Police Attack-Dog Mauls Man During Warrantless Search of Private Property

Published On August 25, 2013 | By Kate | Articles

The police state is growing…

Police State USA‘s ‘About‘ page states: “Our mission is to educate and inform the public about the dire situation this country faces. Our liberties are being systematically destroyed and the power of the government grows by the day. We cannot win our liberties back without popular support, and most of the public is still unaware and apathetic. The more people who wake up, educate themselves, and prepare, the better off we will be in the future.”

The following article, which is horrifying on so many levels, was published at www.PoliceStateUSA.com on August 24, 2013.


LIVINGSTON, MT — A kitchen manager visiting his place of work after hours was mauled by a police attack dog, which was released into the property with the purpose of seeking out and attacking anyone it found.  Police defend the actions of the dog, saying “He did what he was supposed to do.”

Mark Demaline manages the kitchen of Park Place Tavern in Livingston, and on August 22, was visiting the business at 2:00 AM, which he often does, to eat before going home.  His routine visits are brief, as he makes a quick salad, grabs his laptop, and leaves.  He does not lock the door while in the tavern, reports the Livingston Enterprise.

Unbeknownst to Demaline, police had decided to perform a “standard downtown security check,” which involves entering a private business without probable cause or a warrant, snooping around inside and releasing an attack dog to sniff out intruders, without permission from the owner.

Mark had prepared himself a take-home salad and prepared to exit the building, with food and drink in hand. A strange black dog approached him.

Being a dog lover, Demaline greeted the dog, “Hey puppy.”  The dog lunged at him and sank its teeth into his leg, gnawing his flesh with repeated bites.  Mark dropped everything and began screaming and trying to restrain the attack dog.

Just then two Livingston police officers appeared, taking control of the dog and cuffing Demaline, dragging him outside for an interrogation.  A phone call confirmed he had permission to be in the building, unlike the police officers and their violent dog.

“It’s just way out of line — the excessive force of this dog,” he said.

“It’s acceptable for the dog to confront anybody in the business at that hour,” Police Chief Darren Raney said, claiming police can enter any private property if it is unlocked.

“When the dog finds somebody in the building, he’s going to secure him, and that’s what happened,” he added. “He did what he was supposed to do.”

The police offered no sympathies or apologies to the cook, who had to miss a week of work, and incurred hospitalization bills and many personal inconveniences.


If you would like to give feedback to the Livingston Police Department on their use of warrantless searches, indiscriminate use of force, and their callous treatment of their victim after the attack, please contact them at the number below.

Livingston Police Department
414 E Callender Street
Livingston, Mt 59047

Phone:(406) 823-6026
More contact info: http://www.livingstonmontana.org/

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  • Buspass

    The reason that JF123 hasn’t commented yet is because he had to be seen in the emergency department again last night to have yet another foreign body removed from a sensitive place. He should be OK, but your thoughts and prayers are appreciated.

  • muffins99

    oh no he finally did it, he could not resist the urge to see if a cat would fit up there[it might have if he would have removed the 6 or so gerbils already tucked away in there] i really hope they were able to save the cat

  • YankeeFan

    He will be along any minute to do his usual daily round of trolling every topic with his, “I was fucking your $2 dollar whore of a (insert family member here) while engaging in the most basic of human functions on their graves. I.E I was pissing and shitting on the ground and etc etc”……

    Just wait. He never disappoints!

  • Jason Free 123

    Hilarious!!! Three cornholers buttfucking each other without making one comment about the article. annonypussy yancuntfan along with his other buttbuddies won’t use their real names. I guess it’s because you guys swap your dads with each other. I’m guessing you three sit and compare notes afterwords. I’d hate to hear that conversation. Funny how annonypussy yancuntfan used to pipe up telling everyone not to talk to me yet, he was always the first one to chime in and be a hypocrite. Annonypussy yancuntfan dahmer. He eats what he fucks. Sheep, chickens, goats, ect..

  • Jason Free 123

    By the way, the article is bullshit. The owners ask the police to check out their businesses because there have been so many break ins and for a small town it has a lot of crime. The fucker who wrote this story is nothing but a lying sack of shit activist.

    All activists lie all the time everytime.

  • YankeeFan

    See, just 6 mins later and the troll shows up! Never disappoints!

  • YankeeFan

    Troll,

    I tell them to avoid trying to have a serious conversation as you are a troll that acts all tough guy with your drill sergeant cussing like you know what the fuck then when someone shows up and puts you in your place, as you have always been wrong, you break out the,”I was fucking your $@ dollar whore blah blah” line. Fucking loser!

  • muffins99

    he can;t help it his mother was the original 2 dollar whore except she gave back $1.99 in change, and sadly the best part of whatever its name is ran down her leg

  • YankeeFan

    Back to the story,

    The guy bitten had the right to be there as confirmed by the owner when called by the police.

  • john k

    All of this cause he didn’t lock the door.

  • Shawn

    Who wants to bet the cops would go nuts if he had shot the dog? They’d have probably killed him for defending himself.

    ““When the dog finds somebody in the building, he’s going to secure him, and that’s what happened,” he added. “He did what he was supposed to do.”
    No, he is not supposed to cause injury to just anyone. That is insanely stupid.

    “The police offered no sympathies or apologies to the cook, who had to miss a week of work, and incurred hospitalization bills and many personal inconveniences.”
    Cops once again fail to take responsibility for their actions. They chose and trained a dog to cause injuries. Anyone else would be looking at charges and would have no defense in court.

  • Jason Free 123

    annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer – Trying to be the mother your own mother wasn’t. I posted those videos of you fucking animals. You are just trying to run from your past and present animal fuck fests. Guess what, they caught up with you. This dog in this aritcle did his job. There is a lot more to the is fucking story then some dog biting a shop owner. The PD found the shop owners door unlocked and even salled out but no one answered. The dog did his job and the shop owner will be a little more careful in the future. You are just mad you couldn’t rape the dog.

  • RadicalDude

    So we don’t want the police performing business checks, checking for unlocked doors. Got it. Thought that was what patrolling was for but I guess not.

  • Shawn

    @RD or more correctly Evil RD

    Business checks are one thing. But turning a dog loose when you don’t know what is going on? Why not just spray the building with machine gun fire, just to be safe.

  • Jason Free 123

    Shawn you are wrong bigtime. The officers don’t know who’s in there and the owner should have spoke up. The police dog is used for a reason. The guy got bit. He didn’t get shot. If you had read the real story you would have read that the PD were checking businesses that night and the door on his business was open and no one answered.

  • thinkfreeer

    I would have slit the fucking dog’s throat. I keep my knife good and sharp for just such a purpose.

  • t

    So…..the police do what they are tasked to do…protect live and PROPERTY by checking for unlocked doors. They find an unlocked / unsecured door, at a closed business, at 2 o’clock in the morning, at a BAR which are frequnet targets for breakins). Why didn’t he answer when the officers called out to him? Was there maybe a little more to the story? How does the bar OWNER “stop of” at the bar on his way home from work….which word be the bar?

    Hmmm. Smells not quite right.

  • YankeeFan

    Oh do shut up troll!

  • certain

    If any dog) ever attacks you, put one arm up in front of your chest with your forearm parallel to the ground. The dog will lunge at the movement and bite, when it does, circle your other arm around its neck and pull towards yourself as hard as you can, while pushing into the bite with the other arm. Takes care of the dog pretty quickly. You’ll get bit once, but that beats getting mauled.

    The guy will get a shitload of cash, while the cops will insist that nothing they did was wrong. I wonder how long it’s going to be before the cash just doesn’t cut it anymore. People are generally greedy, so it will take a while, but sooner or later I’d think it will turn into an “eye for an eye” kind of thing. Hopefully I’m out of the country before that happens.

  • certain

    Well lets see, brainiac, bars generally close around , gee, around 2 AM. So I guess it would be just highly suspicious for somebody to actually be inside of one at or around closing time, huh? I mean, I think they do have to clean up, wash dishes, etc.

    I think that smell is your upper lip.

  • certain

    LOL. Gotta like morons making stuff up out of thin air. Just where do you see anything about the cops calling out anything? Oh, that’s right, you don’t. You fucking made it up.

    And wait, isn’t t the one who is constantly saying things here are made up, misrepresented, etc? LOL. You really should be a real cop, t.

  • RadicalDude

    @ Shawn

    That’s what security guards do.

  • Common Sense

    Apparently he works at the Tavern, then went to bar next door, and then returned back the Tavern after 2am for a take-home meal. He left the door open, couldn’t hear the police command and got bit.

    The cops were in the right, but should cover the bills.

  • Jason Free 123

    thinkfreeer – I’d like to see you pull that one off. That dog would destroy you before you could even bat an eye. Just another keyboard warrior.

    Annonypussy certain – Now you pass on self defense bullshit based upon your experiences with out of control goats. Got news for you dingus. No lawsuit will come of this. The owner had the responsibility to say he was in there. The officer called out before he let the dog in and the owner didn’t say anything. You are just another goat scrunt hunter.

  • Jason Free 123

    I have to say this bullshit story would be better if the cunt activists who wrote the story wouldn’t of deliberately left out key points to the fucking story. Typical activist bullshit lies and fraud.

    All activists lie all the time everytime.

  • t

    certain: Don’t get mad at me guy. I didn’t write and post this crap. What’s funny is that your statements actually prove my point. Normally there are people at the bar cleaning up at that time. But clearly not at this bar as he usually stops in on his way home, by himself, just to make a salad and a sandwich. Now if he did this frequently, the very officers who found the bar door open would know that there are always workers on hand at that time of the morning. And those officer would way more than likely have known the bars owner and probably even recognized his car nearby. See how your “argument” really complements what I said. The story as written doesn’t make any sense.

    Now, I’m sure in your vast life experiences that you know that most owners / manager who are alone at the business well after closing aren’t just making a salad and sandwich.

  • YankeeFan

    Common Sense,

    Agreed!

  • Chris Mallory

    AMENDMENT IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    I have read this several times, no where do I see it say “unless the door is unlocked”. These cops need to be charged with attempted murder and robbery.

    All cops lie, all the time.
    Disarm cops for a safer America.

  • Shawn

    @Fake RD

    “@ Shawn

    That’s what security guards do.”

    What? We don’t usually have dogs, or machine guns. So what are you talking about?

  • Shawn

    @t

    “So…..the police do what they are tasked to do…protect live and PROPERTY by checking for unlocked doors.”

    I doubt they were tasked with simply attacking an unknown person. Checking the building is understandable, but simply turning a dog loose that is trained to attack with enough force to injure? Seriously, is that police logic?

  • Shawn

    @Jason

    “Shawn you are wrong bigtime. The officers don’t know who’s in there and the owner should have spoke up.”

    You’re assuming the owner knew the cops were there. It is highly unlikely the guy just sat there ignoring police calling out. How many times have we seen stories where the cops chose NOT to identify themselves to maintain ‘tactical’ advantage?

    The cops don’t know who is in there, so they turn loose an animal trained to attack anyone it sees? Am I the only person who thinks the cops using dogs that way is a bad idea? What if they use it on a building and it finds a child or a baby? If it simply attacks on sight, hey.

  • Shawn

    @Chris

    The issue isn’t the search. I’m gathering that the owner requested the check, and it certainly isn’t unreasonable for them to check an unlocked building. They weren’t illegally searching for drugs or something, they were making sure the place wasn’t getting robbed. A reasonable concern at 2am.

    The issue is that checking the building with a dog that will attack is a stupid idea. It is far more likely to find and attack an innocent person who forgot to lock the door, than it is to find a criminal.

  • certain

    But Shawn the cops called out to see if anybody was in the building. I mean, I don’t know how common, t and slaps know that the cops called out, because there is absolutely no mention anywhere in the story of the cops calling out jack shit, but they must have. Because common , t and slaps say so, right?

    LOL, fuck-wits.

    But I have to admit, slaps, the out-of-control goat thing made me laugh.

  • Ariel

    Let’s see: 1. MD is the kitchen manager, so he does have a right to be there, even at 2:00 AM; 2. there’s nothing in the essay saying the police announced, which gives you a maybe or maybe not, but you can’t assume they did and then weave further justifications claiming them certain; 3. an unlocked door to a bar at closing time only means there is an unlocked door at closing time; 4. the cops should have entered first to identify and ascertain the situation; 5. letting a fucking dog lose without doing 4 and maybe 2 is just negligent indifference to the harm it may cause to an innocent. They why “didn’t he answer” is the usual assumption that when cops speak people hear, even if they are too far away. After all, cops were speaking, distance and walls have no bearing.

    ““When the dog finds somebody in the building, he’s going to secure him, and that’s what happened,” he added. “He did what he was supposed to do.” No, the human is supposed to make a determination first as to who is in the building, then use the dog if needed. The dog was just let loose.

    Well, they were just following policy and procedure.

  • t

    Wow there is some small thinking running around on this one.

    • by the time the officers got a dog there, they’d most likely been there for awhile
    • checking for unsecured doors is what we do a lot at night….it’s how we find a lot of B&E’s
    • how big is this damn bar that some guy by himself in the kitchen can’t hear the police at the door?
    • announcing is policy and procedure

    Now,common is right, they should probably cover his medical expenses.
    Most likely what happened is this guy was impaired (had been at the bar next door) and was slopping around the bar, scared when the police called out to him.
    The police, finding the open door, most likely used it as a training opportunity for the K-9 unit and let the dog search.

    None of those things are wrong in and of itself.

    But as Ariel is wrong (shockingly) that it was just an open door at closing time. No. The story is that the bar was already “closed” when he stopped by on his way home. Why is this bar already closed and cleaned up at 2? Maybe it’s a crappy bar. Who knows. I didnt write the story.

  • Shawn

    @T

    “• announcing is policy and procedure”
    Do you remember the cops who killed a guy a 3am at his own house. They refused to ID themselves as cops.

    “Now,common is right, they should probably cover his
    medical expenses.”

    Damn straight. The dog is not supposed to cause injury. Anyone else who used a dog as a weapon and it caused injury would be in serious trouble. As i had said,what if it had found a jid? Would it still attack? Most likely.

  • Shawn

    Jid was supposed to be kid.

  • Jason Free 123

    Shawn, if you would have read the real story instead of this bigtime editted piece of shit, the officer stated he called out he was going to release the dog. The owner didn’t say anything and the place looked closed up so the officer let the dog in.

  • Jason Free 123

    Annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer. Here is a video of you trying to get a donkey to have sex with you. I told you you were all over you tube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRm8okHhapU

    I posted some more on the “Idaho cop felon” post. Again, I have proven you wrong because you claim not to be on you tube. You are one sorry fucking SOB.

  • Jason Free 123

    Annonypussy yancuntfan here are a few more videos on you tube of you raping animals.

    Here is another one of you raping your boss’s dogs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HHjmFgX8X0

    You are one sick bastard.

  • YankeeFan

    You are the one who goes and finds video of bestiality and you expect this to work? Nice try troll! Shall I say adam or slappy or whatever the fuck you call yourself, liar!..lol

  • Chris Mallory

    The government thugs “say” they announced. But we all know that every other word out of a cop’s mouth is a lie. If a citizen had sicced an attack dog on a government thug he would probably be beat to death by the thug’s gang brothers in blue.

    All cops lie, all the time.

    Disarm cops for a safer America.

  • RadicalDude

    Shawn,

    Do I need to post the countless stories of security guards shooting unarmed people? Accidental discharges? How about the lady in Texas who was recently shot by a security guard reaching for a cell phone. You’re part of the problem you’re bitching about.

  • t

    Shawn: “the dog is not supposed to cause injury”. Is that your expert opinion?

    “Do you remember the cops who killed a guy at 3am”. Is that the guy who thought it smarter to yank open the door and point a pistol at whoever was knocking? That guy. The guy pointing the pistol at god knows who? That guy? I remember that guy. Is that the guy you are referencing or are you talking about some other guy? Must be some other guy. Can’t be the idiot shoving a gun at someone knocking on the door.

  • Shawn

    @evil RD

    “Shawn,

    Do I need to post the countless stories of security guards shooting unarmed people? Accidental discharges? How about the lady in Texas who was recently shot by a security guard reaching for a cell phone. You’re part of the problem you’re bitching about.”

    Hang ‘em. They want to carry a gun for a living, they are declaring themselves professionally capable of handling it with both restraint and safety. They and cops should be held to that level of accountability. Guns aren’t toys.
    Most armed guard are nuts looking for a fight anyway.

    As for accidental discharges, there is NO SUCH THING. It is a negligent discharge, from improper handling of a weapon. Aside from poor manufacture, no gun can go off unless the trigger is pulled.
    I am a gun owner and I’ve never had an accidental discharge, while others I know have. Why? Because I don’t play with it like a 13yo with his pecker.

  • Shawn

    @t
    “Shawn: “the dog is not supposed to cause injury”. Is that your expert opinion?”

    No, it was the opinion of a number of K9 officers when I still had hair, demonstrating K9s to school kids. Every thing I ever saw about K9s was that they were trained to NOT actually cause injury. Of course cops do lie, and LE has changed a lot in their view on use of force.
    How to serve a warrant: 1972 versus today, by Lt. Harry Thomas
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3055801/posts

    Is it your ‘expert’ opinion that a dog should be turned loose to hurt anyone it finds? No matter whether guilty or innocent?

  • Casual Observer

    Like Livingston, MT is a high crime district. Just more evidence of police officers of limited intellectual capacity operating in a manner devoid of concern for the innocent, and then failing to accept any responsibility for their mistakes.

  • t

    Shawn: Really. So you’ve never seen he dog hit a bite sleeve during any of these demonstrations for kids? Every time I’ve seen a demonstration that happens. Never been a k9 officer nor have I ever been in the sleeve. Every dog bite tends to be pretty injurious though.

    As for your warrant thing, can’t watch right now, not relevant to this topic though but I’ll try to get to it later.

    As for should a dog ever bite? Hell yes. Building searches are an excellent choices for a dog. Their eyesight and sense of smell far exceed ours. I love animals, but I’d risk a dog way before I’d risk an officer.

    CO: As usual with you…huh? Are even commenting on this topic?

  • Casual Observer

    t says: “I love animals, but I’d risk a dog way before I’d risk an officer.”

    Any police officer who believes an unarmed kitchen manager fixing himself a snack puts them at “risk,” is pretty much a coward in my book.

  • Jason Free 123

    Annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer, Here is a video of your sheep wife and your son. He looks just like you. You must be proud.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V48huAZ_6NM

    You are one sick bastard.

  • YankeeFan

    Try again troll. You are a pathetic desperate piece of shit!

  • RadicalDude

    @ Shawn,

    “I am a gun owner and I’ve never had an accidental discharge, while others I know have. Why? Because I don’t play with it like a 13yo with his pecker.”

    You’re confusing me you’ve never had an “accidental discharge”? What does a 13 year old’s pecker have to do with anything?

  • Casual Observer

    /\ This is NOT a post by “RadicalDude.”

  • Jason Free 123

    annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer – What the fuck are you talking about? Those are just a couple of videos you are on. You tube has many more of your videos where you are fucking sheep and chickens. You told your dad you like to fuck sheep and chickens because you think they won’t laugh at you. I’m sure they do laugh at you.

  • RadicalDude

    ^ No shit?

  • RadicalDude

    Above comment was meant for Corrections Officer Observer.

  • YankeeFan

    Damn, Will the real RD please stand up!

    And that electric line I used, I took it from a Laurel and Hardy Episode. They were chimney sweeps and there was a part where the sooted the butler really bad and he said…”Somewhere an electric chair is waiting”, so it sounded good at the time!

  • RadicalDude

    Yankee,

    You seem like a level headed fella. I took no offense to your comment.

    I’m starting to like my nick name. “Evil RadicaDude”.

    Might change it to that. We’ll see.

  • RadicalDude

    Oops “Evil RadicalDude”.

  • Shawn

    @fake RD

    “You’re confusing me you’ve never had an “accidental discharge”? What does a 13 year old’s pecker have to do with anything?”

    ask Jason. He’s an expert. But short story, they’re always playing with it. Just like some guys and their guns.

  • Shawn

    @t

    “As for should a dog ever bite? Hell yes. Building searches are an excellent choices for a dog. Their eyesight and sense of smell far exceed ours. I love animals, but I’d risk a dog way before I’d risk an officer. ”

    No argument with sending a dog in. But should you use a biter when there is an excellent chance that there is an innocent person inside? I don’t think so.

    “As for your warrant thing, can’t watch right now, not relevant to this topic though but I’ll try to get to it later. ”
    Just an example of a cop who doesn’t agree with the modern concept of use of force by police, which is part of this topic.
    Also a lot of former cops and children of cops from the old school commenting on it. And it is Conservatives, not Libs.

  • t

    Other than some odd locations that use dogs for specialty type searches alone….like airports and shipping docks where dogs like labs and beagles and such are used…dogs that are trained to search a building for the bad guys…all bite. You are operating on really bad “Shawn” info.

    This wasn’t a police use of force issue guy. The police were searching an unsecured building and found an idiot inside who wouldn’t tell them that he was there. More bad “never talk to the police” advice. And this was a “warrant”. After your explainantion, i dont see any need to watch. You’ve complete missed what happened here and are trying to turn it into something that it clearly wasn’t.

  • Casual Observer

    @Shawn,

    Trying to use reason and logic with “t,” is about as productive as attempting to use the peaceful redress of grievances as a means to end the abusive behavior of governmental authorities.

  • RadicalDude

    @ Shawn,

    Ok so you’re admitting you have never had an “accidental discharge” (other than when you saw the 13 year olds pecker).

    So you’ve had a “negligent discharge”?

  • Casual Observer

    /\ More of the typically substandard work of this imposter/troll.

  • Shawn

    @Casual

    Evil RD has done better, hasn’t he?

    And, ya, t’s ideas of reason belongs in sunny places like Iran. Don’t know what is going on? Assume the worst and send in an animal trained to attack with intent to harm. And i love how t says ” This wasn’t a police use of force issue guy.”
    As if it wasn’t cops who trained and released the dog with the intent to do exactly what it did. Clearly the cops can’t be responsible for that.

    I wonder if i trained a dog to viciously attack cops, would t feel i wasn’t responsible for that? Of course that is different. After all, cops shouldn’t be held to a level of accountability greater than a 5yo.

  • RadicalDude

    Is Casual Observer actually RadicalDude? Hmmmmm?

    Shawn,

    You still haven’t answered my question. You referred to yourself as never having an accidental discharge. (Even though you claim they aren’t accidental they’re “negligent”.

    So you have had a negligent discharge?

  • Shawn

    @Evil RD

    Nope. No shots fired outside of a range. No negligent ‘accidental’ discharges. Did you really want to waste so much time on that question?

    People call it accidental to avoid owning responsibility for poor judgement.

  • RadicalDude

    No waste of time at all Captain. It was your wording not mine.

  • RadicalDude

    Poor judgement? You are a real piece of work. It must be nice to be perfect. We should change the name of auto accidents to poor judgement accidents. Or perhaps negligent accidents.

    No accidence only negligence. Who cares about intent.

  • RadicalDude

    *accidents.

  • Ariel

    t.,

    Sigh cubed. If you only knew how to use words exactingly even to my poor standard.

    The article: the kitchen manager had permission to do what he did after hours (so yes they should pay his medical bills); he leaves the door unlocked; this was part of a normal security sweep. I’ll get to your scenario after…

    “Closed” for shopkeepers, or restauranteurs, means “closed for business”, it does not mean all doors are locked. “Locked” means locked, requiring a key. A door “unlocked” does not mean a door is “open”, it means it’s unlocked. An “open” door is ajar, it isn’t closed, and if you had to turn a knob or handle it wasn’t “open” but closed and unlocked. “Announce” only means “announce” [you can look up the word], it doesn’t speak to loudly or softly, or in-between. It doesn’t mean they can hear you…

    Now your scenario, written to justify your profession: “Most likely what happened is this guy was impaired (had been at the bar next door) and was slopping around the bar, scared when the police called out to him. The police, finding the open door, most likely used it as a training opportunity for the K-9 unit and let the dog search.” One, you obviously don’t know the difference between “open” and “unlocked”, neither the post nor the article used “open door” nor did the officers, they entered by opening the door. Fail one. Two, taverns can be 1000 or 3000 sq. feet with kitchens that are often in the back, have a door, and may or may not have a pass-through, so if the officer announced we have no idea that he announced loudly enough to be heard in the kitchen. I could go on, then deal with your vapid response, but this is enough for you to make a dull response.

    I’ve said before you make shit up and you’ve never fully grasped what that means. It’s not what you think, it’s how you think. Which, unfortunately, leads too often to what you think as being made-up shit which you give a degree of certainty. Admit it, you think your scenario is the most likely. Oh, wait…

  • RadicalDude

    Hahaha Ariel thinks you need a key to get into an “locked” door.

    There you have it folks. Do away with the police and lock your doors. No one will get in.

  • t

    Aahhhhfffuullllhhhh. Well. My knowing how the police do their job isn’t me justifying anything. Your ignorance of how we do our job nullifies your nonsense. The article is short on details….again, look where its posted. Facts tend to be inconvenient problems around here. Most often, they are intentionally “neglected” to be included in most stories.

    Now maybe you are of the foolish @Shawn thinking of dogs never bite thinking. It wouldn’t surprise me. You think we have / use tranquilizer darts and fully auto weapons and tracked MRAP Crown Vic’s, and have talking tasers named TC Cone.

    Now let’s look at your “logic” and analysis. The “door”. Now what do we “know” about what happened. WELL he “stopped by on his way home from work” to make a salad and a sandwich. Most places, that would take place in the kitchen. Now, as he is walking from another nearby bar (which would presumable have other people also leaving at “closing time”….he MIGHT have gone in the front door BUT then he probably would have locked it behind him as he would want other people coming in. So, MAYBE he went in the back door which would be c.used to his end goal of the kitchen and his sandwich. Now, if that’s what he did, its pretty safe to assume that the kitchen / back door is what the officers found unsecured. Now we don’t know this….again, this is Cop Block and facts are always in short supply. NOW this is the part where your ignorance shows up in spades. I say the officer almost certainly announced their presence and loudly. WHY? Because even you should agree that if officers are so incredibly sloth….they wouldn’t want to search the bar if they could must get the owner / manager to the door. NOW my massive experience with what goes on at closed businesses after hours would tend to make me think that there is more to this story than has been posted here. Maybe some illegal items / activie. Most likely, some serious drinking and not thinking.

    Now, more details may emerge about this. Chances are good they won’t be posted here as they probably won’t favor the story that this site wants to push forward. Its amazing how many horrible stories about the police are posted and then disappear because they are crap. You of course will buy into them all. Your lack of any critical thinking skills always shows up

  • RadicalDude

    T,

    You need a key to get in a locked door. That’s the only way in.

  • Ariel

    RD,

    Yeah, he can’t grasp those simple facts. A locked door is locked, an unlocked door is unlocked. An open door is neither. A business that is “closed” doesn’t mean the doors are locked, if only because some owners or managers only lock the doors when the leave. In this case, it was spelled out that the kitchen manager leaves a door unlocked when he goes in.

    t.,

    All you did is make up a new explanation trying to buttress your old one. I’ve read the post and the article, neither get you to where you want to go. Back door or front door, neither account indicates they were “open”, nor do they indicate “he would probably lock the front but not the back”. It’s really tiresome that you try to weave an account that is solely your making in order to buttress an already failed accounting. I did read it, but was left with piffle. Neither the post nor the article support you, you make conjecture beyond what was written. I won’t let you do that, nor would any reasonable person (that gives you a wedge, please take it).

    “NOW this is the part where your ignorance shows up in spades. I say the officer almost certainly announced their presence and loudly. WHY? Because even you should agree that if officers are so incredibly sloth….they wouldn’t want to search the bar if they could must get the owner / manager to the door.” Now that was just plain silly. No cop is ever lazy, no cop fails to follow policy and procedure, no cop is ever just stupid, an inference from the thrust of your argument. Now in my ignorance, I never wrote they didn’t announce themselves, only that maybe they didn’t loudly enough for him to hear them. That’s more Occam’s Razor than the explanation you gave (that’s another way of saying you make shit-up).

    They may have announced loudly, but that doesn’t mean it would be heard at the back behind a door in a kitchen without a pass-through. I’ll up it with he was playing music from his laptop loudly, so behind the closed door in a kitchen with no pass-through he couldn’t hear the cop who loudly announced himself because it would be sloth to do otherwise. But then I would be making shit-up thinking it’s a real argument. I prefer Occam’s Razor.

    As for your massive experience, my massive experience is that I could walk into a number of small businesses after hours from the front door or the back door depending on which was unlocked. Occasionally, they were actually open. I always shut them behind me but never locked them. I did that for 18 years. Occasionally, they were actually locked. I knocked even if they weren’t locked. Oh, my massive experience also comes from being raised by small business owners, going on deliveries to restaurants during the week and weekends as a child, a father who managed restaurants and owned two, and just that general childhood where you worked for the family. By 1966, I could distinguish between locked and open (I’m being kind, it actually came much, much earlier). In 1962, I walked on my uncle’s blood. In 1966, I watched my great-grandfather die a slow death. In 1967 I cleaned up after an attempted suicide (coagulated blood is like liver if it pools). There was a lot in between, and before (at 18 months I had to be rescued from an irrigation pipe; at two I had my skull parted by a hatchet, a really nice indentation that makes my children cringe, and yeah it’s my earliest memory except for bathing with a girl). Lived on the border of a barrio for most of my childhood, being the anglo was an issue. So much experience and so much so what. What were you doing in 1967? Using “I have massive experience” to make an argument so full of conjecture and so little fact is just masturbating, pleasurable for you but unseemly for the rest of us.

    Experience is a wonderful thing, really it is. But when you think your experience is all there is and so much more than anyone else’s, it becomes an ugly thing. It limits you while you place those limits on others.

  • Ariel

    Damn, that was long. Skimming is fine by me, just don’t miss the highlights.

  • t

    I’ve made up no explanations about anything. The details are shockingly missing from a story on Cop Block.

    Which part “I don’t know” didn’t you get? For someone who once said, and I quote, “l am smart”, your lacking of reading skills is startling.

  • Casual Observer

    “t” is obviously a very confused individual.

  • Ariel

    No, t., you gave “most likely” combined with “massive” experience to give weight to your spin. The “I don’t know” was just a hedge. You really have to assess your words.

    As I showed, there is at least one other likelihood, also coming from experience, that would explain the situation. Mine dirtied neither the injured nor the injurer, other than to question the judgment of the injurer, as it was not a good time to train the dog.

  • Mark Demaline

    i guess this would be your so-called “made up bullshit”
    so I’ll be polite. You uneducated p.o.s. moron, stop by I got a dog and a couple of S.S. LPD officers for you to meet.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYOKQZnIjQU