Cop Killer Chris Dorner: Blacks, Rap Music, and Violence

Published On February 20, 2013 | By CopBlock | Articles

Submitted by Steve Macias

Christopher Dorner, a government-trained killer who went AWOL, has been in the news quite a bit the last few days. The manhunt for the former police officer ended on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 when the cabin he was hiding in was mistakenly caught fire by San Bernardino County Sheriff Deputies. The fire led to the death of the 33-year old man who was accused of murdering four people, including a police officer.

Dorner the Minority

Dorner grew up in Southern California and attended a Christian School, his childhood spent in well-to-do white communities. Dorner later wrote a manifesto in which he said that he felt as though he was the only African-American in his Christian school, and that he was often in trouble for fighting over the racial tension that existed between him and the other students. He graduated from John F. Kennedy High School in La Palma, California, a city with census data suggesting that less than three percent of the region’s population is African-American. He went on to study at the not-so-diverse Southern Utah University.

Dorner the Soldier

Chris Dorner went on to serve for over ten years in the Naval Reserve. He was first commissioned domestically and then spent several years in the Middle East. He worked his way up to the rank of Lieutenant and left the Navy Reserve decorated and with an honorable discharge.

Dorner the Cop

Dorner worked for the Los Angeles Police Department from 2005 to 2008, until he was fired for allegedly falsifying a report that claimed that another officer had used excessive violence. The case became the focus of Dorner’s “manifesto,” in which he catalogued and documented alleged uses of excessive force by the police.

What Chris Dorner Represents

Dorner represents much of what is wrong with our American culture and its constant state of schizophrenia. Men (and soon, women) in our nation’s military are trained to believe they are fighting for freedom and equality, while those in military service often come to see that they grew up in a country where freedom and equality are not realities for so many. Policemen and women are trained to protect and serve the cause of justice, yet when they “hit the beat” they may find that justice is meted out at the whim of those who hold power and is not based on the rule of law. Men risk their lives and livelihoods for what they believe to be noble causes only to find that their efforts have been used to further the ends of the malicious programs of an increasingly totalitarian state.

Dorner is significant because his life resembles the journey of a character from The Matrix: the more he wakes up to his own reality, the more unbearable it becomes. Dorner was trained to serve his country, yet he was sent on an imperialistic errand to Bahrain. He joined the Los Angeles Police Department to protect against the sort of injustices that he believed he had experienced, only to become disillusioned by what he perceived as excessive violence and corruption.

This is not to excuse Chris Dorner from whatever crimes he had committed, but rather to note that as long as America progresses deeper toward an Orwellian state, we should expect more confused Dorners who react in violent ways to the instability of their world. It should be understood that the welfare state, the warfare state, and the police state all operate in tandem. Murray Rothbard recognized that these were the wedges that tyrannical governments use to pit segments of the population against one another. He said,

The liberals, in short, push the “welfare” part of our omnipresent welfare-warfare state, while the conservatives stress the warfare side of the pie.

LBJ’s Great Society and Black Culture

We live in a country that believes that racism ended with a war and government intervention, yet year after year new events prove that racism is still very much alive. Growing up the son of a bi-racial couple, I have experienced the glare of those who look down upon white women who have Mexican husbands. Despite Hollywood’s attempt to teach us that we live in a color-blind culture, racism still exists. And this racism is perpetuated by a government thirst for power that feeds off class warfare. President Lyndon B. Johnson helped to foster prolonged class warfare with his “Great Society” programs which made dependents of many minorities. Ann Coulter explains, “Everyone knew – even FDR’s secretary of labor, Frances Perkins, knew – that granting widows’ benefits to unmarried women with illegitimate children would have disastrous consequences…”

But under LBJ, that’s exactly the system liberals implemented. The “suitable home” requirements—such as having a husband–were jettisoned as irrational and racist by liberal know-it-alls in the Federal Bureau of Public Assistance. By 1960, only 8 percent of welfare benefits intended for widows or wives with disabled husbands were being collected by such. More than 60 percent of Aid to Families with Dependent Children payments went to “absent father” homes. As a result, illegitimacy, particularly among blacks, went through the roof. That was the year the black marriage rate began its precipitous decline, gradually at first, with the marriage rate for black women falling below 70 percent for the first time only in 1970…By 2010, only 30.1 percent of blacks above the age of 15 were married, compared to 52.7 percent of whites…To hide their own role in the suppression of a black middle class, liberals promoted the myth that slavery alone had produced dystopian black lives, This is the quasi-theological underpinning of the modern welfare state. [1]

Erol Ricketts, a demographer and sociologist with the Rockefeller Foundation, found that between 1890 and 1950, blacks had higher marriage rates than whites, according to the U.S. Census. [2]

African-American professor Walter Williams concurs,

The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family

It is no coincidence that the protest against these sort of minority-oppressing policies was led by civil rights movement, in which pastors and black leaders fought for the preservation of the nuclear family. The government elites understood that destroying the Christian family was the key to crippling the will of a Christian people. Without strong men to lead families, the government could step in and take the place of father and provider. Prominent civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King, Jr. also opposed the war in Vietnam, appropriately recognizing that war and oppression are antithetical to liberty. King famously said,

For those who ask the question, “Aren’t you a civil rights leader?” and thereby mean to exclude me from the movement for peace, I have this further answer. In 1957 when a group of us formed the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, we chose as our motto: “To save the soul of America.” We were convinced that we could not limit our vision to certain rights for black people, but instead affirmed the conviction that America would never be free or saved from itself until the descendants of its slaves were loosed completely from the shackles they still wear. In a way we were agreeing with Langston Hughes, that black bard of Harlem, who had written earlier:

“O, yes, I say it plain,

America never was America to me,

And yet I swear this oath –

America will be!”

Now, it should be incandescently clear that no one who has any concern for the integrity and life of America today can ignore the present war. If America’s soul becomes totally poisoned, part of the autopsy must read: Vietnam. It can never be saved so long as it destroys the deepest hopes of men the world over. So it is that those of us who are yet determined that America will be are led down the path of protest and dissent, working for the health of our land. [3]

Dorner belongs to a generation that was taught that MLK’s dream became a reality, a generation of young people who trusted their government to do the right thing. So many hoped and believed that America had become a place of liberty for all. I wonder if Chris Dorner is just one of many who have become disillusioned and confused by the mixed messages they get from every side.

Black Culture and Rap Music: A Response to Government Oppression

Disclaimer: The songs being discussed here contain foul language, adult themes, and offensive content. I strongly discourage our readers from listening to them. The point of this piece is to merely interact with work that is already a part of popular culture.

Yeah, I’m a gangsta, but still I got flavor
Without a gun and a badge, what do ya got?
A sucker in a uniform waitin’ to get shot
by me, or another nigga [4]

These are a few lines from the famous protest song, “F*** Tha Police,” from the Los Angeles-based group N.W.A., who expressed many of the same concerns about the Los Angeles Police Department that Dorner noted in his manifesto, only twenty years earlier. The lyrics are shocking, not just because of their reckless vulgarity, but because their near prophetic nature in relation to Dorner’s actions. Some would argue that this sort of rap music encourages men like Dorner to lose respect for authorities, that this kind of music encouraged his violent behavior. But we are discussing a man who was a decorated officer in our Armed Forces and who trained with the LAPD. He claimed to be concerned about the corruption of an organization to which he had submitted for many years.

Boyz In The Hood

In the early 1990s John Singleton attempted to address the social unrest that existed in the Los Angeles area in his movie Boyz in the Hood, in which he included an interaction with a black Los Angeles Police Officer.

The scene is truly penetrating as the wholesome Tre Styles is pulled over by an overeager black police officer, who immediately places his large handgun at the black teenager’s neck. The cop is portrayed to be self-hating of his own black culture and claims that he took this job because he hated “little n*****s.” We see the kid trembling and a tear runs down his face as the officer says, “I could blow your head off with this Smith & Wesson and you couldn’t do s**t!” Finally, the officer receives another call on his radio and allows the boy to leave.

Two decades later this is the same sort of violence that arises once again in Dorner’s beat, urging him to file a report. But much like the LAPD of the Boyz in the Hood, nothing is done to rectify the situation.

Modern Rap and Anti-Police, Anti-State Sentiments

Movies and music are a way for cultures to express values and concerns. The anti-war movement was expressed by the Beatles’ “All You Need Is Love,” and in the same way, black culture expresses its opposition to police brutality, to institutionalized racism, and to government oppression in the N.W.A and the Boyz in the Hood.

Opposition to government police officers is still a theme found in today’s modern rap music. Tauheed Epps, also know as 2 Chainz, is a Grammy-nominated rapper whose music has penetrated the hip hop scene. I’ve encountered his song several times while tuning through the radio here in Sacramento. Last month, there was an article on Huffington Post that showed a clip from the song’s music video that included what was implied to be an anti-police scene. This piqued my interest and I took a look at the song’s actual lyrics.

The lyrics for the track I’m Different aren’t really all that different, as they contain the same general themes we seen in today’s rap music: fame, sex, money. Looking for the cop scene, I watched the video that Huffington Post had put up. This Christian quickly recognized some incongruities in the video.

A Commercial Paradox

It is appropriate for us to be critical of this song; as it is presented it has little value to contribute, even as mindless entertainment. One could quickly, and rightly so, identify the commercial aspects of this song and how it so heavily relies on expressions of wealth in expensive cars and material abundance. Listening to rap music, I’ve often identified this as a strange paradox. Some rap music points to deeper cultural issues of inequality and poverty, yet a large portion simply portrays commercialized nonsense.

Too often the rapper expresses his values by borrowing the worth of an object that others wish they also had. In many ways, this reduces much of this genre down to urban jingles for commercial products. The song then becomes a commercial in itself, one that people are willing to pay to listen to. This becomes even more perplexing when we consider that radio stations then use these rap music commercials to get listeners to hear more traditional commercials.

But beyond the nonsense, this song suggests more.

Huffington Post reports:

The visuals for I’m Different are compelling, if you’re into watching Ferrari drivers arrest cops and a very tall rapper with long hair strutting around in an all-leopard ensemble. I’m Different is a single from B.O.A.T.S., which stands for “Based on a Tru Story” (Chainz doesn’t like the letter “e”) and might explain why Deuce is riding around in a boat for much of the video.

There is this unfortunate scene, which seems gratuitous (though the gun-toting folks did find cocaine on the offending officer.)

Tables Turned

The music video represents a movement away from portraying the black youth as the victim. Now the young men pull over the police officer, point their gun at him, and arrest him as he kneels in front of them. The tables turn as the young men show the officer that they are no longer going to be abused. As the Huffington Post article mentioned, the young men find drugs on the officer pointing back to their view that the police are corrupt and hypocritical in their application of the law. As the most recent anti-police commentary, this is the culture of men like Chris Dorner: a culture of black men positively asserting that they will no longer be victims of the police state. In this sense, 2 Chainz is truly different, he represents a group of men who will not be complicit depending on the government to fix the problems that they understand the government to have created.

Freedom and Totalitarianism

Anthony Gregory, research editor at the Independent Institute, has said,

Just because you can watch half-nude women on afternoon television or gay men kissing on the streets of nearly any major city does not mean America is free, as complacent liberals might think, much less too free, as conservatives often suggest. Just because most dissidents are left alone doesn’t mean there is no police state, for that would be convenient indeed for the police statists: the idea that people ought not complain so long as they have the right to do so. [5]

Some may object to these anti-police views of modern rap music and complain of the need for law and order. R.J. Rushdoony has explained that the police force is to be a citizen force. “[T]he police power is the citizen’s right of self-defense…” Yet we can quickly identify dozens of modern police functions that are state functions of control and theft, not in any way respecting the intent of police as a delegated form of self-defense. Rushdoony continues,”Present-day trends towards a national police force are thus aimed at disarming and capturing the citizenry for totalitarian purposes.” [6]

What we see in black culture is the expression, warranted or not, that their local police have gone beyond the role of self-defense to the point of violence and subjugation. The violent responses of some, like Chris Dorner, are not to be condoned, but in order to prevent further violence, the reasons behind such behavior need to be explored. Those who are supposed to serve and protect must also be restrained from violence by the rule of law and limited to their proper function and jurisdiction.

What we see in Dorner’s story is the real unintended adverse results of a politicized police. Our policies abroad and domestically have real consequences for our culture and for our future.

The Kuyperian Commentary. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a link is given.

Email Steve Macias [email protected]

References Below:

1. Ann Coulter, Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama
2. Erol Ricketts, “The Origin of Black Female-Headed Families,” Focus Spring/Summer 1989, 32-37
3. Martin Luther King Jr., ”A Time to Break Silence,” delivered at Riverside Church, New York City, on April 4, 1967.
4. N.W.A, ”F*** tha Police”, Straight Outta Compton, 1988 Priority/Ruthless
5. Anthony Gregory, America’s Unique Fascism, September 6, 2011
6. Rushdoony, R.J. (1978). The Politics of Guilt and Pity. Craig Press.

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  • Common Sense

    Its society’s fault, its rap music’s fault, its the police’s fault, its a single parent home’s fault, its the GOP’s fault, its a socioeconomic problem, its Hollywood’s fault.

    As with Lanza, Dorner’s body is still available for pickup. No waiting.

    ..on another note, ‘built like a tank, yet hard to hit…’

  • t.

    Very well written. A little narrow in view, but very well written.

    But you missed the context of something. I’m no apologists for LAPD and there have been some famously wrong things that have happened there. No institution, nor any person is perfect. Last I checked…there was only one of them. But when you look at NWA and put their music, and even the movies of that time in context…its a very different picture. Look back at the time Fuck The Police was written. Rampant gang violence. Gang,and wars over drug turf. Not the polices desire or want. They just responded to it. Then, as now, most of those who complain are those who got caught. I grew up in that same time period. I was in high school and the racial tensions were incredible…and for no reason other than people were influenced by those movies and songs…and thought they were oppressed. It didn’t matter that our dads worked together, or we live in the same area. Played on the same teams. Many were so influenced that they thought they lived in LA and the police were harassing them…when none had every even been stopped. People can be easily lead.

    Dorner, even by your own descriptions, had all the “advantages” but he chose to feel oppressed. His life in his somewhat controlled military existence (and no offense to anyone in the military as it is an existence that even in peacetime service presents plenty of challenges) came to an abrupt end when he joined LAPD. He went from his rank commanding absolute authority to those he was dealing with to one where he was dealing with free people who are allowed to disagree with Jim. I’ve have watched lots of guys who make that straight change struggle with that. Going from being given absolute orders and direction to having to work through things where their isn’t that direction nor usually even a clear answer or outcome.

    His is only a message of the entitlement state. The world didn’t end up as peachy as he thought it was and he couldn’t cope. There is a constant cry for police accountability on this site…and LAPD apparently did the right thing in jettisoning this potential problem. His story is little more than an domestic related violence or workplace violence. Someone felt picked on and regardless of any truth or not, they lashed out and went “postal” ( remember that term…it fits perfectly here ).

    @Common pointed it out very succinctly…. blame someone else because it can’t be my fault.

  • http://www.nvnc.org Corporate Entity

    “Alleged” Cop Killer.. Stated from all media sources. I don’t fully understand (and not condoning his actions until proven otherwise)how he can release 3 different versions of “His Manifesto”, no factual evidence he committed these murders, not one video unit (Ones placed above EVERY traffic signal on streets)documented his ambush of police, had a Nevada residence but vehicle with CA plates, has been labeled a stone cold killer but ties up maids with loose zip ties, and with his combat skills and training allows himself to be cornered. Now the 2nd A. attack continues and endless Drone usage speak from media outlets. This subtle message from our “management team” suggests to others in uniform this will happen to you if you cross the line, while relaying to the civilian population we will use every available source from ALL alphabet agencies to administer justice on our own accord. They never let a crisis go to waste!

  • t.

    Ha ha. The stink of conspiracy. Too funny. Not all stop lights have cameras there dim bulb.

  • Kaz

    I really appreciate when someone puts lots of time, effort and thought into an article. It makes for a good read and can have some very vaild arguments.

    Dorner did many things that people would consider honorable. However, I am absolutely sure he knew that killing someone was wrong, just as the cops who shot up a truck with two innocent women without justification was wrong. Dorner’s actions were less than honorable because it lead to chaos and death.

    The question is how can we as a society stop the immoral and unethical behavior that goes on in our day to day lives? Some people believe that giving power to a select group of individuals to uphold the laws and govern the peace is the way to go. What makes those people more ethical or moral than someone else? Even people our society deems to be very moral such as a priest has been proven to be immoral by molesting little boys.

    I have no answer to these questions only bringing up a point that once we make it easier for someone to be immoral the greater the chance they will be.

  • shawn

    I doubt most people have any problem believing dorner was guilty. But i like this gem.
    ” Dorner grew up in Southern California and attended a
    Christian School,”

    Good job teach.

    Common is dead right. He alone is responsible for his choices. Many of us grew up on music and holywood and didn’t go nuts. I’m tired of everything from gun ownership to movies being blamed for a clear choice.

  • shawn

    @T

    Dead on about military in police. Military people iin my experience have tried to take the military into the civilian world. And it doesn’t work. And the mission of a cop dealing with the citizen public is a LOT different than that of a soldier. Why military experience is considered such a plus is beyond me.
    Not slamming the military mind you. I have a lot of respect for them, and everyone knows how i feel about police, but i think using soldiers with hard ass attitudes is part of the problem. I’m not a private in his army and wont be treated as such.

  • Chris

    Like I said before he was an L.A. COP that was fired because he knew how corrupt the L.A. police are and complained about it to his superiors…

  • t.

    Chris: And like before…you’re still wrong.

    Shawn: Its not that clearly defined. Lots of guys have no problem. But the rules that I have to follow in dealing with the public are much stricter. Taking kids at 18 and then telling them exactly what to do all the time (or most of the time anyway) for 4, 8, 16 years and then putting directly into a police car is frequently a bad idea. A lack of real world experiences can hamper their judgment and decision making skills. That is of course just a generalization. There are lots of guys the make the transition fine. But the same thing goes for kids right out of college. A lack of real world life experiences…hampered decision making. There is no “recipe” to what works best. Corner probably looked fantastic on paper and even in person. College andmilitary. The problem appears to be the illogical rresentment towards the world that he had. Tough to make the perfect selections

  • Chris

    Two COPS that are NEVER wrong – Common Sense and t.

    You guys are my idol(s)…

  • certain

    Chris, the funny thing is that neither of them are real cops. Common is a (my best guess) court clerk, or holds some other position in the civil service. T’s a freaking security guard that reads a lot of cop related stuff.

  • t.

    Certain. If that helps you feel better.

  • t.

    Certain. If that helps you feel better. Why can’t either of you stay on topic? All there ever is is baseless personal attacks.

  • Shawn

    @T

    You aren’t too shy on personal attacks yourself. Yours are usually not as vulgar though.

    Guys Common is no cop, and I’ve never seen him claim to be. But I’m pretty sure T really is one.

    No, nothing is ever so clearly defined that you can guarantee a group of people will all have the same views and issues. Like I’ve said, there are lots of Conservatives with issues with cops too, not just Libs.

    But in my line of work, I’ve seen a lot of ex-military. They often want to militarize security work, and often don’t do well on tasks they don’t recognize as part of the job description. I’ve had trouble with them doing everything but the job I’ve told them to do, because they are busy making work they feel is more fitting to them.

    And it certainly isn’t a stretch to question the advisability of taking a soldier and making them a cop. There is a significant mission adjustment between the way the two are supposed to think. That is one of the reasons I object when I see cops being trained like they are in a military academy. It is the wrong kind of thinking for a civilian world.

    I have no doubts there are soldiers who can and do make good cops, but first they have to be able to shift from a military perspective and thinking patterns to civilian ones.

  • Chris

    t. – I will stop the personal attacks if you freely admit what you do (as a job) to pay the bills and support yourself.

    My job is in Information Technology and I’ve been doing it for years. I have personal been abused by the police for doing nothing wrong and have been written tickets for shit I did not do and convicted for it.

    For example, written a ticket for speeding because the COP guessed my speed when I was not speeding.

    Another example, written a ticket for careless driving and the COP caused the situation. The COP was wreckless driving that could have gotten me killed but instead he pulls me over and writes me a ticket for his crime – I’ll never forget that. I was in the middle of an ice storm at night the night before Christmas Eve traveling on the interstate where I witnessed about 6 accidents. I was in the middle of passing a semi-trailer truck doing about 40 mph and a crazy fool is 5 feet on my ass who came out of nowhere and is flashing with his headlights. The next day I discovered that one person was killed in that ice storm. Thank god it was not me but I bet that same state FUCK COP caused that person to get killed.

    I could go on and on with more stories, but I do not want to waste the time…

  • t.

    I’ve been a police officer form that last 17 years with assignments from patrol, special operations, SWAT, drugs and vice and being a supervisor and currently back in patrol. Prior to that I worked for 2 Fortune 500 top ten companies. Before that was college and some other things.

    Don’t get me wrong about your attacks. Keep going for all I really care. Just shows a severe weakness. I try to stay on topic per each thread. Sometimes I pulled off if it by folks who just can’t focus on the topic or chose not too as they have no understanding of it.

    As for your speeding ticket. Not knowing where you live OR the laws and rules in every state… But I don’t need the radar to charge you with speeding if I’m a certified to estimate speed. (BTW courts have held that laypersons can also estimate speed in certain circumstances). The machine is just there to verifiy my estimate of your speed. Where I work, if using a radar my estimate and the machine can’t be more than 3 mph apart. And before you ask….no, I don’t have to show you the “clock” on the radar. I can, but I don’t have too.

    If you felt you where lied to and about….subpeana the dash can video and go to court. Most record non stop (all the time) but only save for a preprogrammed amount of time when activated ( my department is programmed for 2 minutes before the .rights are activated or in case of a wreck ). Now they certainly aren’t perfect as they are stationary and can only be manually zoomed, but I should show something.

  • thinkfreeer

    Good article. There was some sense of justice being served by Dorner. If you look at this incident and many other shootings, what is the common theme? Easy – male anger, often the shooter felt mistreated or was a victim of injustice – being fired, bullied, whatever. Even though it is wrong and illegal to take it out on someone by shooting them, does anyone think it’s a good idea be the cause of injustice resulting in male anger?

  • Common Sense

    …sounds like you ate alot of tickets cause you’re a shitty driver…but then again, I’m sure its a massive conspriacy.

  • Chris

    No Common Sense, shut the hell up. Your here just to annoy people.

    Tailgating is a highly dangerous act – then add the fact I was in an ice storm at night – then add the fact I was in the middle of passing a semi-trailer truck.

    If the situation was reversed, in other words – if I was doing that to a COP, I would have being written up for wreckless driving. The COP caused the situation and I get written up for his crime.

    I filed a complaint against the state dick but I highly doubt anything was done about it. The police investigating the police. How fair is that? And not all COP cars have dash cams – it varies from state to state. And when the cam is on or off varies. After that situation now I have dashcams in all my vehicles.

    And t. – no more personal attacks. At least your man enough to admit your a COP.

  • thinkfreeer

    Wreck-less driving is a good thing. On the other hand, I got a ticket for reckless driving in Oakland CA years ago (1974). I had a Mercury cougar with a V-8 and I burned rubber around a corner. The cop chased me down and gave a ticket for reckless driving. I did the research and beat it in court (actually I did take a plea bargain – the DA offered “unsafe change of direction” $50 or traffic school).

  • RadicalDude

    Dorner snapped from the cognitive dissonance he experienced when his belief system was ripped out from under him. He was disillusioned by his experience of corruption, yet not fully able to let go of the brainwashing; the psychopathic violence was instilled into him through a career as an “officer” in two anti-social violent institutions, the military and the police. The senseless violence police typically perpetrate on a daily basis is just as insane as what Dorner did. The Dorner story is full of great examples of how psychopathic and criminally insane the police subculture is in this land, from Dorner’s bizarre, brainwashed thought process, to the conspiracy to fire him for whistle blowing, to the cops basically going amuck, shooting people, burning down the cabin, etc. The whole story just illustrates how deviant and violent the police subculture is, and how it’s really an institutionalized socio-pathology.

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  • Wicked Vet

    “when the cabin he was hiding in was mistakenly caught fire” No, it didn’t mistakenly catch fire… it was live on tv and you could hear the cops setting the fires. They intentionally burned the place down. You can hear the cops saying to burn that motherfucker down. They say they heard the shot that Dorner did to kill himself but ammo goes off when you light fires.

    I agree with the last part of the article. It’s no excuse but it is hard for soldiers to come home and see freedom in a new light and I have known guys in Dorners situation. They didn’t go nuts they just quit being cops, which is for the best, soldiers have seen enough they shouldn’t come home and be cops. It’s hard enough to come home.

  • Winston

    I’ll be brutally honest here: I was really hoping Dorner would go after the dirty cops that have gotten away with murder. Oh well.

    Hopefully someone else will finish what he started.

  • certain

    It’s your story dude, you can tell it how you want. As far as baseless attacks, I’d have never bothered even noticing you were alive if you hadn’t made repeated references to child molesting, belonging to some child molesters club, etc.

    You’re a poser dude. As soon as you’r willing to state your name and what your state you are a sworn LEO in, I’ll stop saying you’re a mall cop. Oh that’s right, you can’t because you will get call floods, etc. LOL.

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