense and start going after more dangerous criminals.

  • gonob

    a mans home is his castle, if anyone kicks in his door they get whats coming to them, cops are not special, if you are going to make a stand against intruders then you had better hold more than a golf club.

    cops are pussies at heart, they view everything as a threat.

    cops are not soldiers, soldiers are brave while cops are corrupt, thats a real world fact.

  • Kheltick

    Claim no. 1 is BS. If you want to live in this country and its states you must abide by the countries laws. The mere possession of meth is a felony, therefore he no longer has the rights of a law abiding citizen. And by Constitutional law the police officers have a legal right of search and siezure. What you want to argue is their evidence, and that falls on the judge that they presented the warrant to and signed it. If you don’t like the rules, leave. No one makes you live in the US. Sort of the “my house, my rules” mentality.

    And not every “dealer” has a huge stash, they say you should never use your own product which leads me to believe that there was a circumstance that led to the creation of the saying. He may have been using his own product and been so far hooked on it that he ran dry and any money he had was spent on more drugs (just a possibility).

    Claim no. 2 is also BS. The yelled “police, search warrant!” Before entering, they yelled “police” twice more and “search warrant!” Three more times after entering and before an shots were fired.
    Now the general rule is that the average person with a knife can move 21 feet and stab you before you can draw your gun and fire. In the case it may have been a golf club but the statutes for use of deadly force usually (depending on state) are indicated by what a reasonable officer would perceive at the time of the incident occurring. (Meaning no Monday-morning quarterbacking). The officer saw a man move out into the hallway in the “loaded” position with a metal bar in his hand. (He wasn’t jut standing in the hallway all night, he was “advancing” towards what he may very well have perceived as intruders).

    I’m also fairly sure it’s 3/4 of a second, not 3 seconds thats it takes your brain to react, otherwise hitting a baseball would be impossible.

    Another side note, you don’t just let someone get rid of evidence. The no-knock is to catch the person with the drugs on them. You don’t reveal your presence until you’re there, you don’t call him up and say “hey, we’ll be there in 10.”
    It’s not the person they’re after during the raid its the drugs/evidence that they want, so you don’t wait for him to leave the house.

    And cops do not make “the big bucks”

    Claim no. 3 “so what?” Really? So he’s actually guilty of something and you run out of conspiracies? He wasn’t “menacing” he was threatening/attacking the officer. Because the officer has Kevlar and superior firepower he’s supposed to let himself get hit? That’s CQC, which is why he had a handgun and not a rifle, he could be attacked by the time he says “get on the ground.” Like i said earlier, you would be surprised how fast someone can be up on you from 20 feet away and all it take is one stab wound, one swing of a bar/club and your life is forever changed or over.

    This is really a no-win situation, assuming he didn’t realize it was the police. But trainin videos shown to officers are the reason they take their safety so seriously and why they may seem “trigger happy” or ruthless.

    Here’s an example:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jQvDn9MEtNo

  • http://copblock rick

    They broke in house in the middle of the night?Was he a violent criminal? No,It was a murder plain and simple.Don’t ever tell me to leave a country that my father fought for in WW2.did you ever hear of the Bill of Rights ?

  • Kheltick

    First, it’s not a murder. It was self defense. He came towards the officer with a weapon. They had a legal search warrant, the constitution that your father fought for made it legal. And yes, I have heard of them.

    Father is USMC Ret-31 yrs
    Mother USMC Ret 20 yrs.
    Grandfather USA Ret 24 yrs (purple heart)
    Grandfather Royal Navy WWII
    Sister USA 1st Lt.
    Brother USMC Cpl.
    Brother in law USN PO2
    Brother in law USMC Sgt.
    Step Father USMC Med Ret. (15 yrs. Purple Heart) recon

    The whole, “my family fought for you and your rights” isn’t going to work with me.

  • Kheltick

    Also, I forgot to mention that among State and Federal inmates, 25% commited drug-related offenses to buy more drugs. 10% of State prisoners commited Violent offenses to obtain drugs and 15% of federal inmates commited violent offenses to obtain drugs. So, yes, in fact innocent people are affected by drug habits of other people.

  • Chris Fernandez

    I served with Troy in the Army. One of the most decent men I have ever met in my life.

  • Rick

    @khetlick-your reading comprehension rivals your viewing aptitude .He didn’t advance on anyone. As for your asinine statement “He possesses meth ,it was a felony-really? They knew he possessed the meth before they shot him?Ever heard of “innocent until proven guilty” ? i guess that kind of “shoots” your explanation down doesn’t it.
    “The whole, “my family fought for you and your rights” isn’t going to work with me.” Once again review your reading comprehension,i didn’t ask you to leave the country. There was no comment made about anyone fighting for your rights.
    @ Chris F – if a murderer of a civilian is the one of the most decent men you have met,maybe you need to get out more.