Rich Paul, targeted for political associations, faces 81-years in a cage for victimless actions

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rights-of-everyone-are-threatened-jfk-rich-paul-copblockIn 2012 Rich Paul – a longtime proponent of marijuana legalization – was kidnapped and caged by employees of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, NH Drug Task Force, and Keene Police Department. Paul admitted to several sales of several ounces of marijuana – and sought jury nullification. He was candid because he knew he hadn’t wronged anyone. His actions had caused no victim.

Yet, as if to showcase the injustice provided by the “justice system” in 2013 Rich Paul was sentenced to 12-months in the “House of Corrections” after which he’ll have three-years of probation as well as a 1 1/2 – 3-year prison sentence suspended for six-years. With time already served and less the “good behavior” time, he should be out in early 2014.

It’s curious that during trial, no employee of the FBI or NH DTF would admit to establishing their working relationship on this case. What came to light was that the FBI supplied the money and undercover surveillance equipment used, including that worn by Richie Dupont – a heroin-seller-turned-wire-wearer.

It seems clear that, based on how this came-together, as well as previous attempts by FBI employee Phil Christiana, that Rich Paul was targeted in an attempt to obtain more information about those active with the broad liberty movement in New Hampshire. In short, Rich Paul is a political prisoner.

Become familiar with Rich Paul’s situation and see what conclusion you reach.   We can together make a positive difference.

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Rich Paul, targeted for political associations, faces 81-years in a cage for victimless actions

by Pete Eyre
April 10, 2013

Phil Christiana, who works at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, has for years been looking for an “in” into the growing liberty community based in New Hampshire (due in part to the Free State Project).

Last year, Richie Dupont, after being arrested selling heroin, agreed to work with Christiana as a confidential informant. Dupont engaged in deals with Rich Paul, an activist who had spearheaded the 420 Celebrations in Keene, which brought-about de facto legalization for those who chose to consume a plant in public, as noted in a Cannabis Culture feature article.


Jury nullification outreach to those sitting on Rich Paul’s case was done on April 8th

Paul admits to being involved in several sales of several ounces of marijuana and one sale of a compound that’s legal (which those doing the charging initially said was LSD). As he correctly points-out his actions caused no victim. Yet thanks to the failed war on some substances, Paul found himself threatened with 81-years in a cage.

Christinia asked Paul to wear a wire into the Keene Activist Center, where others known to advocate for a peaceful community without the institutionalized violence of a coercive monopoly known as “the state” gather to brainstorm and socialize. Rather than comply, Paul acted on his principles and not only didn’t wear a wire, but made public his situation.

Paul’s jury trial begins next Tuesday, April 16th. Let’s work together to help Rich and in doing so, help erode the failed war on (some) substances.


Activist, entrapped; blackmailed by FBI! Fights back! Part 1

by Rich Paul
April 10th, 2013 via Facebook

My name is Rich Paul. Last year, on May 31st, I was arrested by the Keene Police department. I was transported to the police station, where I expected to be booked for some crime. But I was not booked. Instead, I was taken to Special Agent Philip Christiana, who attempted to blackmail me. I was threatened with 81 years in prison, for delivery of marijuana and delivery of a substance purported to be LSD. I had, indeed, delivered marijuana as alleged, but had not purported anything to be LSD. The told me I had only one chance to save myself from them … that was to go on selling marijuana, but at the same time to spy on my friends at the Keene Activist Center, a political association of which I am a member.

I invoked my right to council, but Christiana said that if I did not relent, that the offer would be withdrawn, and that I would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and that no plea bargains would be offered to me at any time. I wanted to hear what he had to say, so I did relent and waived my right to council. I said that I would not make any kind of deal with him without being represented by council, to protect my interests. I also told him that we would not be negotiating with him, because he did not have the authority to give me immunity, and because law enforcement officers are permitted to lie to suspects, and that I could not trust him for that reason. He responded with a lie … he said that he was not permitted to lie to suspects. This is patently false. He went on to assert that if he perjured himself that he would be fired. This was probably true, but was a half lie … he could not perjure himself in conversation with me, because he was not under oath. Perjury is the crime of telling a lie under oath. I explained this to Christiana, and he reacted as if that information was new to him. At this point I lost all respect for Special Agent Philip Christiana of the FBI.


Rich Paul, at 420 Celebration smoking in memory of lost liberties

Christiana spoke with me about what he intended for me to do. He wanted me to return to the KAC wearing a hidden transmitter, and to lie about the reason for my arrest, and to determine how people reacted, and who questioned my story. This was clearly not the actual intent of the whole operation. He repeatedly told me “You are going to have to do things that you don’t want to do”. I asked him “Like what?”. He said that some of my friends would be selected, and I would be expected to lure them into felonious drug transactions with me, in order that they could be blackmailed in the same way. I told him that if I knew anybody who was making a bomb or planning violence that I would have come to him, rather than waiting for him to come to me. He did not seem to care. He veered from solicitous to aggressive, at one point suggesting that “nobody had to go to prison”, but at another saying that “somebody was going to go to prison, it was all about who”. I answered that it was not about that, it was about right and wrong.

At this point, Christiana started to question me. When he asked the first question, my address, I again invoked my right to council. Christiana repeated that if I invoked my right to council, that I would be going to jail for a long time. I said “OK, we’ll do that, then”. At this point Christiana appeared to end the interview … he had a KPD officer process me to be sent over to the jail. I was fingerprinted and my personal information demanded. Then I was placed in a cell for a short time. Then I was removed, and returned to the interrogation room where I had spoken with Christiana previously. At this point, to my astonishment, he told me that I was going to be released on my own recognizance, and that I could contact a lawyer, but that I was only to ask this lawyer whether an FBI had the power to give immunity. I made non-committal noises that might have sounded like agreement, but I had no intention of limiting my conversation with my attorney when I had obtained one, or to accept legal advice from law enforcement, especially from an agent who had already attempted to mislead me repeatedly. I insisted in getting a business card from Christiana, and he finally agreed, but crossed out the “ip” in his first name and his entire last name, his email address, and other identifying information. I could not believe how amateurish this appeared. I thanked Christiana for leaving his water board at home, and he ushered me out the front door of the police station and told me to start walking, not even waiting for my ride to arrive. I half expected to be shot in the back as I walked away. I breathed a sigh of relief when I reached Marlboro Street.

I was delighted when, a few hundred yards later, my lady’s car rolled into view, and she returned me to the Club.

To be continued …

Coming up: How the blackmailer was exposed, why Rich posted a confession on YouTube, and why he still expects to win the case!


FBI – Your Tactics Aren’t Welcomed In This Peaceful Community

by Pete Eyre
May 31st, 2012

Phillip “Phil” Christiana – an employee of the Federal Bureau of Investigation – has for years been snooping-around the peaceful community in Keene, NH. His interest seems to have stepped-up, having recently solicited activist Rich Paul to wear a wire when visiting the Keene Activity Center.

Visit a complete overview, including relevant links and pictures, the transcript of this video and an embedded version of the related Crimethinc document “Inside the FBI Entrapment Strategy.”


Phone Tag with Phil Christiana

by Pete Eyre
June 6th, 2012

This video is a follow-up to “FBI – Your Tactics Aren’t Welcomed In This Peaceful Community” posted on May 31st, 2012:

The purpose of this video is to make transparent the conversations had with FBI employee Phil Christiana.


Inside the FBI Entrapment Strategy: An Analysis

by Pete Eyre
June 8th, 2012


Update: Wednesday, April 10th, 2013

Police to Release Heroin Dealer to Bust Cannabis Dealer? by Ian Freeman posted to points to the video at the top of this post, and notes:

This is the insane “war on drugs”: The KPD & FBI bust a heroin dealer then promise to set him free in return for helping them bust a cannabis dealer! The story goes deeper – turns out it was all about targeting Rich Paul’s political associates. The FBI’s Phil Christiana was handling the case and tried to get Rich Paul to set up his fellow liberty activists for arrest. Rich refused to turn snitch and is now going to jury trial on Tuesday at 9am at Cheshire “superior” court. In this video from CopBlock‘s Pete Eyre, Rich Admits he sold cannabis and plans to ask the jury to nullify the war on drugs. Rich says, toward the end of the video, “The time has come to end…this war on drugs”.


Update: Wednesday, April 10th, 2013

2013.04.09 KEENE Rich Paul Update
Streamed to

Rich shares some ideas then lights up at in Keene’s Central Square then Pete Eyre gives some background and points to


Update: Thursday, April 11th, 2013

On Wednesday, April 10th Rich Paul was a guest on Free Talk Live – a radio station on over 100 stations, two XM stations and satellite.

LISTEN TO April 10th Episode of Free Talk Live


Update: Friday, April 12th, 2013

On Wednesday, April 10th, in his post to Pileusblog FBI Trying to Infiltrate Keene, New Hampshire, Jason Sorens wrote:

Here are some questions the FBI ought to answer, that is, if they were in any way accountable to those of us who are paying their salaries under duress:

  1. Why is the FBI taking such a keen interest in these small-scale marijuana offenses?
  2. Is the FBI targeting Keene libertarians, anarchists, and “voluntaryists” for their political views?
  3. Does the FBI countenance or authorize the deceptive and coercive interrogation tactics reportedly used by this agent?


Update: Monday, April 15th, 2013

Coverage for Rich Paul via Cannabis Culture:

Activist Facing 81 Years Admits to Selling Pot, Seeks Jury Nullification

CANNABIS CULTURE – In a story that seems like a Hollywood screenplay, a political activist is making a stand against laws he feels are unjust. Rich Paul, the founder of the New Hampshire based 4:20 Foundation, is facing four felony charges for selling marijuana.

The trial is set to start on April 16th, 2013 at Cheshire Superior Court in Keene, NH. Paul has admitted to the selling the pot and is going to be seeking jury nullification; the common-law right of juries to acquit a guilty defendant when the law is unjust or misapplied. Add the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the mix and the story gets much more interesting.

Rich Paul participates in a Keene, New Hampshire based political activism club called the Keene Activist Center (KAC). Many members of the KAC have caught the ire of local city officials and law enforcement while performing various acts of civil-disobedience. Paul has organized large marijuana rallies and peaceful protests on Keene city commons. At one of the earliest and largest such events in September of 2009, Paul was arrested for marijuana possession.

On May 31st, 2012 Paul was arrested in Keene, NH by Keene Police. When he arrived at the Keene Police Department he was interviewed by Federal Bureau of Investigation Agent Phillip Christiana, assigned to the joint terrorism task force out of the Manchester, New Hampshire office. Agent Christiana alleged that an informant had made multiple purchases of controlled substances from Paul and indicated that the maximum sentence he would face was 81 years in prison.

Agent Christiana then offered to make the charges against Rich “go away”. If Rich would agree to wear a wire into the Keene Activist Center, surreptitiously record the other activists, and persuade them to sell drugs to Paul, the charges would disappear. Rich doesn’t recall being asked if anybody at the KAC even sold illegal drugs.

Rich Paul took a heroic stand, rejecting the offer and instead informing his fellow activists of the Agent Christiana’s request. Rather than fleeing the State or the Country, Paul has elected to fight the charges in his own way. Recently, juries have begun to nullify the marijuana law. Doug Darrell, a 59-year-old Rastafarian charged with marijuana cultivation, was acquitted by a jury who felt that the marijuana laws were unjust, despite taking the stand and confessing.

As of 2012, New Hampshire has a unique state statute that explicitly legalizes, “the right of a jury to judge the application of the law in relationship to the facts in controversy.” Paul is looking for a similar result and will be focused on informing the jurors of their right to nullification. Political activism, honor, and courage should not add up to a life sentence.

Paul is available for interview at 603-762-6614 or [email protected]; alternative contact Ian Freeman at 603-513-2449 or [email protected].

Court of Record: Cheshire
Superior Court, Keene, NH
Case Number: 12-cr-131

– Press release from Free Keene.


Update: Monday, April 15th, 2013

Rich Paul had a motion hearing this morning after which time he posted to his Facebook profile:



Update: Tuesday, April 16th, 2013

Eighty-One Years for Weed? by Harry Cheadle via
Rich Paul practicing some civil disobedience.

Here’s how absurd the war on drugs has gotten: firstly, an activist from Keene, New Hampshire, is facing 81 years in prison for dealing marijuana; and secondly, even though he’s admitted on camera that he did sell about a pound of pot to an FBI informant, he’s still fighting the case in court in hopes the jury will acquit him.

The man’s name is Rich Paul, and his ordeal started last May, when he was arrested for selling weed and LSD (he claims he sold a legal chemical compound that wasn’t LSD). Instead of being charged with a crime, he wrote in a Facebook note about the incident and was taken to see an FBI agent named Philip Christiana, who threatened to throw the book at him unless he turned informer on his friends. According to Rich, Phil wanted him to wear a wire into meetings of a local political group he belonged to called the Keene Activist Center, lie to them about his arrest, and encourage them to commit crimes. Rich said no, and shared his story with the public—even going so far as to explain on video that he had been busted after selling ounces of weed to a confidential informant on multiple occasions.

There are several odd things about this trial, which started today. (Follow live updates through this Facebook page.) First, it’s not clear why the FBI, or this particular agent, was so keen, pun intended, to go after the KAC. Although the organization is “liberty-minded” (in other words, not fans of the police or other forms of government), it’s also explicitly nonviolent. Those kind of libertarian/anarchist/whatever-you-want-to-call-it politics are common in New Hampshire—in fact, groups like the Shire Society and the Free State Project encourage people who are tired of being hassled by the Man to move to the state, and the Keene area in particular. Acts of civil disobedience by the KAC and other activists are relatively common; Rich himself organized 4:20 PM “smoke-ins” at Keene’s Central Square to protest drug-prohibition laws.

In an email to me late last night, Rich said that his prosecution is an outlier. “Local law enforcement in Keene has always been extremely respectful, courteous and professional. Many of them, I will not say which, sympathize with us on many of our concerns, though most do not condone civil disobedience,” he wrote.

“The FBI, however, has stumbled around this investigation blindly, not bothering to understand who [the KAC was] from our published works before they made the clumsy attempt to infiltrate us… They may really be concerned that we may be violent, but if they are, they do not understand us. Our nonviolent rhetoric is matched by our actions. The club is not a hive of scum and villainy.”

The other striking thing about the case is that Rich had the opportunity to avoid a court fight without going to prison at all—he was offered a plea deal that would have included no jail time shortly before the trial. He turned it down, however, “both to make a point, and because I do not want to be a felon, because that would interfere with my right to keep and bear and arms,” he told me.

Rich appears lighthearted in a video from last week where he lights up a joint and yells about “hope for a day when people do not fear the government because the government fears the people!” while wearing a Ron Paul T-shirt (no relation). But his activism has some serious, emotional roots—he told me that his inspiration for fighting the war on drugs was his girlfriend, Julie, who died of cancer in 2002 at the age of 31. She didn’t use medical marijuana because it was illegal, but in 2009, Rich started smoking pot, and his life changed for the better. “I found that I started recovering from Julie’s death,” Rich said. “It helped me open up to life again. Something with that much power for good must be available. I started dating for the first time in seven or eight years. I fell in love again. I finally had the life I wanted… and then the hammer fell.”

The thing that Rich is counting on to stop the hammer from falling—and reward him for standing up for his why-can’t-I-sell-some-fucking-pot-to-my-friends principles—isn’t a traditional legal argument. It’s pretty much assumed that Rich did technically break the (unjust) law by selling weed. What he’s banking on is that the jury will “nullify” his case—in other words, they’ll come to the conclusion that the statutes he violated shouldn’t exist in the first place and there’s no reason to send him to jail. That’s not such a far-fetched idea. Although judges and prosecutors throughout the country hate the idea of jurors deciding the law for themselves, it’s technically legal, and a law that came into effect this year allows defense attorneys to inform juries that they can reach a not guilty verdict if they object to the law. A Rastafarian named Doug Darrell had his marijuana charge nullified by a New Hampshire jury last September, so there’s at least a sliver of hope for Rich. Meanwhile, 420 celebrations have started up again in Keene’s Central Square in solidarity with him.

“Somebody had to stand up and say that this is wrong, and I thought I might well be that guy,” Rich told me. “I took the risk and now we’ll find out whether I bet my life well.”



Update: Tuesday, April 16th, 2013

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Ademo Freeman, Pete Eyre, and Garret Ean ambush interview Federal Bureau of Investigations agent Phil Christiana of the joint terrorism task force. Interview commences outside of the Cheshire county superior court during the first day of Rich Paul’s trial for cannabis distribution. Recorded at approx. 4:20pm, Keene, NH.

Christiana has been interested in finding a confidential informant within the Free State Project, having wanted to gather information confidentially from independent videojournalist Dave Ridley a few years prior. He declined to speak at all to Dave Ridley on the record, as well as declining to speak to Pete Eyre on the record. Earlier during the trial, Phil admitted to suggesting that Rich Paul wear a wire to investigate the Keene Activist Center. When further asked, he communicated that he “could not” answer questions about it. April 16 2013

Shortly after, Rich and some friends gathered at nearby Central Square, where he shared some thoughts on the day’s events.


Update: Tuesday, April 16th, 2013

Free Concord posted to the following:

Ambush Interview with FBI Agent Investigating NH Libertarians

Today outside of day one of the historic trial of Rich Paul for cannabis distribution, myself, Pete Eyre, and Ademo Freeman had the opportunity to interview FBI Special Agent Phil Christiana. Earlier in the day, on the witness stand, Phil admitted to working for the joint terrorism task force, and was very reluctant to reveal any information about his asking Rich Paul to wear a wire. When asked directly why he was investigating the Keene Activist Center, he stated that he could not speak about the KAC. Coincidentally (or not) two weeks after Rich’s arrest, city bureaucrats obtained a search warrant to inspect for smoke detectors and evidence of a ‘lodging house’.


Phil Christiana

As he exited the courthouse following his testimony today, the three of us asked Phil about his investigations into peaceful people in the Keene area. According to him, Rich’s case is the only time he has worked with the NH Drug Task Force, receiving approximately six calls for service from local and state agencies per year. His responses were brief and slick. When Kim Kossick, Rich’s public defender, inquired why Christiana offered to drop charges if Rich would wiretap others at the Keene Activist Center, the agent responded that he was not at liberty to discuss an investigation relative to the KAC. Christiana has had an interest in finding informants within the New Hampshire liberty movement for a few years. He approached Dave Ridley in 2005 but ceased interacting with him once informed that everything he relayed to Ridley would be shared publicly. According to Dave:

My experience with him was that he was more or less polite and professional…but creepy. He came to the same Keene house when I lived there, to learn more about Russell Kanning’s plans for civil disobedience at Manchester Airport’s TSA checkpoint.

He also requested to have lunch with me and indicated, not in so many words, that he wanted me to be an informant. I told him I would be interested in having that lunch but would report everything we said to the public. He decline to interact with me after that.

Shortly after Rich was released on bail for the charges he’s currently on trial for, he spread the word that the FBI was looking to make him into a confidential informant. When Pete Eyre, who was at the time living at the KAC, tried to contact Phil about why he wanted to wiretap his home, the federal agent declined to discuss anything on the record, and insisted on an undocumented conversation with Pete.

During the trial, Christiana stated that it is FBI policy not to record interrogations. For this reason, no record exists of himself trying to convince Rich to covertly record others. What does it say about an individual whose job is to record others without their consent, for the purpose of collecting incriminating evidence against them, that does not feel comfortable discussing the nature of their work on the record?

The trial of Rich Paul has caught the interest of a number of media outlets in recent days, with The Examiner, Vice, Cannabis Culture, and CopBlock running independent stories. Ademo published his angle of the interview with Christiana to his youtube channel earlier this evening. Live updates from the trial will be posted to the Free Keene twitter feed as proceedings resume in the morning.


Update: Tuesday, April 16th, 2013

Coverage ab0ut Rich Paul’s first day of trial by Free Talk Live – a nationally-syndicated radio station on over 100 stations, two XM stations and satellite.

LISTEN TO April 16th Episode of Free Talk Live


Update: Tuesday, April 16th, 2013

Today is Day One in Rich Paul’s fight against legal prosecution for an act that the libertarians at CopBlock call “victimless actions.”

Paul, a political activist in New Hampshire, is charged with selling marijuana and faces up to 81 years in jail on felony charges.

Paul had a chance to get the charges against him dropped; all he had to do was take a plea bargain and then become an undercover spy for the FBI against his friends.

Instead, he rejected all behind-the-scenes deals and has gone to trial where he will admit to being a drug dealer and seek acquittal using a jury nullification defense.

While marijuana use, possession, cultivation and distribution are still illegal, New Hampshire is the only state in the nation to legally recognize jury nullification as a defense.

According to a news release from Free Keene, a website that advocates for a voluntary society, Paul and other members of the Keene Activist Center “caught the ire of local city officials and law enforcement” for exercising their Constitutional rights through acts of civil disobedience, holding marijuana rallies and other peaceful protests on the Keene city commons.

After being set up by a police informant who bought marijuana from him in an undercover sting operation Paul was arrested and taken into custody. But then, again according to the Free Keene news release, he was interviewed by an FBI agent “assigned to the joint terrorism task force.”

While this information leaves the impression that selling the marijuana weed is somehow an act of terrorism no other explanation was offered to explain why such an FBI agent was involved in a simple marijuana distribution case.

Paul was told the charges against him would “go away” if he would wear a concealed recording device, convince his friends at the Keene Activist Center to sell him drugs, and surreptitiously entrap them by recording them.

Paul refused to cooperate and chose to take his chances in the courtroom.

Others have successfully used the jury nullification defense in the recent past. Rastafarian Doug Darrell, charged in New Hampshire with marijuana cultivation, confessed in court and was acquitted.

Another Rastafarian, Ed “NJWeedman” Forchion, successfully used jury nullification in his medical marijuana case to escape conviction in New Jersey even though that state doesn’t officially acknowledge the right to jury nullification.

Rich Paul detailed the background on his case in a CopBlock video.


Update: Wednesday, April 17th, 2013

Today the “state” rested after Charles Newton, now with the NH State Highway Patrol finished his testimony, his former bosses James “Jim” Mayer and Barry Hunter of the NH Drug Task Force testified, and Richard “Richie” Dupont, who wore the FBI camera/wire testified. Tomorrow (Thursday) Rich Paul is expected to testify, closing statements will be made, jury instructions, then deliberation.

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Update: Wednesday, April 17th, 2013

The raw footage of Rich Paul’s trial will be uploaded to at some point in the near future…


Update: Thursday, April 18th, 2013

At approximately 9:00 AM, the third day of Rich Paul’s trial began. Rather than Rich taking the stand, the defense chose to rest. In closing arguments, Rich Paul’s attorney argued that jurors have a right to vote their conscience, even if they do believe the “state” has proven the elements of the supposed “crime” beyond a reasonable doubt. That said, she pointed out the numerous contradictions and dishonest answers in the testimonies of “state” witnesses – it was reasonable to believe that the FBI had a hidden agenda. In regards to the purported LSD charge, she highlighted that at no time during the interaction did Rich refer to the substance as LSD. “LSD” never came out of Rich’s mouth, nor was the substance actually LSD.

John Webb, the prosecutor for the “state,” claimed that there were red herrings in defense’s closing arguments. His argument was not very convincing, unless you are a person who believes words on paper can justify forcing a person who has harmed no one into a cage.

After closing arguments, the jury was released for deliberation. A couple hours into deliberation, a lunch break was called. Shortly after returning from lunch break, the jury returned verdicts. Rich Paul was found guilty on all five ‘felony’ charges for his victim-free actions. After the verdict was returned, still facing the jurors, Rich Paul said, “I forgive you.”

The jury was released and the judge asked to hear counsel on bail. He then ordered Rich Paul be taken into custody and transported to the Cheshire County House of Corrections, where he will be caged until sentencing. The date of sentencing was not announced.

Afterwards, none of the jurors were interested in a 5-minute interview for $20, but one juror who was asked why he chose not to make history responded by saying that “the law” has to be obeyed.

If you’d like to write to Rich while he awaits sentencing, you can do so through by clicking here.


Update: Thursday, April 18th, 2013

Ian posted to the following:

Rich Paul Found Guilty – Juror admits, “We didn’t want to break the law.”

In yet another sad jury decision, activist Rich Paul, the creator of the historic 420 celebrations in downtown Keene, was found guilty of multiple felony counts of selling cannabis to other consenting humans and one count of selling a substance prosecutors said he claimed was LSD. (Paul never claimed the substance was LSD but that didn’t matter to the jury.)

As is so typical, the jurors left the building together for protection from the raining questions from people who love the peaceful human the jurors sent to a cage. Not one juror would take $20 for a five minute interview.

However, there was one juror willing to speak, albeit only for a moment. He admits when asked why he didn’t make history today, that “We didn’t want to break the law.” and then accuses me of threatening him. He then gets into a dark blue minivan with a Romney sticker, tinted windows, and the license plate FISHERS:

They took three hours, so presumably some of the jurors were voting not guilty, but were turned. That’s just like in the occupy trial, where we actually did get one juror to talk on camera, AFTER the other jurors and bailiffs had left. Hopefully someday, one juror will develop a spine and stand up for their beliefs, even against a group. It’s OK to hang a jury! I also believe jurors need to be told this. A jury does not have to return a verdict. One must wonder what pressure they are under to vote against their conscience. They must know how scary and dangerous the state people are and are easily swayed to guilty, after all, wouldn’t want to cross “the state”!


Update: Thursday, April 18th, 2013

Jay posted to the following:

Write to Rich Paul in jail

While he awaits sentencing, you can write Rich through the Mail to Jail service at the link below:


Update: Monday, April 22nd, 2013

Ian posted to the following:

Rich Paul’s Follow-Up Interview for – Recorded from Jail

Rich Paul’s story has already been covered once by prior to the trial and now journalist Harry Cheadle has a couple more questions for Rich. I went to the Keene Spiritual Retreat aka the Cheshire “House of Corrections” to ask him the questions on video:



Update: Tuesday, April 30th, 2013

Ian posted to the following:

FIJA Calls for New Trial for Rich Paul

In an editorial piece, the Fully Informed Jury Association calls for a new trial for Rich Paul based on “superior” court judge John C. Kissinger’s biased jury instructions:

Helena, MT—A Cheshire County, New Hampshire jury convicted local marijuana and liberty activist Rich Paul today on five felony counts of victimless drug charges. Paul had disputed one of the charges on the facts and had openly pursued jury nullification on the other four charges, which involved the sale of small amounts of marijuana. The buyer turned out to be an FBI-paid informant who had entrapped Paul in exchange for leniency for his own heroin offense.

In 2012, New Hampshire passed HB 146, a fully informed jury bill, which guaranteed defendants the ability in court “to inform the jury of its right to judge the facts and the application of the law in relation to the facts in controversy.” The measure took effect on January 1 of this year.

While the defense did make the case for jury nullification, the judge undermined the intent of the law through misinformation in the instructions he issued to the jury. An attendee at the trial reported on the Free Keene Facebook page that, “Judge John C. Kissinger is reading jury instructions, where he is emphasizing the word “I” in his claim that the jury “must follow the law as *I* explain it”.”

Iloilo Jones, Executive Director of the Fully Informed Jury Association comments that, “This is a case in which a dishonest judge committed perjury in the instructions, by speaking against the authority of the jurors of New Hampshire. He used the influence of office and costume to persuade uninformed jurors to sacrifice the authority of conscience and the true role of jurors. Judge Kissinger intoned once again from the robe of office to confuse and convince the intimidated jurors to obey the laws of the government. It is no surprise that completely confused jurors would scatter in disarray before the overwhelming and intimidating power of the state.”

“Few (uninformed) jurors understand that their role is to protect fellow citizens from government tyranny, and that their first consideration is to protect the person on trial from the viciousness, greed, and ambition of government-paid employees of the same government that is making these laws, which violate human rights no less than slavery laws violated human rights,” Jones said. “It was informed jurors who helped to end slavery. Informed jurors today can help end all government abuses of human rights that are committed by government employees. Jurors are to protect people from these cruel laws, which make us slaves of government. Government wishes to own our bodies, our lives, and our productivity.”

FIJA National Coordinator Kirsten Tynan notes the blatant and unfair double standard at work in this case. “Judge Kissinger reportedly refused to include any information about jury nullification in the jury instructions and then explicitly misinformed jurors by telling them that they must follow the law as he gave it to them. He seemed intent on bullying jurors into following the letter of the law, yet he was perfectly willing to undermine it himself with false information in the instructions he delivered to them.”

Jones notes that such bullying behavior has a dramatic and chilling effect on our rights to due process and trial by jury. “If jurors are threatened, taught, and warned not to render a verdict based on their own conscience by the dishonest, government-paid judge running the courtroom, then jury trial even in New Hampshire is a sham designed to uphold the government and its employees and enforcers, rather than what jury trial is meant to be: a protection of the individual person against the ravages, greed, ambition, and dishonesty of government employees, including dishonest judges.”

In the face of such misconduct, says Jones, there is only one just remedy. “A new trial before a fully informed and honestly selected jury, with an honest judge presiding, is necessary in any case where the judge lies to the jury. This case, as with all cases before dishonest judges, must be retried before an informed and unintimidated jury,” said Jones.

About the Fully Informed Jury Association
FIJA is a non-profit association dedicated to educating the general public about their full rights, powers, and responsibilities in delivering just verdicts as trial jurors. The organization publishes and distributes educational literature and maintains a web site at to inform the general public of their Constitutional authority to protect human rights by refusing to enforce bad laws. FIJA encourages all jurors to consult their consciences when deliberating over a case, and to refuse to enforce any law that violates the human rights of the defendant.



Update: Friday, May 3th, 2013

Wendy French posted to the following:

Greetings to all! To those who are following the Trial of Rich Paul, the saga continues. . .So much gratitude is going out to each individual for the overwhelming flood of loving support for Rich that is flowing his way! It has come in many forms, food, prayers, visits, mail, cash, paypal, bitcoins, oh my! Most important has been the activism supporting Rich with juror outreach and education, and the independent media coverage done by Rich’s friends right here in Keene, where history is being made and the world is able to watch thanks to them! A very special thank you goes to Ian Freeman for the incredible feat of filming the entire trial! Please tune in to this documented display of this cast of prohibition enforcement characters weaving a tangled web in the attempt to make a martyr out of Rich Paul.

Ian also did juror outreach every day of the trial (and for the last five years!), filmed Rich’s jurors as they left the courthouse after the verdict, and also filmed Rich’s interview from jail and posted it on Thank you also to for covering Rich’s story before the trial began, and for also posting the interview with Rich from inside the jail.

As for any local NH newpapers covering this, thank you to the Manchester Union Leader for linking to the ambush interview video with Special Agent Philip Christiana of the FBI, and linking to, where Terry Franklin wrote “Despite Guilty Verdict, Rich Paul victorious in NH” in which Rich is highly honored with the statement “Like Martin Luther King, the victory is in the righteousness of his stand.” No other mention has been found in any of the NH newspapers, including the local Keene Sentinel which has been notified and has chosen to deem this story unimportant, so far. An important suggestion was made on how to get Rich’s story covered by the NH papers, thank you to David Ridley for his video, FBI vs. Rich Paul. If we draw attention to the fact that the day after the Boston event of April 15th, the FBI’s Philip Christiana, a bomb specialist for the Boston region, was not in Boston, but was in fact sitting on the stand testifying against Rich Paul, then perhaps the NH papers may find enough of a story to deem this important! When I say “testifying” I really mean perjuring himself, multiple times, blatantly, and then just refusing to answer questions under oath, at which point Christiana was allowed to leave the stand, not charged with perjury or contempt of court, off to possibly attempt more blackmail and entrapment of other Free State Project individuals or who knows? Drawing attention to these behaviors and terrible tactics makes them much less likely to succeed, because this is not the first time the FBI has chosen a Free Stater as political target, so it may not be the last. Exposure is effective, sadly at great cost and personal sacrifice for Rich.

To help Rich make it through this unknown, I keep sending positive energy to whatever outcomes the universe is sending us, believing all the while that there are more surprise endings in this story! We have watched this go from threats of an 81 year sentence, saying that no plea bargains would be offered if Rich refused to wear a wire, that he would go to jail for the rest of his life. Then he was offered a plea bargain of serving one year in the county jail rather than the state prison, followed by the last plea offered the day before Rich’s trial began, which was to just plead guilty to the felonies and not serve any time in jail. To accept any of these pleas would have been caving in on his principles, and Rich Paul is a man who stands for his principles all the way. In making his stand, Rich put many agents of the state on the stand, who were in the process exposed as excessive and expensive enforcers of laws that will not be on the books for much longer. After having to testify against Rich, the Cooperating Human Source Richard “Rat” Dupont, Jr. will likely not be able to continue his brief career as a Rat in the Keene area due to being exposed.

Good jurors nullify bad laws, bad jurors follow biased judges, uneducated jurors convict innocent neighbors, ignorant jurors cage peaceful peers, educated jurors acquit victimless charges, coerced jurors vote unanimous guilty, competent jurors comprehend hung verdicts, juries of conscience trump juries of executioners. . . “Forgive them for they know not what they do.” It’s true, it has been said, and immediately after the word “GUILTY” was announced five times by Rich Paul’s jury, Rich’s reaction to them was “I forgive you.” As the jury members walked to their cars to drive off with their freedom, I said to them, “I will say the same thing that Rich Paul said, I forgive all of you, and I hope you find it in yourselves someday for not letting a peaceful man go free.” Check out the video.

So was it a cruel and unusual twist of dark sarcasm from the universe that Rich’s trial happened the week of 4-20, and that his 4-20 was not spent at the Statehouse rallying with a hundred of his peace-loving friends, but instead was spent alone in a solitary cell with no phone calls or visits? Since I couldn’t make much sensimilla out of it, I had to sing some songs about it. . .

Jurors had to be given the chance to do the right thing, to acquit Rich, for just one out of twelve, or even twelve out of twelve, to say “Not Guilty.” If that had happened, a unanimous Not Guilty verdict or a Hung Jury verdict, then Rich Paul would be out of that cage right now, not a convicted felon, but a Freeman on the land. If each juror had a conscience of their own, they would each act like a true peer, and set their peers free from the court with the same rights that all peers have, to leave the country and travel freely, the right to vote, and the right to keep and bear firearms. These rights, which were granted by birth on this Earth, not by any Bill of Rights or words on paper, can be temporarily taken away by tyrannical governments, and ignorant jurors. Rich chose to give his jurors the chance to stand with him against tyranny, the chance to say that the law is wrong and to love their neighbor more than they love their laws. Let it be known that the true reasons for Rich refusing the pleas were to get a fair trial by jury, to face his accusers and expose the undercover agents of the state, to put forth the jury nullification defense, and to be cleared of all felonies protecting his right to keep and bear firearms. These rights are of such great importance to Rich that he would face 81 years fearlessly, at great personal risk and sacrifice, for which I greatly admire his mighty stand, and stand by his side every step of the way. Word even has it that Rich’s righteous stand is right now inspiring new movers in the Free State Project to move to NH now and be a part of this history in motion!

I can see the way the legendary tale will be told to future Shire generations to come, as Rich Paul’s crusade to keep his piece by peace becomes known as the second shot maybe not heard ’round the world, but sure heard around the keepers of the rounds, as they remember the tale of the first shot not heard, back during the storming of Fort William and Mary on New Castle island in Portsmouth NH. It was December 13, 1774 when Paul Revere made a less famous but crucial ride to let the locals know that the British were coming, this time not yet to Lexington Green but to the fort. So in response to the crisis, the locals stormed the fort on the nights of December 14th and 15th of 1774, and legend has it that these raids were not of mortal combat since amazingly these locals brought no gunfire or deaths on these British fort guards, and brought out their cannons and kegs of powder to use in their own defense against the British throughout the Revolution! What a tale! So in keeping their pieces by peace, they fired a shot not heard ’round the world, and Rich is now peacefully firing this shot. . .

When Rich gets his appeal, another jury of his peers will be chosen. Between now and then, many outcomes are possible! Since the verdict on April 18th, there have been post-trial motions filed, including a Motion to Reconsider Bail and a Motion to Reconsider Confinement Prior to Sentencing. The Cheshire County Superior Court has already responded to these motions, and much to our disappointment and sadness, the Court denied both motions, finding in the light most favorable to the state, of course. The state really has not proven that Rich is a flight risk, in order to justify his confinement, and deny him any kind of bail or bond. He was free prior to this trial for eleven months since his arrest last May, so there was plenty of time to take flight, and Rich is clearly not a flight risk. He faced his accusers, he faced his jurors, and now he is facing 81 years, fearlessly. It should not be within the discretion of a biased judge to say someone is a flight risk merely because they have been convicted of felonies, since there are clearly many convicted felons running around free. Bernard von Nothaus is one such person, convicted of so-called felony counterfeiting in March of 2011, and over two years later remains free to prepare his appeal while waiting for sentencing.

There has been another post-trial motion filed, called JNOV for Judgment Notwithstanding Verdict, which is very similar to a Motion to Set Aside Verdict, and we are still waiting for the court’s response on this. In this case, there is a strong chance that the “Guilty” verdict on one of the five charges will be reversed, which would dramatically reduce the number of those 81 years Rich is facing. The “Purported Sale of LSD” verdict is being challenged because the three elements of the indictment were definitely not proven beyond a reasonable doubt, no doubt about it. Anyone of reasonable mind listening to all of the facts, evidence, and law presented would have to come to a different conclusion, of “Not Guilty.” This leads to my conclusion that because this one charge was included in this trial with the four other charges, some of the jurors may have convicted Rich based on perception of mixed drug charges together, even though they heard no purporting of “LSD” spoken by Rich at all, and even though they heard clear proof that the substance was not even illegal.

A Motion to Sever Charges was discussed prior to trial, which would have made two separate trials, but was not a realistic option. Other attempts were made with Motions to Dismiss Charge filed the day before the trial and during the trial, after the state rested. Judge Kissinger denied those motions, finding in the light most favorable to the state, of course. He even accepted the testimony of the Rat (Richard Dupont Jr.) as that of an expert, as if the word of a three-time heroin dealer snitch is of any value when he told the jury that “acid” is always “LSD” in street slang. At least the two Lab Analysts who testified were asked to state their training and credentials to be accepted as experts. Most importantly, it was clearly stated that the 25mm size piece of paper analyzed by the lab was proven to be not LSD, but actually 2C-I, described as a research chemical known to produce hallucinations. At this moment in the analyst’s testimony there was an objection by the Defense, which was sustained by the Judge, who then ordered the statement stricken from the record. Kissinger also had another chance to dismiss the “Purported” charge in March during pretrial, after both lab analysts had appeared for depositions, and the testimony clearly states that the 2C-I is not outlawed by any Controlled Drug Statute, but he chose to proceed with the charge, in the light most favorable to the State, of course. Now this is not the first time the State has accused a friend of “purporting” the sale of something, which was in fact a lie intended to harm this friend. In that case, this friend ended up taking a plea instead of facing over 20 years, so we will never know how a jury might have perceived that false charge when presented mixed with a Marijuana charge also. In Rich’s case, he did not take any plea, facing 81 years, giving his jury the chance to see and hear the truth presented to them, and find him “Not Guilty” on at least the “Purported” charge. However, the Marijuana and “LSD” on trial together caused such prejudice that irreparable damage was done that was not curable by jury instructions, even if they had been proper, legitimate, and unbiased instructions, and thus Rich’s jury reached a unanimous verdict of “Guilty” on a crime not even committed. This will all change upon appeal with a new jury and a new trial.

When Rich’s appeal happens, it will be based on the grounds of the evidence issues in combination with the improper jury instructions by John C. Kissinger, who really should remove “Justice” and “Honorable” from his titles since he demonstrates neither. In fact, in the event of this appeal, it may even come to a Motion to Change Venue to leave behind the bias inherent in the Cheshire County Court system, especially since Rich has gained such local fame as the highly prominent founder of the 420 Foundation. We may never know if Kissinger or any of the jurors acted on a preconceived perception, so changing venues to a different court may be helpful to the overall outcome. We do know, however, that Kissinger should have studied his case law more thoroughly as he clearly neglected to follow suit from the case of State v. Aubert. Ian Freeman referred to this case in an earlier post on jury nullification, saying “the New Hampshire Supreme Court announced that if the defense puts forth evidence to support a theory of defense, the trial court must issue an instruction concerning that theory. Thus, because the law grants defendants the right to present a nullification defense, it follows that courts may be bound to instruct the jury as to the law of nullification.”  As far as getting the appeal in order to remedy the improper jury instructions, Rich is being assisted by the Fully Informed Jury Association, who have graciously offered to file an amicus brief on Rich’s behalf to address this serious 6th amendment violation Rich’s right to a fair trial. Thank you to Kirsten Tynan for interviewing Rich right before his trial to get his heroic story out to the world, so please visit, and read the interview here.

Thank you also goes out to for the wonderful article about Rich’s story posted by Bob Constantine, who himself has quite a tale of jury nullification success that has inspired many. Check it out at

In addition to the amicus brief as a very positive show of support for Rich, there is the potential for some individuals to testify at the sentencing hearing, to support Rich as character witnesses and in doing so strengthen his chances of being released on some terms at his sentencing hearing. This would a miracle that we are all wishing for right now! Once we finally know when the hearing is actually scheduled there will be more announcements, and coordinating with anyone who will be preparing testimony. We would all be so relieved to see the state go from their plea offer of no time served to another offer of no time, and we just never know what the state will come back with, so Rich needs all the help he can get. On another positive note, we have to look into the potential assistance of testimony by Richard Van Wickler, who is the current Superintendent of the Cheshire County Department of Corrections, and who is a well-known member of L.E.A.P. (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition). Van Wickler has spoken with Rich before the trial, and there is the possibility that he may be able to speak on Rich’s behalf or to advocate for his release at the sentencing hearing. This would be an act so appreciated and so powerful in the message coming from the man who is in charge of the cage holding too many prisoners of victimless crimes, stating that this man, Rich Paul, deserves to be released from the cage to be free to work on his appeal. Thank you to Richard Van Wickler for his outstanding testimony at the Legislative Office Building in Concord on February 25, 2013, speaking in support of HB 492, relative to the legalization and regulation of marijuana. Here is the video of his testimony.

So at this moment in time, when time is ticking toward Rich’s appeal, the two most incredibly helpful and appreciated ways to support him are to send Lawyers, no Guns, and Money! Well seriously now, we have lawyers, Rich needs to win back his right to a gun, and needs plenty of money to do it! deserves much gratitude for serving as the means in between to keep mail and donations flowing for Rich’s Commissary Fund and his Legal Defense & Recovery Fund. Letters from Rich are coming soon! So please visit for the latest posts, and for any donations to Rich through paypal or bitcoin which are so greatly appreciated!

Letters to Rich can be sent to:

Rich Paul

c/o Cheshire County D.O.C.

825 Marlboro Road

Keene, NH 03431

Checks or money orders can be sent and made payable to:

Wendy French

75 Leverett St.

Keene, NH 03431

So these are really the two most important ways to help Rich, with mail or money, and since he was taken to jail on April 18th he has been gifted a generous and growing amount of Bitcoins=3.7, Paypal=$52.80, and a phone account to call out. Thank you universe! We are visualizing an amount of funds in the realm of $5000-$6000 to raise for Rich’s attorney to prepare this appeal all the way. We have experienced miracles in visualizing these funds when last week, Rich saw $800 gifted to him to hire an attorney, followed right away by another $800 gifted in an incredible matching of funds! So it is quite miraculous that Rich is already about a third of the way to his goal for an appeal that he can win! At this rate, Rich will definitely reach his goal and get by with a little help from his friends!

Once the appeal is filed, apparently Rich can seek an appeal bond, and get released at that time, so that is yet another positive outcome that may yet come! So many ways this story can go, we never know! One thing is for certain, it will be a beautiful day when Rich Paul is walking out into the fresh air once again letting his “Freeeeeeedom!” ring!


Update: Tuesday, May 7th, 2013

Ian posted to the following:


Some of Rich Paul’s supporters letting passerbys know of the ongoing injustice.

Sundays at 4pm, join us on 101 across from the jail in Keene for a rally to support Rich Paul, jury nullification, and the release of all peaceful prisoners. Bring your own signs, or you can use ours.

Rich Paul also called in to Sunday night’s live edition of “Free Talk Live”. You can listen to that here.


Update: Thursday, May 9th, 2013

Jay posted to the following:

From Rich Paul: “Letter from a New Hampshire Jail”

I have been in the Keene Spiritual Retreat for a week or so now. I have been pretty busy with business and legal issues since then, so it has taken me a while to collect my thoughts. Here they are, I hope they were worth the wait.

First I want to thank my supporters for all their help, whether emotional, spiritual, or economic. Many have helped, but I especially want to thank my girl Wendy, my parents, Ian, James, Bill and Gail, Joan, Carla, and Jay. You guys make this bearable. You rock!

Secondly, I want to address all those who participated in the trial. I want you to know that whatever your involvement, whether Judge or Jury or Bailiff or Prosecutor or Cop, that I forgive you. The only exception to this is Phil Christiana, of the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. He has shown himself to be malevolent. Richie ratted out a friend, but not out of evil… just out of weakness and cowardice. I understand the fear he felt, and though I don’t condone his actions, I cannot blame the weak for their weakness… I can only pity them.

As to Phil, the central perpetrator of this injustice, the best I can do is hope to save your soul. You tried to blackmail me into betraying and entrapping my innocent but politically active friends. This is an unforgivable offense, until you realize the magnitude of your crime. I hope that a flood of postcards will reach you at your office:

Phil Christiana
FBI Boston Division
Independence Place
15 Constitution Drive, 2nd Floor
Bedford, NH 03110
Phone: (603) 472-2224
Fax: (603) 472-9419

and remind you of the Commandment “Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor”. Hopefully a good mashup of your testimony with that of those who told the truth, like the DTF agents, will remind you of your perjury. If blackmail and perjury by law enforcement see to you to be a good way to convince Voluntaryists of the usefulness of government, please think again.

-Rich Paul


Update: Thursday, May 9th, 2013

Free Concord posted to the following:

What Is ‘Joint Terrorism’ the FBI Investigates?

FBI Bomb Technician Phil Christiana spent the day following the attack at the Boston Marathon at the trial of Rich Paul in Keene. He gave the least consistent testimony of any of the state’s actors, and even altered specific facts as his cross examination evolved. At first, it is alleged that the investigation into Rich had nothing to do with the Joint Terrorism Task Force that Christiana is employed by. It ends with Christiana admitting that he wanted Rich to cooperate with a JTTF investigation in exchange for the dismissal of charges against him.


Update: Friday, May 10th, 2013

Bradley Jardis posted to the following:

Governor Hassan & Executive Council: Free Rich Paul Immediately


Bradley Jardis

Rich Paul remains incarcerated for exercising his right to have a peaceful revolution against unjust laws.  ”Unjust laws” in my humble opinion are those laws that are unsupported by science, immoral, and completely unchangeable by democracy.

I find this completely unacceptable.

I (like everyone else) have the right to ignore RSA 311:7‘s oh-so-mysterious “commonly” reference (wink, wink) if it means peacefully practicing law in court to reform the government.  The law belongs to The People…  not a private monopoly organization beholden to the government and centered on control and profit.

Rich Paul is a good man who has been following the direction given him in Part I, Article 10 of the New Hampshire Constitution.  He has been doing it even though he has never sworn an oath to the document.

If I’m not mistaken… all of you all have.

I demand the NH Constitution be followed and Rich be released by 05/13/13.  If Rich does not walk free, I will be taking on his appeal.  Pardon him, commute his sentence, leave the back door unlocked, let a bird fly up to his window with a key…  it really doesn’t matter to me.

Let him go.


Update: Monday, May 13th, 2013

Jay posted to the following:

free-richpaul-political-prisoner-copblockRich Paul needs your help with his appeal

(transcribed from a letter Rich wrote from jail)

Hey, everybody!

First of all, I’d like to thank all of those who have written to me and/or donated towards my commissary fund. It is  you who keep me going through these dark days, and in reality make them less dark…

My spirits remain high, despite my setback, and I have hope, still, for my appeal! I have been responding to every letter I have received!

The stakes on my appeal are much higher than just what happens to me. The primary issue on appeal will be the anti-nullification jury instructions which the judge gave my jury. A successful appeal will set a precedent for all future attempts at Jury Nullification… which is much more important than where I spend my next couple of years! If you care about Jury Nullification, please donate to this cause! Only appeals courts create binding precedent!

I hope to raise $6,000.00, which I realize is a staggering sum, but which will hire the best appeals guy in New Hampshire, I am told. He will be our greatest hope for future nullification.

I am also considering a hunger strike. Please let me know what you think of this idea by mail.

In Liberty,

Rich Paul

You can donate to Rich’s Appeal Fund using Bitcoins, through GoFundMe, or by mail:

Bitcoins: 1EDcfhp6UJSNQV8sunnSXw4iFGLT1vEPmX


Mailing address:

Rich Paul Defense Fund
75 Leverett St.
Keene, NH  03431

P.S.: Publicity is vital to raising awareness of this case, and to successful fund raising as well. If you have access to any pro-legalization, pro-nullification, or Libertarian celebrities, please, please, please bring my case to their attention. The attempt by the FBI to infiltrate the Liberty Movement with Agents Provocateurs is unsettling at best. This unconstitutional move against the Liberty Movement MUST NOT STAND! Remember that publicity for me is publicity for the FSP!

P.P.S.: Thanks to all who have protested outside the jail! My fellow prisoners were intrigued and the climate warmed toward me as a result! I hope that protests will continue through my stay! I love you guys, and appreciate all you have done for me and the cause!

P.P.P.S.: If you are an attorney interested in the case, but need to wait for a request to contract me, please consider this an invitation!


Update: Tuesday, May 14th, 2013


Rich Paul and Wendy French

Wendy French posted to the following:

The question we have all been asking has been answered. When is Rich Paul’s sentencing event?

Date: Friday, June 7th, 2013
Time: 1:30pm
Location: Cheshire County Superior Court, Keene, NH

All it took to answer this question was one person who loves Rich to walk into the court and ask, and to send him this much needed message. As of this moment, Rich’s counsel has not informed him that the sentencing event is on the court calendar, and has not returned his last phone calls to her. Yes she is busy in another trial, State v. Next Victim, but a 10-minute phone call to Rich would be appreciated.

Well, the message has been sent, and just knowing when the sentencing event is happening makes a major difference in the mind and spirit of someone incarcerated indefinitely. Without knowing how this event will go, at least we now know Rich can begin his appeal by July 6th, 2013, if he chooses to go all the way in that direction. There is a great deal of comfort walking in to this sentencing event knowing that come what may, Rich has the will and the way to follow this through.

Will Rich get 81 years? Will they send him to Concord or Berlin? Will Rich get a year or less in Cheshire County? Will Rich get a suspended sentence? Will Rich get probation, work release, or rehab? Or all of the above? Will the prosecutor stick close to his pre-trial plea offer of “no jail time”? Or will Webb offer a post-trial punishment to Rich just for going to trial? And with Kissinger on the bench, what can we expect from the man who says to jurors, “You must follow the law as I have explained it!” It’s a mystery making history. . .

Prepare for the worst, but wish for the best, and let’s do be careful what we wish for. I am sending love to the moment in time, Friday June 7th at 1:30pm, when Rich Paul appears to hear his sentence. I wish that sentence would be, “You’re not the droid we’re looking for. You’re free to go.”


Update: Tuesday, June 4th, 2013

Rich Paul Sentencing event on Facebook, created by Ian Freeman:



Update: Tuesday, June 7th, 2013


Update: Tuesday, June 7th, 2013

  • d0nj3nko

    To all…

    This is obviously disgusting but a tactic used by these scum bags quite regularly.

    Just a note to all, the trolls on here and other site’s are believed to get paid by others attacking them for their comments. I do not know if this is true but either way I would like to suggest that everyone just ignore their comments, they look and hope for negative reactions to what they say. It is better for all to just ignore the scum that seem to justify all police abuse.

    God bless us all.

  • d0nj3nko

    Just heard the phone conversation, he sounds like such a dishonest lying piece of ****! They are complete liars and lack transparency obviously… What have they to hide??? Total deception, and good work exposing it. God bless us all.

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  • Shawn

    Hard to feel sorry for a drug dealer. I have serious problems with with cops’ ease at investigating political groups, and if all that is true then the officer certainly is lying scrum.

    But no one who sells drugs has any claim to integrity. You are preying upon chemical addiction, and effectively encouraged they guy who rummaged through my car for loose change. All drug dealers are scrum.

  • Common Sense

    Just a heroin user looking to save his own ass.

    Makes one wonder just what happens inside the KAC – which is really just some doper’s house.

    Remember, he didn’t have to wear a wire. He chose too. Free will.

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  • Mr. Bawkbagawk

    Hey Shawn? read the article again and read a book. weed isnt addictive you fucking sheep.

  • shawn


    Last i heard, most pot was laced. Doesnt matter. Drugs are for losers, and those who sell it are the trash of the earth. I but heads with t a lot, but not over this. Drugs are good for nothing but destroying lives, including those lives of people related to drug users.

    You want to feel sorry for this low life piece of shit, be my guest. Personally, i’d execute all drug dealers as thanks for all the harm they cause.

    Oh, sheep. Thats a laugh, since i have no problem butting heads with you or common.

  • slappy

    That loser Rich was growing and selling marijuana to anyone who asked. He more than likely sold drugs to your children. He along with that idiot Weinhaus can sit in jail and rot. If the DA is looking at 81 years then you know he had victims. The sad thing is these idiot activists don’t have children. I guess thank God for small miracles. I wonder how happy they would be if someone sold their children drugs. Rich is going to lose in a big big way!!

  • shawn


    At 81 years, i doubt even the big colubian guys would get that. Certainly a lot for simple pot.

  • t.

    looks like a neighborhood scurge is off the street. Good work boys.

  • loldisinfoagents

    “Most pot was laced”? Your sources are lying to you; Some pot is laced but that’s thanks to this ever failing “war on drugs”. We don’t allow the upstanding in society to handle this sort of business, keeping it illegal just means the more criminal elements of society get monopoly control. This is why the drug war has been getting bigger and bigger for at least 30 years with no end in sight. Cannabis has countless uses but some of our most recent studies show it to be a cancer curing miracle plant, far more effective than pharmaceuticals without the nausea and overdose. The lifetime sentences and police enforcement of non-violent crimes is what ruins lives; No one has ever died from cannabis ingestion and it has been shown to be less addictive than everyday coffee! Where do you think we would be if we tried to criminalize everyone for smoking cigarettes? (to save them from the scourges of addiction and withdrawal)

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  • Shawn


    The medical uses argument is a BS claim. While I won’t challenge that there are medical uses, the very vast majority of pot use is recreational.
    Drug dealers have no conscience. Most will not think twice about selling to a kid. There is no such thing as an ethical drug dealer. For them, it is about the money. They don’t care if someone’s child goes hungry because a druggy can’t deny himself his fix. They don’t care if the drug messes up their mind and they beat their family. They just want the money.

    Look, you want to defend drug use and sale, be my guest. I have dealings with a ministry that deals with a lot of dependency issues, and I’ve see the hurt drugs cause. Not just to the user, but to their children and others. Nothing good comes from drug use.
    I challenge some of the crap cops do in the war on drugs, but I will never abide drugs. Not when I know the harm they cause to people who never had a choice.
    Making drugs legal will not change that. Look at all the damage alcohol causes. Alcohol is legal and is destroying countless lives.

    Whatever issue or emotional pain you are dealing with that needs drugs to help you forget, you are far better off facing the issue than burying it in a cloud of smoke.

    By the way, 81 years suggests that there is something more to this. No way anyone would get that over pot.

  • Buford T. Justice

    More begging on the ‘net for some “activist” (that’s the new street slang for “drug dealer.”) Hell, selling drugs to kids and begging on the internet sure beats getting your worthless ass out of bed in the morning and going to work like anybody with a single shred of personal pride does.

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  • jon

    hey shawn, let’s make liquor illegal, because it’s more addictive and the ratio of active/lethal dosage is higher than most drugs, less heroin and meth. i bet you talk to people who aren’t there (god). i also bet you haven’t met any pot dealer, like ever.

    to see why criminalizing drugs makes the situation worse judging by your own scientifically informed (**personal anecdotes**) values, read any freshman level econ text book. to couch my argument in another fallacious inference (so you can understand), look what happened when we made alcohol illegal…and other drugs for that matter.

    please don’t respond until you read that textbook and wiki “non causa pro causa,” “anecdotal evidence,” and “douche bage.”

  • t.

    Let’s hear it for Suwnee SWAT.

  • Shawn


    “i bet you talk to people who aren’t there (god).”
    I do quite regularly, thank you. And listening to His teachings, I never fell into the trap of drugs, alcohol, or any of that trash. My life is clean, and I don’t get into trouble. I have good friends and stability. I think I’ll keep listening to Him.
    Beats listening to Jim Beam tell me I can take on the bouncer.

    I would happily see alcohol as illegal. Nothing good comes from it, and a lot of bad does. I have personal experience of alcohol’s affects in my own family. Because of its ease of availability, it does enormous damage. We made it legal and it kills tons of people in auto crashes alone. And that doesn’t include the family consequences and other affects. Like any drug, it removes the ability to make sound judgements.
    Name one redeeming quality to alcohol consumption.

    I’m well aware that making something illegal invites a criminal element. I’m also aware that making it legal doesn’t end the problems a substance creates.

    “i also bet you haven’t met any pot dealer, like ever.”
    I’m not one to exactly seek the company of drug dealers, thank you very much. But I have known people who used pot. Pot is so good for the brain, one wanted to call the cops because the neighbor’s son stole his stash. I think it is safe to say pot doesn’t make you smarter.

    I do know one person who was a dealer and user, and he despises what he was. Now he teaches Celebrate Recovery in prison. He is now one of the most noble and admirable men I could ever hope to meet, but he has no delusions as to what he did. By the way, he listens and talks to God too. Now instead of trouble, he has a very stable and good life too. Again, God’s way is best.
    I will take his advise and wisdom regarding drugs over yours any day.

    You can believe in the noble dealer all you want, but it is a myth. There are no Robin Hood drug dealers. They know exactly what kind of damage their ‘product’ causes and don’t care, as long as they get paid.

  • jon

    @jesusfreak aka shawn the argument by assertion

    “My life is clean, and I don’t get into trouble. I have good friends and stability. I think I’ll keep listening to Him.
    Beats listening to Jim Beam tell me I can take on the bouncer”- false dichotomy.

    “I would happily see alcohol as illegal. Nothing good comes from it, and a lot of bad does….I’m well aware that making something illegal invites a criminal element.” – contradicted yourself

    “I’m not one to exactly seek the company of drug dealers, thank you very much. But I have known people who used pot. Pot is so good for the brain, one wanted to call the cops because the neighbor’s son stole his stash. I think it is safe to say pot doesn’t make you smarter.” -this argument is a combination of anecdotal evidence, and a non causa pro causa implication (that people do foolish things because a guy you know did something foolish and does pot). also, if you’re someone who doesn’t think drugs are inherently evil, and values them (in an economic sense), then being upset that they were stolen doesn’t strike me as very foolish.

    “Again, God’s way is best.
    I will take his advise and wisdom regarding drugs over yours any day.”- btw, i’m a minister’s son, please tell me where in New Testament, Jesus speaks out against drugs, especially the kinds that didn’t exist at that time. don’t go with the “body as a temple” argument, it is obviously a circular argument.

    please read up on logic (especially fallacious/invalid arguments, this knowledge does not contradict the bible) and econ 101. there are other books written in non-dead languages (with much greater certainty in regards to their authenticity/authorship)in the last 2000 years, that are worth reading, and contain truth.

    also, in ministry, the people who you naturally end up meeting who do drugs are usually people who abused them and are thus seeking help. this is what is known as selection bias in science. i.e. of course you’ve only met effed up drug users, normal drug users don’t go to church, because they don’t have problems and lead successful lives. you probably know many of them without realizing it. if i knew you personally, and did drugs, i would never tell you, because i knew you’d be a douche about it and get all jesusy. jesus christ.

  • The Greene’s

    Damian and I wish you the BEST of luck! These people talking crap on her are morons! Rich is a great guy and Marijuana is NOT a drug it is a PLANT! He is NOT a drug dealer! =)Why don’t you all go bitch about something else, somewhere else, because I’m pretty sure that’s what the majority of you spend your lives doing! Again Rich, good luck and we love ya man!

    Kerri and Damian Greene

  • Shawn


    “tell me where in New Testament, Jesus speaks out against drugs, especially the kinds that didn’t exist at that time”

    Um, “Be sober minded,” “Do not be drunk with wine,” those were right off the top of my head. Then we can get into the Prodigal son. If you are truly a minister’s son, then I think you know the God of the Bible would never condone drugs. It isn’t in His character.

    Spend your life faded. I can tell you the truths of clean living, and the consequences of drugs. But only you can decide to live right.
    People use drugs to escape. If there is nothing wrong with your life, why escape it? Why loose yourself in a chemical that affects your mind?
    Believe in God or not, not even a gun can make you or stop you. But it seems to me that facing whatever problem sent you to drugs is the path to dealing with it.
    I can’t think of any train of logic that would suggest getting wasted will lead to a quality life.

    Make your choice.

  • http://jon Laurenann

    Thank you Jon, that was brilliant. I think that ended the argument. Not to analyze Shawn, but it was pretty obvious early on that his views developed d/t a “personal experience” and he blames the substance abuse, because that is less painful than the alternative. That is, without exception, the same story behind every militant anti-drug crusader.

  • jon

    shawn you have no tact, do you? see those books on logic and econ. when jesus brought wine to those disciple’s party…my father would be ashamed of you. unthinking auto-matron christians are the worst. glad they are dying out.

  • Common Sense

    Good Job Suwnee, of course they will be chastised for not trying to ‘hug it out’ with an armed hostage taker.

  • ForgetLiveFreeJustDie

    All these Porcupines are idiots to relocate to redneck Cow Hampshire in the delusional belief that it is some sort of almost-libertarian paradise.

    It is full of psychotic fascists but who aren’t super-anti-abortion – the only thing distinguishing them from “Deliverance” extras.

    Nevada, Alaska, Colorado even – maybe. New Hampshire??? Jokes on you!!

  • Radical Dude

    Put in discovery request: Is there evidence of corpus delicti? If so, what evidence is there of corpus delicti? Specifically, is there evidence of an injury? Is there an allegation of injury If so, what evidence is there of an injury?

  • Cleanandsober

    We should assess the legality/morality of using/selling drugs as we view consensual sex. It would be immoral to trick, coerce, or drug someone into having sex with me. But, what two consenting adults do in private with no harm to others should be only their business, even if others don’t approve of their behavior. What continues to amaze me is that people like Shawn can’t see that TPTB will soon be coming for the Bible on his night stand and institutionalizing him as a terrorist who “talks to people who aren’t there”. If anyone’s rights may be violated then NONE of us are safe. I fear that jury nullification will be closely guarded against in this case during voir dire, and may possibly bring about a contempt charge if exercised. To get justice in this Communist stronghold, you must either have enough money to purchase it, be a member of (or toady for)the political class, or just get lucky as hell.

  • Libertymike

    Shawn, of course, is hardly following the message of Christ. There is no gospel support for the proposition that one who would be like Christ should pledge allegiance to Caesar and / or prostrate oneself for Caesar.

    No drug is as poisonous as worship of Caesar.

  • DaleC

    LibertyMike – while I probably agree with you on these issues, regarding Christ’s directions to his followers on government authority “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and, unto God, that which is God’s.” Meaning follow the the law of man until it conflicts with mine.

  • Shawn

    @ the faded

    Look guys, you want to get faded, get faded. Waste your lives and hurt your families. That is what drugs do.
    I don’t care much about users until they start harming their kids, or having them. But drug dealers are parasites living off of addictions and could care nothing about you, the harm caused you, or your loved ones.

    I’m not here to convince you of God. I’m just simply telling you the truth of clean living verses living in a cloud of smoke. Clean living has nothing to do with God, other than of course that is what He teaches. Lots of people without God choose clean lives.
    The logic here isn’t about God, but about what are good choices for a future, and what choices will destroy your future. Drug use time and again destroys lives and futures.

    “There is no gospel support for the proposition that one who would be like Christ should pledge allegiance to Caesar and / or prostrate oneself for Caesar.”

    “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s. Render unto God, the things that are God’s”
    Translation, obey the law unless it forces you to go against God. Lots of scripture states that laws should be obeyed, and authorities recognized. That doesn’t mean you just have to bend over and take it, but it does mean you aren’t suddenly free of any authority over you.
    Jesus was no anti-authoritarian. They tried to trap Him into speaking against Caesar and even lied about Him doing so.

    Being against drugs and all that goes with it is hardly worshiping Caesar. And there is a such thing as worshiping drugs.

    Oh, and I’m fully aware people are going for my bible. But if you look farther up, the God talk didn’t even start until Jon made a God crack. I just let him have his fun because I’m not ashamed of my belief.

  • jon


    Have you read what anecdotal evidence means? You keep saying that all drug dealers are bad evidenced by the fact that you met one who’s bad. That is a fallacious inference, meaning that your argument is invalid and you conclusion is unsound. The fact that you keep asserting the same argument after objections were made without specifically adressing them makes you guilty of an argument by assertion. And makes you look like an imbecile. I guarantee you your smarter christian peers are embarassed by you.

    I apologize for attacking religion. But, I find your lack of education appalling. If this is the academic rigor you bring to the table in your job, You should not be in the ministry. You should not be teaching anyone. You’ve met one bad drug dealer. Get over it. Until you come up with a valid argument or some sort of empirical data demonstrating the moral depravity of all drug dealers, I would stop posting on this thread. You are bringing the lowest common denominator down and its really annoying.

    Jon aka guy who leads fulfilling life despite the fact that all drugs destroy lives period.

  • shawn


    Drug dealers are bad because they deal drugs. Period. Ther can be no such thing as a good drug dealer. They make their living selling things that are poison to people so addicted that they would let their children go hungry in order to smoke. Insult me for telling the truth all you want. I’m just not impressed by the opinion of a person who must dull his mind and chooses to damage his brain.

    My ‘smarter’ christian friends will say the same.

  • jon

    dear shawn – you have just made another fallacious argument, this time of the circular variety. Us rational folk aren’t trying to insult you, we’re trying to help you make a coherent, valid argument with a sound conclusion. you have yet to do the former, thus preventing you from attaining the latter.

    “Drug dealers are bad because they deal drugs. Period. Ther can be no such thing as a good drug dealer. ” – a is true because b is true. b is true because a is true, and we know a is true because b is true, which we know because a is true evidenced by the fact that b is true…ad infinitum.

    and also, just because you have witnessed an instance where a drug dealer behaved unethically, doesn’t mean that all drug dealers behave unethically. you do get that, right?

    i’m sorry dude, but by disingenuously refusing to attempt a valid argument, you are turning people off from Christianity, because you claim to represent them and act (try to more like it) as an authority on their religion. Please stop. Please tell me you don’t think this is a helpful evangelism tool.

  • Camille Porsche

    I hope there are some sensible jurors on his case. He doesn’t deserve a day in a cage. Alcohol and Tobacco kill 100,000++ people every year. There has never been a death caused by cannabis ever. Ever. The US mercenaries guard poppy fields in Afghanistan. We need to come together and learn how to leave each other alone. Good luck!

  • t.

    Jon: Not to help @Shawn, but drug dealers are bad because they prey upon the weak and theweak minded (maybe like you, i don’t know). The users (which I’m sure you will defend asyou aand the ones you know are all great, productive citizens) then prey upon others. Mine is very real world experience. EVERY person that we arrest breaking into cars and houses have extensive drug histories. Every one. They are preying on others to feed their habits. Nearly every person we arrest for drugs…has a criminal record of B&He’s or thefts/shoplifting. Preying on others.

  • jon

    @t. aka mouth-breather:
    nice try. you and shawn must have flunked out of the same highschool.

    sampling bias:

    i realize that stats is probably something that wasn’t covered in your GED, but try to read that wiki and imagine how it applies to your “argument.”

  • Shawn


    Jon will have to have his life destroyed before he gets it. It is an unfortunate constant that few of us will ever fix what is wrong until the price gets too high. He is so desperate to defend drug use, that he will pretend the harm doesn’t exist.

    A cop and a cop-hater like me both agree on the ‘value’ of drugs. When me and T agree on something, it must be obviously correct. Me and T getting along is a about as common as a cop passing up a chance to shoot a puppy.

    As I’ve said, I have connections to a ministry that deals with drug, alcohol, and other abuses. I’ve talked with these people and hear heartbreaking stories. And when you see and hear what I’ve heard, only a moron would go near alcohol or drugs. The damage done is real. Marriages and families destroyed. Children are hurt and denied their parent’s positive participation in their lives. The users’ lives destroyed.
    You may not feel it is harming you, but do you have a family? Children? What is it doing to them?
    Even if you “don’t have a problem”, your experience is not the only drug experience. This nation is full of rehab groups and institutions for a reason. Millions of people are fighting one addiction or another, mostly drugs and alcohol.

    I have a lot of empathy for people who are addicts. I know a number of them. And they are mostly good people, not a reference to their abuse flaw. We all have flaws.

    And knowing these people, I have an absolute hatred for the people who would happily prey upon them and their addiction. I’d happily give the smallest pot dealer the death penalty.

    NOT one user has ever reported a dealer refusing to sell to them because he thought they had a drug problem. Instead, they report that the dealer took advantage of their addiction even to get sex for drugs. I have seen women cry after having made such a deal.
    Today I had told my friend who used to sell drugs about your Robinhood view of drug dealers. He laughed. He flat said your dealer doesn’t care about you.

  • jon

    Shawn – please see me responses above on logic and argumentation.

  • Radical Dude

    So, what evidence do you have that this specific instance of selling “drugs” caused someone to be injured? And what was the injury, and what is your evidence of the injury? Who is the specific injured party, what is their name and how were they injured?

  • loldisinfoagents

    Cannabis is a medicine which does not injure the user; Unlike Tylenol, Asprin, DXM or any of the other thousands of sanctioned “medicines”. Most people use cannabis recreationally because that is the easiest way to immediately know how much one has ingested. Eating cannabis requires cooking it (decarboxylation) and takes an hour or so after ingestion to start working; Cannabis oil is much more difficult to find because it’s takes much more material to produce though it can simply be rubbed topically to cure various kinds of cancer. Recreational use is the most popular simply because it’s the easiest form of ingesting the small amounts that wont count as felony offenses.
    Drug dealers are humans with mothers and fathers just like us; I’m not going to make broad assertions but I will say that the majority of them are only interested in making a profit and that’s only possible in a market where we keep cannabis illegal. Mass produced items in a regulated (legalized) market drive prices down, and a drug dealer will never be able to compete with a cheap market. I’ve personally dealt with a drug dealer who only wanted to make money yet 1. Never stole anything from me with plenty of chances to do so 2. Never harmed me or threatened to harm me 3. Never talked/sold to anyone he didn’t know/meet through a friend he already trusts; Which never included children.
    The underground world of drugs is no place for kids but you’re quite misleading to dehumanize our brothers and sisters under God, for breaking human laws.

    Violence is already a crime, drug laws do *nothing* to diminish this violence.

    What exactly do you mean by “drugs” exactly? The first substances that ring in my mind are Heroin, Cocaine, Methamphetamine, and PCP; All VERY dangerous substances that lead to severe withdrawals and crippling addictions; No one ever s*cked d*ck in an alley to support their cannabis use though. Neither has cannabis lead to an increase in violence or theft.

    Making drugs legal only faces the fact that choosing violent oppression and life long jail sentences DOES NOT WORK; Never has and never will, We need care, compassion, and understanding.
    Alcohol prohibition NEVER WORKED, and only lead to the creation of gangs with the likes of Al Capone who spread mass violence just to make profit on an illegal substance. I’m 22 years old and never cared for a drop of alcohol, I completely agree about the harm it causes but I recognize that it is a safer substance if we keep it in a legalized and *regulated* market with age requirements and licenses rather than handing the whole industry to bootleggers and cartels.

    Drugs are misused, self medication is one of the most popular ways to mask unresolved issues in ones life but have you considered what medications are most popular? Video games, alcohol, and pills are all tools for distracting away from life issues; Across the board these things should be dealt with rather than using cannabis use as a guise and an online insult to people you don’t agree with.

    The guy explains having done several deals adding up to a *pound* of cannabis as well as another substance called 2ci; Federal laws are HARD, that’ll teach them soulless drug dealers eh?

  • t.

    Jon: My statement contained no statistical bias. Follow your own link and look at the description about the high school kids and drug use. Wiki says that it would be biased to look at high schoolers and not to included drop outs and homes hooked kids. That’s not right. Drop outs and home schooled kids aren’t “high schoolers”. They may be the same age…but they aren’t the same group.
    In my comment I talked of never having arrested anyone for B&E that didn’t have a drug history. That’s not saying that every drug user commits B&E’s. But fr the info given based on real world first hand experience….a logical inference can certainly be made that in the overwhelming amount of the incidents, that a drug user committed the B&E. it’s not bias, it’s a logical inference.
    And it’s not too hard to understand why (its the same reason the legalization arguement fails). “Headies” in my area run $400-$500 an ounce. Not many middle school, high school or college kids can afford that for very long. So how do they pay? The swipe stuff. The 2 go hand in hand. The same goes for prescription meds and other illegal drugs. Marijuana is just the most often seen. Tons and tons of real world victims.

  • t.

    Agents: If pot were legal everywhere today…that doesn’t stop the cost issue. People sti will have to fund their habit. Alcohol is now legal (most places) but that doesn’t mean it’s cheap.

  • jon


    This is why you’re a cop and don’t hold a thinking man’s job. Did you randomly sample drug users or are u speaking of anecotes obtained while on duty? If the latter, then your sample is bias. how many drug users and dealers do you see who aren’t otherwise breaking the law? None, because you, as a cop, are likely to only meet violent users, biasing your sample. Please don’t argue with that. You are wrong.

    Also logic implies deduction not inferential reasoning. That would be empiricism.

    Keep your day job. Mouht breather.


  • DaleC

    t. – Alcohol is amazingly cheap and is cheaper than it was during Prohibition. Good alcohol is not cheap, but, if you so choose, you can get hammered for less than $ 10.

    What rationale do you have that commercially produced pot would not be enormously cheaper once the tobacco producers got into the game?

  • loldisinfoagents

    If pot were legal everywhere today it could be grown in any backyard; Or essentially anywhere that weeds grow. How could this sudden influx of goods not drive down prices? Basically all one would need is sunshine, water, and patience.

  • t.

    Jon: I don’t know how to make it any simpler for you to understand. I’m not talking about the drug users. I’m talking about the people breaking into cars, trucks and houses. Each of them….extensive drug histories. The drug users frequently had / have extensive criminal backgrounds as well. Get it there super smart guy? Guess maybe you missed that day of college. I didn’t

    Dale: Profit motive

    Agents: If all they want is ditch weed

  • loldisinfoagents

    The quality of a plant doesn’t matter if you’re mass producing it. Roughly 10,000 plants can grow on an acre of land @ 72 in. (6 ft) spacing per row. Just one pound of material can be processed into ~55 grams of high grade cancer fighting oil. The exact process and all sufficient information is provided by a man named Rick Simpson with his business called “Phoenix Tears”; Basically all it requires is a container of Naptha and a rice cooker (outdoors of course).

  • jon

    Free education:
    so is sampling only people who have both non-drug criminal records and drug histories a random sample? no it’s not. because your select only people with priors to begin with. you are systematically nullifying all people who have drug histories but no other types of prior criminal record from your sample. it’s called selection bias, because you’re not selecting your sample at random. you are essentially making it impossible for yourself to observe drug users with no criminal record by the very nature of your sampling method. whether they exist or not, it’s impossible for your method to include them in your sample.

    also, even if you find that all people with non drug related criminal records also have drug histories, you only have correlation, not causality. concluding that either drug use causes them to commit crimes or that committing crimes causes them to do drugs is a cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. more book reading for you:

    Fail: you’re hoisting yourself with your own petard.

    also, tons of weed grows outside of varying quality.

    finally profit motive making weed expensive is also a dumb argument. why doesn’t profit motive make alcohol just as expensive? i.e. profit motive alone can’t explain relative price differences on the market.

    citizen jon

  • The Greene’s

    <—- both "drug users" both crystal clean records… not even speeding tickets ;)

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  • certain

    Some of the most criminal motherfuckers out there are cops. I suppose every one of them is a drug abuser too, huh mall-cop?

  • t.

    Jon: its not a “sample”. Now if you want to expand on what I’ve told you….then that would make my information a representative sample of some kind.
    I guess I’ll apologize to you that the factual information alarms you so, as it clearly appears to .But your desire to shift the conversation is just that…a shift to avoid facts.
    Like I pointed out about your linked wiki article. I again point you to the flawed info about the high school kids. You need to look at the targeted group. Where that example is flawed in its reasoning…what I presented…isn’t. Some of it is the word games you want to play, and I just won’t bite on for you. Look at the info I gave you. Its not a sampling. There isn’t even room for any bias. It a cold number. MOST drug users that I have arrested and been around when others have arrested have extensive criminal histories (for things other than drugs). Every person I’ve arrested or been around for breaking into cars or houses (not burgalry as that is a different thing, nor commercial B&E’s) had a drug history. Each one. Now…if you want to expand that out statistically, you can. But that you. I’m related real world first hand information.

  • jon

    T. – Everyone who read your response is now a little bit dumber. Your sample is the people you arrested. Those are the observations ur using to inform yourself about the population, right? Therefore it is your sample. And the method you use to select people isn’t random, you select only those whom you’ve arrested. Ur assuming that the people you’ve arrested inform us about the nature of drug users or people with criminal records or both, right?

    Did you read anything I wrote? How is it possible that we put people so dumb in positions of authority?

  • t.

    Yes I read it. But whatever liberal arts college eject you has let you down. They gave you the terms but not the understanding.

    To answer your question…N O. Y O U are inferring that . I’m just providing the factual information. If YOU want to then use those facts in some sort of statistical analysis….you can. What am saying is that there is no bias. I’m not selecting people who use drugs. That the people arrested use / used drugs….according to those on this site…makes no difference.

    Now, where you may have an issue is what conclusions someone might draw from the information.. Now someone with my experience might (would) say that when seeing that fact…and throwing in the high price of street drugs…a reasonable inference can be made that drug users are breaking into cars, trucks and houses to feed their drug habits. Now you may draw some other explanation (or see no explanation at all) when viewing those facts. Now I could bias that information by narrowing the subjects demographics or some other qualifier.

  • jon

    dear mou(t.)h breather,

    all of my comments still stand. you forget that the meaning of your writing does not only lie in your intent. do you even know what liberal arts means? we’re talking about social science here, and that is exactly where liberal arts programs often excel. again, hoisted with own billy club.

    additionally, you seem to be saying, based on my non-random sampling of people i’ve arrested, that they often commit violent crimes and almost always do drugs. regardless of what inference you’re making, your sample is still biased, you’re assuming that they commit these crimes because of drugs (cum hoc ergo propter hoc), given that you’re explanation is that they commit crimes to feed drug habits. this implies that you’re assuming the commit crimes BECAUSE of drugs. did you, e.g., consider that a third factor might ultimately cause both? because you exclude drug users who haven’t been arrested for non-drug related crimes, your excluding crucial data, if you’re trying to infer that non drug related arrestees almost always commit said crimes to obtain drugs. on top of that, i’m assuming you have a jurisdiction, what about others outside it?

    as an aside, having experience does not make an argument credible. this is an appeal to authority.

    when you draw an inference from empirical data, in your case, the the data being the arrests you’ve made, this makes your observations of the people you’ve arrested a sample. sampling doesn’t just mean handing out surveys. your aggregated experience with said arrestees is a sample of the population by definition, even though you don’t arrest people with the intent of collecting data. to draw an inference from your aggregate experience you are engaging in a form of statistical analysis.

    finally, i have no idea what you’ree trying to say about a highschool example. write in some sort of discernible dialect next time. it reads like the dictation of someone with a mouth full of doughnuts.

    sorry mouth breather, people pay for college degrees for a reason. sorry you missed out on that. night school?

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  • Radical Dude

    Even if you can make a compelling argument that “drugs are bad”, and lead users/addicts to use other drugs and commit crimes in general, that still does not constitute a corpus delicti, because one of the elements of corpus delicti is a “specific” injury, it’s not right to punish a drug user or even dealer for all the harm “drugs” allegedly cause society. For a corpus delicti, there must be evidence of a specific injury, is there evidence of a specific injury caused by the alleged act of selling “about a pound” of mj, in this specific instance?
    This should be the central issue in this case, is there evidence of a “specific” injury, or isn’t there?

  • t.

    Jon: All can tell is re-read what I wrote. Imdidnt mention violent crimes. You are reading things into what I wrote…wishing to change the nature of the information. And that’s OK. Just don’t put it on me. BTW…what do you think most cops major in college? Social science.

  • jon

    Ok t. You win. You didn’t actually say violent crimes. Way to read me without any charity. Non drug crimes it should have read. Go back and read what I’ve read. Cops don’t go to real college. C’mon dude. Dod you honestly think you can call urself educated?

  • t.

    If you don’t think major state universities are real schools.

    Don’t but get me wrong….I don’t live or even heavily believe in the academic world. It doesn’t tend to translate well into real life. Its important to learn the theories and ideas of others. But far to many manufacture their own theories as a way of staying innthat world and not really producing anything. Eventing thoeires and experiments and such to get government grants to avoid actually working. There are some very good lessons to be learned…but one must keep in mind the very biased teachings and temper that with ones own personal experiences.

  • jon


    could you at least try to make a valid argument? do you know what that means?

    yes, i actually think all public uni’s are terrible, including the one i went to. that was clearly implied by what i wrote.

    btw, i only have a bachelors, and have been out of school longer than i was in it. I work for a financial services company.

    have fun on your five figure salary.


  • Chad

    It’s fairly stupid to trust a jury with critical thinking skills. Rich Paul made a stupid judgment in that regard. Juries are “clones of the system”.