Several Milwaukee “cops” Facing Homocide Charges for In Custody Death

Published On January 20, 2013 | By John Freeman | Articles

 

Milwaukee police may have gone too far this time. It appears they beat a man death. But his final 10 minutes on this earth were caught on an MPD dash cam and they are excruciating to watch.

As I’ve followed this story from It’s breakage, I’ve been unable to watch the entire video. I’ll do so after posting this.

According to Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

A special prosecutor is considering felony charges in connection with the death of Derek Williams in Milwaukee police custody in July 2011, according to documents filed late Friday in Milwaukee County Circuit Court.

The special prosecutor, John Franke, plans to ask jurors to consider charges of first- and second-degree reckless homicide and failure to render aid by law enforcement after he presents five days’ worth of witnesses during an inquest into Williams’ death, scheduled to begin Feb. 11.

Those witnesses will include independent medical experts who will likely discuss a cracked bone in Williams’ neck and sickle cell crisis, a controversial condition Assistant Medical Examiner Christopher Poulos blamed for Williams’ death.

The homicide charges are felonies. First-degree reckless homicide carries a maximum possible penalty of 40 years in prison. Second-degree reckless homicide carries a maximum prison term of 15 years. The charge of failure to render aid is a misdemeanor with a possible penalty of nine months in jail.

A felony conviction requires a police officer to be removed from the force. A misdemeanor conviction related to on-the-job conduct also may be cause for firing.

Attorney Robin Shellow, who represents Williams’ mother, said the poten tial charges proposed by Franke will give inquest jurors a chance to fairly hold officers accountable.

“He is allowing the jury to have outrage, apply the evidence and really think about what it is that defines the illegality of the conduct,” she said of Franke.

The documents are the first public indication of the seriousness of the charges Franke is considering against the Milwaukee police officers involved in Williams’ arrest.  Read more…

Feel free to voice your opinion on MPD’s Facebook page. According to the page info “We reserve the right to delete any postings on this site or ban any users at the discretion of the Administrator.”  This basically means they’ll delete any comment which does not fully support all of their “officer’s” actions. I am personally permanently blocked.

MPD employee Mark Stanmeyer runs this first amendment hating page and his number is 414-935-7209.

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  • Common Sense

    A special prosecutor is considering felony charges in connection with the death of Derek Williams in Milwaukee police custody in July 2011, according to documents filed late Friday in Milwaukee County Circuit Court.

    The special prosecutor, John Franke, plans to ask jurors to consider charges of first- and second-degree reckless homicide and failure to render aid by law enforcement after he presents five days’ worth of witnesses during an inquest into Williams’ death, scheduled to begin Feb. 11.

    Those witnesses will include independent medical experts who will likely discuss a cracked bone in Williams’ neck and sickle cell crisis, a controversial condition Assistant Medical Examiner Christopher Poulos blamed for Williams’ death.

    The homicide charges are felonies. First-degree reckless homicide carries a maximum possible penalty of 40 years in prison. Second-degree reckless homicide carries a maximum prison term of 15 years. The charge of failure to render aid is a misdemeanor with a possible penalty of nine months in jail.

    A felony conviction requires a police officer to be removed from the force. A misdemeanor conviction related to on-the-job conduct also may be cause for firing.

    Attorney Robin Shellow, who represents Williams’ mother, said the potential charges proposed by Franke will give inquest jurors a chance to fairly hold officers accountable.

    “He is allowing the jury to have outrage, apply the evidence and really think about what it is that defines the illegality of the conduct,” she said of Franke.

    The documents are the first public indication of the seriousness of the charges Franke is considering against the Milwaukee police officers involved in Williams’ arrest.

    Officers ignored Williams – eyes rolled back in his head and gasping for air – as he pleaded for help in the back of a police car for nearly eight minutes before losing consciousness, a squad car video shows.

    Paperwork filed by Franke does not say which officers involved in Williams’ arrest might face charges. Two officers – Jeffrey Cline, who told Williams, “You’re just playing games” before Williams lost consciousness in the back of a squad car; and Gregory Kuspa – were in the squad car at various times during the arrest of Williams.

    Franke’s decision to consider felony charges stands in direct contrast to a decision by Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm, who not only declined to charge the officers, but also wrote to Police Chief Edward Flynn that the officers’ conduct was neither “unlawful” nor “unprofessional.”

    The Police Department and the city’s Fire and Police Commission, which along with Chisholm had seen the video, also concluded the officers had done nothing wrong.

    Chisholm reopened the case, named Franke special prosecutor and sought the inquest after a Journal Sentinel investigation that prompted Poulos to change his ruling in Williams’ death from natural to homicide.

    Homicide in forensic terms means “death at the hands of another” but does not necessarily mean a crime was committed.

    In making his initial ruling, Poulos did not review video or police reports but instead relied on a detective’s word that Williams had been arrested “without incident.”

    Those reports, brought to his attention by the newspaper, said officers chased Williams and dragged him out from behind a table.

    Then, one officer “ended up on top of Williams,” who was facedown, and subdued the robbery suspect by pressing a knee into his back while he was handcuffed. As Williams lay on the ground, he complained he couldn’t breathe. When officers got him to his feet, his body went limp.

    Williams had been in jail earlier in the day but had no criminal convictions on his record.

    Poulos has since resigned. (Interesting)

    Video sparked outcry
    The video was first posted on JSOnline in September after 10 months of records requests and negotiations with the city.

    A public outcry ensued, with weekly protest marches and demands that the public receive a greater role in holding police officers accountable for wrongdoing.

    Both Chisholm and Poulos had denied earlier requests by Williams’ family for an inquest, in which a jury hears the facts surrounding a fatality and gives an opinion on whether charges should be filed.

    Inquests, designed to help prosecutors investigate suspicious deaths, have been used most often in cases with uncooperative witnesses. That’s because a judge can do what investigators cannot: sanction a witness for not cooperating, grant immunity or force someone to answer questions.

    Critics say the inquest process is inherently biased.

    Under the law, the prosecutor is the only lawyer with a voice in the proceedings. Inquest jurors never hear from the families of the dead or from their attorneys, unless the prosecutor agrees to ask witnesses their questions. There is no cross-examination. Witnesses may be called only by prosecutors, who critics say are inclined to clear officers because they work closely with police and rely on them to build cases.

    Chisholm has never conducted an inquest. His predecessor, E. Michael McCann, convened them any time the family of the deceased asked.

    But in more than 25 years, no Milwaukee County inquest jury has recommended criminal charges against a police officer involved in a fatal shooting or in-custody death, a Journal Sentinel investigation found.

    Bringing in Franke, a former U.S. attorney and judge, has been hailed by civil rights advocates as a positive first step in making the Williams inquest effective.

    Franke plans to begin the inquest by showing the video of Williams in the back of the squad car, according to the documents he filed with the court.

    He may call as witnesses FBI agents, who are conducting an investigation into possible criminal conduct in Williams’ case and into whether the department has engaged in a pattern of civil rights abuses, according to the witness list.

    Franke also plans to call 10 to 12 Milwaukee police officers involved in Williams’ case as well as instructors from the city’s police training academy, who will testify about proper police procedure.

    Franke may supplement their testimony with that of an independent expert in police practices.

    Franke also plans to call both Poulos and his former boss, Medical Examiner Brian Peterson, as well as one to three medical experts, according to the witness list.

    Expert witnesses key
    Attorney Jonathan Safran, who represents Williams’ girlfriend and three young children, has been pushing for months to have independent experts testify during the inquest. That has not been the practice in the past.

    The names of potential expert witnesses have been filed under seal, which means the public cannot see them until the morning the inquest begins.

    Franke’s choice of experts will certainly influence the proceeding.

    Two topics the medical experts are likely to address are whether sickle cell crisis killed Williams and what caused a fractured hyoid bone in his neck.

    Sickle cell crisis has been the subject of debate in the medical community when it is said to occur in people such as Williams, who had the marker, known as sickle cell trait, but not the disease itself.

    Doctors at the National Institutes of Health say people with only the trait cannot die of sickle cell crisis. Some pathologists counter that it can happen in rare cases.

    Poulos listed sickle cell crisis as the cause of Williams’ death in both the original and amended autopsies.

    The revised document, however, says the actions of the officers caused the sickle cell crisis to occur, resulting in a homicide ruling rather than natural. Williams died because of “flight from and altercation with police,” the amended autopsy says.

    As for the cracked hyoid bone, the assistant medical examiner attributed it to officers’ attempted resuscitation of Williams.

    It takes tremendous pressure to break the hyoid bone. The injury occurs in only a third of homicides by strangulation, according to the Journal of Forensic Sciences.

    An expert interviewed by the Journal Sentinel said it was doubtful Williams’ hyoid bone was broken by CPR and added it is an indication that one of the officers may have put him in a chokehold.

    Safran said he was happy the Williams inquest would include experts from outside the Police Department and the medical examiner’s office.

    “I hope they will provide objective testimony so that the family as well as the public has the opportunity to have a full airing of the facts, so a fair and reasonable advisory verdict is rendered,” he said.

    John Diedrich of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report
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    “940.291 Law enforcement officer; failure to render aid.
    940.291(1)

    (1) Any peace officer, while acting in the course of employment or under the authority of employment, who intentionally fails to render or make arrangements for any necessary first aid for any person in his or her actual custody is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor if bodily harm results from the failure. This subsection applies whether the custody is lawful or unlawful and whether the custody is actual or constructive. A violation for intentionally failing to render first aid under this subsection applies only to first aid which the officer has the knowledge and ability to render.

    940.291(2)

    (2) Any peace officer who knowingly permits another person to violate sub. (1), while acting in the course of employment or under the authority of employment, is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

    940.291 – ANNOT.

    “940.02  First-degree reckless homicide.
    940.02(1) (1) Whoever recklessly causes the death of another human being under circumstances which show utter disregard for human life is guilty of a Class B felony.
    940.02(1m) (1m) Whoever recklessly causes the death of an unborn child under circumstances that show utter disregard for the life of that unborn child, the woman who is pregnant with that unborn child or another is guilty of a Class B felony.
    940.02(2) (2) Whoever causes the death of another human being under any of the following circumstances is guilty of a Class C felony:
    940.02(2)(a) (a) By manufacture, distribution or delivery, in violation of s. 961.41, of a controlled substance included in schedule I or II under ch. 961, of a controlled substance analog of a controlled substance included in schedule I or II under ch. 961 or of ketamine or flunitrazepam, if another human being uses the controlled substance or controlled substance analog and dies as a result of that use. This paragraph applies:
    940.02(2)(a)1. 1. Whether the human being dies as a result of using the controlled substance or controlled substance analog by itself or with any compound, mixture, diluent or other substance mixed or combined with the controlled substance or controlled substance analog.
    940.02(2)(a)2. 2. Whether or not the controlled substance or controlled substance analog is mixed or combined with any compound, mixture, diluent or other substance after the violation of s. 961.41 occurs.
    940.02(2)(a)3. 3. To any distribution or delivery described in this paragraph, regardless of whether the distribution or delivery is made directly to the human being who dies. If possession of the controlled substance included in schedule I or II under ch. 961, of the controlled substance analog of the controlled substance included in schedule I or II under ch. 961 or of the ketamine or flunitrazepam is transferred more than once prior to the death as described in this paragraph, each person who distributes or delivers the controlled substance or controlled substance analog in violation of s. 961.41 is guilty under this paragraph.
    940.02(2)(b) (b) By administering or assisting in administering a controlled substance included in schedule I or II under ch. 961, a controlled substance analog of a controlled substance included in schedule I or II of ch. 961 or ketamine or flunitrazepam, without lawful authority to do so, to another human being and that human being dies as a result of the use of the substance. This paragraph applies whether the human being dies as a result of using the controlled substance or controlled substance analog by itself or with any compound, mixture, diluent or other substance mixed or combined with the controlled substance or controlled substance analog.”

    “940.06  Second-degree reckless homicide.
    940.06(1) (1) Whoever recklessly causes the death of another human being is guilty of a Class D felony.
    940.06(2) (2) Whoever recklessly causes the death of an unborn child is guilty of a Class D felony.”

    It will depend on how they define ‘reckless.’

    “939.24 Criminal recklessness.
    939.24(1)

    (1) In this section, “criminal recklessness” means that the actor creates an unreasonable and substantial risk of death or great bodily harm to another human being and the actor is aware of that risk, except that for purposes of ss. 940.02 (1m), 940.06 (2) and 940.23 (1) (b) and (2) (b), “criminal recklessness” means that the actor creates an unreasonable and substantial risk of death or great bodily harm to an unborn child, to the woman who is pregnant with that unborn child or to another and the actor is aware of that risk.

    939.24(2)

    (2) Except as provided in ss. 940.285, 940.29, 940.295, and 943.76, if criminal recklessness is an element of a crime in chs. 939 to 951, the recklessness is indicated by the term “reckless” or “recklessly”.

    939.24(3)

    (3) A voluntarily produced intoxicated or drugged condition is not a defense to liability for criminal recklessness if, had the actor not been in that condition, he or she would have been aware of creating an unreasonable and substantial risk of death or great bodily harm to another human being.

    939.24 – ANNOT.

    History: 1987 a. 399; 1989 a. 56 s. 259; 1993 a. 445; 1997 a. 295; 2001 a. 109.

    939.24 – ANNOT.

    Judicial Council Note, 1988: This section is new. It provides a uniform definition of criminal recklessness, the culpable mental state of numerous offenses. Recklessness requires both the creation of an objectively unreasonable and substantial risk of human death or great bodily harm and the actor’s subjective awareness of that risk.

    939.24 – ANNOT.”

    In the end, I highly doubt a criminal conviction, let alone one that would survive an appeal.

    This inquest will make the people happy. But in the end, and after a settlement in a few years, sadly, everyone but a handful will forget Williams…

  • wiguy

    CS, are you a paid shill?

  • cookie

    This is not the original video. It has been looped to make it appear that he suffered for twice as long as he did. Nice touch, Copblock.

  • 1605

    Commonly Senseless and cookie would call this “accountability”

    Cops need to stop killing people. Just stop.

  • Ray

    Wiguy: CS is not a paid shill, he does it for free. He’s a copsucker

  • Common Sense

    @cookie

    I think your right. Perhaps Copblock, wishing for some credibility, would look into it, as a journalist should.

  • Disgusted

    Murder murder murder ! FTP !

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    Since we are now in 2013, I think I will begin evaluating the posts of common sense and the other trolls. I think the readership might benefit from understanding why such parasites are assigned to this webpage. Looks like all those unconventional warfare courses I took in the military might actually be put to good use.

    The first comment by common sense above would fall into the following category: Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’

    Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’ By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

    SEE MORE AT:

    COINTELPRO Techniques for Dilution, Misdirection and Control of an Internet Forum — http://www.globalresearch.ca/cointelpro-techniques-for-dilution-misdirection-and-control-of-an-internet-forum/5309987

  • Anonymous

    These cops are stupid. Checked his pulse, knowing he is dead and still screaming out SIR.

  • jayduba

    Thanks, Glenn.

  • t.

    Glenn=liar.

    Now, I’m not trying to be a smart ass, but what and where exactly did the police do something wrong here? Looks like crack head guy runs from the poll e which aggravates an existing co edition of his…and the police are at fault?? Really, I’m asking what it is that they officers did wrong because its certainly isn’t evident from this tape.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    Everyone please read the following, then cross-check the statements of t. against the known tactics.

    How to Spot – and Defeat – Disruption on the Internet
    Posted on August 13, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog
    The 15 Rules of Web Disruption
    David Martin’s Thirteen Rules for Truth Suppression,  H. Michael Sweeney’s 25 Rules of Disinformation (and now Brandon Smith’s Disinformation: How It Works) are classic lessons on how to spot disruption and disinformation tactics.
    We’ve seen a number of tactics come and go over the years.  Here are the ones we see a lot of currently.
    1.  Start a partisan divide-and-conquer fight or otherwise push emotional buttons to sow discord and ensure that cooperation is thwarted.   Get people fighting against each other instead of the corrupt powers-that-be.  Use baseless caricatures to rile everyone up.  For example,  start a religious war whenever possible using stereotypes like “all Jews are selfish”, “all Christians are crazy” or “all Muslims are terrorists”.  Accuse the author of being a gay, pro-abortion limp-wristed wimp  or being a fundamentalist pro-war hick when the discussion has nothing to do with abortion, sexuality, religion, war or region.  Appeal to people’s basest prejudices and biases. And – as Sweeney explains – push the author into a defensive posture:
    Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule … Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
    2.  Pretend it’s hopeless because we’ll be squashed if we try.  For example, every time a whistleblower leaks information, say “he’s going to be bumped off”.   If people talk about protesting, organizing, boycotting, shareholder activism, spreading the real facts, moving our money or taking other constructive action, write things to scare and discourage people, say something like  “we don’t have any chance because they have drones and they’ll just kill us if we try”,  or “Americans are too stupid, lazy and greedy, so they’ll never help out.”  Encourage people to be apathetic instead of trying to change things.
    3.  Demand complete, fool-proof and guaranteed solutions to the problems being discussed.   For example, if a reporter breaks the story that the big banks conspired to rig a market, ask “given that people are selfish and that no regulation can close all possible loopholes … how are you going to change human nature?”, and pretend that it’s not worth talking about the details of the market manipulation.  This discourages people from reporting on and publicizing the corruption, fraud and other real problems.  And it ensures that not enough people will spread the facts so that the majority know what’s really going on.
    4. Suggest extreme, over-the-top, counter-productive solutions which will hurt more than help, or which are wholly disproportionate to what is being discussed.   For example, if the discussion is whether or not to break up the big banks or to go back on the gold standard, say that everyone over 30  should be killed because they are sell-outs and irredeemable, or that all of the banks should be bombed. This discredits the attempt to spread the facts and to organize, and is simply the web method of the provocateur.
    5.  Pretend that alternative media – such as blogs written by the top experts in their fields, without any middleman – are untrustworthy or are motivated solely by money (for example, use the derogatory term “blogspam” for any blog posting, pretending that there is no original or insightful reporting, but that the person is simply doing it for ad revenue).
    6.  Coordinate with a couple of others to “shout down” reasonable comments.  This is especially effective when the posters launch an avalanche of comments in quick succession … the original, reasonable comment gets lost or attacked so much that it is largely lost.
    7.  Use an army of sock puppets.  You can either hire low-wage workers in India or other developing countries to “astroturf” or – if you work for the government – you can use hire military personnel and subcontractors to monitor social media and “correct” information which you don’t like (and see this), or use software which allows you to quickly create and alternate between numerous false identities, each with their own internet address.
    8. Censor social media, so that the hardest-hitting information is buried. If you can’t censor it, set up “free speech zones” to push dissent into dank, dark corners where no one will see it.
    9.  When the powers-that-be cut corners and take criminally reckless gambles with our lives and our livelihoods, protect them by pretending that the inevitable result – nuclear accidents, financial crises,  terrorist attacks or other disasters – were “unforeseeable” and that “no could have known”.
    10.  Protect the rich and powerful by labeling any allegations of criminal activity as being a “conspiracy theory”.  For example, when Goldman gets caught rigging markets, label the accusations as mere conspiracies.
    The following 4 tactics from Sweeney are also still commonly used …
    11. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.
    12. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
    13. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.
    14. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
    15. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues — so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
    Postscript:  Over a number of years, we’ve found that the most effective way to fight disruption and disinformation is to link to a post such as this one which rounds up disruption techniques, and then to cite the disinfo technique you think is being used.
    Specifically, we’ve found the following format to be highly effective in educating people in a non-confrontational manner about what the disrupting person is doing:
    Good Number 1!
    Or:
    Thanks for that textbook example of Number 7!
    (include the link so people can see what you’re referring to.)
    The reason this is effective is that other readers will learn about the specific disruption tactic being used … in context, like seeing wildlife while holding a wildlife guide, so that one learns what it looks like “in the field”.   At the same time, you come across as humorous and light-hearted instead of heavy-handed or overly-intense.
    Try it … It works.

  • t.

    You guys do whatever you want but remember……Glenn=Liar

  • wildchild934

    i have been a victim of the same treatment except i did not die, but the “officer” made sure to tell me when he got back in the car after leaving me locked in the backseat for 15-20 mins in florida in august temp was 98 that afternoon parked in the sun with the air OFF that he had done it on purpose! this was on top of the fact that my arrest was harrasment and there was no grounds to arrest me the report they went and talked the victim into giving started off with i “GAVE” [me] a cell phone to sell in a yard sale, note the i GAVE and there was no report of this phone ever being stolen yet I was arrested and tortured by a bully with a badge fortunatly the judge in my case dismissed the charges and made sure this officer was fired.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    common sense (and his sock puppet t.) = admitted, convicted, pedophile rapist

    Former Officer Pleads Guilty To Enticing 2 High School Students Into A Sexual Relationship – http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/01/17/former-officer-pleads-guilty.html

  • cookie

    Let’s get one thing straight. I hate cops, and I’ve good reason to.

    What I am questioning is the reason this video has been looped, that’s all. I made no comment about the cops or their victim.

  • cookie

    If the guy died as a result of their beating (or treatment of him or whatever) then they should at least be charged with manslaughter. The cops in Fullerton, CA didn’t get away with it, and neither should these guys.

  • KAZ

    I am all for police accountability, but this video does not show police doing anything wrong in my opinion. When something like this happens we usually hear a lot about how much of a good person the victim was. After a quick internet search I did not uncover anything that makes this victim out to be a productive member of society. I appears this man was extremely high on drugs and it would be hard for anyone to take him seriously about what he says. It will be a very interesting case indeed.

  • t.

    So no answer as to what the officers did wrong?

    Oh….Glenn=liar

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    The above comment by the convicted admitted pedophile rapist t. fall under the following category:

    12. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

  • http://yahoo larry

    I did not see a beating at all. You want to see a beating? Look at the Kelly Thomas taps.

  • jayduba

    Well T , I just didn’t see the part where they ‘rendered aid’ to the dying man, did I miss it?

  • t.

    W: Really? You don’t see it? Watch…starting at about 8:25 of the tape (which appears to another Cop Block heavily edited version). Do you see it now? Check vitals, give sternum rub (trying to revive). Suspiciously the tape stops as the officers start to get him out of the car…hmmm, wonder why the tapes stops just at that point….hmmm. and as for what aid they can / should render is very depends t on their training. My current department doesn’t even train officers in first aid, let alone CPR (many departments have been for Ed done this road due to lawsuit craziness). So if they aren’t trained….they shouldn’t be doing it. They should call fire / EMS to respond. So, what exactly did the officers do the “murdered”this guy?

    BTW…Glenn=(stupid)Liar. But, in the sense of fairness to Glenn=liar I’ll give him another chance. So Glenn=liar….who am I and when was I convicted of any crime?

  • jayduba

    Did you know you can’t revive a living person? You can only revive a dead one. Maybe rendering aid means to assist before death. Just sayin.

  • t.

    Duba: They would have to know he’s dead first though right? Pretty sensible? And why would they think anything was wrong with him as there wasn’t a fight or as JOHN FREEMAN apparently wrongly reports, no BEATING. It was just a dude in the back seat acting up. Happens everyday in every jurisdiction. And if the bone got broken while they were administering CPR (again, posted video just doesn’t show that part…hmmm) then they did render aid. Just saying

  • jpb

    Allowing someone to suffer and die like this is inexcusable. Instead of making it a priority to see to the well-being of their suspect, they instead continue their never-ending and non productive questioning while he clearly struggles to breathe. All of those on this forum who support this kind of thuggish treatment from those we pay to protect us, are clearly either cops themselves (or families of cops), or you have zero conscience or empathy with your fellow human beings. These goons with badges who go around thinking they’re somehow better than us, they need to be subjected to the kind of abuse that they LOVE to dish out. A couple of cracks upside your thick skulls with one of your little black bitch sticks might make you reconsider….or not. Probably not.

  • jayduba

    ‘Officers ignored Williams – eyes rolled back in his head and gasping for air – as he pleaded for help in the back of a police car for nearly eight minutes before losing consciousness, a squad car video shows.Two officers – Jeffrey Cline, who told Williams, “You’re just playing games” before Williams lost consciousness in the back of a squad car; and Gregory Kuspa – were in the squad car at various times during the arrest of Williams.’ Just another punk acting up. 8:24 in the video, eyes open death stare. Poke him some. I’m surprised they didn’t poke him with a stick. That’s what children do. I guess when the cuffs are on and he’s in custody and unable to do anything but gasp for air, the cops aren’t responsible for a helpless mans well being. If he didn’t want to die, he shouldn’t be a punk.

  • t.

    Duba: Exactly….”acting”. Happens everyday in every jurisdiction. It looks like as soon as they saw he was really in trouble…they responded. Again, you have to take into account that there was any apparent t reason for him to be having this problem. There was any fight or “beating”. There was a young guy who ran and was caught hiding, handcuffed and pu in the car. Why would anyone think it was anything other than an act? Watch the whole thing (even though its been edited) in context and see for yourself. Don’t just buy into what your told to see. See what’s there. Guy gasping, leaning over on seat. Then sits up ok. Repeat several times. Until the last time he didn’t sit up. Again, because the poster tampered with the video we don’t know what happened or over how long. We can’t see what happens after the start to get him out…. Because that ruins the story I’m sure. You are buying what the poster wants you too. See it as it is

  • wiguy

    Ya know what t. you son of a bitch, all of the information is there. Milwaukee Journal has done plenty of articles and it was only because of investigative journalists like them/us that Derek Williams murder was even uncovered. The POS cop”detective” stated initially Derek was taken “without incident.”

    You better watch it. Not because I intend any harm to you but because eventually one of your family members…or kids…or grandkids…or neighbor’s grandkids…will get caught up in the justice system of the 17th free-est country in the world.

    I don’t believe in god but I do trust in statistics. Statistics are coming for you t. 1 in 3 under 23 have been arrested.

    In 100 years, your ancestors will hide your plight in life.

    I wish you the absolute worst.

  • jayduba

    Don’t you mean,’as soon as they saw he was dead?’

  • jayduba

    You have a habit of putting words in my mouth I’ve never uttered. Maybe that falls under rules 14 and 15? I never said anything about a beating. I do however see cops that have lost their humanity and treat every one like scum. We’re all just punks. Right T? Eff’em, run from cops, deserve to die. Oh and I hope you’re an atheist cause God reads your comments. You’ll be quite warm.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    People here not to stop taking the trolls, and their many sock puppet alternate accounts, so seriously.

    I advise we all utilize t., common sense, psosgt, etc in the manner in which they were intended…as urinals! Fear not, because they actually kinda enjoy it when real men provide them with a nice golden shower.

  • wildchild934

    they should have had paramedics at least check him out no skin off their noses to do so, and they still have a LIVE body to arrest! all you cops jumping on here sticking up for the bad ones are a lot of what is currently wrong with our society! KEEP BULLIES OFF THE FORCE!

  • t.

    Duba: I didn’t say you said he was beaten. But the liar who posted the video claims the police beat him to death. Ease up and read.

    You are also talking of things not in evidence in this video, which is all I’m commenting about.

    If I had just chased this guy…and caught him hiding…and then arrested him without any other incident (which is what appears to have happened)….and he started bitching and moaning in the backseat….I would have thought the something as these officers did. He’s faking it. There isn’t any reason (as shown in the video)to think anything else. Now, if YOU have other, additional information that expands on this lie (at least the way this video is presented is a lie), then post it.

    BTW….what are rules 14 & 15? Is that some of Glenn=liar’s crap? You do realize that he has been proven to be a liar right? I’m not just saying that his opinions might be wrong….I’m saying that he has been proven to be a liar. Your choice to follow advice / information that he puts forward would turn you into a liar as well.

    Oh, Glenn = liar.

  • jayduba

    So you’re saying if you’d have been the cop he was still definitely a dead man. Nice to know all about what a good cop you are. Dying = bitching and moaning.

  • t.

    Duba: Well, way to miss the point. You haven’t addressed anything that I told you, but just want to play games. That’s ok. Ignore that there is NO evidence that the officers did anything wrong (at least a cordi g to this post), ignore the fact that there is NO reason for the officers to believe there was anything wrong (maybe its the fact that the video was edited that makes it look so much like the suspect is faking…but it sure looks like he was), ignore that fact that he died from a preexisting condition that is something that is not only NOT readily apparently, but something that is exceptionally rare and not widely heard of. And since you think the source does such a great investigative job, find out if they are trained to do more and what that may be? Find out why the video suddenly ends just as the officers start getting him out of the car to render aid. Find out if there was anything they could have done to counteract this bizarre condition that he had. You are ignoring what is there….and then not caring to find out what possible could have happened. I didn’t post this story and I’m not the one making allegations. Those on your side of the fight have to answer those questions, not me.

  • jayduba

    Again, lots of misdirection on your part. Those on ‘my side’ have video evidence of ‘failure to render aid’. Fact: victim(perp to you) complains he can’t breath , is accused of faking. Fact: victim struggles to breath, sitting up to try to get his breath(sitting up is evidence of faking according to you). Victim passes out and dies(good acting I guess). Fact: police get concerned over Oscar-worthy performance of death scene. Fact: T tries to muddle the facts and cant believe his own lying eyes.

  • t.

    Duba: Where have you ever seen me use “prep”? You are starting to go done the same road to liardom as Glenn=liar.

    I will accept that you may not be real experienced (no offense). But people saying they can’t breathe….are breathing. And people say that stuff all the time to the police.

    And as for the officers not rendering aid. From this video…it looks as though as soon as the officers saw / realized that there really was a problem, they DID render aid. Now because the video has been edited, we don’t know exactly what they did. Sounds like that they pro formed CPR on him as the bone got broken (pretty common with CPR…in fact if you don’t hear some cracking you need to compress harder). But we don’t know, as the poster decided that he only wanted to feed you what he want you to eat and edits the video to not show that part. And you ate it up and ask for more.

    Guy, I think you are thinking that I like that this happened. No. But you are ignoring what this,as you said, “prep” did. He was the criminal that decided to resist a lawful sounding arrest. Even if his resistance was just running away (as it sounds like it was) and he had this strange condition….that was HIS decision. If he chose a lifestyle that aaggregated that condition…that was HIS decision. Now, because of the way this video is presented, its hard to really know what was going on, when the officers were in the car, when they may have beenvery close by the car, what he really looked like (the IR / low light camera dodoesn’t reallypaint a good picture of what he really looked like). So maybe the officers should have reacted sooner. And maybe there is evidence elsewhere to that. But all iI have been commenting on is this falsified video.

  • wildchild934

    t sorry to inform you but if there were no wrong doing there would be no special prosecuter looking into filing charges, cause hey we all know you cop like people would never accuse an innocent person.

  • wildchild934

    t, so sorry to inform you but if no wrong doing took place then there would not be a special prosecutor looking to file charges against the OFFICERS since we ALL know you cop types would NEVER accuse an innocent person,

  • t.

    Umm, no. Grand juries are alomst always convined and the evidence heard in every police related death. The “special prosecutor” is a red herring. The DA doesnt want to be accused of bias so he asked for someone from the outside. Again, there may be more to it, but it’s certainly not in evidence from this video.

  • wildchild934

    t sorry to inform you but if no wrong doing took place there would be no special prosecutor looking to file charges against the officers cause we ALL know you cop types would NEVER accuse an innocent person.

  • Cop Lover

    The courts have consistently ruled that police have NO DUTY TO PROTECT. In reality, they are violent sheepdogs, here only to keep us sheep from getting out of line.

    At the 2011 State Fair in Milwaukee, a mob of teenaged hooligans in the parking lot attacked people exiting the Fair. More than 30 innocent people were beaten, kicked, tackled, etc., and no cops were there to protect anyone. Because of Wisconsin’s strict gun laws, none of the victims were armed, so they were essentially defenseless against the 100 or so attackers.

    People need to understand that cops ARE NOT there to protect you. YOU are responsible for protecting yourself and your family.

  • t.

    @lover: What does that have to do with this discussion? And your understanding of the public duty doctrine isn’t correct anyway.

    @934: Again…in almost every jurisdiction and in nearly all incidents…all police related deaths go to the grand jury (DA’s don’t want to look bias). Not knowing this specific jurisdiction or DA….there could be lots of reasons why he sought an outside DA. There could be conflicts of interest if some kind, there may have been accusation of bias in the past, could be any number of things. That is just a red herring to look at…the author hoping for the exact reaction you gave. “Oh, there has to be something to it…he sought a special prosecutor”. Its like thinking that just because someone complains on an officer that he did something wrong. Or because there are multiple complaints there there is something wrong. It doesn’t work like that. The ACLU went after an officer I know because in their opinion he arrested an unusually high number of Hispanics. After wasting everyone’s time and taxpayer money…the simple answer was that just about everyone in the area that he worked was Hispanic. It would have been unusual if he didn’t arrest a lot of Hispanic folks. The ACLU slinked away.

    But again, if there’s more to it…then there is. I’m just commenting about this video.

  • t.

    @lover: I just had to come back to you again because what you are expressing is just really wrong. The”public duty doctrine” is just that, a doctrine…not a law. Its made up of court decisions about some specific situations. Basically, it’s all about relationships. In your example of the 100 Rampagers. The police have not established any special relationship with any of those people (because unlike the wrong info that is put out on this site…the US isn’t a police state). If on the other hand say I’m in your house concerning a domestic. While I’m talking with you let’s say your significant other shows back up and tries to attack you. If you play that out in all ways it could go…but if I let that person hurt you, after we have established this special relationship…I’m liable (case after case show this type of liability). But let’s say that person doesn’t show up while I’m still there. He shows up while I’m out looking for him atsome other location. And he assaults you. Now, what the cacases in the doctrine show is that I’m not liable for that because I’m not your personal 24 hours body guard.

    So, while you may have some of it right, you are still missing the whole truth of it.

  • wildchild934

    where i live at 85 year old men get flipped and end up with broken necks, young women get slammed to the ground knocking out teeth,[this was caught on security cams owned and operated by the city] another one pushed down stairs and ended up with broken bones their crime,got in a bully cops way and then there is the chief just convicted of covering up a child molestation case for 1 of his buddies right now in the news officer on trial for having sex with prostitutes on the job, oh and lets not forget the cop that turned his dash cam off before he went to drop kick a 65 year old man with dementia in the chest too bad the hard drive recorded it you would have been proud i am sure! i could go on but it depresses me, and you would have an excuse for ALL of them i am sure.

  • t.

    934: can you link any of that? I’d like to know about it. But what…really, what does that have to do with your last comment or mine?

  • jayduba

    Prep? Dyslexia much?

  • jayduba

    When the victim said ‘I can’t breath.’ the cop decided to ignore him. That was the cops decision. Now its time for the cop to pay for his decision. Or is paying for bad decisions only for civilians?

  • t.

    Duba: He was breathing when he said that. Not breath would exclude speaking. Think some.

  • jayduba

    Using the last of your air to plea for help = death. Remember, kids, if your dying, don’t ask for help from T.

  • t.

    OK. You have convinced me. Everyone who gasps around me from now on will be forcibly taken to the hospital for care. (Heck its all obammacare anyway right?). So if I hear you coughing….or a baby crying (they might not be able to breath and are dying by your logic).
    Oh, all of that was brought to you by Sarcasm, buy some today.

    If you look at the edited video….by his account he couldn’t breath for well over 8 minutes. That’s incredible.

    Now, we’ve really gotten of point. I know people really do have breathing difficulties. See it all the time and get them assistance. But I have also seen the actors saying the same thing who are breathing just fine the whole time. As I said earlier, its a shame that this happened. But you have to look at the totality of it. I can only go on this video and some of the other things commented about here. If you have other or iunsider information, post it. I have never claimed that the police are perfe t or infoulable, I’ve also never claimed that there arent police abuses. But when looking at the info available here, and taking into account my experiences…I don’t see where the officer committed any crime. Maybe they are liable for failing to render aid which enough…but with just the edited video to go on…which is suspiciously stopped just as they appear to be getting him out of the car and information that they preformed CPR on him…I don’t even know if your get that far into there liability. He had an extremely rare illness that lead to his death. It wasn’t anything the police did (at least according to the info available).

  • wildchild934

    sorry i could not get back to you sooner but had work to do i am still tracking down some links but here is one of them my opinion and point is this is happening way to often i realize that it is a tough and dangerous job i just wish common sense was the first thing they teach!http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-12/us/florida.police.chief.arrested_1_sexual-battery-windermere-police-department-charges-of-official-misconduct?_s=PM:US

  • wildchild934
  • wildchild934

    here is another really good one at least this poor victim got paid and the officer has been in trouble for the SAME thing since this incident http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-17/news/os-orlando-police-daniel-daley-trial-day-five-20120817_1_officer-travis-lamont-daniel-daley-excessive-force

  • wildchild934

    cant forget this one and SHE had to call 911 herself to get medical aid! http://www.wftv.com/news/news/surveillance-shows-officer-throwing-woman-on-groun/nFCyb/

  • t.

    934:

    1: If the Chief did this, I hope he roasts.
    2: This is the perfect example of irresponsible gun owenership. Everyone wants to always answer every question with a gun. This article already floated through here. Why was his first idea to point a gun at someone knocking (banging) on the door? Ever heard of asking “who is it” before opening the door? And I’d love to know what federal law or even state law requires me to “announce” when I knock on your door (unless it a search warrant…and even then it’s only if I’m forcing entry….remember, the attorney is allowed to lie about everything, they speak little or no truth). Bad example for you
    3: ok, Excessive force. And?
    4: I’d have to agree with the chief quoted on this one. Video doesn’t tell the story. What is the totality of this event? What about the fight. What do witnesses say? Is there any audio? Again, just because an attorney, who is PAID by the side they represent, and has NO DUTY to tell the truth, says something happened, doesn’t mean it did. ( I couldn’t get get to the video on the link, may just be on my side though ).

    So overall you have found a few limited incidents. No one here, and especially not me, has ever said there aren’t police abuses. But as Ive showed folks here before…lets do some quick math
    ***im simplifying this for easier math as its only a demonstration
    If I work for a 1000+man department that has 100 officers working every day on 2 shifts. Now I answer an average of 25 calls a day and deal with / contact / speak with an average of 4 people per call (sometimes there are less, but lots of times there are way more..so average of 4). Now if you do that math…it’s millions and millions of contact per year. In just one department. When you multiply in all of the other departments and officers in the US, the miner of police contacts per year is HUGE. And yet, you present but a few examples of guys doing it wrong. I’ve worked tarnished badge case and have a small stack of certifications because I don’t want people who do it wrong in my profession. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to out them in jail or prison.

    But what does any of this have to do with this article? This article is allegedly about someone being beaten to death. That clearly isn’t the case. Then it’s about the officers letting the guy suffer for so long. As demonstrated by an edited video (I’m sure it was just edited to add the drama). And then, once the officer realize there is a real problem….which was brought on by a rare genetic disorder that the suspect has…and the officers go to start giving him help, the video suspiciously ends. Hmm. Again, if there more to it some where, there is. But when all you have is edited video to go on….it’s really tough, at best, to make a clear call about it. Based solely on the video, don’t be surprised if the officers get clearly pretty quickly.

  • jayduba

    I consider it a victory for ‘my people’ that you concede that they MIGHT be liable for failure to render aid. Kudos to you for actually realizing they might be at fault .

  • jayduba

    However, I find it curious that when a civilian is caught doing something wrong on video, it’s a cut and dried case, but if a LEO is caught, the video doesn’t show the whole story or the video is heavily edited. Just sayin.

  • wildchild934

    my point is this is WRONG!! what all of these cops did was a piss poor job! pure and simple there were countless other ways to perform their duties but they seem to get a kick out of throwing their authority around and hiding behind their badge, as for andrew scott he had a right to peek out his door to see if there was a problem we have the stand your ground law the stupid cops are the ones in the WRONG they could have identified themselves when the door opened they never said a word at any time just opened fire! we the people,you know voters taxpayers that pay your salary are sick and tired of it and think something needs to be done better training, more in depth phycological testing, because it seems that way to many of the perverts, bullies, and sickos are ending up on police forces across the country and innocent people are dieing and getting seriously injured i am starting to think that you t ARE one of the officers in the video, hmmm, anyway for the rest of you who are here for what this site was built for[ exposing bad police work] i reccomend finding and reading some of their training manuals i did a few years back it was VERY informative, after all they tell you that ignorance of the law is no excuse, ok so not only did i get a full set of statutes for my state i also learned some of my opponents tactics for all you regular peeps who are thinking with something besides a well washed pea between your ears they are taught to be sneaky, deceptive, and to trick you in any way possible to get what they want pay close attention to any chapters on investigation and interrogation wow real eye openers i will try to find some links and post them later if available.

  • t.

    Duba: Oh, the city will pay out as the a counts will tell them too be ause it’s cheaper. No doubt. And little doubt that is why the family is trying to keep this in the public eye… So they can collect money. But I wat he’d it again, twice more. What do you see that the officers did that was criminal? Unfortunately the poster de died to edit the video so we don’t see what really happened. But even with the edits…where do you see a crime? Where is intent? Where is a guilty act? As for a “civilian”(your word) vs police. The video rarely tells the whole story. That’s why you ask questions and look at all of what happened. With this article, the author has denied you that.

    934: Huh? Let me ask….in your extense studies and subsequent knowledge have you ever come across the idea the the police have always…to use your term…had a “stand your ground” law? As in when threatened / attacked that we have never been require to retreat? You know. kinda like when you knock on a door and without provocation or warning someone de idea to point a gun i your face? Anything like that ever creep into your research? If it had I bet you would have missed it as the rest of the bunk you said that you learned about police work is..well, bunk

  • jayduba

    Again, Failure to render aid. I do not consider pumping a corpses chest as aid. And how is settling out of court cheaper? If the officers are not guilty of anything, why would they not fight tooth and nail to clear their names? It’s only cheaper to settle if you know you’ll be found liable for a much greater amount. Spin it how you may, Settling is a prima facie admission of guilt in my book. It’s like pleading to a lesser charge. I’m positive you’ll disagree but you seem to lack an understanding of the world other than cop games.

  • t.

    Ok then, what pray tell do you consider “aid” if CPR on someone without a pulse and who isn’t breathing isn’t aiding them? Hey, did you hear that? It sounded like your arguements falling down

    As for your “prima facie” evidence. Dude, have you been on this planet long? The costs of litigation is emormous. Accountants analyze cases all the time and most decisions are made about costs, not about guilty or real liability. That part is just simple business analysis.

  • wildchild934

    when you sneak around innocent peoples doors in the middle of the night like a common criminal YOU dersrve to be treated like the intruder YOU are you have proven my point tho very well you guys think because of your badge you dont have to follow the rules, as for where i got my info right out of training manuals and textbooks for law enforcement classes never saw a section that said you were above the law tho so you can have what you clearly want ,the last word lol may the propaganda wheel in your thick head keep turning oh and retreat is not usually the first thought in cops like this, their first response is shoot! shoot to kill!

  • jayduba

    Got it. Wait til he’s dead. Then render aid. Also screw the truth, it’s more about cost analysis. Life, death, truth and honor don’t matter when they affect the bottom line.

  • t.

    934: Wow… The police weren’t “sneaking around like intruders”, they knocked on the front freaking door!!! All I “proven” is that you have a feighteningly little understanding OR you just lie. The research that you say you have done…you either didn’t do, it you completely didn’t understand.

  • wildchild934

    oh i understand they knocked refused to answer hid out of sight but with a straight shot at the door stupid and since you are just another trained liar why should anyone belive you as for what i posted the info is out there and tell me you arent taught that you can “be deceptive” in the course of your job then well i already know you are just doing your job lmao!

  • jayduba

    One last thing. T says that Glenn is a liar. Hey Glenn, are you a cop?

  • t.

    :-)

  • courtofpublicopinion

    This is an ethics test question brought to you by the court of public opinion, One fine day 56 year old emma lou decided to visit the downtown shopping district in her community. After a lovely morning of shopping she was exiting the last store thinking about lunch at her favorite deli just up the street, as she steps onto the sidewalk she is slammed into by a brawling crowd of people once she regains her balance she tries to escape the melee suddenly she is shoved into the store window and she hears someone screaming “lets see some id NOW” confused and frightened she tries to comply by shakily reaching into her bag for her wallet, oops officer friendly sees this as a threat and opens fire instantly no stop or i’ll shoot just fires off 5 shots 1 in her head 2 in her chest and 2 thru the store window 1 of which went thru the head of a 2 year old little girl in her mothers arms killing her instantly. QUESTION Was officer friendly right, and why?

  • Ethics answer

    Cop is guilty and the father of the 2 year needs to stalk this cop and kill him if he gets away with it. The end !

  • Tom Magnells

    Are you ignorant, or do you really not know how to spell “Homicide”?

    The police didn’t beat this man at all. He was released from jail, committed a robbery on an innocent couple on the street, and was apprehended at the scene by police. He wasn’t shot, sprayed, punched, kicked, tazed or injured. Just handcuffed.

    The medical examiner and inquest jury both determined he died of sickle cell crisis, probably brought on by his criminal behavior and running from police.

    While the police were taking care of the victims, locating and interviewing witnesses, etc, they failed to pay attention to Williams. When he passed out, they called medical and performed Mouth to Mouth CPR on him, endangering their own safety to try to save him. Their “crime” was not paying attention to the felon they thought was faking.

  • jayduba

    When normal people perform CPR, it’s called ‘life saving measures’. When cops do it, it’s called ‘endangering their own safety’.

  • t.

    Mouth to mouth CPR isn’t even taught anymore….its just chest compressions now.

    And mouth to mouth on those who engage in the street drug culture is truly the kiss of death.

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