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Medical examiner rules man’s death homicide
Adan Salazar
Infowars.com
February 19, 2013
A Maryland mother is distraught after her 26-year-old son died last month following his encounter with three off-duty sheriff’s deputies in a movie theater.
Westview Cinema
Robert Ethan Saylor’s death was ruled a homicide yesterday by the Baltimore County Medical Examiner’s office, declaring he died from asphyxia (suffocation) while in police custody.
Saylor apparently liked the movie Zero Dark Thirty, so much so that he wanted to stick around the theater for another showing; but a Regal Cinema employee wouldn’t have it and asked Saylor to leave.
When the theater patron refused to leave his seat, the employee summoned theater security who, according to reports, was comprised of three off-duty sheriff’s deputies: Lt. Scott Jewell, Sgt. Rich Rochford and Deputy First Class James Harris.
Allegedly a struggle ensued leading the “security guards” to handcuff Saylor, throwing his face on the ground where police say he began undergoing a “medical emergency;” Saylor was after all afflicted with Down Syndrome.
However, the “medical emergency” observed was likely Saylor writhing in pain, struggling to breathe.
According to the Daily Mail, Cpl. Jennifer Bailey, of the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office, stated, “They made numerous attempts to get him to leave, he was cursing at them, at that point they physically removed him, and he began having the medical emergency.” [sic]
She elaborated further stating the deputies in question “immediately removed the handcuffs and administered first aid” when they noticed the disabled man going into distress, adding “It’s a very sad case, and not something we see everyday.”
The case is now under investigation by the Maryland State Attorney’s Office.
The Huffington Post reported that Patti Saylor, Robert’s mother, stated Robert “has never had anyone put their hands on him in his life,” implying he may have reacted out of fear. “He would not have been doing anything threatening to anybody.”
In a post that has appeared in several places online, a woman named Lynda Willis has urged others to help spread awareness of the horrific story: The police officers remain on duty and were allowed to invoke their rights as police officers not to provide statements even though they were not on duty or performing official duties at the time. They were security guards in police uniforms.
The county police are investigating and the story has received local news coverage. Please share this everywhere both to ensure justice but also to raise public awareness.
Where is our humanity when a young, obviously disabled young man dies for the price of a movie ticket? My son is worth a lot more to me & society than eleven dollars.
A comment posted by the submission author: A reminder to police everywhere: you are employed to protect the people, not yourselves. If these three men have committed murder, or homicide, it is not the place of a police or sheriff’s department to protect them. If the department does protect them, at least in my eyes, they are complicit in murder. People do not pay taxes for police to go out and act like gang members and kill innocent people.
Today, Thursday March 21, 2012 is World Down Syndrome Day, help raise the awareness.
Below is contact information for the Frederick County Sheriff’s department:
Frederick County -Law Enforcement Center
110 Airport Drive East
Frederick, MD 21701
Sheriff’s Office featured in Maryland Sheriff Magazine
Contact Sheriff Jenkins and let him know your thoughts on these officers actions, and ask as to why they are still on duty?
Phone: (301) 600-2071
e-mail: cjenkins@fredco-[email protected]
Fax: (301)600-1527
Frederick County Maryland Facebook page:
A Petition to Sheriff Charles Jenkins – Justice for Robert Saylor – has received over 1100 Signatures thus far at Change.org.
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Who wrote “allowed to invoke their rights as police officers not to provide statements” ? Aren’t you aware they have 5th amendment rights as well? This is likely a crime since the caretaker was nearby but nobody wanted to be patient.
It’s unusual to see a phrase like that on this site implying the accused are invoking a special right. They simply are choosing to remain silent. (CopBlockers read my other posts before getting snarky, I don’t like boot-lickers or trolls but they also have constitutional protection when charges may be forthcoming)
I lived with four fellows who had Downs – my parents were paid by the state to provide housing for them – and my sister-in-law also has Downs. I grew up with these people and they have attitudes and emotions like the rest of us. When they copped a bad attitude and refused to budge, I treated them like I did my little brothers: hauled their asses where they needed to be. I would not hesitate to use my skills as a life-long wrestler to wrap them up – Steve was a wild one and would lash out, but Ernie was as flexible as a noodle and hard to hold; Gene and Harold rarely caused problems – and move them as needed. It probably wasn’t “state approved,” but fuck that. I wasn’t being paid by the state, anyway.
In all those situations over all those years, I never once killed any of them. I did floor Stevie, once, and I know it hurt, but you don’t hit Ernie or Gene and get away with it.
It’s incomprehensible that three – count ‘em: three – deputies couldn’t handle one unruly guy with Downs without killing him, when a single 16-year-old could handle two. We’re not talking hardened gangstas, here: these guys are flaccid, at best. They have the muscle tone of an eggplant.
In short, these cops are murdering thugs who should be put in jail. You don’t go from sitting in your seat to having a fatal “medical emergency” without some major violence, and anyone standing up for these murderers is seriously unbalanced.
The officers did the right thing according to this article. Downs syndrome or not….apparently he wasn’t so bad that he had to have someone stay with him when he goes out. Hope that when the lawsuit comes, you “cop blocker” types will “nullify” and send the family / complainants packing.
Have you read the story about them choking him to death? Not just the official line from their fellow cops, but the word from people who were there, and not actively killing the decedent?
But then again, you are quick to excuse even murder (or breaking a mans legs in 8 places with metal truncheons) if Team Blue does it.
Choking someone to death for not getting up from their seat is par for the course for Team Blue. And you wonder why more people hate your kind every day?
And did you read that they MADE his caretaker leave before they strangled him to death? Fewer witnesses in their game of who can kill the retard first…
Having no idea the effects of Downs Syndrome, maybe Lakewood could tell use how he copes with it….
Lakewood?
The welder speaks. Fine insult.
Creativity – 3/10 (not stupid, just lame)
Topical – 6/10 (on topic, did not wander)
Grammar – 2/10 (sentence fragment, expected from a tech school type)
Clarity – 6/10 (simple, very welder-like)
Humor – 5/10 (funny enough, I suppose)
44/100. Getting better.
Oh…so they intentionally killed him before they tried to save him. Maybe you should give emptying bedpans and get into military intelligence with that kind of thinking.
Yours are the empty words of a man who has never entered the arena. You stand and jeer at me for doing what i have to, with no experience to base your opinion on.
I’m sorry you were either to weak physically or mentally to be hire by the departments you applied for. Your anger and hatred are surely generated by rejection. From your approach to me very issue…the at best, superficial understanding of the issues…my be indicative that you got booted out during the physiological. The world is far better of that you are on the outside looking in….but I will pity you.
i hope the family wins big and i would be keeping it in the public eye untill charges ARE filed against his killers, keep contacting the prosecuters office demanding that something be done get the disability lawyers and groups involved keep it moving till justice is done stupidity is not an excuse for murder if you are too dumb to know how to deal with persons with disabilities call someone smarter than you,like maybe emt’s or fire dept but no they wanted to rough somebody up i myself plan on contacting the prosecuter in the area and voice my concerns in a calm nice manner
if cops had ANY UNDERSTANDING at all we would not need sites like this, all cops seem to have is testtosterone or roid rage and an I am cop I am right, oh well we will keep filming keep getting bad cops fired every chance we get and judging by the growing number of news stories about ex cops being convicted of all their various crimes proves it IS working keep up the great work cop block you opened my eyes and those of everyone i have shared this with and that is how real grassroot movements begin
T, I have never seen you side with anyone other than the police, are you saying that men in positions of authority are incapable of abuse of said power? if then i call bull. Also its been upheld in congress that if someone scores too high on their police test, then the precinct has the right not to hire them, since I am assuming your an LEO, that probably means you are the one who is mentally weak.
I do not even acknowledge the need for your profession to exist.
And I am sure, once their game of “choke the tard” got out of hand the “tried to save him”. Or more properly, save their own assess.
And of course, since they are picked for low IQ themselves, were never warned not to put a down’s sufferer in a choke hold, as they tend toward instability in the C1/C2 vertebrae. Anyone with a passing familiarity with medicine, or who should have been briefed on not breaking the necks of down’s sufferers, would know this.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1180354-overview
Officer’s Idiot, Imbecil and Doofus likely broke his neck in their playful game of “taunt the tard”. Oopsie!
this one just makes a person sick, but have seen the type that killed this young man. I truly hope they get what they deserve, a 7 foot tall roomie in prison named bubba, so they can find out what it feels like to be helpless
We have all seen their type. Second string linemen in Highschool. Brave in large groups against the defenseless, like a troop of baboons. Quick to brawl, again in groups, again against the defenseless. Zero prospects, other than to go work with Common in the metal shop or slinging asphalt on a road crew.
They take a test, score sufficiently low as to not question the system, but high enough for basic function past the brainstem.
Presto. Cop.
Jefferson: As I believe you are normal poster masquerading…I’ll answer you accordingly.
First: Your moniker. You do realize that you chose the name of a slave owner that thought freedom only applied to white guys, right? And that he regularly attended church inside the Capital building…strongly believing that this nation was based on Christian ideals that have now been corrupted? You do know that right?
Second: “Upheld on congress”. Congress does uphold any thing doof. And you had better check your info. The average IQ for law enforcement is just below that of doctors / surgeons. Just saying…look it up. You are just believing what you are told on this site by those that are intentionally leading you astray.
As for your statement that you never see disagree with the police. Research that one too. I don’t flatly agree with anyone. I have openly admitted that there are instances of police and government misconduct. But most of what is posted / linked too / discussed / even made up…doesn’t show that.
This story is exactly what Pete Erye calls for all the time….the voluntary society at work. This is private security (the officer were off duty) at a private business. The decedent is a customer of the business that violated the terms of the contract. Those with the money…imposing what they want. Right. That’s what Pete wants. Private security, not the police state. This is it in function.
Now it’s horrible that this happened. It always is. But what should the business do? Sure, you violate the contract all you want, no repercussions Take all you’d like. We will just bill someone else for it.
But if you’ve never had to fight a mentally challenged person…the. You have no clue. It’s like fighting with a drunk. I’d be better off just really hurting them right away because the more you try not to hurt them, the worse it always ends up. The last one I fought was similar. He destroyed the interior of he “home” to include lost of broken glass (which of course was dangerously laying around). 3 of us tried to keep him from hurting himself and everyone else there, without hurting him. After a while, and him trying to bite me, I ended up caving in his leg and we were able to get him into custody without much injury. Now I’ll bet his leg hurt for weeks. I probably would have been better off tasing him rigt away…but we weren’t trying to hurt him. That’s what happened in this incident. That had to get him to leave…..and after multiple attempts to reason with him they went hands on. With his condition he didn’t respond to normal pain I puts and things escalated. Nothing more. No intent. No wrongful action. In fact it appears to be just the opposite I that the officer did e dry thing the could not to hurt him and when hey did, the attempted first aid immediately
Don’t be lead. Not by a superficial understanding of your moniker nor by those around here that intentionally mislead.
I am impressed with their restraint. It’s fortunate they were so careful. Imagine how bad it could have been if they hadn’t been as careful.
The average IQ of a cop is around that of a surgeon? Really?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
This one is interesting as well:
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx
Can you post the link where cops are just short of neurosurgeons in IQ? I am ready to be wowed!
Police are trained to supposedly “ask, tell, force”. The problem we see quite often is that police officers don’t have the i.q. to recognize the difference between ask and tell so the use of force becomes option number one.
From that chart police seem to fall short. I have a very hard time believing the average police officers IQ is even close to what it says there though. I mean hell being a cop is one of the few jobs that have a maximum IQ limit. I would guess average IQ of cop to be much closer to 85-90. That chart does include detectives so maybe that is bring up the average up a lot.
There are lots of lists. Many place officers at an a stage of 110. Your list. Ask ally shows that over half are between 100 and 120. Oh, kinda like 110.
Many lists also show military enlistees are less and less likely to have even a high school diploma. Less than 85% have graduated high school. They also show an average iq between 100-105.
Again these are all averages. And the researchers and list Cary pretty widely. So mostly they rely don’t mean much. Maybe if your iq was higher your understand that.
t. says:
“The average IQ for law enforcement is just below that of doctors / surgeons. Just saying…look it up.”
Lakewood_in_Afghanistan did look it up and your claim (like so many posted here) is a bunch of bs. If you had a higher IQ you wouldn’t need to make asinine claims about the average IQ of LEOs.
And let me drop some knowledge on you: No matter how you “average” it LEOs aren’t even in the same ballpark as doctor’s or surgeons.
Look e en at the single chart be posted. My claims….still spot on.
I thought those numbers we too high but from reading a few different places it looks like the average cops IQ is around 104. This is just an average though and I think really doesn’t represent the any cop that well. I am willing to bet there are many officers with higher IQ like 110-120 and then some with like 80-90 range. This seems to be just for example in some places there are really cool cops who tend to have a higher IQ. For example where I live now most cops have 4 year degrees and are smart guys. I used to live in an area that most the cops have a high school diploma at best, and were some of the most unethical peices of shit to walk this planet. Pretty sure their IQ was around 80. Would be interesting to see if there is any kind of correlation between high IQ and cool cop and low IQ and shitty cop.
Killed for wanting to watch the movie again? That is really FUCKED UP!!!
All you FUCKING COPS are a complete waste of taxpayer dollars!!!
And “NO COMMON SENSE” – go fuck your self!!! You piece of shit badge licker!!!
They were acting as private security. No tax payer money. This is the private security / armies that Pete wants. He is violating the contract he agreed to. This is what you voluntarism types should want.
t. says:
“Look e en at the single chart be posted. My claims….still spot on.”
Wow, can’t read a chart either. You must be a patrol officer because you would probably have an aneurysm trying to comprehend crime statistics.
Still spot on.
“t” the Neurosurgeon
In reading the chart, using the marks you missed for 10th, 25th, 50th, 75th and 100th percentile.
MDs: 10th (Stupidest) – 107 or “not too bad, brains-wise”
Cops: 10th (Stupidest) – 85 or “if you keep your bang-shooty thing clean and only strangle negroes you can have pudding”
MDs across all ranges: 107,112,121(50th),126,133
Cops across all ranges: 85,95,103(50th),109,116
See, “t” the Oncologist is absolutely correct… if you can’t do math.
Lakewood, don’t forget the steroid poisoning that most cops suffer from.
Disarm cops for a safer America.
All cops lie, all the time.
I concur with their being an inordinate number of bullet headed, oakley wearing roid freaks on Team Blue. But happily, steroid abuse leads to all sorts of horrible health issues.
Couldn’t happen to more deserving “people”.
Again, on this one chart. There are lots of them out there google rangers. BTW, the numbers get skewed when you are forced to add In all the ex soldiers we hire. Most have bachelor degrees or more….the ex-military pretty much have be told how to tie their shoes. It’s probably because the military takes I. So many high school drop out / GED types.
But look around, lots of researchers making lots of different charts with lots of different info.
A good example is Flakewood. Can’t get hired on the outside….probably because he can’t stay on point on anything. Since he can’t carry on a conversation on the topic at hand….he tries to change the subject to something he thinks he is stronger on. So sad.
Again, “t” the Neurosurgeon, show us your source for cops and surgeons having practically the same IQ range. We are all ready to be dazzled by your brilliance…
It was your rambling at Jefferson and your laughable comment that brought out the IQ studies:
“The average IQ for law enforcement is just below that of doctors / surgeons. Just saying…look it up.”
I was perfectly content to mock your contention that the three doofuses in question used any kind of human level thought processess in their lethal game of “choke the tard”. After all, if they hadn’t been such Valiant Warriors In Blue (TM), something awful might have happened and They Might Not Have Gone Home Safe At The End Of Their Shift (TM). Officer Safety (TM) is paramount, after all.
“t” has fled the area after being unable to back up his moronic claim. Truly his own postings show how close his IQ is the level of a surgeon…
Maybe Common can get you a position on his welding crew (average IQ 93).
Now T is just being ridiculous, trying to blame cops lower IQ on former soliders. It is hard to get a accurate average IQ for all enlisted soliders but this link appears to do a very good job of calculating it. http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/11/average-iq-of-enlisted-men.html
So average cops IQ is 104 and average solider is 105. So if anything soliders are helping bring up the total IQ of cops. Also the military is comprised of many different jobs. You have very basic jobs, like cooks and janitors that have a lower IQ. Then you have all they way up to jobs like a navy nuclear technician that most likely has an IQ that exceeds the limit for being a police officer.
After reading your continued posts….I stand correct
so if i am a bouncer at a club[private security] i can kill any fool who refuses to leave and get away with it? wow cool i will spread the word my staff is really tired of those lippy asshole off duty cops that keep comming in here and stinking up the place now we know we have a free pass so we can drop em and stop em and then say we were just doing our job
Opinion: That’s according to PeteEryes volunteerist society. Its all about contracts and private party security (private armies). If you have the money to hire the security….and someone breaks the contract….according to his theory…whatever it takes. I surprised he hasn’t weighed in on this to defend the officer and the theater. This is the future he wants.
Oh, and to Flakewood and others: Thanks for playing along. It was one of those sneaky cop tricks that work so well on you cop blocker types. By flakkeowoods on admission and reinforced by others….Flakewood retard rants about 85 IG has been shown to be just a lie. Average of 105 now. 20 point gain.
Ha ha
So the 10th percentile, an IQ level where they actually give them guns and badges is… 85.
But try to salvage what you can, using your near-neurosurgeon IQ power. Though one would think, at such a high level of IQ, you could have thought up this admittedly weak rebuttal in less than 18 hours.
So that was “a sneaky cop trick that works so well”? Having your ignorant statement shoved directly up your ass?
“The average IQ for law enforcement is just below that of doctors / surgeons. Just saying…look it up.”
We did. You’re an idiot.
T im not real smart. Barely graduated high school. But even I could out smart someone with down syndrome. So if ur average cop is almost as smart as a surgeon. How come three out of three couldnt trick him out of the movie theater?
P: It very likely wasn’t about “outsmarting” someone. We are getting a very small fraction ofthe information about what happened . And you need to keep in mind where you are reading that story.
Most likely (and again, we don’t know for sure) what happened was that a peaceful contact turned violent when the decedent decided he didn’t want to go and turned violent.
The officer probably tried to be as unforceful as possible (personally I think this is almost always a really bad idea and leads to suspect and officer injuries….if you are going to place your hands on someone, if you are legally justified in doing so, don’t half-ass it. That’s not talking about just slamming people, but take control and don’t leave room for the resistance / fight). By using kid gloves, they probably made matters worse, not better.
When a physical confrontation takes places with Downs syndrome folks…its a lot like fighting drunks, EDP’s, or someone on PCP (which is most likely the most violent you will ever see). Merely restraining these folks is extremely difficult.
“Merely restraining these folks is extremely difficult.”
So breaking their necks is better…
Ah, the king of the no comprehension world speaks again….showing why he’s the king.
So I misread. Three cops did not choke/asphyxiate/break a fellow human’s neck.
Three cops did not take actions that led to someone being zipped into a body bag?
And you are not bending yourself in knots trying to justify three men taking actions that put a fellow human 6 feet underground because restraining retards is hard?
Because from here it seems that three men gang assaulted a fellow man, and in the end he was dead. And you have been trying to explain why it is just better to hurt tards badly at the outset.
I worked at a state hospital for many years and had to work with people with down syndrome and other retardation disorders. They are very easy people to work with, most times they have similar intelligence to young children. It is very easy to get them to do what you need them to do, just requires bribery and being a bit clever with them.
I doubt this started peaceful. The cops probably started out very aggressive, like most do. The man with down syndrome most likely responded in a very childish manner and the cops felt disrespected. Using lakewoods term, they then most likely started their game of choke a tard to show their power. The man with down syndrome probably started to fight back, and the one correct thing T has said, is that people with nearly any form of retardation usually have tremendous strength. This would have escalated the situation to the man with down syndrome being killed. It’s a really horrible event and most likely the cause is poor officer training where they had no clue how to deal with someone with a mental disability like down syndrome.
Lucky they were all trained professionals. If they hadn’t been, something horrible might have happened.