From all places, USA Today, I found this article of a Vermont firing range that is no longer allow LEO’s to use their facility to train. You’ll see why below but I hope to see more actions like this from business owners. This is a great, effective and important tactic to use to help LEO’s who are enforcing bad laws. Maybe next we’ll see folks asking cops to leave their business because the choose to enforce victimless drug laws. One can only hope..
BURLINGTON, Vt. — A rural Vermont firing range has told the police department in Burlington that itsofficers are unwelcome to train at the facilitybecause the City Council has advanced a measure to ban semi-automatic rifles and large-capacity magazines in the state’s largest city.
The City Council’s action earlier this month threatens constitutional freedoms, Robert Boivin II, board chairman of the Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club Inc., wrote in a letter to police department, city and state leaders terminating use of the gun range by Burlington police.
The firing range is in Morrisville, about 50 miles northeast of Burlington. The city of 42,000 residents has a police force of just less than 100 officers.
The club’s executive board “can no longer support the City of Burlington with such a prejudice against our club and its members, and has voted to suspend the City’s use of our range for its law enforcement. This action is effective immediately,” Boivin wrote in the letter, dated Tuesday. It was provided Wednesday toThe Burlington Free Press.
“We hope that the council reconsiders its actions and redirects its efforts towards perpetrators of violent crimes and security issues,” Boivin wrote.
The city’s exclusion from the range likely would affect how and when officers train with firearms, Burlington Police Chief Michael Schirling told the Free Press on Wednesday night.
“Training facilities are limited in the area,” Schirling said. “It’s unfortunate that a polarized discussion of this nature has this kind of impact.”
The City Council voted 10-3 earlier this month to direct its Charter Change Committee to craft a ban on assault-type firearms and large-capacity magazines. The meeting was marked by a high turnout by the public, virtually all of whom were opposed to such a ban.
Council President Joan Shannon, a Democrat, has said the measure would reach voters no earlier than March 2014 — and, if approved, would next require the OK of the Vermont Legislature before becoming law. The measure’s supporters say the ban is necessary in lieu of meaningful state and national regulations restricting access to such weapons. Opponents say the ban would do little to prevent violence and treads on the rights of law-abiding gun owners.
Messages left for Shannon and Burlington Mayor Miro Weinberger were not immediately returned Wednesday evening.
The tide is indeed turning. The American people are waking up by the millions, and realizing exactly who the traitors are. And they appear to be acting accordingly.
Meanwhile, common sense (and his many sock puppet accounts) alternates between wanking to kiddy porn and posting police union talking points on Cop Block. Your tax dollars hard at work, people. Never forget that.
Glenn=liar
This is outstanding!!! Hope this spreads to other ranges. Why should they allow LEOs to train for eventual confiscations and other enforcement actions against their clubmembers at THEIR range??
Yep. Great idea. Punish the officers that you will be calling to save your ass when the shit hits the fan because of the actions of the elected officials.
I’m not a fan of banning assault rifles or high capacity magazines at all, but if you really want to prove a point then launch campaigns against city council.
Is Common Sense a gun control advocate? I don’t recall any anti gun posts from him.
@underoath
What Jim says is true, why SHOULD the gun club help train the very same officers who will be showing up to enforce whatever gun ban gets passed on the rest of its members?
Yes that town council should be getting hell from their constituents as well, it does not have to be an either/or situation.
As far as officers “saving my ass”, when seconds count the cops are only minutes away. The odds of a patrol car being right next to my house when the call goes in are minimal. You are better off having a gun to protect yourself, you don’t have to pray for it to show up while you are getting beaten to death.
UO,
It appears that the Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club Inc, a private corporation, have launched a campaign against the city council. They’ve informed the City, that “effective immediately”, since the City Council voted 10-3 earlier this month to direct its Charter Change Committee to craft a ban on assault-type firearms and large-capacity magazines, they have terminated use of the gun range by Burlington police .
It’s within their (LVFGC’s) purview, the courtesy they extended to the City of Burlington’s Police Department in good faith, can be rescinded at any time. “We hope that the council reconsiders its actions and redirects its efforts towards perpetrators of violent crimes and security issues…”
“Yep. Great idea. Punish the officers that you will be calling to save your ass when the shit hits the fan because of the actions of the elected officials.”
Actions have consequences. Sounds like the Board at LVFGC isn’t concerned about LEO’s covering their ass when the shit hits the fan, maybe the City Council should be.
Oh heavens, that really stumped the cops, oh wait, there’s 5 ranges in that area, including a military training installation.
Guess someone else just got some new business.
Guy… I completely understand the owners and members of the range being frustrated,but why take the frustration out on local police officers? Is the police department supporting the councils decision? If so, i have no issue with the range turning them away. I really don’t have a huge issue with them turning them away to begin with as a private entity reserves the right to refuse service to anyone at any time.
When it comes to having a gun to protect yourself, I’m also a huge advocate of that. But you may not always carry a gun or you may run into a situation where police intervention is necessary. Lets not cut off our nose to spite our face.
@GF
No, I am not in favor of an AWB, however I can see the polictical climate swinging that direction (again). The bill will be introduced, just depends on who and when. There was a ban in place between 1994-2004 as well a ban on hi-cap mags. Did crime decrease. Yes, but was it a direct result of the ban? No.
The ban ‘may’ prevent the massacre of innocents but overall, there is no reliable report that shows that a single effort can reduce the threat of a future mass killing. One can argue that someone armed with 1-3 handguns, with a dozen magazines, who is reasonable accurate and quick to reload, could be just as devestating as one armed with an AK-74.
I would favor strengthing the mental health aspect and background checks for the purchase and transfer of firearms. The increased liability for careless gunowners ie, your son/daugther gets your personal weapon carelessly left in a drawer, then the gun owner should face some liability, either civil or criminal.
I can see the issue becoming not one of the 2nd Amendment as the government will never ‘confiscate’ your firearms. That’s just hype. This issue is one more of ‘State’s Rights.’ Why should Montana and Idaho, who to my knowledge, have never had a ‘mass’ shooting whereas Illinois, New York and Calliforia have has mulitple shootings, be under the same restrictions.
The issue has more to do with mental health and societal issues than firearms.
@Underoath
” Guy… I completely understand the owners and
members of the range being frustrated,but why take the
frustration out on local police officers?”
Because the cops wont hesitate to enforce it. Cops will choose their pension over our rights any day ending in Y.
The Gun Range did a great job a refusing to let police officers train at their range. The police are not responsible for the weapons ban but they work for the people that create them. I think their tactics are not aimed at the police but who the police work for.
The actions of the city council banning weapons, will have a direct effect on the Gun Ranges business. The Gun Range shown there displeasure with this by banning LEO’s from using their range will probably cost the city money to send their LEO’s some place else.
Yep, I’ll call the cops, and have me or my family just as likely to be shot/abused/beaten as the bad guy…
That old “well, who you going to call when things get bad argument has less and less merit as time goes on, Under.
@common, not if the other 5 facilities follow suit. Wouldn’t that be nice!
Vote the council out is one way…Good luck with that though…
WOW! This story has common sense and the other boot-lickers in full blown homosexual rage mode! MORE PLEASE! HAHAHAH! Wait lemme get my popcorn! TROLOLOLOL!
“Glenn=liar” — common sense
Training Cops to Lie – Pt 1 — http://www.officer.com/article/10233095/training-cops-to-lie-pt-1
So…you were saying?
“Punish the officers that you will be calling to save your ass when the shit hits the fan” -underoath
First of all, if “the shit hits the fan,” that means that the police are coming to disarm them. Why would they call the police to tell them what they’re doing as they’re doing it? *scratches head*
Secondly, why would a GUN RANGE need police backup? People call the police when they’re unable to take care of a situation themselves because they’re unarmed and they’d like the police to bring their guns.
Finally, the police enforce what council dictates and council will (re)consider based on police recommendations. To speak as if they’re not on the same side of the “citizens are opponents” struggle is naive.
I’m glad to read about this. I hope other ranges will follow suit. For as long as we’re regarded as opponents for our possession of firearms, cameras, plants, etc, they can be regarded as opponents for their occupation.
@simple
Actually, in one article, the PD already stated they’d now train at Ethan Allen.
Yep….let the rest of the ranges follow suit.
Then the PD will be forced to use tax payer dollars to build a range of there own. Great idea.
Dan Sayers brings up excellent points. The core issue of the entire debate is law enforcement and their perception of the citizens as “the enemy”. Without that critical adversarial factor, the police would simply be seen as our neighbors and friends, much like firefighters or EMT’s.
I would also add that the presence here of common sense, underoath, t., etc is simply evidence of a psychological warfare op. When someone or something targets you or your group with an extended, multi-year psyop mission, you may rest assured that they most certainly see you as their enemy.
underoath, your a whinny little bitch
Way to add something constructive, keyboard bad ass!
What’s next? Wait…let me guess…
“Ill kick your ass pig!”?
Tax payers money will build a gun range for the goons. How else would this turn out. Then every county will pursue the same thing, fearing that this will be brought forward on all counties that all cops would be banned from personal owned shooting ranges.
How much will this cost?
How many counties are there in the United States?
There are 3,141 counties and county equivalents in the 50 States and the District of Columbia. They are categorized as follows:
3,007 counties
16 Boroughs in Alaska
11 Census Areas in Alaska (for areas not organized into Boroughs by the State)
64 Parishes in Louisiana
42 Independent Cities (1 in Maryland, 1 in Missouri, 1 in Nevada, and the remainder in Virginia)
1 District – the Federal District or District of Columbia.
This does not include Commonwealths and territories with what are generally county equivalents, which are as follows:
78 Municipalities in Puerto Rico
2 Districts in the U.S. Virgin Islands
9 Election Districts in Guam
17 Districts in the Northern Mariana Islands
and
5 Districts in American Samoa
Given that cops routinely show pathetic aim, I doubt anyone would no the difference.
True story from tampa FL a few years ago. A guy stole a cop car at gun point. APB went out of course. A cop rear ended another cop at a light. Both for some reason thought the other person in uniform was the armed criminal and began firing at each other.
I’m not sure which is worse, two cops stupid enough to shoot at each other, or that at a car length neither hit the other. Of course the bullets kept going and did who knows what.
Na, just hope some crackhead puts a bullet through your head
Shawn said: “Given that cops routinely show pathetic aim, I doubt anyone would no the difference.”
There are not “innocent bystanders” in the eyes of the police!
NYPD Gunfire In Empire State Building Shooting Wounded All Nine Bystanders, Says Ray Kelly — http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/empire-state-building-shooting-nypd-bullets-shot-all-nine_n_1830007.html
Seriously Blu? That’s the best you’ve got? Hahaha
You’re a sad little man.
LOL, your a joke mother fucker, no one respects you and I’m sad, LOL, let me tell you what sad is. Sad is some pig fuck trolling a cop hating site talking shit about nothing, because you are nothing. That is why your here. And, LOL, you can call me “little” that is far from the truth but fine, whatever, but lets talk about stereo types, faggot. I bet your a fat donut eating nerd who never got laid, couldn’t participate in sports because you are athletically inept, picked on for obscure appearance, so because of your adolescent woes you resort to a position of power so you can finally flex your authoritative muscles. You proud of your shinny new utility belt and cute little tin badge aren’t you! Oh I bet mama’s proud of her lil piggy. Shit, sorry man, I’ll get off moms cause I just got off yours. I got to be honest though, the bitch stinks. Tell her soap goes a long way……LOL. Is that a little better response, key board tough guy!
oath,
Hopefully a crackhead blows your brains out tonight. Have a good shift buddy.
Whew! That’s much better!
Mom jokes? Really? I feel like I just time warped back to junior high.
I would love to enjoy my shift, but I’m off until Saturday. No crack head putting a bullet in my head tonight. What a bummer.
The gun range is probably concerned about all of the “furtive movements” of it’s other patrons. I can see the headline,
“Cop Shoots 10 Gun Range Members in the Backs of Heads, Chief Says Justified.”
“Cop Shoots 10 Gun Range Members in the Backs of Heads, Chief Says Justified.”
ROFL! Quote of the week right there.
@underoath
Do you consider what happened in NY a joke? Any group of vigilanties can produce those results. I thought cops were supposed to be trained? That is especially true when NY is a place that tells us we can’t carry because only cops know what they are doing in a gun fight.
Absolutely not. What would make you assume it’s a joke? I’m advocating training here.
@underoath all you badge wearing bullies are a fucking joke,i wore a badge but not a pig badge i was a paramedic someone who shows pride and does not waste taxpayer dollars, do the fuckin world a favor and eat hot lead you troll pig.only good cop is a dead cop and even then he is no fucking good because the taxpayers have to pay to bury his smelly ass.and in case you are wondering i do not have a criminal record and i now work as a physicians asst. so go eat a fuckin donut and stop shaking people down for there hard earned money.PIG
‘underoath’ – (what a name – I mean, what oath? the one you and the rest of you bluebellies violate everyday?) – don’t worry, I can take are of myself, I’ll call you – maybe- to come clean up the bodies. Maybe.
And I love the ‘don’t blame us, it’s the politicians!!’ Sure, don’t blame the SS, blame Hitler! We’re just following orders! Sure worked at Nuremburg, didn’t it? Pathetic.
Face it, bluebellies, you are the enforcement arm of the politicians, period. You are not here to protect us mundanes, you are here to enforce the laws and policies of The State and the politicians and bureaucrats who comprise it. You’re nothing but ‘legal’ armed gangs. In a just world you’d all be fired, jailed and your departments permanently disbanded.
I don’t care if you don’t have a place to ‘practice’. We can all outshoot your donut-stuffed asses anyway, and you know it.
@underoath
Will, this little jem might give someone the wrong idea
“Seriously Blu? That’s the best you’ve got? Hahaha”
Read like you thought the NY shooting wasn’t much to you.
I was talking to Blu….he never referenced the NY shooting.
Glenn is the one that mentioned the NY shooting. I never said anything to him.
Disarming the police would make America safer. Until then every private business should shun those who take the King’s coin. Anyone who has such low morals and poor character that they become a police officer should be unable to buy goods and services from honest citizens.
The officers use weapons with large magazines. They aren’t banned when they come in with weapons that meet the clubs rules. Funny how you never posted that part. Another lying activist story.