Rochester, NY Police officer Tells Rape Victim, “Blow me you little whore” after she asks for RPD Officers’ Names and Badge Numbers

Published On March 9, 2013 | By Davy V. | Articles

By Davy V.

Kristen Walker and her boyfriend James had stopped at the 7 Eleven on Emerson St. near her home in Rochester, NY to buy some scratch-off lottery tickets early Wednesday morning, March 6, 2013 around 1:00 a.m.

As her boyfriend James grabbed a chocolate milk drink, he couldn’t help but notice that the security guard, John, an off-duty Rochester, NY Police officer was following him in the store and staring him down.

James, who is African-American tried ignoring the security guard and proceeded to the counter to pay for his chocolate milk and the lottery tickets.

The couple then got into their car and started to drive back home.

As they were pulling out of the parking lot, they noticed a Rochester, NY Police cruiser at the traffic light.

As they turned left on Emerson St., the Rochester Police cruiser followed them closely behind, then a second cruiser also began to follow them.

James made a right on the corner of Emerson and Santee Streets.

That’s when both Rochester Police cruisers pulled them over, in front of 189 Santee Street.

One Rochester Police officer approached James on the driver’s side of the car, and two more officers approached on the passenger side, with one coming up to Kristen’s door and the other standing next to the rear passenger door, looking in the back seat.

At this point, the officer on the driver’s side asked James to step out of the car after having asked him for his drivers license.

Kristen rolled her window down and handed her i.d. to the officer on her side, and asked the officer, whom she described as tall, about 6′ 2″ with salt and pepper hair, why they had been pulled over.

The officer responded “None of your fucking business, we don’t have to have a fucking reason to stop you.”

“Well, to make a traffic stop you have to have a reason”, Kristen said to the officer.

The officer replied “Yeah?, you smart ass little bitch, get the fuck out of the car.”

Then, as Kristen went to step out, the officer grabbed her by her arm, twisting it behind her back.

At this time, Kristen told the officer that she suffered from PTSD as a result of having been raped in 2007, and that she did not feel comfortable with the officer grabbing her like that.

The officer laughed.

The second officer, then grabbed Kristen on her left side, and they both walked her over to the back of the cruiser, and slammed her head on the trunk.

“I yelled at them like what are you doing, and they told me to shut the fuck up”, said Kristen.

“I have freedom of speech”, Kristen said to the officers, to which one of the officers replied ‘Well, your freedom of speech is about to have your freedom taken from you.’

During this entire time, Kristen had her cell phone in her hands, as her goal was to try to record what they were doing to her.

One of the officers took Kristen’s phone away from her and handcuffed her.

Then, instead of calling a female officer to search Kristen, as is standard protocol, and despite her Kristen having told the officers about her PTSD as a result of being raped, both male officers conducted a pat down search of Kristen, even sticking their hands in her pockets.

“They never touched my crotch area or anything, but I felt very uncomfortable with them patting me down, and not having had a female officer search me”, Kristen told me via phone.

Still not knowing why she and her boyfriend James had been pulled over, Kristen was then placed in the back of an RPD cruiser, but not before one of the officers told Kristen “I should beat the fuck out of you.”

Kristen told the officer “Go ahead, because if you hit me I will have your badge.”

The officer then pointed his pepper spray canister at Kristen’s face as if he were going to spray her, but didn’t, then closed the door.

Kristen then saw the second officer, whom Kristen describes as shorter, chunky, and also having salt and pepper hair, but longer than the first officer, going through her phone, while the first officer flipped her the finger through the rear window of the cruiser.

Then, when one of the officers walked around, and opened the front passenger door of the police cruiser, Kristen asked him for his name and badge number and the officer replied “Blow me.”

“Blow you huh?”, Kristen said to the officer.

“Then he replied ‘Yep, blow me you little whore’, and he closed the door”, said Kristen.

Shortly after, Kristen noticed an African-American female officer who had arrived on the scene, she describes the officer as being someway short in height, in her 20’s or early 30’s and having her hair in micro-braids, pulled back as in a bun.

“The female officer then walked by the car I was in, looked inside and said ‘Aw, look at the little baby crying.’, said Kristen.

Kristen then recalls a different male RPD officer entering the car she was in and telling her to calm down.

“I asked him what was going on but he wouldn’t answer me, he asked me why was I so upset and I told him about my PTSD, I even told him that I thought that police officers are supposed to be held to a higher standard, and he said ‘yes we are but I can’t say anything, because I wasn’t there.’

“The officer told me to take deep breaths, and he said he would be back in a few minutes, then he stepped out of the car”, said Kristen.

“He returned and I asked him once again what was going on and the officer says to me that I had reached under my seat which I told him was not true, then he says to me ‘Here’s the deal, we’re going to let you go’ I then told him that I wanted their names and badge numbers, and he says ‘If you get their names and badge numbers you’re either going to jail for disorderly conduct or they’ll take you to the hospital for a mental health arrest.’

“The officer told me that I wouldn’t have to deal with the officers anymore, he said to me ‘I will take you out of the car and I will take the handcuffs off of you and once I do you are to walk around the police car and not say anything and get in your car and leave’, so I did exactly what he told me.”

Kristen’s boyfriend James was also released and when they got home, Kristen called 911 and asked for supervisor.

A while later, a Sergeant called back and it was then, that Kristen finally learned why she and her boyfriend had been pulled over.

It turns out the Sgt. told Kristen that when she and her boyfriend were at the 7 Eleven, the security guard, who again, is an off-duty Rochester Police officer, made a call to 911 after he thought it was suspicious that Kristen and her boyfriend had what he referred to as a “massive amount of cash on them.”

The Sgt. told Kristen that the security guard felt that was suspicious and so he called 911, and the officers had to respond to the call.

Kristen could not believe it.

She explained to the Sgt. that the money that she and her boyfriend had was their tax returns and she asked the Sgt. was it against the law to have alot of money.

The Sgt. replied that it was not, but repeated that they had to follow up because there was a call made.

Kristen asked the Sgt. for the officers’ names, but the Sgt. refused to give them to her.

The Sgt. then began to bombard Kristen with questions including her date of birth, Kristen responded by telling the Sgt. that she was done answering questions and reminded him that it was she who had called him to get the names and badge numbers of the officers.

The Sgt. hung up on Kristen.

And so, Kristen, an innocent woman who serves in the National Guard, who spent several weeks in New York City helping with the relief efforts after Hurricane Sandy, a woman who was raped, is referred to as a whore, and is told to “blow” a dirty, rogue cop, who along with his fellow officers, including a woman officer, violated her rights, laughed at her when she told them she suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, as a result of having been raped, called her all kinds of names, then in essence, threaten her by telling her that if she continues to ask for the names and badge numbers of these rogue cops, she will be arrested.

 

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Davy V. is a Cuban-American Filmmaker, Video Producer, Photographer and Freelance Writer, best known for using the power of video and film to expose Police Brutality, Corruption and Misconduct. The son of the late Mario Vara, a community activist who for years fought against Police Brutality and Misconduct in Rochester, New York, Davy V. got his start in Television and Video by tagging along and working camera for his father's cable access television show, "La Voz Del Pueblo" (The Voice of The People). Davy V. later went on to produce and host "KEEP IT ON THE REEL", a cable access TV show with a mix of Hip Hop as well as issues affecting African-Americans and Latinos in Rochester, NY, such as Police Brutality and Misconduct. Some guests on the show included Treach, KayGee and Vinnie of Naughty by Nature, Method Man, Funkdoobiest, Da Youngstas, and the Rottin' Razkals. Davy V. won the U.S. ACM Video Festival Award for his Documentary, "R.P.D. EXPOSED!" about the Rochester, New York Police Department and their long history of misconduct, corruption and unnecessary killings of unarmed innocent citizens. "R.P.D. EXPOSED!" and Davy V.'s follow up, "R.P.D.: Badges of DISHONOR, CORRUPTION and MURDER!" were both screened at the National Hip Hop Political Convention at Rutgers University in Newark, New Jersey. Davy V.'s work has been featured in publications such as THE SOURCE Hip Hop Magazine, URBAN AMERICA Magazine, The Ave. Magazine, Insider Magazine, La Voz Newspaper, Minority Reporter Newspaper, CNY LATINO Newspaper, DOWN Magazine, as well as on television news stations, and programs such as CNN and Inside Edition. In addition to his freelance writing, Davy V. also writes a monthly Op/Ed Column for LA VOZ Magazine and Minority Reporter Newspaper. In June 2012, Davy V. joined Cop Block as a regular contributor.
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  • http://truthspew.wordpress.com Truthspew

    That is completely despicable behavior on the part of those cops. Instead of the cops, needle the politicians. They’re the ones who pull the strings on the cops. Make sure those politicians know, hear testimony, watch videos, hear recordings etc. Because police do have to be reigned in.

  • Wicked Vet

    This is horrible, I hope something is done to correct this. I wonder how the cop-bangers will justify this behavior.

  • d0nj3nko

    I do not doubt one bit of this story… You will have the usual badge lickers posting soon to try and disprove and discredit the story but remember they are but badge lickers lol! Love that name, sounds so dirty but unfortunately it is true! God bless us all.

  • courtofpublicopinion
  • t.

    Right. But she of course recorded nothing. And there are no dash cams?

    Another piece of Davy V. fiction.

  • Shawn

    @T

    What, you’re totally unaware of cops deleting unwanted dashcam video or ‘forgetting’ to turn it on? Cops hate video, even their own.

    I would like to know the record of the two people, if they have one. If they don’t, their credibility goes up. RPD has no credibility.
    But to you, anything someone says about a cop is automatically a lie, and anything cops say is automatically the truth, even if they already destroyed their reputation as an officer or PD.

    While I would like some evidence to back it up, this is certainly not uncommon attitudes from cops. Look at your own happy go attitude about searching people and checkpoints.
    And I’d believe anything about Rochester PD. They think they’re gods.

  • Accountability

    Kristen you need to call the local news and get an attorney and sue. That thuggish bullshit they did should have them in jail. Go to your Congressman’s office and demand help, go to the State Attorneys Office and demand help. Contact the local news.

  • TheReb

    You can’t rely on dash cam video. In a case that I was involved in, my attorney requested the dash cam video, and we got it all right. It was chopped into several different segments, and the segments containing the most important evidence somehow did not have any audio track. Curious, right? Scumbags. As far as they are concerned, that is their evidence, not yours. They’ll edit it up, and call it technical difficulties.

  • Radical Dude

    This type of article should include the time and date of the incident.
    It contains a pretty good amount of detail other than that, but it is pretty pertinent to know when it happened, not just where.

  • Radical Dude

    Oh, I guess I missed the “early wednesday morning”, better than nothing, still I think it should be more detailed, like the month, date, year etc. You may not know the exact time, but you should be able to narrow it down to within an hour or two.

  • Radical Dude

    Here are some suggestions for Kristen and James (I’m not a lawyer, this isn’t legal advise):
    File a written complaint with the police department. Caption it “criminal complaint”, and lay out the specific statutes they violated, as well as the rights they violated:

    Penal code of New York violations/ violent crimes:
    S 120.14 Menacing in the second degree.
    When the cop pointed pepper spray in her face

    S 120.20 Reckless endangerment in the second degree.
    Pretty much the whole pattern of conduct described on the part of the cops.

    S 135.20 Kidnapping in the second degree.
    Applies to the unlawful abduction of both Kristen and James from their vehicle. This is a felony crime.

    S 135.60 Coercion in the second degree.
    When the cop used coercive threats, specifically the threat of arrest for asking for names and badge numbers, to coerce Kristen into not asking their info, which is her right.

    S 135.05 Unlawful imprisonment in the second degree.
    Applies to the unlawful traffic stop, as well as the illegal seizure of Kristen effectuated by locking her in the cop car.

    S 120.00 Assault in the third degree.
    Applies to the cop forcefully grabbing Kristen by the arm.

    S 120.07 Gang assault in the first degree.
    Applies to the cop slamming her head on the car. This is a felony crime. This could arguably be considered S 120.00 Assault in the third degree or S 120.10 Assault in the first degree., or
    S 120.25 Reckless endangerment in the first degree., rather than S 120.07 Gang assault in the first degree.
    S 120.25 Reckless endangerment in the first degree. would probably be easiest to prove(also a felony), since they could argue it didn’t cause “serious injury” if their was no concussion, and it would be your burden/ prosecutor’s burden of proof.

    S 240.60 Falsely reporting an incident in the first degree.
    Applies to the cops falsifying their report. This is also considered a felony.

    S 240.20 Disorderly conduct.
    Applies to the verbal abuse perpetrated by the criminals/police/gang members.

    The illegal pat downs could probably be considered “battery” in most of the geographical area known as “United States”, however New York statutes don’t seem to recognize a crime called “battery”, the closest they come are the statutes on “assault”, which require a “physical injury” generally. A solid argument could be made that the pat downs caused a physical injury, especially insofar as they possibly aggravated the PTSD. That said, the pat down does constitute a “tort” of battery, so you should definitely include the pat down/battery in the complaint.

    Rights violated:
    Right to bodily integrity.
    Right to be free of unreasonable searches.
    Right to be free of unreasonable seizures.
    Right to liberty.
    Right to free speech.
    Right to be free of harassment.
    Right to Due process.

    1st, 4th, 6th/14th amendments of constitution. Especially fourth.

    New York Civil Rights – § 8 – Right of Search and Seizure

  • Radical Dude

    ^^^Correction^^^
    It should say “5th amendment” rather than 6th

  • courtofpublicopinion

    right t. just like those lawsuits you CLAIM to have filed and won but we still have not seen the proof so that is just a fantasy of yours without proof!

  • Radical Dude

    Then after filing a “criminal complaint” with the police department, also file a copy with the local sheriff, grand jury, and prosecutor/DA.
    You can also file it with the court directly. And like courtofpublicopinion alluded to, report it to the DOJ as well as FBI.

    Then, follow up with an “administrative claim” with the city of Rochester, that is based on substantially the same facts as the criminal complaint. This is the first formal step of initiating a law suit, although filing a criminal complaint is an important strategic first step. The reason is this: they will have to do an “investigation” which will probably be run as a cover-up rather than a legit good faith “investigation” as such. This puts them in a double bind/ dilemma. They can sustain the criminal complaint( they probably won’t) or they can reach a finding of “exonerated” or similar finding. Either result helps your case, and here is how:
    If the officers are found guilty of wrong doing, it significantly
    helps you reach your burden of proof. If they are exonerated, that effectively “ratifies” their actions. If their criminal conduct is “ratified” then you have a case against the municipality as well as the cops as individuals, which will allow you to compel discovery from the municipality, i.e. they must reveal the cops’ names. So, you definitely need to put in a criminal complaint, and it must be in writing, and I would suggest (not advise as I’m not your lawyer)
    using certified mail, and be sure to keep extra copies.

  • Radical Dude

    @courtofpublicopinion

    Do your own research, I’m presenting information, you can research the relevant “case law”, statutes, etc. Don’t take the word of some rando on the internet, research the info I’ve presented and you will find it checks out. I’ve done hundreds, maybe thousands of hours of research- I had to in order to win my case in federal court vs a whole team of legal professionals. As to the cases I won, there are 3. One of them was vs the police and one was a case I put together on behalf of someone else, I did the paperwork, and yes, she got paid, too. And I would be willing to help others with their cases on a contingency basis as well, including James and Kristen. I really don’t care a whole lot if you believe me unless you want me to work on a case for you, in which case, yes you deserve to see some proof that my tactics work.

  • courtofpublicopinion

    @ radicaldude i was talking to t he keeps saying that he sued a couple of people and won but he has not posted ANY proof so i guess by HIS standards it never happened i agree with you i think she should make a federal case out of this and smear their badges from one end of this country to the other good luck i hope you get them.

  • Radical Dude

    @courtofpublicopinion

    Haha, oops, gotcha. I thought it was a response to my comment since it was right before yours. I chatted w/ t a bit about his cases, I believe him. I mean, yes he probably did obtain a favorable judgment, however I would be skeptical of whether he actually collected on it, I don’t know, though, maybe he did. If you are reading this t, did you ever get paid?

  • http://google workingman

    another reason for keeping a phone or camera at hand when driving or when ever you leave your house,try not to let them know that you are recording them and keep your mouth shut!

  • Radical Dude

    Here are where you can find the “Freedom of Information Record Access Request Application”:

    http://www.cityofrochester.gov/article.aspx?id=8589935996

    http://www.cityofrochester.gov/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=8589937079

    I would suggest getting one filled out ASAP, to get copies of police reports/ cops’ names, dash cam, etc.

    Also, I suggest get your criminal complaint, and administrative claim filed ASAP because you want to get your case moving along so you can get the ball rolling on your lawsuit within the statute of limitations. The sooner you are able to act, the better. You can file vs “John Doe” defendants if you need to, if you don’t know their names.

  • jg

    The date on the article is now in the future. Today is March 10, 2013 & the article says the happened on March 13, 2013…

  • jg

    Ah, now they’ve changed it to March 6.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Anyone who has ever dealt with a cop will tend to believe her story.

    Most cops are 85 IQ dipshits in bad polyester uniforms. Giving an 85 IQ dipshit a little power only leads to evil.

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  • Common Sense

    Another fabrication…

  • Accountability

    Don’t let these cops off. They are dangerous ! File a lawsuit !

  • Mittens

    What a bunch of fucking god damn bullshit. What goes around comes around. Maybe these cops will get raped. That’d be funny.

  • courtofpublicopinion

    I see she is in the national guard hope she stays there if martial law is declared she will be the one with the BIG gun flak jacket ect. hmm wonder how many service guys have a beef with certain cops when they are in charge it could get really ugly!

  • OKE

    I do not doubt this at all. Not at all. Rogue cops give a bad name to the entire Force. I wish other cops would have the balls to expose them no matter the consequences. Can anyone say Serpico?

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Court,

    Cops hate soldiers, due to the fact that soldiers have the public’s respect. Cops lost the public for good with the advent of youtube and the permanenet record that the internet provides.

    It pains them that they also wear a uniform but get no love.

  • Shawn

    @T

    “@shawn: The problem with this story is the exacting amount of detail and how each and everything that every officer did was so far out there and they had no reason to do a thrift g they did”

    I’ve experienced cops doing “far out things” myself. Fortunately, nothing that could end in an arrest, just harassment. And as for no reason, in one incident I had no immediate reason for what the cop did. Until I mentioned her name to my father.
    She and him and played before. And she was clearly angry that he filed a complaint against her.
    How do I know, my brother overheard her bragging to a friend about using me. Unfortunately, Collier County FL isn’t known for controlling the swine. In fact, at the time they removed cameras from cop cars because there were being used AGAINST them in court.

    Just because you don’t know the reason, doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Which is why I never trust the intentions of a cop.

  • Shawn

    @T

    And Rochester PD doesn’t exactly have the Mayberry reputation.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    Winning the hearts and minds.

    POLICE OFFICER RAPES A THREE MONTH OLD INFANT AND A ONE YEAR OLD CHILD!

    When you see common sense, t., underoath, psosgt and all the other shills spew their boot-licking propaganda here on Cop Block, remember, THIS IS WHO THEY ARE, THIS IS WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DEFEND!

    Wichita KS police officer Officer Joseph T. McGill, 28, was convicted today of committing a sexual act on a 3-month-old child and a 1-year-old child. Officer McGill pleaded guilty in January 2012 in an unrelated case to sexual battery while on duty as a police officer and was sentenced to three years probation. Those charges stemmed from separate incidents in November 2010 and February 2011. The judge set sentencing for March 1.

    http://www.kansas.com/2013/01/24/2649372/former-police-officer-convicted.html

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/ClusterClutch Reba

    i know the RPD is corrupt, like many other police depts.. but something seems fishy about this story. the supposed woman in this story was smart enough to employ her cell phone as a recording device, recite various rights, and was thorough enough to explain her supposed PTSD, AND is in the national guard, did not look at any name badges, car numbers and license plates on the officers or the cars. I do not believe this embellishment for a second.

  • http://www.etsy.com/shop/ClusterClutch Reba

    please refer to Yellow Journalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

    as that is what this fool is feeding you all. please remember to look for credentials of news reports made by civilians. it is clear this person is a mindless “cop hater” with a problem with authority.and was not hugged enough by his mother growing up. think for yourself people, do the research and help yourself before you try to dish out advice on the “victims”. I should only hope to see that people who read these stories do so with a critical and mindful eye before supporting or buying into a false cause when there are so many legit injustices going on around us that need our attention.

  • t.

    Shawn: whatever guy. You always know more and have seen and experienced more, and have insiders that have told you more…it just goes on and on.

    BTW, Rochester isn’t Mayberry either other guy.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    t

    No doubt. Things like this NEVER happen. Cops are always professional and by the book.

    The reason we believe it is entirely possible is because it happens daily. Youtube is not your friend, cop.

  • t.

    Whatever. The numbers are on my side.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    And the trust and admiration of the citizens is on mine.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Don’t feel bad. Maybe people will come to accept that tasing pregnant women and beating senior citizens is necessary for their “security”. Then you win.

  • t.

    Some how I am not surprised that you would believe everything Davy V. says. For he has been shown to be completely untrustworthy. Heck, even the videos that he posts that show the opposite of what he says they show…and still you believe. Not surprised, you are the founding head of the Legion of Fools.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Ever seen the video of the cop tasing the mother in front of her children over a later dismissed speeding ticket? Ever seen the video of the cop tasing the teenaged girl that fell face first and is now brain dead? Ever seen the video of the SWAT team blowing away the man armed with a golf club? Ever seen the video of the NYPD cop pepper spraying unarmed women because he could?

    I have. How hard is it to believe that a cop would act like a fucking animal when it is so easy to access from the computer, thousands of clips of cops acting like animals?

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    The people are waking up to the truth.

    POLICE OFFICER RAPES A THREE MONTH OLD INFANT AND A ONE YEAR OLD CHILD!

    When you see common sense, t., underoath, psosgt and all the other shills spew their boot-licking propaganda here on Cop Block, remember, THIS IS WHO THEY ARE, THIS IS WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DEFEND!

    Wichita KS police officer Officer Joseph T. McGill, 28, was convicted today of committing a sexual act on a 3-month-old child and a 1-year-old child. Officer McGill pleaded guilty in January 2012 in an unrelated case to sexual battery while on duty as a police officer and was sentenced to three years probation. Those charges stemmed from separate incidents in November 2010 and February 2011. The judge set sentencing for March 1.

    http://www.kansas.com/2013/01/24/2649372/former-police-officer-convicted.html

  • t.

    Seen all of those. The brain dead was an OK use of force. The golf club actually made me laugh out loud at that PD. They released the video thinking it should that they did it right.

    No body has ever claimed there aren’t police abuses. Just like people get abused in and by the military. And teachers. And doctors. And lawyers. And their parents. And their spouses. But the millions of police contacts each year minimse your examples to a statisical anonyly.

  • Shawn

    @T
    “Shawn: whatever guy. You always know more and have seen and experienced more”
    I’d be careful with that stone, considering all you claim.

    I’ve never claimed ‘insiders’.
    As for what I’ve experienced, it is what it is. Mostly police dickheads in nonsense situations they create. Until I met Officer Nicholes in Collier, I thought cops were great too.

    As for Collier, they have a very well understood rep. You don’t don’t want to hear anything bad about cops. Cops are great, professional, yada yada yada.
    Not in the real world. In the real world, cops almost never pay for their mistakes and get away with just about anything unless it gets public notice. And that is why you hate this website, and cameras, and groups demanding more accountability and actual punishments.

    Well, more and more people get a personal education as to what cops are every day.
    Like the family who’s home got raided in Chicago and the popo had the wrong apartment. Of course cops didn’t take responsibility for their mistake. No one is punished for what they did to those people. Never are.
    Or the newspayer ladies and the guy who got shot at. You think no one notice that no one got punished for that?

  • t.

    Never said that. Never denied that there are police abuses. But you live in some crazy fantasy world where you think every cop in every department is looking to arrest people all day long. I have try to point it out time after time…but you always know better.

    People get stopped all the time….but claim they weren’t speeding, or didn’t run the stop sign. You and many here think that stopping people for those things is trivial…right up until they gethit by that driver running gthe stop sign, or driving drunk. Or it happens to someone they know. Its kinda like the gun issue. Everyone wants to run around armed….the old “an armed society is a polite society” idea. Well, not really. I stopped a crew of bikers yesterday because of their behavior as they were carrying concealed. They all had CCW permits, so that wasn’t the problem. The problem was that they were riding like idiots and terrorizing people on the highway by surrounding their cars and if you looked at them…they’d pull up there jackets and thrust a holder pistol at people. We got several calls about it but I could only contact one of those callers as the rest called to complain, but didn’t want to be involved and there was no way to contact them. The reaction at the stop told me that the callers were correct….but with only the one complainant…I didn’t have PC to charge them. Which is sad because each one needed their gun seized and their permits revoked. That’s real world dumbasses playing withguns. Very dangerous idiots iindeed.

    As for officers getting punished for mistakes. You couldn’t be more wrong. Again, you think you know so much but demonstrate again that you don’t. You have no idea about what happened to those officers. You just read some article somewhere and think your informed and that’s the end. I know that not all states have open records laws, but mine does. You can walk in and request all of my records including discipline, pay, promotions, assignments, etc.. You may have to pay for the cost of the copies…but you can get it all. But just because you don’t see it…doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

    As for what people learn everyday. Think about the post / video of the college girl getting arrested. Everyone starts spouting all kinds of vomit about it. She may be pissed. Her parents may be pissed. For now. But as she ages shell realize that she won’t want her kids doing the same stupid crap she did. She stay up at night worrying about her kids out underage drinking or doing whatever drugs.hoping they don’t die while driving, or get raped at some drunken party. She won’t want her kids to get arrested…and may even get mad if she gets a call because the police broke up some silly party. But the kids will still be alive. And that’s better.

    Mine is not a job to be “loved” or as Glenn=liar says….influencing the people. It is the thankless job of tough decisions. Its OK if youmdont like me. For every one of you….there are thousands and thousand that do…or at least understand. Yeah, they get nervous when they are driving because they don’t want a ticket. But they almost mob us with their kids when we’re out somewhere. They come up and say hello, ask noisy questions. Even when I worked in the “hood” when something bad happened, folks would call and most would help. There are good people everywhere that don’t want the criminals in their midst.

    Your threoy of some mass uprising and that people don’t like the police just doesn’t bare out with most people. Just because the dope lovers that don’t like the police because we arrest them, don’t like the police….that doesn’t mean that most folks’dont.

  • Common Sense

    I’m still waiting for Davy to release the necropsy results from all those dogs murdered by evil cops, you know, the one’s shot while running away….

    ….Davy?

    ….Davy?

  • courtofpublicopinion

    if you want to see charges filed against the lapd in the shooting spree on innocent people contact the doj i sent them a nice email asking WHEN charges would be filed for the crimes committed against these victims and since no lawful contact EVER took place in either case not even time to run their tags that makes every shot fired an attempted murder email for doj [email protected] the more people contact them asking this question the sooner something will be done[maybe]

  • Justin

    Davy Blocked me from commenting on his facebook page, because I know more about this. For one, The security guard that works at that 7-11 IS NOT an off duty RPD officer. I repeat…IS NOT OFF DUTY RPD!! This information came from one of the store managers, I asked him about this just a little while ago. So, IF this did happen, that security guard HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH them getting pulled over. They are not telling the whole story, and they know they are not. Just because she is in the National Guard we are supossed to believe EVERYTHING she says? Please. You people are sheep. Baaahhhh Baahhhhh!

  • Denise

    This story is completely unbelievable. I agree there are bad cops, but EVERY cop was talking trash to this poor little victim? I don’t believe any of it. None.

  • underoath

    I like how a story that has zero proof is taken like the gospel around here.

    Yet again another story that proves that cops are held to a higher standard. We can have it on tape, sworn witness statements, and all documentation needed and you guys still question it.

  • BluEyeDevil

    OATH = FAGGOT

    GOT TO AGREE, THIS STORY IS COMPLETE NONSENSE. NO BADGE NUMBERS, NO VIDEO FROM EITHER PARTY, NO CAR NUMBERS, NO WITNESS, NO PICTURES, NO POLICE REPORT, NO COMPLAINT REPORT, NO NOTHING. LOOK I HATE FUCKING ASSHOLE COPS TOO BUT WHERE THE FUCK IS THE EVIDENCE. HAVEN’T YOU LEARNED BY KNOW TO RECORD, RECORD, RECORD, RECORD. HONESTLY IF YOU WANT TO GET JUSTICE AND GET PAID IN THE END RECORD EVERYTHING. DAMN HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE…….

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  • A Guy Named Burt

    To Lakewood_in_Afghanistan: Don’t separate yourself too far from controversy and believe that you have the public’s respect. I have seen the things that soldiers have been doing to the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan on Youtube for the past decade. Most soldiers are honorable people, but how do you explain the senseless murdering and assaults which are occurring daily to innocent civilians. This question would also include what I have seen about children running up to the Humvee looking for candy or food, only to have their faces blow off, or even kicked in the face. Also, what about making captive prisoners engage in degrading sexual poses for photographs, as well as inserting weapons and sticks in a dead persons anus. These are just a few of the things that I could mention that does not represent a soldier very well. I would love to hear an explanation from you that could justify the appalling images that are scattered across the internet. Isolated incidents by the police may spark localized hatred for the police, but soldiers bad behavior has resulted in the majority of the world to hate all Americans. I would suspect that this could be worse for all of us. I am not anti-cop nor anti-military, but “hey pot, have you met the kettle?” Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones brainiac!!!

  • A Guy Named Burt

    To Radical Dude: It seems that you are overly consumed by this nonsense. I would like to know what the happy moments are in your life that makes it all worth it. Is is your wife? Your kids? Your ’67 Shelby Mustang GT500? Watching pornographic movies with a bottle of Jerkins on a random Saturday night? What? To have the time, ambition and energy (“I’ve done hundreds, maybe thousands of hours of research”) makes me feel sorry for you. I am only consumed by one thing in my life that requires this much time, making lasting memories with my family and friends. I do apologize because I did not read your entire post. The sound of the wind blowing past me as I tried to read it was so loud that I could not hear anything else, you wind bag. I am going to sue you for $17 for the 15 minutes of my life that you wasted that I will never get back. I could have shared these minutes with my family!!!

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Soldiers who do those things should be tried, sentenced to long prison terms or executed. There should be zero mercy for soldier misbehavior and criminal activity. Any decent officer agrees with me.

    I make no excuses for bad soldier behavior. Period.

  • t.

    But yet you are surrounded by them and do nothing about it.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    I am certainly not surrounded by anyone doing anything but their jobs, and well, I might add.

    Sorry you feel so butthurt over the hatred of cop. Actually, no, I don’t. I hope you feel every bit of the hatred the public has for your worthless pig ass.

  • courtofpublicopinion

    @ justin and we should just BELIEVE your story? with NO proof? how about a video of you doing an interview of the store security guard prove he was the one working, prove he has no connection to police dept prove you are not one of the fools who did this to her ok we are waiting,,

  • bullnose

    To those who think it is easy to record or even get a name or badge # during a police assault, you don’t know what you’re talking about AT ALL. I suffered a horrific beating by a cop and was only able to identify the man because he had refused to answer the radio or return the car the following day when a judge ordered the PD produce the officer on duty the night before. It was a city with only one cop on at night. There were eleven complaints filed as residents heard the officer verbally flying off the handle as he flung my unconscious body down 3 flights of stairs. That’s right, he knocked me out without cause and proceeded to try to kill me. The judge never did have him brought in but advised me the case would never expire under the statute of limitations since the charges were leveled. He also advised me to get out of state ASAP or I’d be killed. He said to wait five or six years until he was retired from the force then come back but stay out of the city as he had “friends” on the force. Well, the story doesn’t end there by any means but I can tell you corruption is wherever it can find an accomplice. In a PD is the worst place of all.

  • Radical Dude

    @A Guy Named Burt
    Haha, it seems you might be trying to make a point of some sort? …but to try to answer your question, the reason I did so much research on how to sue the police is because I had to sue them for assaulting me on the street. And I’m talking over like a five year period, that’s how long the litigation took, I was basically a newb to legal theory type of stuff, but in five years I basically, yes did probably about 1000 + hours of legal research, by now I’m practically an expert. So now that I know how it is done, I want to try to help other people, why would you have a problem with that? You want to have a society where arbitrary vicious gang assaults by authoritarian goon squads are just the normal status quo? Because I think I prefer a peaceful society, okay? Is that okay with you? I think suing the police is a highly effective method for opposing their senseless gang violence, and the institutionalized criminality of the police subculture.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    You cops certainly have a lot of free time to post in the middle of the afternoon. Lots of night shifters here, I suppose.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Sorry to hear that.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    The small number of cops I have dealt with in Texas have been uniformly amoral and worthless. In my last duty station in New Jersey they were merely lazy, which was much better..

    I would not cross the street to keep a cop from bleeding out.

  • A Guy Named Burt

    To Lakewood_in_Afghanistan: . . . And I would not piss on you if you fire. I would also like to bet that you have never seen a tour of combat. I suspect that you are just a recruiter (or something else in the military without value) that fabricates your importance and dreams of days of courage that others have lived. If you ever do see any kind of combat, feel free to sacrifice yourself to save the rest of your unit.

  • A Guy Named Burt

    To Radical Dude: Wah, wah, wah, sorry I could bear to read anymore of your nonsense. I wanted to spend the time with my children instead.

  • A Guy Named Burt

    Oh, I forgot, SUE ME ,,!,,’

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    The comments and opinions of a badgelicker mean so much…

  • A Guy Named Burt

    . . . about the same value as that of a military poser who’s most dangerous assignment was working the chow line in a secure military base in Texas and New Jersey. That must have been terrifying for you. Why don’t you go back to the children’s table, the adults are talking now.

  • t.

    Jean: So you really believe that more idiots with guns would have been better? Or hitting them with a car because they were trying to be a bully? And no, you didn’t read me right. They displayed a holstered weapon…pulling up close and pulling up there clothing and gesturing at their pistols. So your alternative has everyone armed and them someone overreacts to the idiot on the bike and shoots at them. That’s your answer? That’s part of the problem. Everyone thinks its cool to answer every question with a gun. That’s why, like I said, I would have loved to have been able to charge then and seize the guns and permits. I strongly believe in a responsibly armed public. But far to many irresponsible people now want to sport a gun all the time and then engage in stupid and dangerous behavior. It far more rare of CCW holders who a t out like this. The open carry crowd is different. They just want to intimidate from second one. I saw an idiot open carrying the other day with a pistol in a paddle holster…which was just half shoved into a pocket so that this pistol was flopping around just waiting to fall out. Due to the location were this took place I listened to his conversation which revolved around him asking a store clerk about guns and ammo be ause he didn’t know much about either. (He was right…he didnt know a darn thing)

    But your wanting all out war in the street be ause of irresponsible behavior, or rude behavior is unfortunately the big problem. Answering everything is t the answer, it’s the problem.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Burt,

    On the copblock badgelicker scale, you’re about 4/10. Try harder.

  • courtofpublicopinion

    @justin piss off you little bootlicking twerp! we should believe you, why because your friends are cops lmao that makes me MORE likely to believe her story me thinks you doth protest to much you have that same double standard as cops we should believe what you posted without proof but not what she wrote? that is priceless and just because the security is private does not mean crap we all know they are the has beens and wanna bes of the cop world most just couldnt cut it so every chance they get to play cop and be in on an arrest so to speak they jump on it i have no doubt the security guard probably DID call his buddies to report suspicious behavior too bad it was all in his head but it has made me start a boycott of 7-11 and keep on licking boots maybe they will let you in their gang one day when you grow up

  • Justin

    Deleting all my comments again Davy????? PUSSY!

  • Justin

    Rochester, NY Police Department Exposed
    17 hours ago via mobile
    So I’m at Chipotle on Mt. Hope Ave. with my son and we sit next to RPD officer Ciulla from West division.
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    Davy V. ‏@DavyVara
    Love Miami but heading back to the ROC… 585 See you soon! 14hrs

    YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT!! ALL FUCKIN LIES!
    Top is his post from his Facebook page, bottom one is from his twitter, how is Davy V in 2 cities at the same time??
    And not only posting, but also filing complaints against RPD officers responding to an armed person call, claiming the officers were taunting people with their weapons and laughing about it.
    I posted all this, and more earlier today, and Davy deleted it, now why would he do that??
    Hmmm maybe because he doesn’t like it when someone proves him wrong!
    I am not going anywhere Davy, I will post anything and everything I can find on you Davy.

  • Justin

    See people, Davy wont answer anyone that does not agree with him. He made a facebook page to get more attention, but what does he do? He blocks anyone who doesnt believe his bullshit. If he could block us here, I’m sure he would.
    I dont know why he is so worried about me, or anyone else that speaks out against him…All of you blind sheep would believe him no matter what he says.
    Like I said before, anyone that has had a negative experience with a cop either A. Deserved to be treated the way you were or B. Over exaggerated the whole experience.
    I have met a few who where genuine dicks, that was their whole personality, and no they shouldnt be cops, but thats not my call. I wont generalize ALL police because of the misdeeds of a few though, I know a lot of really nice regular people that happen to be police officers, and they take their job very seriously, do they goof off and joke with eachother? YES! Do they joke around with everyday people? YES! But every single day, they get out of bed, roll into that office, put on that uniform and go out on the streets and risk their lives to try to help people like US!

    I am all for people reporting an officer that breaks the law, or mistreats people, but some of the things Davy considers corruption is just people being people! He thinks cops dont deserve breaks, they shouldnt eat, take a piss, or god forbid stop somewhere and hang out for a little bit and keep good community relations alive. Please, what would any of you do if your boss told you ” No more 15 minute breaks, no half hour lunch, no using the bathroom, and absolutely NO TALKING TO YOUR FELLOW EMPLOYEES UNLESS ITS ABOUT WORK!” You wouldnt have it would you?? So why do you ask the same of people that risk their lives in their jobs??????

    I bet none of you will answer all my questions, you will focus on one thing and one thing only!

  • Justin

    Rochester, NY Police Department Exposed
    2 hours ago
    So, my assistants, who help me with the day to day traffic that goes through not only this, my ‘newest’ outlet, but also copblock.org, my blog, and other sites I regularly write for, have brought to my attention that an individual, who may be an RPD officer and who goes by the name ‘Justin’, at least that is the name I have been told that he uses, has been leaving, harassing, at times threatening messages and comments on several sites…

    This ‘Justin’ claims that he is affiliated with Blackhawk Security and Training Facilty, located at 3300 Monroe Avenue in Pittsford, New York which is believed to be owned by a Rochester, NY Police officer and which employs off duty RPD officers to work as security officers in locations such as the 7 Eleven on Emerson St.

    Interesting.

  • Justin

    LMAO! Davy Davy Davy…how stupid are you?
    1. I DO NOT work for RPD in any way shape or form.
    2. I am in no way affiliated with Blackhawk Security.
    3. Teach your illegals to READ ENGLISH!
    4. I have not made ANY THREATS at all.
    5. I ALSO am practicing my right to freedom of speech. You can voice your opinion, SO others should be able to voice theirs about you.
    You or your “assistants” have blocked both of my facebook pages…and deleted a lot of my posts from here. Why is that? Am I saying things you dont want your blind mindless followers to see? You dont want them to see the rest of the story when you leave important parts out?

    Show me my threats! I would love to see what you consider a threat.

  • Justin

    Oh and by the way, let me help you with your facts again….Blackhawk is owned by a RETIRED RPD officer. And he might employ off duty officers, but the officer in question at the Emerson 7-11 WAS NOT AN OFF DUTY RPD officer.

  • Common Sense

    Ha ha ha

    Justin just busted Davy V out.

    Justin – 1
    Davy V – 0

  • Sarah

    This Story Sounds Like A Whole Bunch Of Made Up Bull Sh*t Honestly .You telling me all these cops pulled up and you didn’t get one badge number . And said all this to you then LET YOU GO ! BOTH OF YOU ! Without a ticket or anything BULLSH*T !!

  • courtofpublicopinion

    justin you just show up out of the blue start cramming YOUR crap down our throats like it is gospel leads us to believe you have a personal stake in this somehow and are seeking to discredit her story with one of you own, bottom line at this point that is all EITHER side has just words strung together on a screen nothing you have written has proved beyond doubt that this did not happen just as you say there is no proof that what she said happened see what i mean?

  • Justin

    Yes I do see what you are saying, but the same goes for Davy. Who is he? He claims a journalist, yet he has no credentials. He uses terms like “white trash” like its ok, sorry folks, racism of any kind goes all ways.

    I did say a few times, believe what you will, I am just adding details that were left out, or totally incorrect. Making sure the whole story is there, not just what Davy wants you to see.
    As you see, they are deleting my comments, so logically there must be truth to what I say, they don’t deny what I say, they just delete it.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    How goes pipefitting today, common?

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    You wouldn’t happen to be Public Information Officer Sgt. Justin R. Collins, would you?

    Does the boss know this is what you do on department time?

  • Justin

    Read what I said, I do not work for RPD, I actually manage a store that police frequent on their breaks. Why do I have to be a cop to know what I am talking about??

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    I know what you said:
    “I DO NOT work for RPD in any way shape or form”

    Kinda like “I did not have sexual realations with that woman”

    Are you at the desk now? Maybe the site can confirm that your IP is not directly from RPD.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Or give him a call:

    585-428-7634

  • Justin

    Lol, go ahead, call him, but I can assure you, I am not him.

  • Justin

    Would it make you feel better if I didn’t use my real name?
    I’m sorry, I just didn’t feel to worried about using it since I had already posted all over Davy’s Facebook with my personal account, with my WHOLE name ( gasp )

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Throwaway facebook accounts are easy to use, Officer.

  • Justin

    Lmao!!! Sorry to disappoint dude, but again, I’m no cop. Never have been, and never will be since I just reached the cut off age. Not even military. I’m just a regular guy with a minor record that manages a gas station on Monroe ave. if you don’t believe me, then fuck, what do I care?? Lol

  • Jean

    @t: March 14, 2013 at 1:53 am

    More idiots with guns MIGHT be better at keepign people in line. You think that these bikers would’ve been flashing their weapons to a cop? I kinda doubt it.

    However, I was wrong in my understanding, that they were pointing the guns – just showing the holstered weapon shouldn’t be too big a deal. In a diarmed society, however, it’s little kids palying Gangsta, if you will – I have a gun, I have power, you DON’T. (Like a lot of cops I’ve dealt with – their threat is implicit when they are professional, but ALWAYS EXPLICIT BECAUSE IT’S ON THEIR HIP. The weapon is a means to command power over others. That’s all.

    I’ll get OT here, but – it sounds to me like you don’t really believe anyone is capable of “responsible use” of a firearm. Except, of course – YOU. Those with a badge. You are somehow “special.” And if you discharge your weapon “in the line of duty,” it’s JUSTIFIED. But if a civilian HAS a gun, that’s irresponsible. (Yes, I’m stretching your words a little. Feel free to define responsible use of a gun by a civilian; we’ll wait. I’m wondering if it’s anything other than “locked in the gun safe, with ammo locked in a different safe, never leaves the house, sees light only for cleaning.” Which beggars the imagination, but underscores the low opinion police have for anyone not in the “He-Man Law Enforcement Club.” Everyone else is a “girl,” and they automatically have cooties. :-P )

    My stance is, if someone threatens you – you have the RIGHT to kill them. They have already aggressed. They have stated an intent to harm or kill you. A drawn knife and a demand for your wallet? Check. Bang. Panhandling on the street? Even if they follow you begging? Just keep walking (though do check your six for other movement / people, and do a situation check – maybe they are a distraction with someone more violent waiting. But no one should know you’re armed at that point.) Someone is running towards you? Well, situation (totality of circumstances, do you term it?) comes into play – but on the green, during daylight? Likely not a threat. Running AT you, even on the green during daylight? Be on the ready. If they tackle you, unload. (Make sure each one is a hit, don’t want stray shots killing others.)
    Personally, faced with a knife, I’d take it away and stab them with it. Until I lost count. No such thing as “unreasonable force” for a civilian who is attacked. If I’m a candy-striper in Oshin-ryu, who cares? I was attacked, I defended myself, I stopped stabbing after they stopped wiggling. I ended the threat, for me, and others. Got PLENTY of stories of cops doing the same (sort of) thing – from a distance of 10, 20, 30 feet. Sometimes the victim is even armed. This is why we see a pattern emerging. This is why we are angry. This is why I don’t stop at stabbing my attacker ONCE… I stop when he (or she) is DEAD. And hope there’s no video, and bleach my shoes, and burn the clothes. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six – better not to get caught – best to make sure you’re never in the situation. Once you are, though – once violence comes looking for you – FINISH IT. Odds are that instigator of violence has done it before, and will continue to do so. But there’s no reason to embolden the criminal by giving in, and in the state we’re in now? The criminal might decide killing you is a good thing, as then there’s no witness. (And how many places actually REVIEW security tapes? Unless the cops find you fairly fast, and get the video right away – what are the odds it doesn’t get taped over or thrown out?)

    For our bikers, if they KNEW people were armed: Would they still run around grabbing their guns, per se? What would be their reaction, do you think, to someone pulling a gun on them? If they’re really just id-10t’s, they might swerve off the road, wreck… If they’re really hoodlums, they might shoot (back, even) in self-defense.

    But because they are the only armed people around, of COURSE no one wants to get involved: they might have ties to the Pagans, or Hell’s Angels, or some other “outlaw” group, or fringe group, who would have no compunction killing the witnesses. As is said, cops can’t be everywhere.
    Are the rest of us supposed to live in fear?

    Better yet, since there ARE so many stories of corruption: Are we to live in fear of the gangs AND the cops? You become just one more gang that we need protection from! Who watches the watchers? Bueller? Bueller…?

    OTOH, I love the story of the novice CCW. Object lesson in what NOT to do – thanks for the lesson. I’m smart enough to learn from other’s mistakes. ;-)

    (Don’t have a gun, let alone a CCW permit. Never felt the need, even living in D.C. Not so sure now.)

    Anyway – if EVERYONE can shoot back, it seems there is less of a reason to shoot in the first place. In those places where most everyone is disarmed, there seems to be more need for a gun. Makes one wonder. Again, police can’t be everywhere. Why are we average mortals prevented from protecting ourselves? I can’t even carry a decent knife, because I MIGHT, POSSIBLY, wish someone ill, sometime. With my size and stature? My knowledge and skills? I know plenty about hurting others, and most people leave when I come near. I’ve been “accused” of being a cop or ex-military; I guess the predator side is strong. (I will concede, it’s not weak.) That means, though, that I’m not willing to be prey. How about the 17-year old, 100# daughter? How about the 90-year old grandmother who had polio? Are THEY supposed to be able to handle their attackers as easily as I can? Defend themselves with a kitchen knife, if they’re home – and a whistle if they’re outside?

    To suggest such a thing would be ridiculous, I think even you know that. And even if they comply with the attacker’s demands (IE, only being mugged/robbed), they might get killed anyway. No witnesses… no accuser, no case. Hell, I’ve read stories of men assaulting their judo sensei… She won, but only through a LOT more knowledge, as she was outclassed in size and strength – she just got his back, and worked him until he gave out. She couldn’t even get a choke. Would a gun have helped? Unlikely, this occurred at the dojo – would get in the way of practice, be a hazard. accidental discharge while working on a triangle? Might get a bit messy. But it could even the odds outside the dojo – not everyone is stupid enough to attack a trained martial artist. 20 years of experience, though, and it wore her hout as well as him – she just jockeyed him long enough, and survived long enough, his midsection gave out. (For a conceptual matchup, look up the film Haywire, where a female spy fights a male spy – and he tosses her around like a rag doll for the msot part. And the actress is a professional MMA girl. Strong, pretty, and yeah, it’s a film – but she’s not some superhero bad grrl kicking ass, a la Black Widow in Avengers or Iron Man 2. She gets the SHIT beaten out of her along the way. And if you’re the professional you claim to be, you KNOW it will often go that way, movies be damned – men have more upper-body strength, better endurance generally, and longer reach. (Strength was a determining factor in US Army women in combat decisions, so that’s documented. Anecdotally, the endurance and fatigue factors are also recounted.)

    The question WRT women stands, though: should they ALL have to be teaching black belts to have a CHANCE against a man? Should they be subject to the criminal element? (BTW, Democraps think so. Rethuglicans, too, I believe, but they don’t openly say it.)

    Should the witnesses you commented on have to live in fear from the time they report the incident, until the aggressor’s gang is dead? Is that REALLY a sensible thing to do? Would it not make more sense to allow law-abiding people the right to own weapons (EFFECTIVE AND USEFUIL, BTW) if they choose? IE, keep the background checks. Maybe even add a little, like firing a bullet and putting that bullet into a criminal database (matched to serial # of the barrel – currently barrels don’t have a serial #). Owner information available via court order, but sealed otherwise. Bullets from crimescene match Gun 11111 – who owns it? Was it reported stolen? Ok, let’s go talk to him/her. Needs to be an exact match, though, so at least it would only be dishonest CSIs, not out-and-out cops with a vendetta (per se). Pops a flag if someone buys more than X guns in a time period – say, 3 guns per month – and they must be able to produce them on being served a warrant. Warrant to search, to see that weapons are all present (in home, with person, or at gun club, in some combination). Warrants not to be executed “too frequently” (need to define that explicitly – say, twice per year? I don’t know. But if someone has bought 12 guns in a year, there MIGHT be something odd happening. Especially in a city environment. If they live halfway between Reno and Vegas on a dirt road, check once or twice, and ignore it – might be an “illegal gun club,” but if we’re defining things that way in the middle of nowhere? Surely there’s something MORE IMPORTANT to do with that time. Hell, if they want to get drunk and shoot shit in the backyard, who cares? There’s a hundred miles to the nearest person most of the time, and that’s the point… Being ALONE. If they’re shooting AT someone, the situation is of course immediately different. Unless it’s the cops, trespassing, because they FEEL like it. I presume these people are overall rational, of course. That might be hard to establish, given the idiocy of modern society… But even if they’re shooting – or detonating – things in the middle of nowhere, they endanger only themselves – LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE unless necessary. full auto? Have at it. .50? Sure! (Have a backstop. a BIG backstop. Tall and wide, both.)
    but if you shoot someone or blow somethign (not yours) up, it’s on you, and you do become a criminal. (Hence, above, DON’T GET CAUGHT. These days, you get punished worse for accidents than a career criminal it seems.)

    There’s a REAL line between right and wrong. The law codifies things that are wrong so they are legal all too often; it should be the other way around, that which is immoral, is wrong, and illegal. Murder, rape, robbery. The State calls these things “Good shoots/ Executions” or “Full Body Cavity Search” or “Taxes.” (Per the last one, bear in mind that the Revolution was over less taxes than we pay now. And there was less mobility, lower pay, and fewer chances for jobs and social mobility. So it’s becoming a BIG DEAL how much O’Nigger steals, and then the State, and sometimes the Locality steals MORE – and that’s BEFORE we talk about excise taxes, property taxes, FCC fees, sales tax, hidden taxes as on gas, Service fees (restaurant tax – in addition to a sales tax, some places have a fee on any prepared food. I can avoid that by buying raw food and cooking at home; the homeless cannot. Go figure… You want to talk social justice, we can start there, too.)

    And it goes to pay for APCs in places like Keane, NH. (Been there. Nashua, NH, too. And Malden, MA. Winthrop, MA. Most of NJ, too. Most of those places have NO need for APCs, or even the HMMVs they have. Newark, NJ; Trenton, NJ; Washington, DC – MAYBE… Doubt anyone has RPGs lying around, but I fear that’s going to change… Because if it comes to a need for armed force, and we’ll be judged criminals should we respond with force (as in London, UK, for example – and coming soon to NYC – oh, wait, bloomberg’s done that trick already.) Well, in for a penny, in for a pound. “His name’s Voldemort. You might as well use it, he’s going to kill you either way.” Switch in “Sergeant”, or “Obama,” or “Eric Holder,” or “Lon Horiuchi.”

    And if only the Sergeant, POTUS, DAs, DEA Snipers have guns – Well, not too different from now, is it? Unless you count bikers showing off their CCW weapons… I guess we should all feel safer with these idiots running around, because police aren’t the “only” ones with guns?
    I mean, it’s like saying Microsoft isn’t a monopoly, because you can use Linux or Unix (which almost nothing in the commercial market runs on… No games, for instance, and aside from Mac OS – Unix core – which doesn’t run on most (all?) x86/64 chips – well, there’s LOTS of choices of operating systems to just “run” the computer. Hey, we can choose to be murdered by local cops, sheriffs, DEA, FBI, ATF, DHS, IRS, Army drones (eventually), maybe even the Army directly (Say, during a Katrina? For having guns?), Blackwater, CIA (whom I’ve read are now legally allowed to operate on US soil… Have been for like a decade.)

    But if you want to DO something, you need to BE a cop. Whichever agency. (F*cking Dept of EDUCATION has cops these days… WTF?)

    There is NO REASON for this. People don’t devolve into shooting each other to figure out who has the bigger dick. It’s NOT High Noon, it NEVER WAS. We have more murders in Chicage last year than in all the recorded Wild West shootouts, ever. (Pretty pathetic, IIRC – Chicago had ~500 deaths. Guess the Wild West was played up a little bit, huh? Or did they just not count Mexicans and Indians? Or did the palyers play it up, to make themselves seem dangerous? Hmmm….)

    Hell, you want “dangerous,” give me a knife and a target and some prep time. PLENTY of ways to make things work. Scare them into traps, find them alone and use the weapon, poison them… Nothing’s impossible, just MORE or LESS difficult. For example, can’t protect the President from a suicide drone (like we use in Afghanistan). Brick of C-4, detonator, R/C airplane, Voila! And the plane plans are like $20 for cheap ones, but you but ready-made helicopters and airplanes and get expensive… then you just fly the plane, and wait for your chance. From above? Probably wouldn’t hurt the limo. UNDERNEATH, whole differnt story…. (I don’t know the armor, of course, it might be immune. That just means you need a new plan. We will NOT return to the “King (pharoah) is God” routine, no matter how many enforcers he has.

    Dammit, I’m rambling. Guess I need more water – when it was -2 outside, we had NO heat. Now we can’t turn the heat off (it’s all of 38 or so, but we’re melting. Bah.)
    Why can you not see beyond the “State Good, Proles Bad” paradigm? Is there EVER a time a citizen should be allowed to carry a weapon? How are they “responsible” in using said weapon? How can you argue that those with weapons would misbehave when ANYONE could shoot them? (It DID happen, supposedly, in the past – occasionally. Makes for good stories. But what percentage of murders would that account for? And what of the times a weapon is “used” (Start with fired) in self-defense? Why is that never reported? Let alone, brandished; let alone, criminals know people might be armed, so they LEAVE THE AREA. As in Arizona and Florida, for example.)

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  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    I see you came back to corpse-fuck the thread, officer.

  • Justin

    Corpse fuck?? Lmao! Isn’t that what you do to the innocent civilians over in Afghanistan?
    Fuck off bitch, told ya before, I ain’t a cop.
    You just like to think everyone that doesn’t agree with David is.
    Pussy ass follower. Be a man, think for yourself.

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    Whatever you say, officer.

    Or convenience store manager.

    Either would have me putting a pistol in my mouth.

  • Justin

    Do it anyways, I am 100% certain that would better ( and faster ) then what you normally have in ur mouth. Then you could stop trying to be the first guy to OD on sperm!

  • Lakewood_in_Afghanistan

    No need. I’m neither a cop, nor a clock punching slurpee seller. I think life is great.

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  • Nick

    This is why EVERYTHING cops do should be on video. They can basically lie and cheat and do/say whatever they want and just get away with it. Why would the judge or another cop or cops believe you over their pig counterparts???? Exactly, they wouldnt. Ive been victimized too and have had my rights violated. They have to follow the rules too….. Unfortunately they do NOT!

  • Jim

    knowing the mutt that is governor and the bigger tool who is mayor of New York I’m less than surprised by what is allowed on the police force out there.

  • Danie

    i know it has been a year since this incedent i would like to know what happend. I do agree that these cops should be jailed in my oppiane the should ge the death sentance. i,am not from usa but cops no matter what contry should protect and serve before any thing else. Not treat people like shit before they have solid proof. like they do in my country

  • Bran

    Cops like these are the reason why when officers get killed in the line of duty, no one gives a fuck anymore. “Aww, poor little crying cop. Are you bleeding out from a gunshot wound?” I don’t care.

  • Justice

    This can not be the end….. where is the follow through…. civil rights organizations should be all over this……. This is like a CSI episode where cops use there power in a way defined only by them and not by the law and are investigated….. Is an investigation happening now after this story has been posted?