Shots Fired During FBI Warrant Search in District Heights

Published On November 17, 2012 | By CopBlock | Articles

The following was posted on November 15 at wjla.com.

An early morning FBI raid has a District Heights family in fear. The agents came into the house and drew their guns at the family’s daughter, but she wasn’t armed.

“They almost hit my daughter, man,” says Emory Hughley. “If I hadn’t told her to go back in her room they probably would have shot her.”

Hughley says he was asleep in the basement when he heard a bang at the front door. His 18-year-old daughter Myasia was upstairs in her room with two friends who were spending the night. Around 6 a.m. he says he came up to the living room and saw 15 FBI SWAT agents coming inside, guns drawn.

“I’m shouting ‘Nobody is armed, nobody has a gun!’ and then all of a sudden I heard ‘She’s got a gun!’ and they just opened fire,” he says.

Hughley says he looked up and saw his daughter standing outside her bedroom in the hallway. Then he heard gunfire.

“I’ve got eight holes in my wall. One bullet went past my head, almost hit me, ricocheted off my brick wall and some of the shrap metal hit my little daughter in the back of her neck, all for nothing.” says Hughley.

Myasia was treated at a local hospital for a flesh wound and released. The Hughley’s say none of them were armed an in fact, none of them own guns. They were never told why their home was raided.

The FBI has only said agents from the Baltimore field office were there exercising a search warrant and shots were fired. Neighbors in the quiet District Heights neighborhood heard the gunfire and were stunned. There have never been any problems at the home.

“This is so surprising because nothing ever happens around,” says Raymond Duckett.

“They tried to kill her,” says Hughley. “They tried to kill my daughter.”

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  • John Q Public

    From the Maryland Gazette:
    A shot was fired at a home in District Heights while FBI agents were executing a search warrant Thursday morning.
    Agents arrived at the home in the 6700 block of Kipling Parkway in District Heights to execute the warrant between 6 and 6:30 a.m. when a weapon was fired, said Agent Shayne Stein, of the FBI’s Baltimore Field Office.
    Stein said he believes the weapon was fired by an FBI agent, but could not immediately confirm.
    As a result of the shooting, a female resident was transported to the Prince George’s Hospital Center, where she was treated and released.
    Stein said medical staff at the hospital said they determined the female’s injuries were not from a gunshot wound, but rather a fall or similar type of incident.
    She said she did not know the woman’s identity or details surrounding the search warrant.
    By 11 a.m., federal agents and Prince George’s County police were still at the home investigating.

  • shawn

    This is the problem with raids. They are so hopped up on adrenalin that they are ready to shoot at the drop of a hat.

    And what gives with not telling someone why they are being searched? I thought you had to actually serve a warrant, showing what and why you are searching.

    What empowered them to have secret warrants that even the people being raided can’t see?

  • underoath

    Generally people are not advised that its coming for the purposes of evidence preservation.

  • certain

    Lead how to read, brainiac.

  • shawn

    @underoath

    I can understand not advising. I can see that now. “We’re coming in two hours to see if you you crack.”

    But afterwords, there is something fishy about not producing a copy of the warrant for the residents of the house as to why they were just raided.
    Especially if you found nothing. There is no accountability in secret warrants that no one can challenge.

  • shawn

    Oh, if they found nothing, what was it that put these people past the point where the officers decided they HAD to use SWAT to raid the house?

    We keep hearing that there is some kind of system to decide who is so much of a threat that SWAT use is essential. As far as I can tell, with raids on people who aren’t even arrested, that deciding factor is they have a pulse and are above room temperature.

  • Bob Washington

    what was the warrant for and was anyone arrested and charged with a crime?

  • shawn

    @Bob

    No one was apparently charge or arrested,and no one was told what the warrant was about.

    As far as I can tell, the only reason they showed up was to take a shot at an unarmed teen girl. And they wonder why people have problems with SWAT raids.

  • t.

    NO…this “author” says no one left a copy if the warrant. That’s a long way from no one actually not leaving a copy of the warrant. Sounds like a lot of what the author wrote is different from the truth.

  • PSOSGT

    @shawn, actually depending on if this was a raid team or not, there is very little adrenalin. I’ve been on ERT for years now, and I get very little adrenalin at all. Comes from the constant training we do. Verses from when i did raids before being on ert. I was juiced up then. Willing to bet if you put a monitor on most operators you’d see very little increase in heart rate other than the increase from then jumping out of a truck and running up to a house with all thier gear on.

    so was it 8 shots or 1???

  • Just a regular guy

    B”H

    stop the immoral drug war

    cops are getting killed by it

    civilians are getting killed by it

    it is not good for society

    if some crackhead wants to use crack let them

    if some pothead wants to smoke dope… let them

    don’t make something criminal that people will do no matter what — leads to HUGE increase in crime

    lots of these drugs have been around for many many years

    cocaine was used since late 1800s early 1900s… we didn’t have people in prison for it back then.

    look at prison system now.

    same goes for pot.

    I think anyone doing drugs is an idiot but I think people who get drunk every day are just as if not more stupid… but live and let live

    the swat team member who fired on this girl should be arrested and charged .. found guilty and sent to jail like the criminal he is.

  • Gama Xul

    The only individuals committing crimes in this story is the FBI. If a warrantless raid had been served on my castle, they would have been repelled from the walls and died drowning in my moat. Physical security is king. Dissolve the federal government; reinstate the Constitution. Down with corruption.

  • brandon

    Obviously more police abuse/bullshit but I have found the print media and to some extent TV don’t tell the real story or anything close to it and are more than willing to print the “facts” as given to them by police/prosecutors with no checking or even attempt to research the story. I’m more inclined to believe the actual victim/witness statementstatement than some regurgitated cop story

  • brandon

    Btw seems odd Stein comments on the girls injuries but no attending medical staff obviously because of HIPAA, hope this propaganda agent didn’t violate it

  • brandon

    Sorry on a roll but its sad possrgt is so use to home invasions he & his buddies don’t get even slightly amped up when getting to play commando with all the dangerous people out there needing to be taken down with mil tactic, I bet the circle jerk with masks, are 15s & full BDUs gets ur blood up a little

    If you aren’t worked how do so many people. And animals that pose little/no threat to u big tough guys get shot? Maybe just a lot of psychopaths on the wrong. Side of the badge?

  • t.

    Worked SWAT for a long time. Its like SGT. said. Then when I moved working drugs / vice I started writing the warrants. I wrote warrants for drugs, guns, sex crimes…no knockso name it. @Brandon you are wrongly thinking that there are lots of shootings or other violence incidents during warrants. While I have been at SWAT incidents where there have been shootings…none of those were search warrant being served. I actually left the team due to the commanders always insisting on “kicking in the door”. They wouldn’t explore other options. When I wrote the warrants (notcounting the no knocks) I chose not house them for that reason. But of the thousands of warrants that are served everyday….it is the rare incident where something happens at all. That’s why SWAT used. To keep anything from happening. You are believing that the few things you here about on sites like this that report nothing but extreme bias, are the rule and true. It isn’t like that. There are MILLIONS:of police interactions every week. Most with no “physical” issues at all. You are believing what you are being sold.

  • certain

    Yep, there’s reasoning and an excuse for everything, isn’t there? What will be really, really, funny, is when it comes out that this was another HOME INVASION caused by some snitch telling the cops that there was a dope seller in the house. That’s if it doesn’t come out that they had or read the wrong address on the warrant. Glad this pack of morons didn’t hurt the kid.

  • 2minutes

    PSOSGT and T admit that they are/were calm, with no signs of agitation or excitement, when involved with SWAT raids, and assert that that is the usual situation for the officers involved in these incidents, due to training and other such self-affirming machinations. I find that hard to believe; but O.K., let’s examine this statement. At its core, it means that in every SWAT raid that is the wrong house, or where an innocent person is injured or killed, the officers involved were thinking clearly and, in fact, made a calm and calculated decision to invade the wrong home and/or assault, or even kill, the wrong people. And still they receive the benefit of qualified immunity. Huh. That seems even worse now in light of this information; it’s acknowledging that the police are
    deliberately terrorizing/vandalizing/killing innocents at times, and
    are allowed to do so. With immunity.

    There are millions of police interactions every week,most with no physical issues at all, it is the rare incident when something happens, huh? first, most of those interactions are self-fufilling
    prophecies; i.e. stop-and-frisk, or a DUI checkpoint wherein an officer stops someone who is doing nothing wrong, just to satisfy the officers curiosity, or suspicion, or perversity, or whatever. The majority of those stops result in nothing. Sure, you find a few,
    relatively speaking, who are doing something ‘wrong’, but the
    majority are innocent. Let’s take DUI as an example. There are millions and millions of drivers on the road daily, and the number
    of drunk driving accidents, in relation to the number of drivers on
    the road, is minute. So minute as to be extremely rare. Yet still
    the police set up DUI checkpoints, and stop and search drivers
    suspected of being under the influence, with stiff penalties if caught engaging in drunk driving. All in an effort to prevent an
    action that is, especially by the definition presented here, rare.
    Because the end result, that is, the harm caused by these drunk drivers, is considered to be too great to allow this relatively
    rare activity. Yet, when complaints are leveled against the
    perpetrators of improper home invasions (the police), especially ones in which innocent people are injured or killed, the police are quick to defend the action as being rare, and just a horrible mistake. But that’s the same reasoning drunk drivers use; it was a mistake. In the driver’s instance, he’s going to pay a hefty price
    for his transgression; in the police’s, not. Can someone please
    explain this bifurcated, now-it-is, now-it-isn’t kind of thought process to me? Because it looks like, smells like, and sounds like
    a double standard. And if it looks like a duck…

    To recap: The defense of an improper police/SWAT home invasion is
    that it is a rare occurrence, and therefore the general public
    shouldn’t mind the occasional sacrifice; but the rare drunk driver is a menace that must be stopped at any cost. Even though both have
    the same results: someone innocent might or will be hurt or even killed due to their actions. Because of the potential harm, all
    efforts must be made to prevent the perpetrators of said harm, unless its a SWAT/police/FBI/(insert law-enforcement agency here) team,in which case you should just look the other way and accept that the cops killed your mother/father/sister/brother/dog/ all of the above by mistake because, well, its rare that they do that.
    Really.

    And SWAT is used to keep anything from happening? More like with SWAT involved, something is definitely going to happen, and soon –
    because SWAT is like Sweet Brown: ain’t nobody got time for that.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    I should mention that we are all 800% more likely to be killed by the police than by a terrorist. That is a fact, by the way.

    But I would only do so with the hope that common sense, or any of his alternate names, would assert that 800% of us are criminals that need to be murdered.

  • John Q Public

    Glenn, hang out with terrorists much? That is a bs number. Do we have terrorist attacks every day here? Unless you live in Israel obviously not. There are 708,569 police officers in the US. Do you think there are that many terrorists? Get a grip. And no, the police are not terrorists like most of the copblockers like to believe.

  • t.

    2:
    To paragraph 1: First, while I’ve never been involved a “wrong address” incident, and therefore can’t say that I’ve ever investigated why it happened. I can only speak from experience from multiple sides. My first experience (which was pretty extensive was when I was working “special ops”) was as the frequently sought after uniformed officer to there when the warrant was being served or very freguently to stop a suspects vehicle for a take down or even various types of street encounters that SWAT would need done. Never the wrong guy there or any wrong addresses. Second came my time As a SWAT operator itself. I was the guy knocking and announcing….and then breaching the door, in the over when king amount ofthe titimes (I also carried the shotgun). Again, no wrong houses. Their came my time in drugs & vice, writing the warrants. I (we) extensively investigated the “targets” to include everyone that should be there, photos and video of the houses / apts. / buildings themselves. Never a wrong address (and always found exactly what I said would be there). I say all that to repeat what I said to Brandon….you are thinking the relative few cases / incidents that get reported of a wrong address, or of someone getting hrt are NOT the rule. Its the VERY RARE exception. You, like Brandon, are believing what you are being sold. Thousand of warrants are served everyday. You pick out the handful of ones that go wrong in a year and for some reason want to think that’s what happens all the time…and that…in the nice stay to say it…is stupid.

    Paragraph 2: Now this statement purely idiotic from the start. Very few “DUI” checkpoints take place. Heck, I haven’t worked one in a couple of years. Same goes for your “stop and frisk / search” thing. You for some reason think NYPD leads the way for the country…and that certainly isn’t true. Most police interactions are from calls for service: neighborhood disputes, loud parties, landlord / tenant disputes, domestics, B&E’s, etc… Not your small thinking police interactions. That doesn’t amount to but a small fraction of the time police work in a month.

    3: Wow, this ones pretty dumb too. Drunk drivers are a MAOR problem in most / all communities. Thousands of drunk drivers are arrestedeery day. And that noevn win involved in the drivers that are impaired via other drugs. Checkpoints are a long shot, very true. But what “search” are you talking about? Courts have ruled over and over that the minimal intrusion doesn’t even come close to a violation of your “rights” under the 4th amendment. But wow, you missed big time with that statement.

    Recap: Where to start. Let’s go to the easy one first. The police / government, when they do something wrong are held liable. Police who do something criminally wrong are absolutleyheld accountable all the time…I would offer up the web site “Cop Block” as evidenceof this. They post stories all the time about police who do something wrong bbeing arrested. Should the pulic accept it? No and yes. Nothing and no one is perfect. But there are lots of very dangerous criminals out there that would hurt / kill you in a second if they had too. The police try to stop that if they can. In your naive little world, where you see nothing other than what’s inside your car, and think only of self and “your rights”, you apparently can ignore the pain and suffering of others….inflected intentionally by those who wish profit from that pain. The “founding father” recognized this and therefore put in place a system / way form the government / police to try and assist. Do mistakes get made? Of course. No one isperfect. But a search warrant is review at multiple levels before issued. Mistakes happen and they are horrible…and regrettably tragic at times. But you are still, for some naive reason thinking that it is somehow a frequent occurrance….and that’s not supported by anyone’s math.

  • shawn

    @PSOSGT

    In the end, it doesn’t matter if they were calm or hopped up. They took pot shots at a teen girl who offered them no threat and it is only dumb luck or poor aim that saved her. That isn’t acceptable in a civilized nation.
    If you’re going to yell gun, you better be right and it better actually be aimed at you.
    It is not unreasonable for someone in their house to grab a gun when they here people crash into their home. That shouldn’t be a death sentence on its own. Innocent people don’t expect police to raid their home.

    @T
    You can spout statistics of how few go badly all day long. Does it bring the dead innocents back to life? Do those statistics help terrorized families recover emotionally?
    The last official figure I heard was a few years ago, where it was 15,000 raids a year. And I recently heard a number of 50,000. If only one percent of them are wrong raids, that still means 500 innocent families who shouldn’t have been raided. Statistics are easy because there is no face to the victim, just a number. But when it is a real child screaming from burns caused by a flash bang, or a daughter killed because a cop yelled “gun” and everyone went Rambo on the on a girl with her tooth paste.
    We are real people, not video game or movie characters. You said it yourself. Your former commander loved to knockdown doors. And he isn’t alone. Across this nation, a lot of SWAT teams exist simply for keeping up with the Jones’. And there are a lot of wannabe SEALs working SWAT.
    They don’t explore other options, like picking up the suspect away from home and then serving the warrant. If it is worth a SWAT raid, then it is worth the effort to not have to resort to SWAT at all.

    SWAT is very much like a gun. It is a weapon. And the moment police forget that, is the moment innocents are hurt. Even if no one is killed or wounded, families are still harmed by these raids. When SWAT screws up, they’re families don’t pay the price.

    I’m surprised people who’ve been hurt in these raids or had family killed by mistake have made kill houses for swat. Because I go to church and forgive easily. But if you killed my child, I’d be very tempted to give them their next and last raid, no matter the cost to me.

  • shawn

    @T

    There are a lot of cops who shoot people unnecessarily who aren’t held to account.

    And no one has addressed the issue of a warrant the victims apparently aren’t even allowed to see. How is that Constitutional at all?

  • t.

    Shawn: your right. The innocent can’t be brought back. The innocent citizens hurt by the criminals that the police are there to arrest. The innocent officers themselves. Theres a lot more of these these “victims’” than the ones you are talking about..

    As for your 500 families….bet its no where near that. At least not the “wrong address” thing you are talking about. Now there may be more where what is being sought is not found….but that doesn’t mean the police were wrong or terrorizing an innocent family or person.

    And again…you are Monday morning quarterbacking situations that you know nothing about. I don’t defend every officer or every police action. Why? Because I don’t know what happened. I wasn’t there. But this illusion that you are working under….that OIS’s aren’t very thoroughly investigated is just as false as the other lies on this site. You are confusing what YOU think happened, and what YOU think should have been done with what really happened. Just because YOU don’t agree, or like it, doesn’t mean it was wrong. This story is an excellent example of your gullablity….you are taking as gospel the story of someone who is extremely biased…someone who is wanting you to think he was completely innocent…that he has never done anything illegal. He wants you to believe that a copy of the search warrant wasn’t left (maybe…extremely doubtful). HE is selling it…and YOU are just buying as much as you can.

  • shawn

    @T

    Innocent cops are a concern, yes. But they got a choice to put their life at risk. They can quit if they decide it’s too much. Did anyone ask this teen girl if she wanted shot at by cops that imagine guns in people’s hands? Sorry if this bothers you, but you are paid to take the risks. We don’t pay you so we can take the risks for you.
    What SWAT does is volunteer other to take the risks, by overreacting to everything that might be a threat.

    And the 500 families is at the one percent cops here point to. In actuality, the number of raids that cause emotional harm will be quite higher. I remember a report I read several months ago. Now, the report only focused on the local police, not national. But that town uses SWAT for everything. Less than 25% ended with an arrest, and only 10% ended in a conviction.
    Don’t you think that might suggest over using SWAT? By the time you’re willing to bust down someone’s door, scream and point guns at them, and terrify the kids, you should probably have enough to convict already. I mean, that is a lot to do to someone when you can’t even be sure they are actually guilty of something significant?

    “And again…you are Monday morning quarterbacking situations that you know nothing about.”
    Monday morning quarterbacking is how the real world judges the correctness of their choices. If cops are going to risk our lives, we will have something to say about it.
    You say nothing about the situation. I suggest that as a cop, you don’t face the threat of a ridiculous or mistaken raid against you. That might change as their use becomes more common, for lesser and lesser reasons. Then you might start understanding that the threat is growing.
    SWAT is being used for lesser and lesser reasons. First, they were for emergency situations only. Then it was known violent criminals. Now it has gotten down to a cop claiming he smells pot from the street or the statements of an addict.
    In one case, Fish and Game raided a house because they THOUGHT he might have taken more than 10 bass that morning. Clearly SWAT was essential for such a dangerous criminal.

    Part of the problem are rubber stamp judges. They were supposed to force you to convince them that there was sufficient evidence for a warrant, and especially for no knocks. Now, something as flimsy as a drug users vague description of a house is enough for them. We now hear about ‘intelligence’ that misses the presence of children and doesn’t even find a meth lab. No one in the real world would call such intelligence.

  • shawn

    @T
    ” This story is an excellent example of your gullablity….you are taking as gospel the story of someone who is extremely biased…someone who is wanting you to think he was completely innocent…that he has never done anything illegal”

    Um, unless you have an arrest report on him and there is a trial set, he IS innocent by law. No one was arrested for whatever they raided him for.

  • brandon

    Funny T is such a high minded know it all, he claims police try to prevent all these murders and violence around every corner for us common, defenseless civilians but by his own writings admits police the vast Majority Of the time only respond to reports of crime
    BTW learn some history u Jack booted thug, the founders set up a system for JUSTICE not police, do u even know when/where the first proffessional local police force in this country operated? Maybe u should research why, “police” have never been liked anywhere in the history of the world until the PR propaganda blitz in this country during the 20th century. U ought to worry people aren’t drinking the koolaid anymore & r finally seeing the real izsues with the police state of mind and ur lies.

  • Chris Mallory

    Disarming all government employees would make us all safer. If a government employee needs help arresting a citizen, let him ask other citizens for help. Note, once someone takes government employment, they are no longer citizens, they are servants to the citizens. Lower than a citizen, of reduced powers.

  • brandon

    Like it chris, be a rough transition mayhap but is be willing to give it a try

  • t.

    Didn’t say he was guilty. Your entire response…your entire stance and position…is based solely on what someone, who you don’t know, who is telling you a pretty implausible story…(I can maybe buy some his story, maybe, but the not leaving a copy of the search warran, that one just doesn’t ring true)….and you are just eating it up with a spoon.

    As for the traumatized families. Maybe they should thank their criminal loved ones for that. Your reference to your local town. None of the stats you offer means that a) the police were wrong or b) that they shouldn’t have used SWAT. There are multiple factors that go into using a team, and even more into what is a successful search warrant. Shoot, I’ve been there, breaching the door when the main suspect was already in custody. But the unknowns were huge as to what / who could have been there. And your not taking into account alll of the innocent neighbors that these criminals endanger. Overwhelming force (generally just a show of force) keeps those people far safer than just a uniform knocking on the door and hoping everything goes OK.

    But YOU never want to believe anything the police say. But you ALWAYS buy into these outrageous stories posted here. Most of them have been shown to be false, and not showing what is supposes to be there.

    Look at things with an unbiased eye. You’ll see things far different than you currently do.

  • t.

    Chris: that comment is even stupid for you. And that says something.

  • 2minutes

    @t
    Great, you’ve never been in a wrong home raid. But, it happens, and people have died as a result. Excusing it as a rare action, and therefore acceptable, is just another cop(?) justifying an activity that is just plain wrong – an activity that should be, if not is, criminal. It should NEVER happen. Period. Does it happen all the time? No. Does it happen too often? Clearly, yes, and to think otherwise is the pinnacle of stupidity. To attempt to justify it as a statistic is simply the icing on the stupid cake.

    As for paragraph 2: my DUI reference was an attempt to show how the logic you use changes with the circumstances. Police interactions occur from many sources, but a vast amount of them come from the officers themselves initiating contact. From checkpoints, to stop-and-frisk (which is not isolated to New York, by the way), to
    traffic enforcement, to whatever reason the officer feels the need to
    initiate contact, much of it stems from the officer himself. Yes, there are response calls, but as much or more come from the officer’s initiative. Or are terry stops and police discretion not
    in the mix any more?
    My point here is that drunk drivers are a threat, one that can cause serious injury and/or death, and therefore they must be stopped. Common sense dictates this. But, these drivers are a small subset
    of the driving public; the ratio of drunk drivers to all drivers making them rare by comparison. Yet, they need to be stopped. The
    SWAT teams/police making wrong home raids are the same: i.e. a
    subset of the law-enforcement community, causing property damage, injury, and death as a result of their erroneous actions. Thus,
    they also must be stopped. And still, you defend their actions.
    Can you not see the similarities? Are you too close to the truth?
    What, exactly, is the problem here? In both cases a subset causes
    serious problems, but you defend one and castigate the other. Is
    it the double standard yet again?

    #3: A search can be as simple as a visual inspection of the interior of a vehicle; just because the courts rule it acceptable does not mean it is welcome. I was in a DUI checkpoint not too long ago, and
    I waited over an hour to get through it. to me, an hour of my time
    wasted is not minimal. Especially since I do not drink and drive. Ever. But still I have to justify myself to the police, who have no
    reason to believe that I drive drunk. At the same time, these officers involved in the wrong home raids can’t take two minutes to verify an address? I guess it’s only minimal when it’s not a cop’s time being wasted? Again with the double standard, I guess. By now
    it comes as no surprise.

    Do mistakes get made? Of course, on both sides. But, the police are
    law-enforcement, and are supposed to be held to a higher standard.
    As it should be, given the nature of their profession; if the officers can’t be better than average, they have no business holding
    any authority over that average. And therein lies the problem. if the public makes a ‘mistake’ that violates a law, they are a criminal. If an officer does it, its a mistake, and we should
    understand how tough their job is, how hard their life is, boo-hoo-hoo; ad nauseum. The double standard strikes again, what a
    surprise. In your naive little world, to borrow your phrase, a cop
    can do no wrong, or at least no wrong that he or she should be held
    accountable for, because, well, just because it seems. 2 incidents:
    a cop mistakenly kills an innocent person, and a drunk driver kills
    an innocent person – the person is just as dead, but in your solipsistic point of view, only the drunk driver should be punished;
    because he’s not a cop? I dunno, you tell me. tell me why it matters why that person is dead, or hurt, and why one deserves punishment and another doesn’t. Because when the perpetrator is a cop, we should understand that people make mistakes, but when it not, then it’s time to go all old testament on him? I can’t see
    the difference between when a cop causes harm to an innocent and when its not a cop that does it, if that’s naive, then so be it.
    At least I’m not trying to defend the unconscionable.

  • t.

    2: Let’s go to #2 first. Of course there are traffic stops. And street encounters (btw…those break down into several types…consensual contacts, RS stops and even PC stops. Not all, and in fact most aren’t “stop and frisk”…and you apparently don’t realize that as you are believing to much of whats on this sites). You are still er wrongly thinking that somehow that is all the police do. Not even close unless assigned to a traffic unit or some street crimes unit (as iI used to be). The overwhelming, OVERWHELMING amount of police contacts / encounters come through 911 calls and subsequent requests for service. That’s where most arrests come from…some one has called about so etching going on. Disturbances, domestics, disputes….whatever. Citizens call looking for assistance, the call because they are afraid (we’ll come back to that later).

    #3: An hour is a long time at a checkpoint, agreed. But what did you have to justify to the police? Produce you license and registration? Again, the 4th that gets thrown around here all the time talks about unreasonable governemet interactions. It doesn’t say “no” government interactions. Why? Because even 200 plus years ago they realized that there needs to be some government intervention at times, and they included a mechanism for that. You can opt out…leave or go off the “grid” and live in a cave if you want. But life here, in the real world is full of very dangerous people. And one of the governments responsibilities is to protect the citizens of the this nation.

    #1: What “double standard” are you talking about? No one excuses anything. I didn’t even try. But you and the other fools here are wanting perfection in an imperfect world. On a different thread, the idiot @certain even said as much. The incidents that you are going on about are a statistical anomaly. Unfortunate and something that should be er happen. But what is your alternative? No search warn? No stress. Let h dangerous cri finals will. T o chan or mid when you’re the victim of one of those criminals. Or someone you love is. I (we) can’t just wait for it to be us or someone we love. We have to look out for all. Its not personal.

    Dude, you are still believing the posting of an “anonymous person” and taking it as fact. YOU blame the police for doing that all the time (btw…legally we can’t take an enforcement action based solely on anonymous tips)…so right there, that’s the double standard you are looking for. You didn’t need to look any further than the mirror. It was right there in front of you. You are the double standard.

  • shawn

    @T

    Regardless of anything else, they shot at someone who didn’t threaten them. That is not acceptable. T
    Seeing imaginary threats is becoming a common theme with LE. The 18 yo kid shot during arrest of another suspect, woman shot in her own yard, the medical examiner’s report in that suicidal kid’s death not matching the cop’s story, the store clerk running from a robber, ect., and now this.
    Too quick on the trigger.

  • JT

    Before you go spouting off that police are not terrorists, remember some of us are watching,reading and remembering what some in your little elite group are saying, and while it may only be a few making comments like these, you who stand by and allow it, pushing people and scream move back while someone is tortured are just as guilty.

    “I swear to god man this little bull crap you pulled has me so hot,” the officer said. “You know what I should have done? I tell you what I should have done. As soon as I saw your gun I should [have] taken two steps back, pulled my Glock 40 and just put 10 bullets in your ass and let you drop. And i wouldn’t have lost any sleep. Do you understand me?”

    Ohio Patrolman Daniel Harless

    (1 of 2 times he made threats)

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Gabe Suarez, who spent 12 years as a police officer in Santa Monica: “When I was on [the] SWAT [team] our view [was] that ‘We will always win….even if we have to burn down your entire house by bombing it….we will win’.”

  • shawn

    @T

    Oh, and forgot the cop who killed another cop.

  • JT

    Never forget: Police are trained to see Mundanes not as citizens whose rights must be protected, but rather as a threat to be subdued and an enemy to be conquered.

  • shawn

    @JT

    If you’re talking to T, he understands harless better than we do. He was put in danger by the suspect. What that danger was, i don’t know, since no one threatened him in any way. And he threatened the driver if he spoke.

  • t.

    @Shawn: ACCORDING TO A AN ANONYMOUS POSTER !!! You are believing someone…that you don’t know…about something which there is no evidence. Again, you believe everything you are told.

  • shawn

    @T

    Do you have something to add to the story, or do you automatically disbelieve non-cops?

    And there is a link to an ABC news station at the beginning. And JQP posted another report. Sorry, but this one looks as straight as the cop who shot the drunk burgler.

    They shot at her.

  • shawn

    @T

    The story is posted here by a copblocker, not from a copblocker.

  • T

    @shawn: dude, you accept nothing from any ” official” report or statement. But you will readily accept anything posted here or elsewhere that is against the police or fits in to your anti government position. As for the rest of it, I just look at it through some very experienced glasses. The FBI didn’t leave a copy of the warrant. Doubtful. Search warrants don’t mean arrest warrants….very different things. On report says a shot… Your poster says eight. Who’s right? Don’t know. But neither do you. At least I admit that… You think it’s fact. Maybe it happened just as posted…but your poster, mr anonymous, could have read the newspaper and gotten his “facts” from there. But it’s always funny how these super innocent folks that always seem to always know about this site and always post here. Funny that.

  • Tim

    All I can say is God help anyone busting down my door or breaking a window to enter my home. I am firm believer in the 2nd and will not hesitate to use deadly force to defend my family, whether it be a home invasion robbery or errant LEO who can’t read numbers on a home or warrant. Both use the same tactics and both will meet the same resistance.

    Really, is it so freakin hard to ring the door bell and give a few seconds for someone to actually make it to the door.
    If you think they will meet you at the door armed chances are you will be met with even more resistance if you bust it down, flash bang, and cap the family pet.

    I don’t recall them shooting a pet in the raid above but maybe the family did not have one.

    If there is a fear of evidence being flushed, it is nothing to net the sewer line to catch anything that gets flushed, geez.

    I know ringing the bell, netting the line, maybe even surrounding the home and making contact from outside is not as exciting as a dynamic breach but in the end, I am thinking the general public as well as LEO who get to go home to their families at the end of their shift might like it.

    Please don’t confuse the above with say, a hostage situation or something like that, which is sort of what SWAT was created for.

  • http://yahoo larry

    It is a good thing that she didn’t have a cphone or any thing else in here hand. They would have emptied their guns into her. Killing her for sure. Again. To serve and protect my ass.

  • certain

    You know you guys are arguing with a security guard, right?

  • shawn

    Mr annonymous didn’t write this. He found it. Link at the top. It is a regular news artical. No one seems to be contesting they shot at her, or that she was unarmed.

    As for official reports, i am always suspicious of such reports because said officials are motivated to cover their ass. They will not assume responibility for anything. And how many officers have been brought up here who lied in their reports and got caught?

    Internal investigation is an oxymoron.

  • shawn

    @Certain

    I’m not sure if you meant that negatively or believe I somehow have real law enforcement experience. Neither is true. Being a guard doesn’t make me an uneducated moron, nor is it even close to Law Enforcement. It is just a job.
    Security training is primarily to drum it into the heads of wannabes that they are not cops. I have more in common with a mercenary than a cop. I enforce my employer’s will, within the law. I don’t enforce law.

  • Common Sense

    Of course those inside had ‘no idea’ why the FBI would be at their house.

  • shawn

    @Common

    “Of course those inside had ‘no idea’ why the FBI would be at their house.”

    Ya, because we all know the FBI couldn’t possibly make a mistake. Clue for you. No one was arrested. So they found nothing worth finding. Why does that part always get overlooked? They were looking for proof of a crime. If they had found any, they would have made an arrest.

  • http://suijurisforum.com indio007

    An epidemic of isolated incidents….
    http://www.cato.org/raidmap

  • Common Sense

    You must understand a search warrant and an arrest warrant are to separate things. A search warrant is typically for property, not people.

    No one ‘has to be’ arrested during/after a search warrant.

  • shawn

    @Common

    No, but they are searching for evidence to justify an arrest. Or do you think they’d walk away from a drug lab without arresting all who are there? If tbey find something, you’re getting arrested.