Men are Jailed, Robbed of $14,000 By Police Without Justification

Published On April 14, 2013 | By CopBlock | Articles

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According to Courthouse News Service, a Texas sheriff in Waco, Texas threw two Latino men into jail for 39 days “with no charges, no hearing, and no probable cause” and seized the $14,000 they had saved up to buy a new car. Roberto Moreno-Gutierrez and Jaime Moreno-Gutierrez have filed a claim in Federal Court against Hill County, the Hill County Sheriff’s Department and the Texas Department of Public Safety.

The complaints alleges that plaintiffs Roberto Moreno-Gutierrez and Jaime Moreno-Gutierrez were traveling to a car dealership in Plano, Texas to purchase an automobile. Jaime Moreno-Gutierrez, had sold a vehicle for $9,000 and had taken a loan of $4,000 in order to buy the new vehicle. Texas State Trooper Carl R. Clary pulled the men over, driving a K-9 unit.

The complaint further details that no drugs or drug paraphernalia were found in the vehicle or on the plaintiffs. There was simply no indication of wrongdoing. Trooper Clary seized the money and waited for backup. After 20 minutes, the plaintiffs were taken to another squad car and were told they were going to be interviewed where it was quiet. The arriving officers tore apart the vehicle looking for money or drugs that did not exist.

“At the Hill County Sheriff Department, the plaintiffs were never handcuffed, never Mirandized and never told they were under arrest; rather, they were asked where they were from. The money was counted, and they were then booked into Hill County Jail for what jail documents call pending charges pursuant to ‘money laundering.'”

Stories such as these are by no means uncommon, and simply illustrate the consequences of allowing police such sweeping powers over peoples’ person and property.

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  • THUGS IN BLUE

    I hope these men though innocent, have connections where they will get revenge on the rogue cop that started all of this. I hope to hear this in the news.

  • certain

    Kidnapping and robbery. These guys are really getting into the swing of doing whatever the fuck they want.

    Freaking scumbags.

  • Common Sense

    But what’s left out the article, is it appears they were ‘undocumented workers’ aka illegals. In Texas, without a visa or passport, with a large sum of US currency.

    It further appears that there were no state (local) charges – but it was an apparent ICE detainer for either/both an immigation violation or the the suspicion of money laundering. Perhaps the importation of more than $10,000.

  • Matt

    More Government THEFT!

    Now having large sums of cash is a crime all by itself even when “authorities” can come up with no other charges.

  • t.

    Where’s the receipt for the sold car? Loan paperwork? If none….enjoy prison.

  • steve

    FIRST WERE THEY ILLEGALS. YOU NEED TO CHECK ON WHY ICE HAD THE HOLD ON THEM. WERE THEY JUST “LATINOS” OR MEXICAN NATIONALS THAT ARE HERE ROBBING AMERICANS OF JOBS. DONT FALL FOR THE POOR LATINO SHIT. THEY MAY HAVE HAD MONEY BELONGING TO A CARTEL.IF THERE IS AN ICE HOLD AND FOR THE BOTH OF THEM THERE WAS A PROBLEM. DONT MISTAKE ME AS A PIG LOVER I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE ROBBING OF CASH MONEY FROM “CITIZENS OF UNITED STATES”. DO YOU KNOW THESE “LATINOS” PERSONALLY.WE AS CITIZENS HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGALS GETTING SUPPORT FROM OUR TAX DOLLARS AND MOST LIKELY IF YOU CHECK THESE GUYS ARE ILLEGAL. YOU NEED TO LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT HAPPENS TO AMERICAN CITIZENS TRAVELING OUR ROADS AND HIGHWAYS THAT ARE BEING ROBBED WITHOUT CAUSE. OUR TRUCK DRIVERS ,OUR VACATIONERS.THE COP THAT STOPPED THEM PROBABLY HAD NO CAUSE AND JUST GOT LUCKY AND I DO NOT SUPPORT THAT AT ALL. FUCK ILLEGALS.

  • certain

    Prison????? For what????

    Freaking mall cop moron.

  • spirit of 46

    It’s a conspiracy man. The government doesn’t want us using cash-they want us using credit cards so we all go into debt and have to beg them to bail us out.

  • Shawn

    @T

    “Where’s the receipt for the sold car? Loan paperwork? If none….enjoy prison.”

    Nice assumption of a stolen car. Now if there was a car sale, there should be a bill of sale. As for the loan, what never got a personal lone? I can guarantee you a bank doesn’t loan you 4k and hand it to you in cash for a car.

    A lot of people buy and sell cars cash only, even large amounts. Why? Because it is the only sure way to get paid. You can not be so ignorant as to not know that, or that the cost of used cars has climbed the last few years.

    Yes, these guys are suspicious. But suspicion alone is not justification for seizing money or property. Especially when cops find everything suspicious. I swear the BBQ I just finished would be suspicious to cops. I could be burning evidence or something.
    Something happens to cops that they loose the ability to recognize that most people are still good people. And that there are still innocent explanations to things that can also be seen from criminals.
    As has been recently brought up, a family got their home raided because they bought gardening supplies in a store. That was all the cops needed to know. The actual ‘crime’? They were growing tomatoes. Everyday activities are now generating enough suspicion that cops immediately go and swat them.
    I’m all for stopping drugs, but you guys are getting crazed nutso seeing drug dealers everywhere. These tactics are fine to you, because it isn’t you paying the price. It isn’t your car destroyed, it isn’t your life intereupted. It isn’t your home ransacked. It isn’t your children terrorized over tomatoes.
    Time and again, stories of cops doing this crap, and you can’t see the problem?

    Suspicion isn’t proof. And it isn’t evidence. If it were, every cop would be in jail.

  • Shawn

    @steve

    “THEY MAY HAVE HAD MONEY BELONGING TO A CARTEL.”

    That’s the kicker. MAY HAVE. MAY HAVE is not proof. It is a possibility. Texas recently got in trouble for extorting people to surrender money by threatening them with jail, and threatening their kids with DCF.
    Now if the cop actually believe there was a danger to the kids, surrendering the money should have made no difference. They didn’t care about the kids. They wanted the money. The locals were making a fortune off of terrifying out of state travelers. That is why they do it, not to stop drugs. They are even known to let the drugs through and focus on getting the money. And often there is little or no proof of drugs. Just a cop’s suspicion.

    If anyone else had done this, it would be called extortion. There are a lot of innocent reasons for carrying money.

    And the fact that they are illegal, if that is even true, doesn’t change the legality of carrying money. Nor does the other crimes going on have any bearing on their right to due process.

    If they are illegal, deport them. But that is the end of that part. It doesn’t change that cops should not be seizing money without some proof a crime was involved.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    What the resident trolls fail to grasp is the cop that will seize a vehicle, cash, and occupants without probable cause, even to illegal immigrants, will do the same thing to an American citizen.

    As I have said for years, the illegal immigrants “problem” is a manufactured issue that is used as an excuse to clamp down on law-abiding people.

    POLICE OFFICER RAPES A THREE MONTH OLD INFANT AND A ONE YEAR OLD CHILD!

    When you see common sense, t., underoath, psosgt and all the other shills spew their boot-licking propaganda here on Cop Block, remember, THIS IS WHO THEY ARE, THIS IS WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DEFEND!

    Wichita KS police officer Officer Joseph T. McGill, 28, was convicted today of committing a sexual act on a 3-month-old child and a 1-year-old child. Officer McGill pleaded guilty in January 2012 in an unrelated case to sexual battery while on duty as a police officer and was sentenced to three years probation. Those charges stemmed from separate incidents in November 2010 and February 2011. The judge set sentencing for March 1.

    http://www.kansas.com/2013/01/24/2649372/former-police-officer-convicted.html

  • t.

    Shawn: No tardo. Says he sold a car…should be / has to be a receipt for said sale. Read andsmarten up. You cant register a car without proof of ownership. Sold for cash or not…you still have to transfer ownership. Same for the loan. Should be paperwork for that too.

    “Suspicion isn’t proof. And it isn’t evidence”. They haven’t been convicted DA (as in Dumb Ass). They seized the money and charged the guys. Their fault they couldn’t make bond, notthe officers. They bring the proof of the sale “for cash” (that part of your rant made me laugh) and the loan and they can get their cash back. Once again, you confuse RS (all that is needed for a stop), PC (all that is needed for the aarrest), and BRD (which is needed for conviction). 1-1.5, 2-2.5, 8. Basically that scale applies.

    Oh, and you need to check your banking laws.

    Glenn=liar: See the above retard. RS to stop. Not PC. What an idiot you are.

  • Steve H

    you have to be pretty stupid to carry cash in your car. We would like to believe that we have some privacy while traveling in our vehicles, but we have none, so there’s that. with the way leos are now, even if you have 3 or 4 K with you for the hold em game on thursday night, they are going to take it. They should have gotten some money orders and put the rest on some cash cards.

  • Shawn

    @T

    “They seized the money and charged the guys”
    Read it again, tardo. They weren’t charged with anything.

    “Suspicion isn’t proof. And it isn’t evidence”. They haven’t been convicted DA (as in Dumb Ass)”

    So what? What was the evidence of a crime? Just having money. There was nothing else. Is that beyond your grasp? Are you so in love with power that you can’t recognize that money alone is not evidence?

    They have been harmed by having their property seized, the use of it blocked. This is not nothing.

    “Shawn: No tardo. Says he sold a car…should be / has to be a receipt for said sale. Read andsmarten up.”

    Learn to read yourself. I mentioned the bill of sale.

    “You cant register a car without proof of ownership. Sold for cash or not…you still have to transfer ownership. Same for the loan. Should be paperwork for that too. ”

    Um, no. When you sell a car, you sign the title and hand it over, then receive a bill of sale. The BOS isn’t even necessary. Only the title is legally necessary. They take it to the DMV to claim ownership of it, using a bill of sale and the title. I’ve bought and sold several used cars. You don’t know what you are talking about.
    And a personal loan is not going to have any paperwork dumbass. If your dad or son loaned you a couple thousand, would there be paperwork? Are you that paranoid?

    At what point did RS allow you to seize property or arrest people? RS is exactly that. Suspicion. Reasonable, but still only suspicion. No proof. You are just in love with police power. You think RS lets you do anything.
    Since you are so cavalier about this stuff, how about we freeze all your assets and let you figure out how to go about your life for a few months waiting on a jackass cop and DA to decide what to do.

    When you spout your crap, you show that your only goal is the power of police, not stopping drugs or criminals. You have zero sense of restraint, and zero sense that other people are real.

  • Ernie Menard

    t.
    The cops confiscated their money without any reasonable suspicion that the money was for, or the fruits of, any criminal endeavor, so they couldn’t make bond. And this is not the fault of the cops?

    Of course it is. Citizens do not have to justify any amount of cash they happen to be carrying to any cop.

  • Shawn

    @T

    I’ll grant that these two are suspicious. But that is it. And that is not enough for this kind of horseshit.

  • Shawn

    @Ernie

    Oh, the cops had plenty of RS. I would love to see the bill of sale, but you don’t actually need one to sell a car. It’s just stupid not to get one.

    It’s just how much can and should cops be able to do with only suspicion? T’s answer is anything they feel like. I bet he ignored the whole issue of Texas using extortion during traffic stops to get people to forfeit their money.
    They know even innocent people will be scared to death at threat by the government against their children, and will surrender anything to prevent that.
    And even T doesn’t care if the person is actually guilty. He just wants to see the police get the money.

  • Matt

    The Nazi PIGS that troll this site make me physically ill. You JBTs were born 70+ years to late, you would have made it to the top of Hitlers brown noser list.

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  • cookie

    Were they legal? The story about buying a new car with all that money sounds like a whole lot of bullshit, nevertheless, they don’t have to prove to anyone where they got the money, and it’s illegal to hold them without charges. Unless they were being detained for deportation. Then it’s legal.

  • t.

    Shawn: Dont look now but your stupid is showing. Read the last sentence of the second to last paragraph.

    RS to stop.
    PC to arrest.
    BRD to convict.

    I have to keep saying it as you goofballs don’t get it.

    The PC to arrest was the simple presence of the money. Again, check your banking laws.

    And keep in mind…this is an anonymously submitted article by someone named “Joe”. Its posted on a site named “Cop Block”. It has few if any verifiable “facts”. But even from the few things that “Joe” included in his story it looks like the police acted completely properly.

    Cookie: All they have to do is show up with the paperwork of where the money came from. My guess is that they will never come back.

  • t.

    i just looked it up and you guys are actually right. having money is not probable cause. I suppose citizens should be considered innocent until PROVEN guilty.

  • anon

    Hi T.

    “”My guess is that they will never come back.””

    Just a friendly reminder, you know what they say about people who make assumptions? It makes you look like an ass. Just pointing out the obvious. Have a nice day.

  • t.

    Imposter guy: Quit being an ass. If you have nothing to offer, leave it at that. I’m sorry if I know what I’m talking about and that burns you up. But move on.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    Did anyone hear about this story? Minnesota Waitress Sues After Police Seize $12,000 ‘Tip’. The cops stole a tip left to a waitress by a rich customer. It hardly takes much of an incentive for cops to steal cash these days.

    POLICE OFFICER RAPES A THREE MONTH OLD INFANT AND A ONE YEAR OLD CHILD!

    When you see common sense, t., underoath, psosgt and all the other shills spew their boot-licking propaganda here on Cop Block, remember, THIS IS WHO THEY ARE, THIS IS WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DEFEND!

    Wichita KS police officer Officer Joseph T. McGill, 28, was convicted today of committing a sexual act on a 3-month-old child and a 1-year-old child. Officer McGill pleaded guilty in January 2012 in an unrelated case to sexual battery while on duty as a police officer and was sentenced to three years probation. Those charges stemmed from separate incidents in November 2010 and February 2011. The judge set sentencing for March 1.

    http://www.kansas.com/2013/01/24/2649372/former-police-officer-convicted.html

  • Jean

    IANAL, BUT: Bill of sale: Hard to produce an acceptable bill of sale for private transactions. Harder if you’re detained. All the way to impossible.
    Loan: I missed it originally, re-read and noted: they had a $4K loan. If private loan, there’s no paperwork. And it can be hard to produce a bill of sale when you’re detained…

    Also, if the cash comes from illegal activities – such as working under the table – it’s illegal. It’s considered “ill-gotten gains,” no real difference from being cash obtained through theft, or as the feds call it, Taxes.
    If they are in fact illegally here, the cash is suspect. Where that falls, I don’t know. After all, they might be legally here as tourists – my father used to carry large amounts of cash on vacation, JUST in case. $2-$5K. Things happen. Have a backup plan. The article states nothign about their legality here…

    @t: You suggested money order. NOT always accepted, believe it or not. Also, not always a good method of transport, and won’t make a difference: IOf you can turn in $12K to the USPS or a bank, and buy a MO/bank check – you have the Equivalent of cash. What’s to stop the suspicion? What, a money order is not suspect but the cash equivalent is? Who do you think you’re fooling? What, if I carried a lump of gold, would that be MORE or LESS suspicious? Or, silver coins? Jewelry? Precious stones? ANY store of value (IE, Money) is suspect under that type of mindset. You’re LOOKING at us as CRIMINALS, guilty until proven not guilty – not even proven innocent, for that matter.

    Now, suppose Uncle Pedro is a Narco. He gives (not even loans) the full $14K. The money is obtained, by HIM, through illegal means. Doesn’t mean they know he’s a narco, nor does THAT make THEIR use of the money illegal (money laundering requires knowledge, that pesky Mens Rea concept.)

    You have justified suspicion, and if they’re here illegally, there’s proof to deport them. I believe (but don’t know as fact) the money would be forfeit if they are here illegally – it’s seen as tainted – but that’s not part of asset forfeiture, I think, it’s part of criminal law. (Don’t know, not looking it up. I need to do some work, the scripts that worked fine on Friday blew up and I need to do actual work.)

    OTOH, the whole thing could be tossed under concepts of search and seizure, it could be that the money is seen as “fruit of the poisonous tree.” Not enough information to know that. No supporting articles. What was the original reason to pull them over? Speeding? Failing to come to a complete stop at a stop sign (defined, BTW, in NJ at least as stopping for 8 seconds, stopping means the vehicle is at zero movement. WTF? Jersey Stop, anyone? Seen it in AZ, MA, PA, CT as well – slow down to 0.? mph, no one is around, keep going. But evne when you come to a full cessation of forward motion, NO ONE stays there for 8 seconds… )

  • Jean

    @t:
    IF – I concede If – they come back with some “paperwork” for the money, who determines if it’s adequate paperwork? A sales receipt for the old car, and someone’s certified (Notarized?) letter for a private loan? Who’s to say it won’t just be tossed out as “inadmissable” anyway? “Oh, you’re uncle charlie might’ve written that and had your aunt notarize it. Tough break!”
    It’s a difficult thing, perhaps, but I still operate under the believe that inanimate objects – cars, guns, sheets of rag paper with waterproof ink – don’t get up and DO SOMETHING by themselves. I think that’s at the root of the complaints against Asset Forfeiture and Gun Control. It’s like saying, the gun comitted a crime. The car comitted the crime. The cash comitted a crime. We can’t charge the PERSON, we’ll charge the object. ??? I don’t think that’s right. It a chiuahua bites you, do you assume that chihuahua is bad, or that all dogs are bad? (I know, you assume all dogs are evil and intent on killing you … Because they’re DOGS and are territorial, and when you aggress, they have the sheer audacity to question your god-complex… So let’s not even bother. And yes, I’ve been bitten, and yes, it sucks, and the solution may be to put down that dog – but if you agress towards the dog, YOU are at fault, dammit. When you come up to my window and demand my papers, you are showing naked aggression, backed up by deadly force. Are you any different from a rabid dog, or a dog defending its territory? Not really. But by your very logic of killing any dog that aggresses, shouldn’t we have at least one cop killed every day? Doesn’t at least ONE cop a day have a bad attitude and pull over someone who MIGHT take exception to being harassed – even if they did do something illegal? You think?)

    We need more info on this case, but the questions stand. What is the means for the determination of legal limits on cash? Reading this, I’d hide my cash, too. Put it in the spare tire, or under the seat, or inside a cushion. If the cash itself gives you a reason to stop me – I’d like to have some means of defense, as well. You’ve been reduced to uniformed highwaymen – thieves – operating under a “cloak” of lawfulness.

    Just something to think about: you may be acting under a perverted sense of honor or duty, with “the law” having replaced Justice. Would you cut off a man’s hand for stealing? If not, why not? It’s the LAW – in Iraq, until recently, still in Saudi Arabia, IIRC, still in Afghanistan. Etc. If not – why not? Because it’s not the law here?
    But then, if you’re told Mr. X is a “dangerous extremist,” has an AR-15 and 10,000 rounds of ammo – would you ensure full SWAT raid on his home, because he MIGHT do something illegal with that “arsenal”? (IIRC, It’s legal in MA – 10,000 rounds is nothing, and you can get permits for far more. 10,000 for rifles, I think. permits for like 30,000 – home storage. Forget pistols. But it would be termed an arsenal when you’re told. And this “dangerous extremist” may have food for a month, and may have comitted the sin of attending mass and quoting scripture. So he’s a “bitter clinger.” But we’re getting to the point where, as Ann Raynd put it in Atlas Shrugged, we don’t WANT people to follow the rules – we want people to BREAK the rules, so we can constrain them and steal from them. Bear in mind, that can be REVERSED and used against you. We force you to break rules, publicize it – at a certain critical mass, people start shooting cops for fun. Not much fun then, is it? Even worse fi they target families. And the truly sick ones might leave them alive. Sort of. And if you argue against it, well, you’re just a “government stooge” or a “reactionary” or [fill in whatever term - even an anrachist or pinko-commie-fascist, etc.])

    This sort of thing MUST be clarified. We’re looking at some AWESOME misuse of power, and it’s getting worse.

  • t.

    Jean: Have beer guy. Holy smokes.

    You based all of that rant on 5 short paragraphs by some anonymous cat named “Joe”. Read what’s there. They were charged with money laundering. There’s more to the story

    BTW, for Federal Assets Forfeiture…..there must be some Federal agency involved. On of the alphabet soups have to adopt the case.

    Now I must not roll like you. $14,000 to me is a lot of money. IF they got $10000 from the sale of a car…it would seem like a pretty easy and worthwhile thing to do to get a copy of the title that they transferred on it. And who do you know that gives out $4000 personal loans with no paperwork? If they are that good of friend…with that much money to spare….why wouldn’t that person a) help them make bond and b) show up to court and testify about loaning the money? Its really not so hard.

    Don’t just buy what “Joe” is selling you. Again, my bet is that they won’t show back up. They might, but that exposes them to prosecution. They will probably never be seen again.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    What a fascinating conversation. No forum sliding efforts at all.

    POLICE OFFICER RAPES A THREE MONTH OLD INFANT AND A ONE YEAR OLD CHILD!

    When you see common sense, t., underoath, psosgt and all the other shills spew their boot-licking propaganda here on Cop Block, remember, THIS IS WHO THEY ARE, THIS IS WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DEFEND!

    Wichita KS police officer Officer Joseph T. McGill, 28, was convicted today of committing a sexual act on a 3-month-old child and a 1-year-old child. Officer McGill pleaded guilty in January 2012 in an unrelated case to sexual battery while on duty as a police officer and was sentenced to three years probation. Those charges stemmed from separate incidents in November 2010 and February 2011. The judge set sentencing for March 1.

    http://www.kansas.com/2013/01/24/2649372/former-police-officer-convicted.html

  • Jean

    @t:
    I agree there’s very little info to go on.
    We had $9000 in our pocket last Tuesday. Someone bought our van. Paid in cash. I have my guesses they were Mexican, but couldn’t prove it either way. Selling to them wasn’t a crime. But we could be laundering money, right? So we must be guilty….

    Joe might be a loon. I’m sure I sound like one sometimes. (Passionate belief can do that.)
    We have an unjust system. We need to fix that. More objective. Less subjective. And not more objective WRT tickets, for example. Or statutory rape, a big one in several ways. It’s clear that forcible rape is evil and wrong. It is wrong for the law to punish teen lovers though. Worse that it punishes him and treats her as a victim. He hits 18, she becomes a victim? WTF? Or, she’s in a club, therefore carded by the bouncer. She is a victim of a man’s advances? Really? She’s in by lying or bribing the bouncer. How is the man to know? She dances with him, leads him on. … But she’s a victim?
    Now, if he pursues her, gets her drunk. .. maybe a different story. Is he drunk too? Since he then can’t give consent, is SHE a rapist?

    This is the level of stupid we’re getting to. Cops are revenue collectors and mercenaries. That’s a problem. If we can’t make simple laws, we have a bad system. Taxes are another good example. Too many CNFLICTING laws. No one can keep them straight. It must be simple and easy, or it is impossible to NOT be a criminal, and the only sane solution to an insane situation is insanity. If only criminals can get ahead, I’ll take my chances, and my profits. It’s a lose-lose situation, or zero-sum game at best.
    It’s a kleptocracy. Steal what you can while you can, enjoy the decline. That’s not a world we want, right?
    Because your kids could be stolen… real bad.

  • t.

    Jean, Jean, the dancing machine. Easy.

    First…about your $9000. No. As I said to @Shawn, research your banking laws. A simple receipt from your bank and its no problem.

    You are frigtheningly sheltered if you don’t understand that crime is about money. M O N E Y. Drug sales are about the money. Fraud is about the money. Breaking and enterings, robberies…money, money, money.

    Remove that profit….make it too expensive to commit the crime…remove the crime. (Often that theory works…sometimes not so much)

    I really don’t understand what part of this is so hard. Now you don’t have to agree with it, that’s a different matter. But just look at it, even as told. The stop takes places (RS or not RS, that is the question), somehow the police learn of this $14,000 in the car. The driver and passenger are spoken too (a reasonable assumption) and some story emerges (we here that a re has been sold and a personal loan obtained for the purchase of a new car). The money getsseized and tthe guys get charged with money laundering.

    Now what don’t we know? Time and place to start. Very important information. After business hours? An car dealers around? What story did the driver tell? The passenger? What was the stop for? All very, very important info that “Joe” mysteriously leaves out. Not that it stops you from choking on the hook.

    In a bizzare way (for you to think like anyway) you should be happy about these kinds of seizures. They go directly back to training and equipment to make more seizures. Much lessto no taxpayer dollars involved. All bad guy money.

    BTW, the reason iI say that is bet they won’t come back is because they nearly never do. If in this case the money is all clean, getting the information I spoke of should be super simple. If not? 14 grand of drug money off of the street.

  • shawn

    @T

    So you finally admit the motivation is for obtaining money? About time you were honest.

    Why don’t you go back and look at how texas got in trouble for their foreitue extortion last year?

  • t.

    Drug interdiction is in a large way a out money, and keeping it out of criminal hands. You a t like we get some personal benefit. Federal Assest Forfeiture is heavily regulated. The funds can only be used to fund specific things like equipment and training. I’ve been involved in lots of drug related seizures….guns, money, cars, houses, boats….you name it.
    Deny them their profits. Even if its only localized. Displacing crime from my community is my goal. If that means it moves into the next city over….well those guys need to work to displace it from their city. Making it costly to do business is a way to do that.

  • jayduba

    t, what was the reasonable suspicion? Driving while Latino?

  • t.

    Duba: Don’t know. “Joe” didn’t write that part. All I have to go on about this specific case is what he wrote.
    The rest of my comment(s) are based on over 17 years of experience. But keep in mind….RS can’t just be a hunch, true. But it doesn’t have to be much more than that. It it can accumulate as you go. 1 little indicator may be nothing. Add in a second and maybe a third…different story. RS is a far lower and different standard than PC. I point that out as frequently on this site (and other similar sites) the terms are mixed up. Heck, I have had to correct many attorneys in court and make them look stupid when they ask about “what was your PC to stop my client”. They are different. What’s even worse is what is usually seen in the posted videos is people demanding BRD on the street.
    Its really kind of sad. I’ve commented about many times hoping that you guys would take it as education to keep you and your friends out of trouble. You may not like how things are (there are certainly things I would like to see changed too) but the advice I give is spot on and not designed to get you into trouble.

  • Art Clark

    “t” the adult wants you children to remain calm and not get all worked up when you dialog:

    “Jean: Have beer guy. Holy smokes.”

    . . . and . . .

    “Jean, Jean, the dancing machine. Easy.”

    We should all calm down, have a beer, and take it easy just like “t” says. Let’s follow his example as he types his responses above while the veins on his neck are standing out and turning purple:

    “Liar”
    “Retard”,
    “What an idiot you are”
    “your stupid is showing”
    “you goofballs don’t get it”
    “Quit being an ass”

    Don’t you children recognize t’s calm benevolence and good will toward you? After all, he’s all about you:

    “I’ve commented about many times hoping that you guys would take it as education to keep you and your friends out of trouble.”

    Isn’t that thoughtful and kind? He’s wringing his hands, hoping that you “lying retard stupid idiot assholes” will educate yourselves with his wisdom and stay out of trouble.

    Now, drink your vinegar, children, and take your nap.

  • t.

    Art: More flattery. I am worthy.

  • t.

    Just make sure you don’t include my imposter / impersonator’s still with mine.

  • Quad

    How did the cop know they had the money? They were just Driving While Mexican. Did these guys actually consent to a search or was the search done illegally? Or were they dumb enough to have the cash in a bag lying on the seat (in plain view)?

  • steve

    FUCK THOSE ILLEGALS TAKE THEIR CAR AND THEIR MONEY AND PUT IT INTO THE WELFARE FUNDS THEY FUCKEN ROB.

  • WBC

    God blew up the fertilizer plant because he hates crooked Hill County cops.

  • jingo5

    What I don’t understand about t is his inability to see any grey in life. He speaks of cops as “good guys”, and those who sell drugs as “bad guys”. If we got rid of prohibition we wouldn’t have a lot of those “bad guys”. I remember at one time LEOs would actually help the community they work in rather than drive everyone to jail. At one point cops weren’t all that evil, but it is a lot different today. At one point common sense was allowed, but the legislators legislated that away, and the cops lapped it up. As for asset forfeiture…I couldn’t care less about giving the cops nice shiny new cars to drive, or train them how to better harass and annoy. This is all my opinion, and I have a right to it, and though t or someone else is going to say how dumb and wrong I am I know one thing; at some point all of this dumb shit is going to end, and I for one will be okay with myself because I don’t set out to hurt, harass, annoy, or belittle people because of what they drink or what they smoke or what color they are.

  • t.

    5: It’s not me that thinks he lives in a black n white world. Just look at your statement about how the police used to help the community, but now they just “drive everyone to jail”. Taking the bullies criminals and plagues on society to jail is helping the community. I’ve said time after time that I couldn’t care any less if you smoked yourself into oblivion today. Have at it. The problem though is far, far bigger than that. The number of paired drivers…impaired by a drug other than alcohol…is an unreported and in punished issue. (The old joke is that dope smokers just drive slowly so it isnt a problem is exactly that…a joke. Slowed reaction times and impaired judgement is still a huge factor in many crashes). And that still just a small part of the problem. Drug use leads to assaults, fights, and an amazingly huge amount of property crimes. I’ve met “responsible” drug user in the past…in factt I know many that only quit because of their jobs and realizing that they have a family to take care of as they are getting older.

    This like every thing in life is a very complex issue. No “black and white” at all. But like I just asked @shawn on a different thread…your rights are important, but so are everyone else’s. why are yours more important than your neighbors? Say you are a responsible drug user and works hard and can afford you drugs. So there you are at home and you have some drug using buddies over. (First, as established earlier…they will most likely be driving impaired) Now you neighbors have not only you to deal with…but a bunch a drug using buddies. And most likely they aren’t as fortunate as you and they can’t afford their rent,power, water and food AND their drugs. So they start swiping stuff from the neighbors car, or garage, or house. Now you have brought a scurge into your neighborhood and helped to victimize your neighbors. Who’s rights are more important?

  • DactaSoos

    WOW STEVE I NEVER REALIZED THAT TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS MADE SOMEONE SEEM WAY SMARTER YOU HAVE OPENED UP A NEW WORLD FOR ME!