The Police Officer Impeachment Act – Petition

Published On April 21, 2013 | By CopBlock | Articles

This is an effort to bring an additional layer of accountability to police officers and push back against the ‘police brotherhood’ that protects them. I’m hoping this could create a system where police officers could literally be ‘voted off the island’ so to speak.

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Submitted by Trevor Lyman

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  • t.

    Brah ha ha ha. HA HA HA HA. This outfit to be entertaining

  • nod

    How about actually outlining a system rather than just saying that “we demand a system of some sort” and not giving any details whatsoever?

  • Shawn

    @T

    Oh, I don’t know. There is something attractive in the public having the ability out a cop with a reputation from hell. That cop who racks up enormous number of complaints, but somehow you and your fellows won’t pay attention.

    Personally, I’m more interested in departments that will do their freeking jobs and fire cops who betray the public’s trust, and keep them fired. Not give 9 out of 10 their jobs back so they can repeat the same mistakes.

    Remember that police power isn’t some inherent right from God Himself. It exists strictly at the sufferance of society. You don’t have a right to police power.

  • t.

    @Shawn: You don’t disappoint. One dimensional thinking. Most of the best officers get lots of complaints. Criminals complain all the time about us. It’s kinda like a scorecard. Just because you don’t lie something, doesn’t mean the officer did anything wrong. You have never understood that and sadly never will. But the terrorized people that have to cower in their houses because those thugs prowl the street when we aren’t there….they don’t share your feelings. You approach it like the rest of the cop blockers do, like its some kind of joke. It’s not. We live in a violent society. People are in fear for themselves and their children. But now, with the like of you goofs, they also have to deal with rebate ads wanting to walk around armed to the teeth because their “exercising”.

    Your response was one I knew would come and I expected comedy. I got it.

  • YankeeFan

    WoW, Police officer impeachment. I thought I had seen it all.

    P.S. I just went through my first DUI checkpoint hosted by the Citrus Heights PD. The officer who walked up to me looked old enough to barely be out of the womb. He was very pleasant and polite. He asked if he could see my DL and I know for a fact that I took more time prying it out of my wallet than he spent looking at it. I was asked 1 question and we know what that was. I can say…I did not feel violated. I wanted to get home as I had pulled a double bingo volunteer shift but all in all was simple and easy!!

  • Radical Dude

    Nice try, the problem is really the perception that police have some right to initiate violence, unique from other violent gangs because of their political affiliations. When factually, they have no evidence of any more right to initiate violence than any other person, it is a superstition (not based on fact).

  • http://libertycrier.com Trevor Lyman

    Wow! Some interesting responses here. :D

    @nod – I don’t want to outline a system because I want to hear suggestions and I want to send those suggestions along with the petitions to the state reps. Then we can have competition among 50 states provide us with the best answer. Also when you get too specific people who may like the idea may find some objection with the specifics and won’t sign the petition. I don’t believe I should dictate ‘the one system’ that everyone should have to use. Whatever it would have been it will be too radical for some and not radical enough for others.

    @t – I’m sure a lot of police on the force do believe they are doing good things and want to do so. People I have grown up with are now officers and I know for a fact that they are not bad people. But a lot of what they do they ‘think’ is good for society when in reality it isn’t. They enforce a lot of bad laws because they don’t think to question authority. But this isn’t really intended for them. This is intended for cops who commit acts of pure violence or rights violations and get away with it, not just for an officer who receives complaints from a few individuals here and there.

    @radical dude – there are higher levels of thinking on this to be sure. This is another step/layer of action society might take and one I believe that the average person can understand. It all about increasing the level of engagement. Not everyone can start out at the highest level of commitment to principle, most need to be nudged along unfortunately.

  • Common Sense

    How about one where a community could ‘vote’ out residents, say the unemployed, dopers, the lazy…

    …I like it.

  • Burn The Obedient

    @ Common…I like that idea too. lol

  • shawn

    @T

    And the complaint from those who don’t have records get tarred withe the same brush? A great many of the bad cops ive read about had a lot of clues as to who they are. But cops consistantly ignore the signs among their own.
    As for whether an action is right or wrong, ive long since given up on cops’ ability to recognize either one.

  • t.

    Shawn: People complain about everything. Record isn’t important. People call all the time because they were “cussed out” during a traffic stop. I check the tape and nothing of what they said occurred. Its people lashing out. Its expected. It the much touted “squeaky wheel” theoriy in practice. Generally I cut them off and tell them to leave as the officer didn’t do anything wrong….just because they didn’t think they should have been stopped, or their kidshouldnt have been arrested. They have then complained about me…and those complaints are dismissed. Ours is not a job to make you happy.

  • Big T.

    Pay no attention to the “little t.” he is consistently incorrect about every single issue. he is a mental midget with the IQ of a fence post. It’s ok little t. keep trying :)

  • slappy

    Hilarious!! Another attempt for a bunch of moron activists to try and control something they no nothing about. That dip shit Pete didn’t make it as a police officer so this is how he retaliates. Something like this will never happen. Every criminal under the sun including activists will be clogging the system with this rhetoric. Grow up and stop breaking the law. I’m sure that would help you not be in contact with the police.

  • http://www.policemisconduct.net Glenn

    This post sure has the shills in an uproar. Looks like Cop Block is really on to something big. I will sign the petition immediately!

    POLICE OFFICER RAPES A THREE MONTH OLD INFANT AND A ONE YEAR OLD CHILD!

    When you see common sense, t., underoath, psosgt and all the other shills spew their boot-licking propaganda here on Cop Block, remember, THIS IS WHO THEY ARE, THIS IS WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DEFEND!

    Wichita KS police officer Officer Joseph T. McGill, 28, was convicted today of committing a sexual act on a 3-month-old child and a 1-year-old child. Officer McGill pleaded guilty in January 2012 in an unrelated case to sexual battery while on duty as a police officer and was sentenced to three years probation. Those charges stemmed from separate incidents in November 2010 and February 2011. The judge set sentencing for March 1.

    http://www.kansas.com/2013/01/24/2649372/former-police-officer-convicted.html

  • slappy

    Glenn – You are an idiot. There will never be such a bill introduced. It is yet the most stupid thing these activists have come up with. The funniest part is they think they are so smart yet to think they can get something like this in motion is laughable. Why stop at police officers, how about firemen, paramedics, how about the place you get your laundry done, maybe the plumber. This is how ridiculous it is. These stupid activists think they can do anything at the cost of someone else’s liberties. The system would be so clogged with bull shit complaints by criminals it would be stupid. OF course these bull shit activists would be doing the most complaining.

  • certain

    We don’t need all of the petition crap. Just a truly independent citizen review board, with indictment powers.

    Add to that a system in which the prosecutor for these cases is a private attorney, not the DA.

    Lastly, remove the ridiculous concept of qualified immunity.

    These 3 steps would be a really good start.

  • slappy

    Certain – It will never happen. Unless you are trained in police work and understand the protocols ect.. There will never be a citizen police board. It’s like having a citizen fire board. It just will never happen. Not possible and quite funny.

  • Steve Pert

    @t.

    Warren v. District of Columbia. That’s my response to you sir. Police officers across the country assume we the people need or even want your protection. I don’t. I live in Florida. I recently had charges dropped against me under the Stand Your Ground law. Why were charges brought against me? Because my neighbor is a “friend” of the police and the guy pulling the knife was a friend of his. False statements were made against me just to see that friends of the police were protected. No matter what he did. Thank God and Country the judge respected the law. Well, in the long run your protected friend is missing three of his teeth and has since recovered from a dislocated jaw. I wish there was a chapter of copblock in my area. I would be involved daily. I am very interested in starting a chapter myself.

  • Shawn

    As you guys can see, Slappy like leaving police total in control of policing themselves. A laughable concept of pure idiocy, and one with predictable results.

    Cops remind me of Proverbs 30:20
    An adulterous woman consumes a man, then wipes her mouth and says, “What’s wrong with that?”

    They can’t even see the rot.

  • Steve Pert

    Petition signed!!!

  • Steve Pert

    @slappy

    There was a time when women voting was laughable. There was a time when African Americans having rights was laughable. Your time will come to. And a cop calling himself slappy? Very telling in and of itself!

  • YankeeFan

    The military is controlled by civilians, many in fact who never served and more than likely loathe the military and its existence and it seems to work just fine. Civilian review boards would add accountability to a group which is only 1 of 2 groups that investigates their own with no outside oversight! I agree however, that they will not happen!

  • Shawn

    @YF

    Not if police get a choice, no. But we, society, don’t actually their permission to do anything. There is not one power cops have that is by right of God. Not even the ability to carry a gun.

  • certain

    Hey slappy – It doesn’t take any special training to spot corrupt and murderous thugs. For the most part (I will admit to exceptions) if it looks like a duck, etc.

  • slappy

    The whole idea is just stupid. It will never happen. Everyone plays armchair quarterback yet no one of you is a police officer. You think you know everything without actually spending time in the field. You don’t. You aren’t out there risking your lives everyday trying to catch drug dealers, murderers, pedophiles ect.. You are all living in a fantasy world. A board like that will never happen. It is funny to watch you fall all over yourselves to be the first ones to sign up for this fantasy.

  • KAZ

    It still suprises me that many people do not know what the word impeachment means. So here you are straight from wikipedia…

    “Impeachment is a formal process in which an official is accused of unlawful activity, the outcome of which, depending on the country, may include the removal of that official from office as well as criminal or civil punishment.”

    Even though I signed the petition I do not think that this will work out as expected. The process of impeachment is a two part process and involves an organization policing themselves. We all know this does not work, because all a person has to do is resign from their department before they get impeached and hired somewhere else.

    I do however believe that copblockers should be more aware of recall elections. A Sheriff or chief of police can be removed from officer by the people. If a sheriff/chief of police does not do their job and fire cops that are found to be harmful to the public then the people should start the process of a recall election and have them removed and replaced with someone willing to do the job correctly.

  • Steve Pert

    @ slappy

    The whole idea is just stupid. It will never happen. Everyone plays armchair quarterback yet no one of you is a police officer. You think you know everything without actually spending time in the field. You don’t. You aren’t out there risking your lives everyday trying to catch drug dealers, murderers, pedophiles ect.. You are all living in a fantasy world. A board like that will never happen. It is funny to watch you fall all over yourselves to be the first ones to sign up for this fantasy.

    If that was the case this organization would not be here. The issue “slappy”, is the misuse of power, police extortion, police brutality and police breaking our constitutional rights. You seem to be one of the benevolent that truly believe you are benevolent. What? You can’t just admit that it happens? You can’t can you? Notice “slappy”, I use my real name on here. You gonna send your buddies to harass me? I welcome it!

    If police officers were as upstanding as yourself then there would never be an issue. I just started a chapter of CopBlock in Ocala Florida. Problem with my beliefs or my right to free speech? Last week I watched one of your brothers tell a friend of mine he needs to move out of the neighborhood. Next time I’ll film it. What was his crime? He did nothing. The cop used the old stand by of “someone called about a lot of people coming and going from this address.” The cop didn’t even speak to the owner of the house. Pure harassment. IF someone called it was another instance of my other neighbor using his friendship with the cops for his own agenda.

    Now, if you are so upstanding and aren’t out there breaking our constitutional rights then why are you so upset?

  • YankeeFan

    Shawn,

    I agree. The point is, police have crafted a world in which we never understand how hard it is, it is to complex for the avg citizen to get and so on. If we disagree, we get labeled as liberals They say take it to the courts then when the courts rule they screwed the pooch, they get mad and call the judges liberals. In other words NO ONE understands police work. It is all crap. Police are police no matter where they serve in any country. The big difference in America is the constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, limits how far they can go. (As a side, people also need to understand the limits as well. We have free speech but we cant slander, libel or threaten others under the guise of free speech).

    The military has to answer to their civilian masters, many who loathe and despise the military and who never served 1 minute in uniform but that’s the system. Police, if they had to answer to a civilian review board would lose the ability to control all the information and actually have to answer simple basic questions where the answers are simple and basic. I have stated before the police and congress are the only 2 entities that do not have to answer to an outside body that has oversight of any kind and we all already know what we think of congress and their crap.

  • http://libertycrier.com Trevor Lyman

    I love hear how hard it is for police because it helps me to understand why they need to mace and beat people in wheelchairs, and punch women in the face who have done nothing but walk down the street, and kill mentally ill people who just finished watching a movie, and shoot a man who was hard of hearing in the back because he was walking down the street and carving a piece of wood…and on and on and on. Thanks guys. Now it’s all ok, in fact, I hope I see a lot more of that because now I know that it’s just hard for the police and that I, silly stupid idiot that I am, will never really know what it’s like to be a man in a blue costume telling everyone around me what to do. Thanks for clearing that up guys, you’re soooo right.

  • http://www.badgeabuse.com badgeabuse

    slappy says:
    April 22, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    The whole idea is just stupid. It will never happen. Everyone plays armchair quarterback yet no one of you is a police officer. You think you know everything without actually spending time in the field. You don’t. You aren’t out there risking your lives everyday trying to catch drug dealers, murderers, pedophiles ect.. You are all living in a fantasy world. A board like that will never happen. It is funny to watch you fall all over yourselves to be the first ones to sign up for this fantasy.

    What do you know about being a cop nurse slappy? what does being a nurse have to do with police work?

    I wonder how many people died on the shifts you worked….

    I bet no one likes to work with you…

  • slappy

    Badgeabuse, You are an idiot. This fantasy control is just what activists like you like to come up with. It helps you escape reality. You can’t control your own lives so you try to control everyone else’s. The thing is, you people are just stupid. This type of topic has been brought up before. It’s another activist fantasy.

  • Steve Pert

    slappy,

    Why don’t you have a retort for me? Truth hurts huh? This petition is for holding cops accountable for wrong doing. True, most cops are upstanding citizens who want to do good. It seems to me that you are defending the ones who feel they can do as they please. Here in Florida cops have been caught and convicted for picking up prostitutes while on duty, giving their uniforms and squad cars over to meth dealers, killing citizens that are handcuffed, illegal speed traps, it goes on and on. Not to mention all the small things that you are trained to do such as stop an innocent person walking down the street and demanding an ID under the threat of arrest.

  • Shawn

    “I love hear how hard it is for police because it helps me to understand why they need to mace and beat people in wheelchairs”

    Apparently you didn’t hear about the double amputee. One arm and one leg. He ‘cornered’ a cop with a pen and the cop killed him. How does a cop get cornered and threatened by a man with one arm? He can either wave his pen around menacingly, or move forward. He can’t do both at the same time.

    But the cop ‘felt’ threatened by the man.

  • t.

    “Big T”: You call me wrong. Give an example.

  • http://www.badgeabuse.com badgeabuse

    slappy

    I’m no activist….I just hate bad cops…bad enough I have to work with them everyday.

    still no answer to the question….What do you know about being a cop?

    learn to read the whole post nurse….

  • t.

    Pert: I just saw your Warren v DC line. Sorry I missed it. The tough part about that issue is trying to quantify the un-quantifible. This is a conversation that takes place within our ranks all the time. Let me try and paint the picture for you (not saying that I can):

    We have very finite resources (it horribly different than the “police state” that is spoken of on this site). The question is how do we deploy those resources?
    If the approach is all PROACTIVE…then there aren’t enough officers available to respond to emergency calls.
    If you go all REACTIVE…the crime rate will shoot through the roof.
    So different thoeires emerge. Things like Communist Oriented Policing and COMSTAT. Both have great parts and huge weaknesses.
    So the question continues…
    For every arrest I make…all the time spent at the jail and writing the report, my beat goes “uncovered” leaving opportunity for crime or longer response times on emergencies.
    But if I don’t arrest the drunk driver….the potential is remarkable high the he will crash and hurt someone. And in the crash there are expenses born by all in the emergency response of Police,Fire and EMS and the cost to the insurance companies which is passed along to stock holders and clients.
    If I stop the speeder…and a couple of hundred other motorist see me writing that guy a ticket….and they decide to slow down afterword for a while and drive more safely, and they don’t crash into you by running the red light 3 miles later, was it worth it?
    If on night shift I drive through a 24 hour business and linger a bit…and a robber drives by and sees me and decides to move on to somewhere else, did I help? If I leave just prior to that robber arriving, and he hasn’t seen me and robs the store, is that then my fault??
    I a lucky community, the ratio of officers to citizens is 1-1000. Not many. But that number lies a bit as in it doesn’t take into account that many of those officers are detectives, administrators, support personnel, and not on the street. A thousand man department may only have 650-700 officers “on the road”. And that doesn’t take into account shift rotations and absences. My sector of the city has roughly 40,000 residents (at night). My squad has 8 spots assigned. 8-40,000. Not the police state is it? Throw in vacation, training, sick time and we might only field 5 guys. 5-40,000.
    Now my bigger point to your comment is this: YOU may not want my help. MOST people I help, YOU included, never know that I helped them. Us stopping that drunk driver before he crashes…helped. My stopping that car load of kids at 1 am that are cruising through your neighborhood…where they don’t live…more than likely stopped several break ins…But you never knew it happened…because I stopped it from happening.

    Those examples and go on and on. Trying to quantity the un-quantifible.
    Tough to do.

  • http://libertycrier.com Trevor Lyman

    “If you go all REACTIVE…the crime rate will shoot through the roof.” — this is completely false and outlines one of the core problems we have today.

    Keeping a crime rate down is up to the community, not the police/government. Communities can do this in lots of ways, like making sure they are armed and trained with arms to defend themselves (just one way). There are plenty of examples all of the country of how armed populaces have extremely low crimes rates. Cities, where most are unarmed, usually have very high crime rates (with some exceptions).

    Making sure the economy is good by reducing regulations that block small businesses also helps because it means more opportunity for would be criminals. At the root of crime is a lack of opportunity and a lack of feeling that the person has a viable future in society.

    These are few of the things a community do to solve it’s problems, but because the thinking has been to outsource crime prevention to the police and to government, communities have been weakened and are ineffective in creating solutions.

    The police have no other duty but to enforce laws after they have been broken and once you realize that you’ll begin to have a better police force that has much more respect from the public.

  • http://libertycrier.com Trevor Lyman

    I’ll give you an example. Tokyo is a city of millions and they have strict gun control and a very very low crime rate. But we know that gun control is not the reason for the low crime rate because most of the cities here in the U.S. that have gun control have the highest crime rates. That means the reason for Tokyo’s low crime rate has to be something else.

    Tokyo also does not have a strong police state or presence. It’s not the police that create a low crime rate. So it must be something else.

    That leaves just a few things. Culture, community, job opportunity. Tokyo is the perfect example of our these things are the key to a peaceful society and NOT a police state that is trying to snoop around everywhere and nanny everyone into the grave. Do some research on Tokyo, watch some documentaries on youtube, it’s an amazing city! And then you’ll see what I’m talking about a lot more clearly.

  • http://libertycrier.com Trevor Lyman

    One more thing- if you look at drug laws and see how they are enforced against the most troubled in our nation you’ll see they serve to perpetuate a life of crime. Once a person has been convicted and put through the system it makes it very difficult to get a job which is an essential part of moving on with life and doing better. So it’s the government that creates a perpetuating cycle of poverty and criminality. Drug laws do nothing to solve the problem of drug addition, they add to dealer profits and the list of issues and problems go on and on. Not to mention the tax burden they create on society which also means a weaker economy, fewer jobs, etc. Over ten years ago Portugal implemented a massive decriminalization effort and drug use and abuse had continued to decrease year after year. Here in America we fight a multi-billion dollar drug war and the problem just keeps growing and growing. The answer is fewer laws and fewer police, not more.

  • Steve Pert

    @ t

    I read your comment. As I pondered your response I went to my front door to look around and gather my thoughts. A perfect example rode right in front of my face. You see, I live behind a convenience store. There’s guy in neighborhood who rides a large moped type vehicle to this store on a daily basis. What he does is goes in there and buys two beers. He then walks behind the dumpsters and chugs them down, after which he takes off down the road. Now I know for a fact complaints have been made against this guy. The local cops refuse to do anything about it. Why? Because they don’t have to. The day will come when word comes through the neighborhood grapevine this guy has been in an accident. I pray he only hurts himself and his own property. I dought that will be the case. It rarely is in DUIs.

    And as far I go, I don’t want your help. People in my neighborhood know I will give the shirt off my back to help someone that needs it. They also know this property is protected by me, not you. I don’t live in a well to do area that has cops crawling all over it keeping it safe. I live in an area that is average and is hard to get the cops to cooperate with the residence even when the residents are right. Such as this guy on his drunken rides through our streets.

    It has amazed me through my 41 years on this earth that when I drive through the affluent parts of what ever city I may be in that a police presence is obvious. When I go home, in what ever city I may be in, I never see a cop. When they are called 6 out of 10 times they act as if they are being bothered.

    Perhaps it wouldn’t hurt for you to use this forum to show us the good side of police officers. You seem more likely to engage in the bashing that goes on here rather than prove police aren’t what MOST of us see you as. And remember, this isn’t a perceived perception. It is what we go through out there in the public places we love so much. Not all of us are “armchair quarterbacks”. A statement I see made in this forum a lot.

    It also seems to me that a lot of the rhetoric thrown around by “peace keepers” on here assume that no one here has picked up arms to defend this country. It’s really not about what you do for us. It’s about what you do against us.

  • Steve Pert

    @ t

    When I moved into my current residence there was a lot of fear of robberies, burglaries and vandalism. I talked with my neighbors and asked what they do about these problems. The main response was call the cops when we see something suspicious. By example I have shown my neighbors that a better way is to show the criminals we have a presence here and won’t tolerate it. I personally am more likely to call 911 for an ambulance for myself or the criminal rather than wait around for a cop to show up and decide if he is willing to help or not. In the last 8 months no crimes have taken place in a three block radius of my house other than the things we can’t do anything about, such as the drunken moped rider. I am willing to live my life as a hated man as long as I’m hated by the right people.

  • t.

    Pert: I do t know to tell you. I don’t understand why you are seeing what you are as it runs counter to what normally occurs. What I mean is that I’m currently working in a “nicer” part of town. Primarily residential. Remember my above numbers, at maximum….8-40,000 people. The various times when I’ve work in “rougher” section of the city, I had 10 or 11 guys to cover a much, much smaller section of the city, with far fewer residents. So the fact that you see more officers in affluent sections makes no sense, other than that’s just where you are more often.
    As for calling the police…when to, when not to, and our reaction when we arrive. One of the main jokes that every officer I know has made at some point (out of exasperation) is that when they retire that they are going to call the police all the time for everything. The reason for that is we do get called for things that the community / neighborhood should be handling. I have started blood fueds between neighbors over loud music, barking dogs, kids playing. I ask almost e very time if they have spoken to the neighbor about the problem. Invariably the answer is “no, that’s your job”. So when I knock on the door and explain that the neighbor is complaining about them….well I’m sure you can figure it out.
    Your approach is the part of “community oriented policing” that works. If neighbors talk to each other, watch out for each other, lives are greatly improved. For you, like me, will see that car load of kids that don’t live there, trolling around looking for victims. The only real difference is that that your presecence may deter them from your house, while mine may / will lead to them maybe being charged and hopefully deter or eliminate them from a larger portion of the public.
    As for your moped guy. 2 beers will not get you drunk (2 40oz. beers might). Now, not knowing where you live, I’ll have to speak generally. If he’s on a moped, he probably doesn’t have a license (to suspend) or a car (to seize) as way to hopefully modify his behavior. Where I work someone can get a DUI on a moped, but I don’t think that is the same everywhere. Arresting him over and over for DWI will have little effect on someone like that. Same goes for some sort of alcohol violation for drinking it at the store. Dealing with this type of problem is very difficult. Its kinda like dealing with the homeless. No really good answers.

    @Trevor: You are mixing several things together.

    Reactionary response undoubtedly makes the crime rate go up. It shows up quickly when cities / towns grow faster than their PD does. When all you do is come after something has happened, your just creating victims. A small town near where I love deiced to disband their drug unit as they had started to work more and more in neighboring areas and not in that town specifically. The decision was that if there wasn’t enough to keep them busy in town, they weren’t needed. It took just a few weeks for that word to spread, and now they are trying to play catch up to a rapidly growing drug problem and a related up shoot in related crimes. You are wanting to compartmentalize things. In real life, its all mushed together.

  • certain

    Slappy – You are truly amusing. You should write comedy for Leno or somebody.

  • Steve Pert

    @ t

    Thank you for a rational, comprehensive response. You are right, what I do doesn’t protect the community at large. What I do doesn’t get people arrested and charged. I went through hell at my house going through this process. I was woken up at all hours of the night, nights on end by knocking on my windows and doors. The local cops, so I’ll admit I called them once, had all kinds of bright ideas as to how to handle this. Including tearing up my lawn by the doors and windows so they could get footprints later. Why not just patrol? Nah, let’s go write some traffic tickets over on the right side of the tracks. Speaking of that, in my year and 4 months living here I have seen one cop do a traffic stop here. I drive through the nicer part of town to pick my wife up from work. We have learned were every single speed trap is as we go through there. There’s five of them in less than a mile. I understand what you are saying about ratios but I just don’t see it, regardless if it makes sense to you or not. Perhaps if they wrote more speeding tickets here people would slow down instead of flying by.

    I personally lost faith in any cop as young man. I was asked on three occasions to join the police force by former school mates who went on to be Tampa PD. After listening to their stories and giving it some thought, I decided no. It seemed to me that these guys thought a persons rights were secondary to handling crime. You know, get the job done no matter what. If some innocent people have to have their lives interrupted or pay some fees, that’s okay. It won’t be us because we’re the one’s doing it. I”Ll never be pulled from my house for visiting a hydroponics store because I’m the law. You must understand I am not the exception. It’s just life’s experiences that lead me here. To find like minded people. People who do see more cops in nicer parts of town because that’s were the judges and lawyers, the doctors and car dealers, the bankers live.

    Not to mention the original issues here. The right to a citizens privacy. The right to have ALL cops uphold our rights. The right to not have a cop have you dump out your pockets or search your car for no reason. Basically the right to not fear the police. CRIMINALS SHOULD FEAR THE POLICE, NOT THE PUBLIC! Now keep this in mind. I am 41 years old. I have been self employed as a high rise window cleaner most of my adult life. I have a 6 inch mohawk and a big ol’ gray beard. That alone seems to give the cops some idea that I’m doing something wrong. I have a God given right to look as I please.

    I respect your opinions and truly value our little chat. Who knows? By the time we’re done with each other both of us may have a better understanding, and outlook, on the other.

    The populace knows we need a police force. That’s why we put them in place. What we don’t get is why do cops get away with things the rest of us would do prison time for. And why doe’s it seem the bad things cops do are covered up so often. We are accountable by the laws but it seems cops aren’t. One thing that is striking is the fact a cop hardly ever doe’s time for crimes unless it’s caught on tape. Then people are arrested for using the only means we have to hold the bad ones accountable. A camera. Believe me, testimony isn’t enough to do it. I can’t believe I said “believe me”, you know what I mean. Which is what this forum is supposed to be about, not people ranting at each other.

  • Steve Pert

    One more relevant comment. The people should be able to get a cop out of uniform when he or she has proven they are not capable of handling their jobs anymore. When citizens are being beaten, extorted, raped and killed we should be able to protect ourselves from a downright criminal in a uniform. I am southern and have seen this type of thing on the news my entire life. It builds resentment toward any cop when the bad ones are slapped on the wrist and free to go somewhere else to terrorize another community. If you haven’t seen this play out, at least on the news, then you must be in your first year. I don’t get the impression that applies to you.

  • t.

    Pert: I’ve worked hard on several “tarnished badge” cases and have a stack of officer certifications on my desk from it. I don’t want them either. But what I tried to explain earlier is that just because someone didn’t like being cited or arrested…doesn’t mean the officer did anything wrong. I had a guy who worked for that got complained n in about half of his stops. We watched the tapes and, while kinda of “short” with people, he was as professional as couldbe. But he got tons of complaints. When i was younger and running the street thugs hard, I generated them like crazy. People don’t like being arrest for their crimes. I’ve had some crazy complaints too. I had a guy claim I hit him with my car (my Sgt. At the time was at this arrest…too funny). I had a guy on a bicycle claim it was my fault that he rode into the side of my car as I sat in it…parked along the curb unmoving. I’m not trying to demean anyone or talk down to them, but you guys don’t know how truly crazy people are and the crap they will do and say. Truth is way stranger than fiction.

  • Steve Pert

    t

    I get it. What you don’t get is the public’s concern for the blatantly obvious cases of police misconduct. We are not talking about the pissed off house wife yelling at you for pulling her over when she’s late to pick up the kids at soccer practice. We’re talking about the cops that do more harm than good. I wish I could say I commend you for sticking up for your own but I don’t. I think you are avoiding the real issue as well as the P.R. department. Admit nothing and it all go’s away right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT3aiEsoAJw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbT08zEEpa8&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ap4Vb2n3c8&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o60fquVD1Mk&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeYGrBDsJ-o&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX8GMI1v518&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZeHsDrzbVo&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9qv0SzxUj8&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y4jFi0wLIQ&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZeHsDrzbVo&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    And my favorite, not Florida but next state up, some where arrested with a little slap on the wrist.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZeHsDrzbVo&list=FLfDOdSr7n0hqrJvWJQB1imQ

    You refuse to admit these things happen but here it is. No real convictions. And no more of my time is going to be wasted responding to you. Enjoy your fairy tail world of all cops are great and the public has no clue of what you do or what you go through. We go through it to. Only we pay the price in the hospital or jail or the morgue because you boys in blue had a bad day. You don’t get it and you never will. All your roll is on this site is to talk down to us and boost up your own. Their shouldn’t be your own. Accountability is the issue and you refuse to admit it happens. And by the way, thank you for taking this time out of your busy schedule to help me and others understand why these things happen……

  • t.

    Pert: Which part of I’ve work on these cases and gotten the bad apples I could out of law enforcement didn’t you understand?
    BTW, did you actually look at any if those? I looked at some of them. The “taser in Florida” was not only proper, they actually took way longer than they should have. Every other one showed the officer was fired and / or arrested. Accountability.
    As for sentences / convictions and such. All I can tell you is go to court and watch what really happens. Hardened criminals, those with serious records, get little to no time for their crimes. These officers, with no records at all, should get worse than that?

    I can understand you ideas / thoughts / sentiments. But just pause long enough to see all of it. Don’t get caught up in the emotions of the first look at something.