Why I Don’t Like The Police

Published On December 20, 2012 | By CopBlock | Articles

The following was submitted by ‘Monkey.

Pro law enforcement people wonder why people don’t like the police. These guys are heroes, they say. They are out to protect you. They are the good guys.

Are they? Looking at recent cases it seems like “officer safety” trumps EVERYTHING. A cop can gun down a chihuahua and it gets dismissed as justifiable. They can shoot a guy in his own home cowering in a corner holding a golf club and that is deemed justifiable. Since WHEN did the attitude become that the job of police officer be so risk averse that cops can shoot anyone or anything given the slightest provocation?

I’ll tell you what else I don’t like. There are two sets of rules. One for them, and one for you. You keep hearing about “officer safety” in all the bogus cop shooting incidents where the cop is ALWAYS cleared of any wrong doing; yet, if a civilian with a concealed carry permit were in exactly the same situation, they would be punished – sometimes harshly.

Take Todd Blair, the guy who was killed holding the golf club. If you went into someone’s house, no matter WHAT the justification, and shot them while they were cowering in a corner, then tried to claim you did it for your own safety, the judge, jury, and prosecutor would all laugh you right into a prison cell. The FACT that you NEVER EVEN TOLD HIM TO PUT IT DOWN, just like the cop did not do, would further damage your case. That the guy you shot was a crackhead would mean nothing. Put on a UNIFORM and work for the state and it’s all “attaboy, good job”, no charges filed.

Imagine what would happen if some small to mid-sized dog growled at you and you shot it. Think, “I was in fear for my safety,” would cut you any slack?

There was a recent case where New York cops got into a shootout with a psycho. Some bystanders got accidentally shot by the cops. Most people understood in a bad situation like that it can happen, so no one condemned the cops. But here’s the deal. Citizens ARE NOT afforded the same slack. A gun owner is told he is going to be held responsible for EVERY BULLET fired, so in the very same situation a citizen could, and in a liberal state, probably would, be prosecuted. How is this fair? It’s somehow OK for a supposedly trained police officer to hit innocent people in a gunfight, but a citizen is supposed to be able to shoot like Annie Oakley under the very same circumstances.

Whenever some cop is busted doing something truly heinous, you always hear the old adage. “every barrel has a few rotten apples,” from either the media or some cop spokesperson. That’s just the first part of that saying, the rest of it is, “A few rotten apples spoil the whole barrel.” This is exactly the major problem with the police. You are supposed to get rid of the rotten apples but far too often this does not happen with the police.

You have a “thin blue line” balls to ass-cheeks circle jerk culture where they cover up for each other. There are many cops that do their jobs in a professional manor. There are even some that do so well they could be referred to as “great cops.” I would argue that no matter how well an officer preforms his duty, he is ultimately a lousy cop if he fails to report bad behavior from the rotten cops. The problem with that is any cop who violates omerta gets ostracized from the force. He could wind up getting a shit detail in the worst neighborhood, and them have no one show up when he calls for backup. The blue wall of silence is bad business, yet it is the culture all cops operate under.

It seems to me that most of the REAL good cops get drummed off the force as a result of this culture. They are literally, too moral to be a police officer.

And therein lies the problem…

 

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  • t.

    @monkey: I appreciate you honesty. A very rare thing around here. I think you have some good points, isolated incidents, but good points. A out some of your ideas I think you are wayoff base though.

    Your shooting iincident about the guy with the golf club. I worked SWAT for over five years. When in heard about it I was neutral on it. I couldn’t believe that the PD put out that video to show that it was a “good shoot”. Now I still kept in mind that there is always the heat of battle so to speak. But as member of a tactical team…you should be that much more calm and sure about what’s going on.

    But a lot of the rest of it…you miss. The dog example. So would you stand and get bit? Wait until its mauling you or someone else to shoot? I’ve been bitten twice while n duty. In retrospect, both times I exercised far to much restraint….because unlike another point of you missed on, I am accountable if someone else gets hurt. Maybe not criminally so (unless it was grossly negligent or recjless) but certainly accountable. That same standard is what “non police” are judge by as well.

    Your thoughts about the “thin blue line” aren’t quite right either. Every group of coworkers develops tight bonds. Its natural. And while the concept you laid out may still exist in small numbers…the widespread idea of that is long long gone. The thoughts that it is still a strong idea is perpetuated by those who doing like, and more often understand, what happens in an incident. I will point to a great many of the videos and stories posted on this site. People taking a small price of information and screaming that the pro.ice acted wrongly. Here, we are very limited as generally we are at best getting one side / point of view into an incident. The on scene investigations take that view as well as interviews with the participants and other witnesses. We don’t get that…so its got to be a cover up right? Or an officer gets disciplined and you don’t hear about it…so nothing was done right? Clearly, no.

    So while I can appreciate the honesty, and even respect our differences, I hope you’ll understand that all of your ideas and thoughts aren’t true.

  • certain

    Exist in small numbers???????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

  • certain

    And what he says is dead on. Friends investigating friends does not produce anything that even remotely passes the smell test.

    The concept of “professional courtesy” says everything anybody would need to know about cops enforcing laws on other cops.

  • thinkfreeer

    You’ll shoot a dog just being aggressive when you have mace and a taser?

  • T

    Thinker: I won’t get bitten a third time. I have peeper sprayed dogs ( I don’t know of a department that still carries old fashioned mace) from behind a barrier and it works to a point. Never tased one though. Maybe from behind a barrier. But just like with humans, the effectiveness changes with the level of aggression. And if its your child about to be mauled…which would you prefer I try?

  • shawn

    Pepper is barely effective against people, and will likely just piss a dog off. I’m faily comfortable with dogs, but i won’t screw around with one threatening me. But cops do shoot dogs in situations where it is unnecessary or silly.

  • Zapeee

    t- i have no idea what you are trying to say- i guess as a cop you feel you need to control everything so you need to kill the dogs around you because they might bite someone some day.

    needless execution of peoples pets out of general disrespect or a desire to punish the pet’s owner is WIDESPREAD.

    i guess you never heard about Deputy Donald Loveland araigned in Bennington Vt court for shooting his neightbors dog which crawled off into the woods and died, or the spartanburg SC deputy who illegally entered Richard Woodruff’s yard and shot his chained dog in his own yard, or Judy Allen of CLarksville, TN whose dog was shot while chained in it’s own yard, or Dierdre and Charles Wright of Des Moines dog who was shot by police when they got tired of trying to catch him. he posed no threat to anyone.

    taken from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/cop-shoots-dog-puppycide_n_1446841.html

    shooting the animals as a matter of procedure is also dangerous. During a 2008 raid in Lima, Ohio, one officer heard his fellow officer shooting dogs in the home and mistook the shots for hostile gunfire. Thinking he was under attack, he opened fire at shadows coming from an upstairs bedroom. In that room, 24-year-old Tarika Wilson was on her knees, as she had been instructed, with one hand in the air and her other arm holding her year-old son. Wilson was killed, and the boy lost a hand. During a 2007 raid in Stockton, Calif., a police officer inadvertently wounded Kari Bailey, 23, and her 5-year-old daughter Hailey while trying to kill the family dog. (The police had shown up at the wrong address.) Last month, one officer firing at pit bulls in Minneapolis accidentally shot a fellow cop.

    i guess what really bugs people about this disregard for dogs is that just about everyone loves dogs, even cops, so if they can be this cruel to a dog, what would we expect them to do to someone who doesnt put up his hands fast enough?

  • Zapeee

    @shawn
    if you are familiar with dogs then you know sometimes they put up an aggresive front when they dont know you, but dont bite. its surprising that cops, who by getting their gun and badge seem to know everything and can predict what people and animals are thinking, find it necessasry to kill so many innocent pets when postal employees, who come into contact with pets far more often, almost never feel the need.

    keep up the good work on the force t, i’m sure you will get your chance to shoot someone that doesnt respond fast enough someday.

  • shawn

    @T

    From the outside looking in, the TBL is looking alive and well. Many of his statements are bang on. A cop’s fear has justified and excused a lot of shootings that would send anyone else to prison. A cop doesn’t need any physical evidence to back up his action. Officer safety has become a religion.

    “Now I still kept in mind that there is always the heat of battle
    so to speak. But as member of a tactical team…you
    should be that much more calm and sure about what’s
    going on.”

    In a civilian world, heat of battle is no justification. If they can’t control themselves, don’t do swat. Cops are paid to take the risks, not innocent bystanders. And the person you kill may be guilty of nothing but being frightend by a surprise raid. But if swat sees a gun in his hand, they just kill. Helk, they see guns that don’t exist. Remember tbe teen girl they shot at? Because obviously the citizen must take all the risks to keep the cop safe. Forget that the cop had a choice.

    No, this article was bang on accurate.

  • shawn

    @Zapeee

    I am very familure with agressive dogs. My dog enjoys scaring the hell out of the ups man. And he nearly crapped himself when the dog broke the window. The dog froze, because this wasn’t part of the game.

    But if i don’t know the dog, i’ll assume he means harm. That doesn’t mean i’ll shoot, as that can piss him off, but i will see to my safety before worrying about a dog.

  • shawn

    @Zapeee

    To defend T, he left a swat team that he felt was used too easily. I don’t agree with a lot T believes, but i don’t see him as wanting to kill.

  • thinkfreeer

    If it’s my child about to be mauled I’ll shoot the dog myself, you are welcome to do the same as long as we’re on the same side of the dog . I was curious about the choices. I have seen stories where a cop was in someone’s fenced in yard (for whatever reason) and shot the dog, who would of course be defending his territory. That seems wrong to me, unless they are there to act on a crime in progress.

    I think the police are different in different areas. I just can’t picture one of our town’s cops shooting a dog. In smaller towns like mine it’s a different story. My interface with local cops is usually pretty good. I have, unfortunately, had direct experience with excessive cops elsewhere. I have been (IMO unjustifiably) yelled at by state troopers. I understand the whole top dog thing, but please. I find if I just remain calm and respond reasonably they calm down pretty quick. Not that I’m going to help them prove my guilt if it’s because they pulled me over for something. I think you should expect to have a difficult time if you give the cop shit. But there still are some who are over the top even if you are being reasonable. For them, we go before the judge.

  • John Q Public

    Think, I think that was a pretty good statement.

  • T

    Thinker: good thought. But you aren’t everyone. And what if its some unknown pit ill that wanders onto the playground d at school? Should I just wait until it starts mauling kids?

    @shawn: I can’t say anything other than no. This site has story after story of the police clearly policing their own, invalidating your point. And then you are still looking at limited, isolated incidents to try and build a larger point. Again, the math just doesn’t bare out what you are wanting to show.

  • PSOSGT

    I love these rants!!! Of course for every bad cops story would could probably find 100 good ones..but whatever.

  • PSOSGT
  • shawn

    @PSOSGT

    While I won’t pretend they didn’t take a risk, cars don’t explode like they do in the movies. The most likely bad outcome would be that the fire would force them away from the car.

    And do remember that good acts don’t erase bad acts, though I have nothing to accuse them of personally. Good acts should be applauded, but but acts must still be punished.

    And I’m pretty sure your numbers for bad cops and good cops is off. While not all cos are Officer Harless or the the guy who forced the teen girl to strip, very few are Andy Taylor. Most are somewhere in between, with a little corruption coloring their choices.

    Believe what you want, but I live a very clean life and still know better.

  • in.S.O.L.

    You know what Sgt. people put their lives on the line everyday in America, for a paycheck. They aren’t afforded any special privilege, or extra rights. They do it for the same reason you do. Bills. Ive hung structure with the Ironworkers, welded on charged high pressure steam line, and spent the last two years coal mining underground 400 ft. deep. Only mining because its the only thing that pays near what I made on the road. Right, traveling! Full Time! Never home with my family. Why? A paycheck. If you don’t like it, QUIT! Otherwise don’t expect me to shit myself over these leos pulling off this “daring rescue”. LOL!

  • in.S.O.L.

    This Just In – They closed the doors on my mine 3 months ago. I’ll drag people out of burning cars all day, for a paycheck. hahaheroslol

  • dougo

    when you can,t command respect,demand respect.or shoot.

  • Sebastian

    Whenever I read about a cop taking a gun into his mouth I know, deep down in my heart and being, that somewhere an Angel has just gained his wings.

    Merry Christmas to everyone everywhere!…except professional parasitical oppressors, of course.

  • T

    Im suuuuuuuper gay!

  • shawn

    @Sabastian

    And i thought i had an issue with cops. You might want to rethink all that hate.

  • SFCRetired

    I’m old enough to remember a time in this country when the police were respected and were, for the most part, honest and caring. All of that went down the tubes with the increased militarization of law enforcement, the increased use of middle-of-the-night no-knock raids, and the plethora of other abuses we see on an almost daily basis. For the record, I do not hate cops on an individual basis, but I utterly despise what their organizations are becoming. To see what I mean, look up Heinrich Himmler and Lavretiy Beria. You might also want to Google “Stasi”.

  • t.

    SOL: Being a police officer doesn’t grant extra rights. We actually voluntarily give up most of ours instead.

    Sebastian: Heres hoping you have a very “blue” Christmas.

  • shawn

    @T

    I’m betting sabastian gets three visitors on christmas eve night. One dragging heavy chains.

    What rights do you see cops giving up? I know there are laws that apply only to your profession, but you aren’t alone in that at all. I’m a simple guard and have that issue.

  • t.

    @Shawn: without dragging it all out again…I give up my rights to peaceable assemble (not all police do…but some of us are clearly prohibited). I give up many of my freedoms of speech. My privacy rights basically don’t exist. As examples: yo can go to my employer and get all of my personnel information, everything in my employment history is open. Yours isn’t. If my neighbor calls and says I’m having a loud party, even if I don’t get cited that night, I’ll likely face disciplinary consequences at work. If that same neighbor claims I’m drunk at home all the time…IA. will go through my trash to find out. No where else do those kinds of things happen. You get arrested, chances are that if you never tell anyone…no one will ever know. Me, in the news and on t.v. And while I know from all of your statements that you won’t believe it…buut everything that I do at work is under tremendous scrutiny. You think nothing is ever looked at and the police just do as they please…but the reality is the exact opposite.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining. I went in knowingly. But the nonsense that you and other put forward…heck its even the tagline for this site…that being a poli e officer somehow grants extra rights or privileges…has no basis in reality.

  • SFCRetired

    Yeah, but, t., if I had screwed up at work, there would be no fellow cops covering for me nor would there have been an “investigation”. I would have been fired on the spot. Had I done some of the things cops have done, and still do, I would have been on a fast track to prison, not on “paid administrative leave”. Nor would I have had someone forcing my employer into arbitration, even when I did work a union job. Please do not try to tell those of us who have been around for many years just how bad cops have it. They don’t and we know it. Oh, and being a LEO is not even in the top twenty of the most dangerous jobs in this country, so you get no sympathy there, either.

  • in.S.O.L.

    That’s what (t) does. Take one statement out of a post and try to “win”. Didn’t you say that to me once? That you “won” the conversation. My point was that cops want to be treated special cause they risk their lives. Big deal!

  • shawn

    @T
    “As examples: yo can go to my employer and get all of my personnel information, everything in my employment history is open”

    Interesting statement, since I’ve seen many instances were police discipline is not made public for privacy reasons. That often leaves me suspicious as to whether there was any discipline at all.

    As for your freedom of speech, on the job you certainly don’t have that. None of us do. If a few departments step on free speech off the job, well that is personally unacceptable.

    “And while I know from all of your statements that you won’t believe it…buut everything that I do at work is under tremendous scrutiny”

    And as for IA, we’ve all seen numerous examples where IA is nothing but a white wash. From your statements, I’ll take it on faith that your department is one of the few who actually think the errors of their officers must be addressed. There are quite a lot of departments that seem motivated to cover any indiscretion, especially a crime, and support officers who misbehave. Harless was given unbelievable support even with the video evidence of his issues. Of course that is Canton OH.
    Don’t forget the long time attitude for ‘snitches’. There was

    As for extra rights and privileges?
    http://www.policeone.com/traffic-patrol/articles/5981343-An-argument-in-favor-of-professional-courtesy

    I’d call that a pretty good unofficial perk.

    “You get arrested, chances are that if you never tell anyone…no one will ever know.”
    The odds of a cop getting arrested for anything short of murder is pretty low. Granted there are stories even here, but it takes a lot before that step is taken. And maybe it IS so news worthy because it is rare. Have you considered that?

    Ultimately, every job has its benefits and costs. And by most people’s standards, cops have it pretty good. Good pay by most people’s standards, some with well over 100k, with excellent bennies. And many are able to play games with OT so they get a ridiculous retirement pension. If you are accused of wrongdoing, or something happens that requires a suspension during investigation, you get full pay usually. I don’t get that. If something happened and I had to be suspended, there would be no paycheck.

    I’m not saying cops don’t have bad parts to the deal, but it is far from a horrible work situation. In that, like all government workers, I think cops are divorced from the reality of the real working world. Gov workers think it is horrible if they don’t get a raise in a recession, while real world workers are thankful to even keep their job.

  • John Q Public

    Shawn, there are tons of stories on this site of cops getting arrested for all kinds of stuff. It seems to be what this site is about.

  • shawn

    @JQP

    Did I not say there were such stories? But there are also tons of stories about cops let off the hook. Like the officer who stole stuff from the evidence locker and instead of being prosecuted or even fired, was allowed to quit so that getting another government lottery job would be easier. And then as an inspector he illegally and idiotically entered a home.

    Do you not remember that one?

  • John Q Public

    shawn, I’m not saying that that doesn’t happen either. To me it seems that this site has gone from accountabily to bashing cops and anything else they don’t like. It seems much more common that cops are arrested and prosecuted than not. Of course, there are quite a few guys who post think that cops need to be killed or treated worse than if an average guy did something. I agree with accountability. I don’t think cops should have extra rights. But, they shouldn’t be punished extra because of what they do. I think punishment should be equal to the average guy who gets in trouble. Does that always happen? No. Besides, who’s perfect? Everyone makes mistakes. It happens. I bet that if a cop had to resign because he screwed up, it would be brought up and scrutinized if he tried to work for another department. Do people slip through the cracks? Of course. But that can happen with any job.

  • t.

    Shawn: Your “numerous examples” of IA “white wash” is BS. You may not like what happens because you heard / read one account of something….kind of like almost everything posted around (ever wonder why theres much much follow up on any of these stories? Its because when the truth comes out…none of it happened like the bias story says it did) but that doesn’t mean its a cover up. OIS’s are a great example. They get examined in far greater detail than even non-police incidents. Multiple independent groups looking at all of it. But you guys never buy any of it. Heck even when its on video…you still don’t believe.

    And as JQP points out, your thought that officer who commit crimes don’t get arrested simply isn’t bourne by this very site. No offense…but really guy, that is a laughable idea.

    As for your punishment ideas. Go sit around in court, pay attention and watch. Listen to what people are charged with, then found guilty of / plea to, and then hear the laughable sentences. You’ll see there isn’t any differences.

    About your work ideas. Wasn’t complaining. Just explaining. And if you haven’t heard…most government workershavent been getting raises and lots have had layoffs / reductions in staffing. I personally know of lots of places that dissolved their entire forces and fire departments and parks are closed. You act like somehow government workers don’t reflect the rest of society. News flash….we are part of society.

  • in.S.O.L.

    The follow up you don’t hear about could be because it can take YEARS to fight in court. Ya think?

  • Shawn

    @JQP

    “shawn, I’m not saying that that doesn’t happen either. To me it seems that this site has gone from accountabily to bashing cops and anything else they don’t like.”

    I’m a little disillusioned to this site myself on occasion. I cringed at the guy bagging about cop blocking his own speeding ticket, and never got a response to my question, “were you speeding?”
    If I found a site without all the ‘freemen’ and other nuts, I’d vanish from here.

    I’m not in agreement that cops are properly policed. As I said, a cop stole evidence and got to walk. Cops kill people with paranoia and walk. A cop who recently ratted out other cops was fired for it, without explanation. Just gone.
    Cops are able to get away with crap that the Miami speed racer a few weeks ago thought it was OK that he go 120 to get to his other job, and other cops trashed her for stopping him. Just the other day we had the 911 cop lie about the teen girl, and his sheriff let him keep his job after making false claims as though all she did was call to cuss. I see cops like Harless, and he gets support for his insane behavior from his fellow officers.
    Again and again I see this stuff. Most of it is minor BS that is simply an act of arrogance. Occasionally people are actually harmed. But however much cops are disciplined, it isn’t enough to get the message through to knock it off. That the laws apply to them too. I see sheriffs trying to bring their guys under control, but the police unions are so powerful even horrible examples of police are allowed to keep their jobs.

  • t.

    SOL: could be. More than likely its because their cases / appeals have no merit.

  • shawn

    @T

    you mean like so many disorderly charges, a charge that now simply means you pissed a cop off?

  • t.

    Yeah, that’s it.

  • John Q Public

    Shawn, I’ve seen similar things like that happen in the Army. We called it “fuck up and move up.” Like a Soldier I knew received a DUI and got promoted anyways or a guy in Iraq that was mistreating prisoners and instead of being held accountable, he was merely reassigned, its not put out in the court of public opinion like it is when a cop screws up. With the Miami thing, yes the trooper got tore up but the cop had to go to court, make a plea, and was eventually fired for his actions. That’s why I’m saying that those things aren’t exclusive to police. It probably goes on in all sorts of professions. But cops get more public scrutiny than anyone else it seems.

  • 2minutes

    @John Q

    “But cops get more public scrutiny than anyone else it seems.”

    Perhaps, but then, not many professions can deprive you of your possessions, your freedom, your dignity, your sense of self, your sense of security (especially in your own home), your health, hell, even your life – all without your having done anything wrong. As Shawn said, disorderly charges for pissing off a cop? That’s not illegal, just annoying. But, the cop gets to cause potentially serious harm with these kind of bullshit charges. A relative of mine, who works in law enforcement, tells me that these king of charges are called POP charges, short for pissin’ off the police.
    Now, how wrong is it that this is not only happening, but recognized in the law-enforcement community as commonplace, so much so that they have a name for it?

    We see it all the time, cops who make a mistake – or, in some cases, simply act maliciously – and someone innocent is harmed, either physically (tasered, beaten, sometimes so severely that a coma or death results), or mentally (stress reactions, anxiety, loss of the feeling of security after a wrong home invasion) or financially (fines, jail time, lawyers fees, loss of income including job loss; confiscation of property without proof of wrongdoing) – the list is almost endless. And the innocent person always pays the price; the cop walks away 99% of the time with an excuse – “the situation was reviewed, and the officer did nothing wrong’ or “it’s a hard job, you’ve gotta understand how tough it is” or some other excuse.
    At worst, the cop gets some time off, the person sues, and the taxpayers foot the bill, while the officer goes on their merry way, secure in the knowledge that it takes an act of God to substantially alter their cozy little position.

    So, yeah, cops may get more public scrutiny than the average, but then again, cops, as a profession, can and do cause more harm to the
    public on a daily, ongoing basis than the average profession as well. With the kind of freedom to indiscriminately target an innocent person, and leverage charges against said person, that a cop enjoys, there should be enormous scrutiny by the public in order to prevent abuses. We have seen too many cases of dishonest cops out there to be able to say that cops are effectively policing themselves, and it has devolved into a situation in which the public
    has to monitor the police in order to protect themselves from police abuse. Otherwise, the next time, it could be a family member, friend, or co-worker who is unjustly accused, beaten, imprisoned, or killed by a cops mistake (or maliciousness). And yes, you can sue (doesn’t do any good if you are in a coma or dead though), but even that is taxing on your time and resources, yet another difficulty caused by the police. Even if you win, the money doesn’t
    recoup the tremendous emotional strain you were put through, nor does it relieve the damage done to you physically – not all wounds heal, especially if the beating was severe enough to hospitalize you; there will almost always be some residual damage.

    With the potential for tremendous harm that a cop can cause, it only makes sense that they get a greater share of scrutiny. After all, isn’t that exactly what the cops are doing with criminals? A criminal causes social harm, and the cops are there to monitor and prevent that harm. So it is with the public and cops: cops can, and do, cause harm as well, and the public recognizes this issue, and subjects the cops to a similar kind of scrutiny. Maybe if the cops would get it together and adopt a no tolerance attitude toward police “mistakes”, crime and brutality, then they wouldn’t have to be scrutinized quite so much. After all, we expect it from our children – the no tolerance policies in schools – but not from out police officers? Why is it that we expect our kids to be perfect but not our cops? How hypocritical is it that those selfsame officers, who want us to understand how difficult their lives are when they make a mistake, are the same officers who arrest our children when they make their mistakes? Is there is a greater expectation from children than there is from cops? Maybe it’s time to hold the police to at least the same standards that we expect from kids.

  • shawn

    @JQP

    I’m sure that cops ans soldiers could have a lively debate on who is held to account better. Remember how this country treated vietnam vets, most of whom were drafted. Peop are more prone to watch those who can directly affect their own lives though. It just makes sense for people to watch cops more closely than a soldier. Not very many soldiers try giving me orders.

    What i rember most in this is the cop who turned in another for taking money to dui husbands in a divorce. Yes, the piglet lost his job. But the fine leo didn’t keep his and never got the support harless got.

  • shawn

    ” After all, we expect it from
    our children – the no tolerance policies in schools – but
    not from out police officers? Why is it that we expect
    our kids to be perfect but not our cops?”

    That is an excellent point. Of course in this instance, i think we need to lay off the kids a little. God forbid one own a GI Joe figure.

  • 2minutes

    @Shawn

    ” i think we need to lay off the kids a little”

    I agree; we as a society expect too much from our children, and not enough from the adults who are, ostensibly, in charge.

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  • Rodolfo Rivera

    Cops are not heroes! You know who are the real heroes??? The firefighter! they are the real heroes! they save your life or help you out when you most needed and the emt. Doctor and Nurse…. The cops they think cause they wearing uniform they can talk to you the way they want it… today morning get a ticket for not wearing my sea tbelt of course the cops got nothing to do just to be fucking around with citizen!

    I don’t like cops at all! and don’t think you a hero cause you are not! the hero is the firefighter! that’s the men or women.

  • Rodolfo Rivera

    Ohh i forget… Cops think they drive perfect! guess what! you are not perfect driving no one does.

  • Corrine

    I was raised to honor cops. However after dealing with the police as the victim on several occasions I feel nothing but contempt for my local law enforcement. My neighbor who is a cop will not even work in our county because it is so DAMN CORRUPT!

    Another neighbor, a forester found plantations of marijuana. The response of the local police was to sit near his driveway and ticket him when he left his house. He finally contacted ATF in Washington DC and there was a major raid.

    Nothing was done about the guy who stole my semi-truck or the woman drug dealer/thief/murderer who terrorized the neighborhood for ten years. The response I got was ‘don’t make her mad’

    Now the Federal government wants to take away citizen gun ownership and leave us to the mercy of armed hopped-up criminals and corrupt police?

    PLEASE get me out of this nightmare!

  • t.

    Move.