NYPD: The Gang That Can’t Shoot Straight

Published On August 25, 2012 | By Davy V. | Articles

By Davy V.

Two weeks ago, the NYPD shot at least 12 rounds in crowded Times Square at 51 year old Darius Kennedy, who had mental health issues and was waving a knife as he walked down 7th Avenue.

Some of the rounds could have injured or killed innocent bystanders.

In fact, at least one of those rounds were found embedded in the doorway of a nearby building.

Two days later an NYPD officer shot an innocent dog on 14th Street and 2nd Avenue, again in one of Manhattan’s busiest neighborhoods.

The dog was barking as she protected her owner, a man who many described as being homeless, and who had passed out in the street.

Eddie Huang, a well known chef and owner of BaoHaus restaurant described the incident this way, “We heard the gunshot, and we all ducked, and saw people running and screaming. All of the sudden, our chef Mitch ran towards the gunshot. He was like Yo, it’s that dog in front of KFC—because there’s always this dog in front of KFC—and by the time I get there, I can see the dog whipping around and convulsing.”

Again, innocent bystanders could have been injured or killed by shots fired by a New York City police officer.

Then, on Friday August 24, 2012, less than two weeks after the NYPD shot that innocent dog, NYPD officers Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj opened fire on 58 year old Jeffrey Johnson, a disgruntled, laid off ex-employee of Hazan Import Corp., a clothing accessory company, who had just shot and killed Steve Ercolino, the company’s vice president after he had walked into the company around 9 am.

According to the NYPD, Officer Craig Matthews fired seven times, and Officer Robert Sinishtaj fired nine times.

Neither Matthews or Sinishtaj had ever fired their weapons before on a patrol.

On Saturday, authorities confirmed that NYPD officers Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj fired more than 16 rounds, striking Johnson at least seven times.

A video shows Jeffrey Johnson dressed in a suit, in front of the landmark building on Fifth Avenue at 34th Street, turn towards police, appearing to point a gun at officers when he is shot.

The NYPD also confirmed that nine bystanders who were wounded in the shooting, were injured by bullets fired by police, not Mr. Johnson.

Of the nine shot by police, three were hit directly by bullets, while six were injured by bullet fragments that ricocheted off of the concrete pavement and/or planters.

Three people remain in the hospital in stable condition.

As always, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, along with NYPD Commisioner Ray Kelly backed the NYPD officers actions and defended the shooting which injured, and could have killed nine innocent bystanders.

When asked by CNN’s Don Lemon why were innocent people hit by NYPD officer’s bullets, Lou Palumbo, a retired Nassau County, NY Police officer said it’s “part of collateral damage.”

New York State Rep. Charlie Rangel (D) said he was “shaken” by news of the shooting, which happened “at an hour when many New Yorkers are starting their workday and hundreds of tourists are visiting.”

The Big Apple is described as the “Cultural Capital of the World”, where tourism is one of New York City’s most vital industries, with more than 40 million domestic and international tourists visiting each year, these incidents of shootings by the NYPD in broad daylight, with innocent people around, are very disturbing.

Combine that with the NYPD’s history of being the most corrupt police force in the country, and it’s why I say the NYPD is the gang that can’t shoot straight.

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Davy V. is a Cuban-American Filmmaker, Video Producer, Photographer and Freelance Writer, best known for using the power of video and film to expose Police Brutality, Corruption and Misconduct. The son of the late Mario Vara, a community activist who for years fought against Police Brutality and Misconduct in Rochester, New York, Davy V. got his start in Television and Video by tagging along and working camera for his father's cable access television show, "La Voz Del Pueblo" (The Voice of The People). Davy V. later went on to produce and host "KEEP IT ON THE REEL", a cable access TV show with a mix of Hip Hop as well as issues affecting African-Americans and Latinos in Rochester, NY, such as Police Brutality and Misconduct. Some guests on the show included Treach, KayGee and Vinnie of Naughty by Nature, Method Man, Funkdoobiest, Da Youngstas, and the Rottin' Razkals. Davy V. won the U.S. ACM Video Festival Award for his Documentary, "R.P.D. EXPOSED!" about the Rochester, New York Police Department and their long history of misconduct, corruption and unnecessary killings of unarmed innocent citizens. "R.P.D. EXPOSED!" and Davy V.'s follow up, "R.P.D.: Badges of DISHONOR, CORRUPTION and MURDER!" were both screened at the National Hip Hop Political Convention at Rutgers University in Newark, New Jersey. Davy V.'s work has been featured in publications such as THE SOURCE Hip Hop Magazine, URBAN AMERICA Magazine, The Ave. Magazine, Insider Magazine, La Voz Newspaper, Minority Reporter Newspaper, CNY LATINO Newspaper, DOWN Magazine, as well as on television news stations, and programs such as CNN and Inside Edition. In addition to his freelance writing, Davy V. also writes a monthly Op/Ed Column for LA VOZ Magazine and Minority Reporter Newspaper. In June 2012, Davy V. joined Cop Block as a regular contributor.
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  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell

    They are non cops. Read the PoliceOne comments. As long as the cops were unharmed, fuck everyone else.

  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell

    Stop complaining how we protect you, fucking sheep.

  • Veteran

    Where is the protection Wolf?

  • t.

    What an incredibly singularly bias and (to use @doudo’s on big word) myopic view this tripe is. This author could be Hall of Fame quarterback in the NFL…as long as they move all the games to Monday mornings.

    These 2 police heros, placed themselves in danger to stop an armed man who has already shown a propensity to kill. Are the injuries to the bystanders a tragedy? Of course. But suggesting that these officers did something beyond ignorance, it’s clearly lying to try an prove a nonexistent point.

    Start with the shooting 2 weeks ago. So if that MDP hurts you, or your mommy, because the police could have done something but didn’t and just let knife guy put a stabbing on you, how pissed are you gonna be?

    The one about the dog, I know it was posted here but I passed on that one. From the description given in this article, the officer did the right thing. I love my dog and understand that animals are like a part of the family. And while this dog may have been guarding its passed out owner, the officer did the right thing as he needed to render assistance to the same said person. Love your pets, but at the end of the day they are animals.

    But to the biggest lie of the bunch. I’d like to give you credit for being ignorant, but with the resume posted about you, I can’t give you the pass. You know better. BTW…by suggesting that these officers had never shoot their firearms while on patrol, are you therefore suggestingthat officers start sshooting more? What silliness.

    This was a rapidedly evolving situation that was the extremely chaotic at best. Just go back and watch the initial reporting about this incident. People saying in was a shooter from a car.A terrorist, a . Razed security guard at the empire state building. All false. And that was coming from people who weren’t even in the heat of it there on the ground. The heavily armed man JUST KILLED SOMEONE, murdered someone, with a gun!!! They chase and engage said murderer, who then turns the gun on them. They hit him 7 times out of 16 shots (nearly 50% under extreme circumstances) which is pretty good. Is it awful that others got hurt ? Absolutely and they should be compensated. Are you / we able to sit back in our nice safe chairs and think, it was probably an isolated incident with him just killing his ex boss? Sure we can. But that’s because YOU AREN’T IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SITUATION. The one where this guy just shot someone and killed them. And now he is pointing that same murder weapon at you. Those officers don’t have your Monday morning information. They see an armed murderer walking into a crowd of potential victims.

    You have the luxury of blaming the police for everything as you have nothing on the line. They has their lives on the line and did what they should have.

    You are ignoring, as Cop Blockers love to do, the part of the CRIMINAL. The murderer, the guy with the knife, the homeless guy that has “passed out” for whatever reason (not that he is necessarily a criminal). You blame the police when this guys are bring the situation to them.

    What a pathetic joke for “journalism”. Get a dictionary and look up “truth”. Then try to find some in your “reporting”. All of your activism, without truth, is pointless. What a pathetic joke.

  • shawn

    @T

    You do understand that all nine of the wounded people were wounded by the cops? Now, I can understand that in a crowded environment that wounded innocents will happen. Especially if people weren’t smart enough to hit the dirt. But that’s quite a count they racked up there.

    And no offense, but cops are like every other profession. They are paid to get it right. Like it or not, that’s the truth of all professions. Seriously, not one or two, but NINE people. It’s only dumb luck that no one was killed by the cop’s fire.(other than the shooter.)

    As for Monday morning quarterbacking, do you know what coaches do on Monday mornings? They take time to look at what went wrong, instead of patting themselves on the back. I went to police one, and I saw no comments about how to mitigate what went wrong. Only backslapping by the cheerleaders and bitching if anyone thinks that maybe some mistakes were made.
    These cops work in a crowded city. And I think this should tell them that maybe they need to spend time training to deal with gunfire in crowded areas.

    Bravo that they got the man and no one died. Now how about doing better next time?

  • Yankee Fan

    I would be interested in knowing how many of the wounded citizens were due to their own failure to act quick enough or who took their sweet old time in hitting the deck. I am not blaming them but it would be interesting to see. I bet a lot of police brass and city leaders are thanking their high divine being they pray to that only the gunman was killed. As far as the police action, they did what they had to do and it was a good shoot but if something can be done, if anything to ensure this does not happen again, I hope they implement it.

  • t.

    @Shawn: YOU do realize that they didn’t shoot nine people right? 3 were struck by bullets (not that that is good), the other 6 were struck by fragments (not that it still doesn’t hurt).

    And…they did get it right.

    And while certainly you always assess the good and bad of everything, this serious of not, if they had done nothing….you bitch. They do something…you bitch. I”l take my chances at doing something and listening to then bitching, rather than do nothing, letting him hurt someone else, and then still listen to the bitching.

    Well done NYPD !

  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell

    Well done NYPD. Those bystanders are probably guilty of something, like unpopular political opinions or no being sufficiently deferential to police. Fuck ‘em.

  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell

    Or so say the commenters on PoliceOne. Stupid sheep. Telling us we might not want to wildly blast away in a crowded area. Brave heroes should be allowed to do anything they deem necessary, including wounding 9 bystanders. Suppressive fire is a great tactic on a crowded New York street.

    Maybe next time Bloomburg’s army can call in a Predator, or an artillery strike. Officer safety is paramount, after all.

  • Ralph

    The nypd should stick to what they’re good at, such as:
    1) beating up innocent, unarmed protesters.
    2) sticking batons up the buttocks of handcuffed prisoners in police station bathrooms.
    3) tasering naked MDP’s wielding Wooden broomstick handles, while standing on top of store gate housings fifteen feet from the ground, so when the MDP obviously falls to the ground, he dies because he lands on his head, cause he was 15′ above the ground.
    4) Raping innocent women who need to be escorted into their apartments because someone called the cops as she was exiting a cab, and thought she may need assistance. Calling in false reports so that they may return to the Victims apartment 4 times, while one ahole rapes her and the other ahole stands guard in the living room.
    5) getting discounts at the stores and restaurants they buy and eat at. Yes, it’s against the law, but these idiots are above the law, and the store owners still pay them off as I personally can attest to by speaking with them.
    6) Shooting a guy that reaches for his wallet.
    7) putting people in choke holds and killing them because the kid hit the cops car with a football by accident.
    8) shooting fellow black officers because they mistakenly taken the guy for a perp because he’s black. If I was a black cop, I’d be looking over my shoulder at my fellow guys in blue.
    9) the Empire State nypd mass shooting is reminiscent of the incident in the 1980′s where the nypd, 112pct shot at a running,armed perp who just shot someone in a restaurant, and put over 30_bullets into the Sizzler steakhouse while trying to hit the perp running by.
    Over 12 police cars with 20 cops opened fire and shot over 150 rounds, never hitting the perp, who was eventually killed by a Federal agent.
    Etc. Etc. and on and on,

    Listening to Bloomberg and Kelly is like listening to a broken record, along with the propaganda.
    And Paul Browne, the Nypd Shill is one of the Biggest, Fattest Blowhards ever to be a spokesman for the corrupt nypd in a while.
    Part of the problem is that the Bloomberg/Kelly/nypd regimen has been in power, untethered for almost 12 years, and the Corruption has been going on with impunity for that long. These idiots get set in their corrupt, untrained ways, and there are hardly any changes to make things better.
    I have called for Federal Oversight for years.
    Things will only get worse.
    The nypd is really only half good as an investigatory body. Most of these overweight, da cops qualify once a year, and really don’t know how to shoot straight or operate their weapons properly. They are not an Army engaged in live round practice or shootings everyday, although bloomberg says he has the 7th largest army in the world, bloomberg is an Idiot, and thinks he is a Demi gd.
    No wonder the nypd thinks the same.
    The nypd for the most part consists of:
    1) men and women who just want to collect a paycheck, and a pension and go home
    2) Criminals, who can commit crimes legally, and hopefully eventually get caught. How many are still committing crimes and never get caught? For every cop caught, I’m sure there are at least a hundred that aren’t.
    3) People who think they didn’t get a fair shake in life, and now can take out their aggression on civilians
    4) People who want to carry a badge and a gun, and take advantage of that when it comes to freebies, purchases at a discount, and thinking that people look up to them because they have the power.
    5) People who actually care about society, and want to reduce crime, get drugs off the street, help the poor and indigent. Protect the helpless, chase the bad guy or girl and arrest and put them in jail, to help protect others, put their lives on the line, and risk not coming home to their Families and Loved ones, so that they may protect the citizens of NYC and make this a better place for you and I.
    If you believe that #5 is the Choice most pick as the reason they join the nypd, then you also believe in the tooth fairy and the propaganda bloomberg and Kelly and Paul Browne vomit out of their mouths almost every day.

  • Ralph

    nypd should stick to what they’re good at, such as:
    1) beating up innocent, unarmed protesters.
    2) sticking batons up the buttocks of handcuffed prisoners in police station bathrooms.
    3) tasering naked MDP’s wielding Wooden broomstick handles, while standing on top of store gate housings fifteen feet from the ground, so when the MDP obviously falls to the ground, he dies because he lands on his head, cause he was 15′ above the ground.
    4) Raping innocent women who need to be escorted into their apartments because someone called the cops as she was exiting a cab, and thought she may need assistance. Calling in false reports so that they may return to the Victims apartment 4 times, while one ahole rapes her and the other ahole stands guard in the living room.
    5) getting discounts at the stores and restaurants they buy and eat at. Yes, it’s against the law, but these idiots are above the law, and the store owners still pay them off as I personally can attest to by speaking with them.
    6) Shooting a guy that reaches for his wallet.
    7) putting people in choke holds and killing them because the kid hit the cops car with a football by accident.
    8) shooting fellow black officers because they mistakenly taken the guy for a perp because he’s black. If I was a black cop, I’d be looking over my shoulder at my fellow guys in blue.
    9) the Empire State nypd mass shooting is reminiscent of the incident in the 1980′s where the nypd, 112pct shot at a running,armed perp who just shot someone in a restaurant, and put over 30_bullets into the Sizzler steakhouse while trying to hit the perp running by.
    Over 12 police cars with 20 cops opened fire and shot over 150 rounds, never hitting the perp, who was eventually killed by a Federal agent.
    Etc. Etc. and on and on,

    Listening to Bloomberg and Kelly is like listening to a broken record, along with the propaganda.
    And Paul Browne, the Nypd Shill is one of the Biggest, Fattest Blowhards ever to be a spokesman for the corrupt nypd in a while.
    Part of the problem is that the Bloomberg/Kelly/nypd regimen has been in power, untethered for almost 12 years, and the Corruption has been going on with impunity for that long. These idiots get set in their corrupt, untrained ways, and there are hardly any changes to make things better.
    I have called for Federal Oversight for years.
    Things will only get worse.
    The nypd is really only half good as an investigatory body. Most of these overweight, da cops qualify once a year, and really don’t know how to shoot straight or operate their weapons properly. They are not an Army engaged in live round practice or shootings everyday, although bloomberg says he has the 7th largest army in the world, bloomberg is an Idiot, and thinks he is a Demi gd.
    No wonder the nypd thinks the same.
    The nypd for the most part consists of:
    1) men and women who just want to collect a paycheck, and a pension and go home
    2) Criminals, who can commit crimes legally, and hopefully eventually get caught. How many are still committing crimes and never get caught? For every cop caught, I’m sure there are at least a hundred that aren’t.
    3) People who think they didn’t get a fair shake in life, and now can take out their aggression on civilians
    4) People who want to carry a badge and a gun, and take advantage of that when it comes to freebies, purchases at a discount, and thinking that people look up to them because they have the power.
    5) People who actually care about society, and want to reduce crime, get drugs off the street, help the poor and indigent. Protect the helpless, chase the bad guy or girl and arrest and put them in jail, to help protect others, put their lives on the line, and risk not coming home to their Families and Loved ones, so that they may protect the citizens of NYC and make this a better place for you and I.
    If you believe that #5 is the Choice most pick as the reason they join the nypd, then you also believe in the tooth fairy and the propaganda bloomberg and Kelly and Paul Browne vomit out of their mouths almost every day.

  • shawn

    @T

    Alright T. Have a good day cheer leading. Pay no attention to what went wrong.

  • tb

    You are the type of person bringing this country down. So what your saying is the cops shouldn’t of shot the guy with a knife 3 feet away from them while the dumb citizens chased after the police which had their weapons drawn. Putting themselves in a dangerous situation. As for the nut with a gun he just murdered someone then points his gun at police. Remember the police have families too. Dog wasn’t so innocent charging at police pitbulls have almost 1800lbs per square inch bite, could crush bones. Once it charged its a threat. It’s easy to monday morning quarterback when your behind a desk.

  • DKSuddeth

    t, shut up dude. you’re looking like a moron. these two officers, while rushing in to stop a known active shooter, did so in a panic and started blazing away with no concern for anyone else around them. It’s the only reason someone who is supposed to be trained would run in firing 7 and 9 bullets rapid fire. If a citizen were to do something like this, you idiots would charge him with negligence and endangering the public.

  • FTP

    LOL… The shooter was 8ft away from them and they only hit him 7 times out of how many shots? I can hit a target 8ft away with my eyes closed. Why were these cops so off? The shooter stopped and stood still as he lifted the gun to them. All it takes is 2 shots to the upper torso to put someone down. These two idiots just started firing almost emptying their clips like amateurs. Two quick successive shots in the chest is all that was needed. Now because of their clumsiness there are 3 innocent people that were SHOT and 6 others WOUNDED by their lack of skills with a firearm. A gang banger would have done a better job of hitting their target.

  • http://nill Daniel Marshall

    To The Lakewood Four Are Burning In hell, you must believe that [police have the rights to treat people with disrespect and excessive force!!!!!!! WHat rubbish is this continual police harrassment and violence. Every country around the world has and needs police to do a good job of serving the law not harassing the public.

    ..

  • tb

    DK your another monday morning quarterback. How would of you handled that situation. You approach a man your told has a gun & just shot someone, as you yell out to him as you close in he turns pulls & points a gun at you remember minimal cover to get behind…you got seconds do you go home to your family or do they send a cop & a priest to your home to tell them your not coming home.

  • t.

    Suddeth : Ignoring facts and reality as usual and spoken by a man not in the battle. Review that real,facts about this incident, not the fairytale that this “activist” wrote. That term, activist, in and of itself rules out any objectivity….and YOU bought it hook line and sinker.

  • JAMES

    What is the rank of the two officers.

  • JAMES

    The rank of the officers, please.

  • GuyFawkes

    DKSuddeth is right, there is a double standard here. If a citizen had done that and 9 people wound up shot there would be ALL KINDS of accusations from the media about “Rambo behavior” and “irresponsible citizen vigilanteism”, the anti gun Mayor would see that the individual got prosecuted.

    NYC cops need to spend less time at the donut shop and more time at the gun range.

  • Winston

    It must be pretty hard for a pig to handle a human weapon with its hooves.

  • shawn

    @T

    We’re seeing example after example of police panicking during dangerous, and not so dangerous, situations.

    There is the 18 boy killed for absolutely no reason. There is now this woman who was shot in her own back yard, and the cop admits it was a panicked reaction. Now this one, where whether you want to admit it or not, the cops showed no professionalism at all. They came under threat and blazed away with their guns, as though they’d had no training in controlled fire at all.

    You want to get mad because the public is criticizing what has happened. But if we don’t, who will? Cops have shown that they won’t even look at the possibility that something needs to be changed. In the mind of cops, all is well. That’s the most infuriating part. As long as an officer isn’t hurt, nothing is wrong.

    I’m not calling for charges or their badges. But perhaps some consideration to actual training in close quarter conflict might be in order? Perhaps a reconsideration of ammunition is also a good idea. I understand that new ‘frangible’ rounds are becoming available. They don’t punch through car doors and such, but they don’t ricochet or fragment the same way. They turn to dust on impact. They are designed for such populated environments.

  • t.

    @Shawn: Are you insane?? This isn’t PANIC. Far from it. This is shipping a murderer before he can kill more. Again, the fact that 3 innocent people got shot and a few others got injured its a horrible tragedty. But you are forgetting, that the MURDERER is the bad guy here.You are monMonday morning quarterbacking what happened, from the comforter of yourhouse. The officers were there in the street where this guy started shooting and killing. They didn’t bring that fight…he did. The officers did exactly what they should have done. You forget the times in which we live. Heavily armed people, those that you defend, are running around on mass shooting sprees. Form the comfort of your chair, you can say “we’ll, that wasn’t this guy, he only killed his boss”. First, small comfort that is to the dead guy. Second, the officers can’t take that chance. There this dude is, killing someone in broad daylight, in the middle of NEW York city….and the officers are supposed to just let him go running off into the crowd? You’ve lost your freaking mind.

  • Chris Mallory

    No reason why cops should be armed at all. And T. you whine about Monday morning quarterbacking, but that is what cops do all day as their jobs. Citizens are expected to be held accountable for their actions. No reason why cops should not be held accountable for their actions too. One of the most basic rules of firearms safety is to know what is behind your target. These two cops should both be up on 9 counts of attempted murder. PERIOD.

  • slappy

    The PD did the best job they could for the situation. To say otherwise without actually being in their shoes is pure ignorance. Activists will crow about this because they have nothing better to do. The funny thing is activists would have done the same thing if they were in that particular situation.

  • Common Sense

    Funny, having watched the video several times, I didnt see any citizens, sovereign or freeman, running up to stop a murder. I did like the one who left his daugther in haste, maybe it was the Candy Striper Sniper on vacation.

    Tragic as it was, another good job by the NYPD.

    I would have liked to see him turn and spray the crowd with a few more rounds, then the liberals would have bitched that the police should have shot him.

    “Sorry Suzie Hacky Sack, we didn’t want to hurt anyone, so we figured once he was empty, we’d shoot him then, but once the public found out he was empty, and then we shot him, well, we’d be in trouble for that too. So it was best for us to just leave, let him kill as many as he could, then we could write him letters to convince him to turn himself in, when he saw fit….”

  • t.

    Not that I would say it quite like @common did, but….

    EVERYBODY…according to Suddeth, Shawn, and Chairs Mallory….when the mass murders start shooting, you are to die like good little sheeple. For even if you are armed, and can possible save hundreds of lives, you can’t shoot because you might hit someone with the golden BB. Not unless they are standing perfectly still, inside an enclosed approved firing range that has been cleared of an possible “innocent victims” milliseconds before you fire. These cowards just would prefer if you stood there and died.

    @Mallory: Listen guy, all of your foolishness aside, did you not read where I very clearly stated that this bystanders should be made whole? But you, like @Shawn, forget about the MURDERER that was rushing at them. Sue his estate. Take his house (he doesn’t need it now), throw his family out. He is the one that started the shooting you freaking idiot.

  • shawn

    @T

    No one is asking for perfection. But come on. NINE people were wounded. They repeatedly fired in a crowded area. That’s a panic, or I don’t give a shit, reaction.
    I’m not asking for their badges or charges. I’m asking that cops analyze what went wrong here. Was it the weapons? Was it their ammunition type? was it lack of training in CQB?
    I’m only asking for what any sane person would want. For everyone to learn what didn’t go right and what can be done about it. I’m not calling them baby killers or anything.

    By your logic, anything the cops do is justified because he started it. That is nonsense. We aren’t giving cops a license to do anything they want. Sorry, but that isn’t going to happen.

    “Second, the officers can’t take that chance.”
    The officers took a hell of a chance, with other people’s lives. No one is asking them to hold their fire,(Ok, a few are, but I’m not.) or let the guy go. But controlled fire is the difference between an amateur and a professional/expert.
    Time and again we hear how trained cops are with their weapons. Many argue they are the only one’s qualified to have a weapon in such a situation. But then they get into this situation and act like someone who’d never held a gun.

  • DKSuddeth

    @t, I didn’t even read the article. all i did was watch the video. as a former combat experienced marine, I can tell you in all seriousness, you’re defending two idiots that panicked. they weren’t professional in any way shape or form once they actually encountered someone with a gun. these two need to be behind a desk the rest of their lives or they will end up killing an innocent eventually.

  • t.

    @Shawn: You are continuing to suspend reality. What then sir, I mask, would you have had these officers do? You’re casting your stones. But you offer no solutions. Ignore what you think you know about the situation now, but stand where they stood. New York city. Broad daylight. Big crowds. And some guy, with so little restraint, so little care for human life, that HE starts shooting in and around that crowd. And then he starts running / going towards another large crowd. Remember where your standing. Lots of terrorist incidents there. What would YOU do?

    Is it their weapons,, ammo, CQB? They hit him 7 times out of 16. Most of the injuries came from fragments form ricochets.

    My logic says nothing like that. HE FUCKING MUREDERED SOMEONE.IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. AND AFTER BEING CHALLENGED, USED DEADLY FORCE ON THE OFFICERS !! (wow, all those caps made me feel like Wolfie for a second). And I’ve never asked or said that officers should get a pass , or be allowed to do anything they want. I hope you are really not serious in thinking that they should have let him go, but unfortunately I don’t think you are.

    As for the training. Just the opposite. We don’t shoot enough. Most guys never shoot anytime other than at qualifications. Because, believe it or not, cops don’t dream of the day that they have to shoot someone. These officers are surely there right now. They did what they had to do, and what they should have done. The bad guy died, but other folks got hurt too.

    I’ll ask this last question to you, you talk about CQB (no offense, in the context of having read your comments now and in the past, I think that is just something you heard about on the history channel). Have you ever fired a pistol at all? Ever under any kind of stress? They hit him, under extreme stress, almost 50 %. That’s really high. In most shootings, police related or other wise, there are almost always a hell of a lot more shots fired and far less hits. Get you a pistol, set up a target, run 50 yards, do 15 push ups and have someone stand right beside you yelling and screaming. Shoot at that target at 15-20 yards. See how you do.

    I was gonna be a smart ass and say that I hope they get medals, something to brag to their grandkids about. But its never a great day when you have to take someone’s life. Did they do the right thing…YEP. is it great that it happened, never.

    They took a hell of a chance? They would have been taking an even bigger one by letting him go.

  • t.

    @Suddeth: While, as a combat experienced marine, then you get far less slack than others around her. You should definitely know better (but yet you don’t).

    If you watched the video, and still see “panic”, not only is your reading comprehension bad, but you can’t even be trusted to trust your own eyes.

    The officer run up, challenging him. How do we know? He obviously hears them as he turns towards them. Most of the crowds takes off at this same time as they understood the officers challenges.

    Your COMBAT EXPERINCE, in a combat zone, is….absolutely nothing like what the police do. Where you have a very little care or concern about a person walking away from you. Who cares if they walk into a crowd of unfriendlies and start shooting them up. Here, the officers have an armed murderer walking into a crowd of friendly people that they want to protect.

    There is no sign of panic in that video. The closest is the officer who went with the one handed shots. He probably missed most of his shots as along with the one hand shooting, he was also further away. The officers aren’t seen running around in panic. They aren’t seen just shooting at him once the threat isn’t there anymore. Those would be signs of panic.

  • shaun

    Cops are just a bunch of pussies that are afraid of their own shadows….

  • John Doe

    they did what they had to do,, it’s like Ramarly Grahmn where they illegally broke into his house and shot him dead while he was sitting on the toliet bowl minding his own business..

  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell

    Daniel,

    I am speaking in PoliceOne style. Read their comments. A cop raping a puppy while spraying a crowd of nuns with gunfire woud generally get two types of comments:

    1. Good job Team Blue. Cops went home safe after their shift, fuck you non-cop shitbags or

    2. Cops have such a tough and dangerous job, they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I am praying the officer comes out ok after such a dangerous encounter with an oversexed puppy and dangerous black clad religious fanatic thugs. Wait for the final investigation results (three years from now) before passing judgement on a brother in blue.

    Read their comment section. It would make Jeffrey Dahlmer cringe with embarrassment at the shamelessness of his fellow sociopaths.

  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell

    Read the PoliceOne comment section for a few days to get an idea of what foulness resides behind the dull, low IQ eyes and sloping forehead of the average cop. It will fucking shock you if you have never read it.

  • Common Sense

    Sounds like the Candy Striper Sniper didn’t pass his exam. Take your pill Captain Sissy Pants, lie down before you get a headache.

  • Common Sense

    Its not like TV ladies. As I said before, sometimes there isn’t a good and bad, only a bad, and less bad…

    Monday morning quarterback this all you want but NYPD did the right thing.

  • Yankee Fan

    The only monday morning quarterbacking that needs to be done is to see what, if anything can be done to ensure that something like this is avoided in the future. I told T in a post a few weeks ago that there is going to be an element of PR attached to policework. There are going to be situations where no matter what it, is a lose/lose situation. I think the shoot was good but the headline the public sees is…1 man killed by police but they wound 9 citizens. No matter how right the police may be, thats a headline thats going to draw negative attention to the police and thats just the way it is.

  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell

    Sounds like they allow you computer access at your pedo work release halfway house.

    I suggest you make use of an extension cord and a sturdy beam in the garage. Pedophiles cannot be cured.

  • Jon

    What ridiculousness. T is a weak person. He beleives that it’s the police responsiblity to protect you when it’s not. How many times have people called for help only to be ignored by the police. In most cases police only come AFTER THE FACT, AFTER a crime has been commited.
    You assume that we NEED the police, that they’re justified because they got the Murderer when in fact they did just as much damage as the suspect. And yes it was panicked shooting. There is something flawed with police culture because all thoughout the acadamy and the police force they are taught to HATE and FEAR the general public. They are taught that Johnny crackpot would do anything to kill a police officer and then they paint every other with the same brush. If you ever really talk to police you will notice that they are the biggest COWARDS in our society because they FEAR thier fellow man and they’d rather fire off rounds hoping to hit the guy than keep a cool head and shoot with courage, bravery and most importantly ACCURACY. There is a culture of fear hate and death when it comes to the police. And no I don’t depend on the police to get the bad guys and protect me….only a little bitch like you would think in such a cowardly way to the point where you think the police should RULE the common man for the safety of all. Your a joke and so is your opinions. Every artcile you are opposed to copblock. WHat makes you think that we NEED the police. It is up to each citizen to protect themselves. Maybe if you boys in blue are so great they should’ve stopped this guy from commiting a murder in the first place. OH and this guy murdered 1 guy, but the police have murdered countless innocents…now who’s worse for our society…
    You remind me of one of those littel helpless suckles who need DADDY to protect him. Go suck Blue Dick you ignorant fool. Why don’t you go join the police if your always defending them. It’s like if joe blow comes up to me and punches me whose job is it to protect ME? MYSELF. You must be one of those rat’s who runs to the police to solve everything. Don’t even get me started on those who report everything to the police cuz they have a flase sense of security and one day they will find out that the police aren’t always on thier side. How many of you have gone to the police to tell them about somthing important onlyh to be ignored or pushed away?

  • Common Sense

    Awww, thinking of me again? So sweet.

    Please tell your wife I can’t make it this week. And give my regards to your daughter..

    Wow, you’re daughter’s up to like 80,000 hit, you must be so proud. I know your wife said she was…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2zaML6RMug

  • shawn

    @T

    I’ve offered thoughts that could be considered in the future. Training in CQB tactics, part of which means repeat firing probably isn’t a good idea. The faster your rate of fire, the less your accuracy. Maybe training officers to empty their magazines isn’t such a good idea inside a city environment. Buffalo Bill became a legend because of controlled fire, not rapid fire.

    Consider the type of ammo used. ect, ect.

    You don’t want to hear anything but good job. Sorry, but nine wounded isn’t a good job. Mistakes were made. Learn from them, or repeat them and get the negative feedback from the public.

  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell

    Again, proving you are a pedophile piece of shit. And since all of the fellow cop commenters are so supportive of you, they probably fantasize about diddling underage explorer scouts as well. Google the keywords “cop” and “pedophile” and prepare to be amazed at how widespread this issue is.

  • The_Lakewood_4_Are_Burning_In_Hell
  • t.

    @Shawn: Your knowledge of CQB is lacking. Again, sounds like t.v. learning. It unlike you see on t.v., when people get shot they don’t really go flying across the room. And the don’t drop immediately. Or stop being a threat. From what you can see on the video, the officers stop shooting when the murderer begins to fall, and it is apparent that he is no longer a threat.

    Certainly this event will and should be looked at. Maybe the decision will be to give the officers patrol carbines instead of pistol. Probably would have been the same outcome. Who knows.

    They still did what they should ha e done.

  • Common Sense

    @t

    Just like I spoke to jason about, larger caliber rounds with less capacity would be better…

  • barnslayer

    Pathetic. The first job of the police should be to NOT make things worse. Their lack of discretion and marksmanship put 9 innocent people in the hospital. I guess stopping the killer was more important than these people’s lives. Too bad those “collateral damage” victims weren’t family of the police or mayor. Then maybe they’d get it through their heads.

  • Ralph

    NYPD Bumpkins Kill another unarmed Innocent Civilian who was running out of a bodega during an armed robbery.
    The bodega worker brushed against the awaiting cop, and the Glock fired by Accident, killing Another Good Guy!
    It NEVER ends.
    The Glock went off by Accident. Yeah, Right!
    No word on the Innocent Victims who the Cops shot at The Empire State Building.
    And once again, The MSM stops reporting on one of the Most Horrendous NYPD Incidents in recent memory,
    Out of sight, out of mind.
    The MSM, not a peep. Swept under the carpet, as most of these Incidents are. Just the way Bloomberg wants it. Bad for business ya know.
    Disgusting and Deplorable, Absolutely Disgusting.

  • Ralph

    Where is the Federal Oversight regarding the Criminality and the Ineptness and Recklessness Continually Practiced by the nypd?
    The nypd has been out of control for Years, and the Fiasco continues on, as does the bloomberg/kelly Propaganda Machine. And again, where’s the Media??
    Where are the questions?
    Bloomberg shuts up all reporters who attempt to ask questions re these Incidents, and their bosses shudder at any dismay bloomberg shows, They all have their noses up bloomberg butthole. And the BS continues, and the Lives of Innocent NYC citizens continually are snuffed out by not only the Lunatic Rampant Criminals in NYC, of which there are Many, but from the Lunatic nypd, who really excell in the killing of innocent, unarmed nyc citizens.

  • Stubby McGee

    The cops dun fu#ked up!!

    Look at the Facts…

    The man Killed his former boss, ONLY his former boss and nobody else in the whole City…

    He then put the weapon away and escaped even though his Identity is Known…

    a Security Guard followed him and pointed him out to Police…

    Cop confront a man they know is ARMED on a BUSY street and fire off shots almost blindly.

    Shooting 9 innocent bystanders; that would never have been in harms way if the cops had not pressed the man. They should have simply went to his house and arrested (or murdered) him in his house instead of in a crowd!

    So YES, the Copd ‘Dun Fu#ked up!!!’

    A Ricochet can kill as easilt as a direct hit so ‘splitting hairs’ about who was shot and who was hit by a ricochet is complete BS.

    The cops ‘not having fired thier guns on patrol’ simply means they have never been in that situation. AKA inexperianced… AKA dumb Fu#ks over reacting! AKA ‘Dun Fu#ked Up!!!’

    The Courts have proclaimed that cops are not under ANY obligation to put themselves in danger to assist anyone, that means, to me, that they have NO Right to use deadly force any more than ANY other citizen!

    Yep, the Idiots ‘Dun Fu#ked Up’

  • randy

    well im sorry to say this but i would not trust a nypd with guns. i was in the army and i served two tours to iraq. there was a incident where we hit a IED and the person who did it was there with in 400 meters away. the area was crowded and my one shot one kill was perfect. no other civilian casualties two members of locals malitia group was down. these two cops either trigger happy or they just can’t shoot. to get one person they had to injure 9 others is bit ridiculous.