Irondequoit, NY Police officer Caught on Video Threatening 15-Year Old Skateboarder: “My suggestion to you is don’t get in my way, shut your mouth, and go that way… you’re on my sidewalk!”

Published On September 2, 2013 | By Davy V. | Articles

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From left to right; Minister Florence, Al Shapton, and my Dad, Mario Vara in 1991,

before I marched with them in downtown Rochester, NY.

 

 

 

Irondequoit, NY Police officer
threatening minor.

 

By Davy V.

Like many teenagers, 15-year old Irondequoit, NY resident Drake, whose last name I have decided not to publish, since he is a minor, and has not been charged with any crime, loves skateboarding with his friends.

Unfortunately, Drake says, when it comes to skateboarding, Irondequoit, NY Police officers don’t share his passion.

Take, for example an incident which occurred a couple of weeks ago while Drake was skateboarding with some friends near Norton Street, and Culver Rd.

Two Irondequoit, NY Police officers drove up to the teens, exited their cruisers, and approached the youths.

As the video below shows, Drake, shows he obviously knows a thing or two about video recording any and all interactions with law enforcement, as he wastes no time in recording the IPD officers.

The video shows the officers questioning one of Drake’s friends, also a minor..

“They wanted my friend to get in the car with them”, Drake tells me, after he contacted me to tell me he wanted me to have the video, because he’s tired of Irondequoit Police harassing him and his friends when they’re skateboarding.

In the video, Drake can be heard telling his friend “They’re just going to fuck you over.”

Then, one of the IPD officers can be seen walking right up to Drake.

“How about this? The next time you say the f word, and if you don’t move right now, I’m going to lock you up…” says the officer.

Drake is then heard asking “For what?”

The officer, seen walking back up to the teen, replies “You can’t swear in public, you just said the f word, my suggestion to you is don’t get in my way, shut your mouth, and go that way…”

The officer then tells Drake, “You’re on my sidewalk.”

To which the teen, again showing he knows his rights, tells the officer, “This is not your sidewalk, it’s public.”

“Oh it’s my sidewalk, trust me”, the officer replies.

Then, in a classic example of the intimidation tactics, law enforcement officers use, the same officer threatens to charge another teen with disorderly conduct.

The teen also shows he knows his rights, and respectfully tells the officer that he has done nothing wrong.

The officer, realizing that he has been video recorded harassing minors, then seems to concede, and walks away with his fellow officer.

I asked Drake how does it make him feel that those who take an oath to serve and protect, instead harass innocent people.

“It makes me mad that I’m harassed in my own neighborhood for doing nothing wrong, and committing no crime”, Drake said.

“It makes me feel like a target in my own community.”

 

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Davy V. is a Cuban-American Filmmaker, Video Producer, Photographer and Freelance Writer, best known for using the power of video and film to expose Police Brutality, Corruption and Misconduct. The son of the late Mario Vara, a community activist who for years fought against Police Brutality and Misconduct in Rochester, New York, Davy V. got his start in Television and Video by tagging along and working camera for his father's cable access television show, "La Voz Del Pueblo" (The Voice of The People). Davy V. later went on to produce and host "KEEP IT ON THE REEL", a cable access TV show with a mix of Hip Hop as well as issues affecting African-Americans and Latinos in Rochester, NY, such as Police Brutality and Misconduct. Some guests on the show included Treach, KayGee and Vinnie of Naughty by Nature, Method Man, Funkdoobiest, Da Youngstas, and the Rottin' Razkals. Davy V. won the U.S. ACM Video Festival Award for his Documentary, "R.P.D. EXPOSED!" about the Rochester, New York Police Department and their long history of misconduct, corruption and unnecessary killings of unarmed innocent citizens. "R.P.D. EXPOSED!" and Davy V.'s follow up, "R.P.D.: Badges of DISHONOR, CORRUPTION and MURDER!" were both screened at the National Hip Hop Political Convention at Rutgers University in Newark, New Jersey. Davy V.'s work has been featured in publications such as THE SOURCE Hip Hop Magazine, URBAN AMERICA Magazine, The Ave. Magazine, Insider Magazine, La Voz Newspaper, Minority Reporter Newspaper, CNY LATINO Newspaper, DOWN Magazine, as well as on television news stations, and programs such as CNN and Inside Edition. In addition to his freelance writing, Davy V. also writes a monthly Op/Ed Column for LA VOZ Magazine and Minority Reporter Newspaper. In June 2012, Davy V. joined Cop Block as a regular contributor.
  • Locke

    I have a soft spot in my heart for skateboarders – to this day I’ll still rock a half pipe at any chance I get. Skating is NOT a crime. The officers need to stop harassing the kids to the point where the kids think recording them is necessary. On the other hand the kid holding the camera need not be stirring the pot.

    The kid will hopefully mature with age, but the officer needs to grow up and check his ego immediately.

  • certain

    Next week on Davy’s Hard Hitting Journalistic Adventure Show –

    Cop recorded not washing his hands after using potty. Don’t miss it.

  • Locke

    Sorry, forgot kudos – Nice job, Davy V! If you happen to have the name of the kid filming – give him a little mentorship advice, and he may find a calling

  • Locke

    Certain, the officer didn’t handle himself awfully, but certainly could have been more professional. It is worth addressing. Maybe even start with leaving the kids alone.

    Respect for LEOs must be earned, it doesn’t just come with the badge. This does not do that.

  • Jason Free 123

    More fucking bullshit from racist Davy V. Skateboarders are a problem everywhere. The fucking kid in this video had it coming. He is a fucking minor. His rights are determined by his parents and what the police say. The officer did his job. The kid was swearing and it is against the law. Fucking cunts like Davy V don’t even show the whole video because it would make the kid look bad. Guess what you racist piece of shit, the kid looked bad anyhow.

    Ron Paul says, “All activists lie all the time everytime”.

  • YankeeFan

    Troll,

    If you are going to troll, at least be somewhat correct. Rights have “nada” to do with police and swearing in public is a free speech issue all day, everyday! Live with it, fucktard troll!!

  • Don Francisco

    “You can’t swear in public”

    Lol

  • Locke

    “Skateboarders are a problem everywhere”

    Not at all, nor are bicyclists or people walking their dogs.

    “The kid looked bad anyhow”

    Oh really? Please expand on this…

    My favorite is complaining about swearing, though… Jason, if there is one activity you’d seem hypocritical maligning, that is it. You need not touch that with a 10 foot pole.

  • steve

    Why even comment on this , its a good catch by the kid but an idiot has his name on it.Another rant from davy.The kid would have made this much better but the idiot somehow got hold of it.

  • RadicalDude

    Well done, I am impressed someone so young is so wise beyond his years, hopefully he can be an example to other kids on how to not get brainwashed by the public school system and think for themselves.

  • Shawn

    @Jason

    You lack any sense at all.

    “His rights are determined by his parents and what the police say.”
    The police have NO say in the matter of what his rights are. Where in the world did you get that?

    “The kid was swearing and it is against the law.”

    Where did you get that? And that is rich coming from your mouth. You and those cops have one thing in common. You make up shit as you go.

  • steve

    THANK YOU SHAWN

  • Justin

    CLICK ON PHOTO
    From left to right; Minister Florence, Al Shapton, and my Dad, Mario Vara in 1991,
    before I marched with them in downtown Rochester, NY.

    LMAO!! Are we going to see this on every new article you post Davy?
    Do you really think anyone gives a damn that you “marched” with one of the countries biggest racist pile of shit?

    Ohhhh I maarched with Al Sharpton….ohhh I’m soooo cool, let me post this with all my lies and fake credentials!

  • Justin

    Swearing in public may not be illegal, loitering on the sidewalk is still a violation. What we don’t know, there is always something left out of all these videos, is what led up to this? We’re these kids skateboarding on private property that they have been told to stay off of?
    While I agree, this cop was a jerk, what he did and said did not amount to any form of corruption or abuse. So they shook these kids up a bit, big deal, they moved on right? We don’t know what the other officer was telling them, can’t hear him. He could have been issuing a warning not to skate in a certain parking lot again, we just don’t know.

    Davy loves posting these stories, because there are so many variables that are not shown, all anyone has to go on is what Davy says…..and we all know how much he likes to twist the truth and straight out lie…..

  • Shawn

    @Justin

    ” While I agree, this cop was a jerk, what he did and said
    did not amount to any form of corruption or abuse.”

    Hiding behind his badge while being an ass, and using his badge to make illegal threats IS a form of corruption and abuse. Corruption isn’t only taking bribes and planting drugs. And big corruption usually starts with small corruption not punished.

  • EvilRadicalDude

    Kid was being an ass. Typical for kids these days it seems. However, the cop wasn’t much better.

  • steve

    Who knows what led the cop to run the kid away, the cop was unprofessional. This story has stink on it.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    The way I see it, the kid was taping this and running his mouth so he can prove to his lil kiddie friends that he’s a badass to be reckoned with. That said… I’d like to know what lead up to this and just as everyone knows, anything posted by Davy “I steal your tax dollars by claiming fraudulent disability” Vara is viewed with a very jaded eye.

  • Shawn

    @31B

    Regardless of what led up to it, the cops handled it poorly. Claiming laws that don’t exist and making arrest threats they can’t back up. What it really boiled down to, is contempt of cop. The cops didn’t get their ‘due’, and used their badges to act out.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Shawn,

    I didn’t add to the redundancy of comments because I agree with them in this case.

  • Justin

    Man, I just wish for once everyone would see what kind of person Davy really is, including the people that run this site.

    Davy is always bitching about people using pictures of minors, but yet he has pictures of police officers kids on his personal Facebook account.

    He made a fake page using a name I used on an account to comment on his RPD exposed page, put pictures of his own kids on it, then took screen shots of it to plaster all over and claim it was me. Even had his daughters mother emailing me about it, because he is legally not supossed to have his daughter around his activism stuff, including using her pictures anywhere he posts his activism BS, so I guess that makes him in violation of a court order, since he has her pictures on his page with all the pictures and lies about the police.

    Davy wants people to believe I am stalking his kids, said I have been for 6 months now….. I don’t know how that’s possible though, because I don’t know where they live, if their mothers are smart, none of them live with Davy, and I’m sure they don’t, since he has all this time to run around chasing cops!
    And how exactly do you pay for child support Davy? With our tax money???
    And you have the balls to bitch about cops??

    My only hope for humanity is that your little stay in the hospital was a precursor of things to come, you already don’t look healthy, I hope it’s true that you are not. Karma has a way to get back at evil people, and trust me, you got your karmic revenge coming, I can see it in your face.

    I’m tired of you trying to make me out to be something I am not! And I won’t just sit back and let it happen, you want to play dirty,, you have yet to see anyone play dirty with you Davy!
    You are such a tough guy, you can tell at crowds of people while you stand in front of a cop, but can you do it standing on your own? You knew if something happened, no matter what that cops feelings about you, you were protected! You are a joke plain and simple, all talk, no game!

  • Jason Free 123

    Shawn you fucking cunt – The parent’s determine what rights their children have and don’t have. The fuckign little shit in this video was way out of line. Of course the first part of the video is lying on Davy V’s floor. Where that kid was skating, it is illegal to use profanity. You are too fucking stupid like that cock gobbler steve. The police have a lot more say over a minor then anyone else you fucking cunt. A police officer can let a person over 18 be released to a friend. A teen has to be released to his/her parent’s or legal guardians. Again you and that faggot butt buddy of yours Steve need to really review the laws

    All activists lie all the time everytime.

  • YankeeFan

    The parents decid his rights but profanity isn’t illegal. That will not stick. Police tried that in Pennsylvania by using disorderly conduct to cite those that cursed in public and the ACLU threatened to take the State police, the Pittsburgh police and a few others to court and they settled realizing they were wrong. Cussing in public isn’t obscene, it is a 1st amendment right. He maybe a rude bastard but no court will sustain a criminal citation against a minor when it’s a 1st amendment issue!

  • Shawn

    @Jason

    “Shawn you fucking cunt – The parent’s determine what rights their children have and don’t have.”

    Yes, the PARENTS do, not the cops as you claimed. As for out of line, the cop was out of line. Not that you care.

    “Where that kid was skating, it is illegal to use profanity.”
    Really? What statute would that be? And cops are some of the most foul mouthed people around. So foul a recent article had a woman questioning whether the guys at her door could really be cops.

    “The fuckign little shit in this video was way out of line.”
    Why? Because he didn’t automatically suck cop dick like you do?

  • steve

    MORE SHIT FOR DAVY’S SEWER

  • Common Sense

    I think, unless Davy V is getting his head stoved in on a traffic stop, I”ll just skip his postings. They are worthless.

    Oh, and since no one actually looked up the statute/ordinance, in Irondequoit, its a violation…

    D. Disorderly conduct. No person shall use profane language, engage in lewd or licentious acts, engage in any sort of disorderly conduct pursuant to Penal Law § 240.20, as amended or changed, or otherwise interfere with the orderly use of Town property by other persons.

    I don’t think skater boy is gonna have the ACLU jump on his bandwagon. Sorry.

  • YankeeFan

    Common Sense,

    I also do not think any cop would try citing him either. Sorry, but everywhere that cops have tried to control profane language with disorderly conduct or some other statute, they have lost. The A.C.L.U. 2 plus years ago went after most of the law enforcement entities in Pennsylvania and forced them to stop their unconstitutional practices. Google it to see for yourself. One woman was cited in her home for cussing at an overflowing toilet.

    All it takes is 1 person to challenge such a citation for cussing in public to get it changed. You know this is one of those unconstitutional laws. You can’t stop that kind of free speech with criminal/civil citations regardless of it’s content!

  • Jason Free 123

    Shawn are you truly this fucking stupid? As I pointed out, the police officer has more discretion regarding juveniles. They can detain a child as they see fit. There are many cities with antiprofanity laws. Look it up asshole. The kid was out of line big time. You will stand up for a minor because you can relate to a minor which is scarry. That is how pedophiles start. You have been proven wrong as usual.

    Ron Paul says, “All activists lie all the time everytime”.

  • Keith

    From Reason: “Earlier this year, a 12-month study by Cambridge University researchers revealed that when the city of Rialto, California, required its cops to wear cameras, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent and the use of force by officers dropped by almost 60 percent. Watched cops are polite cops.”

  • YankeeFan

    Those laws when challenged get ruled unconstitutional, period. It is a free speech issue like it or not. You can’t stop free speech with laws, even if it is profanity. Go look up what happened in Pennsylvania, douchebag, when the police tried using disorderly conduct to stop profanity in public, they lost to that dreaded A.C.L.U. Trust me asshole, if a guy guy can walk into court with a jacket that says “fuck the draft” and have that ruled free speech, I think some minor dropping an F-bomb in public isn’t going to be any issue at all. I do not like it, but to bad. It’s free speech!

    I would ask you if YOU work this hard to be stupid but with you, it’s a way of life!

  • YankeeFan

    Here is one for you, asshole. Why do you think vagrancy laws have been ruled unconstitutional? Because they interfered with the 1st amendment. Some courts do not accept loitering as well if used to try and stop free speech. Same with disorderly conduct! Laws that are used to prohibit free speech will either be ruled unconstitutional or be tossed in court.

    Remember asshole that recently Illinois had it’s wiretapping law ruled unconstitutional because it was stopping free speech. There are lots of small podunk towns that have those laws that have not had any serious challenge.

    See the pattern here? Laws that come in between the citizen and the 1st amendment are abolished or are ruled unconstitutional because like it or not, cussing in public is free speech! Live with it!

  • Justin

    LMAO! Is this really even worth fighting over? For one, its a Davy V story, that in its self is a joke! Second, they cops walked away and let the kids leave…No citations, no calls to parents….So…Why are you guys wasting the time even fighting about this?? Like I said before, you dont know what happened prior to this video, maybe a local business told them to leave the property, maybe they were causing some kind of disturbance in front of someones house, we dont know, and never will. This isnt even a story, its just bitching about an interaction with cops. So what if the cop lied to the punk ass kid, why does it matter? We heard the kid, I’m sure is no angel anyways.

    Pick your fights, this one is pointless.

  • Jason Free 123

    Annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer – Again ytou are fucking wrong. The laws that pass regarding public profanity have been on books for years and 99% stay on the books. So you have lied again. You just continue to make shit up as you go. Again, you have been proven wrong. Using profantiy in public is not part of the free speach. It has been ruled that way jack ass. Don’t worry Rumpelstiltskin, your bipolar will crash and you will be sleeping 24 hrs a day. Then when you wake up you will be back trolling this board making lies and being proven wrong until you crash again and the cycle will start over again.

    Ron Paul says, “All activists lie all the time everytime”.

  • YankeeFan

    Jason,

    Only small towns keep them. How many large towns/cities allow for the use of laws to stop profanity? None? Like I said, dildo, Pennsylvania had to settle with the A.C.L.U. for doing exactly that. The Pennsylvania State Police, Pittsburgh PD and many others had to settle and retrain officers that cussing in public is protected speech and not disorderly conduct. Go read case law dumbfuck. Start with Cohen V California. As long as it’s not fighting words, dropping f-bombs is free speech, like it or not!

  • YankeeFan
  • Common Sense

    YF,

    The ordinace is valid, whether its enforced or not is a case by case basis.

    I think people fail to understand what it actually means when a court overturns, or rules invalid certain laws or statutes. Until someone in Irondequoit marches it to the state Supreme Court who then favors the cited/arrested, the law is very much valid.

    If the state decides to appeal, then to on to the next level. But all the while, that specific law/ordinace is valid and those who are in violation, can be cited/arrested/fined again and again. Its not like one person wins an appeal or their charges are dismissed at trial and then, magically, the statue vanishes.

    I disagree that the ACLU is gonna dive on this. Just like local jurisdictions who’ve adopted ordiances about those who wear their pants sagging around their ass. Its a valid ordinance until either repealed or overturned at the higher levels of justice.

    I also read about the ACLU. They were “settlements” – an agreement between them (ACLU) and the state police. I’d have to see the actual wording but its nothing that removed the statute from the books. Its still able to be enforced by other agencies. The case in Pittsburg just said that there were “too many” people cited. So the city agreed to write less.

  • YankeeFan

    Common sense,

    My point is that general cussing isn’t going to be cause for a citation that will hold up on appeal as long as it isn’t fighting words or incites violence. Spend time looking at court rulings and you will see it is being declared free speech. In 5 minutes I found 2 state supreme court rulings from 2 different states that declared it constitutional as it didn’t rise to the level of fighting words.

    The issue in Pennsylvania was even on the front page of the drudge report. There was a big headline that announced the settlement. Basically it was to stop using disorderly conduct against people who cuss. One woman was cited in her own home for cussing at her toilet.

    But, I agree that this is no biggie but if you spend any time researching, you will see when it comes to the general use of curses, it has been declared to be protected speech over and over and over. Hell, even flipping off/cussing at police has been ruled free speech as long as it doesn’t cross into fighting words.

    P.S. I am not arguing against you on the validity of the law. I am only saying if you take a peek, you will see that general cussing is protected as courts have ruled on this. Remember Cohen V California! Thats the only point I am maiing!

  • YankeeFan

    **making**

  • YankeeFan

    Common Sense,

    I guess to get to the main point. I have always been consistent in the law is the law. That doesn’t take into account whether it is right or not. Remember, Illinois made it illegal to carry guns at all until they were forced to change that and come into line with the other 49 and their wiretapping law was so bad it isn’t worth mentioning but you could have said they are valid. The direct question is, what do you think? Do you believe that someone who uses general profanity. The type that doesn’t incite or stir violence and isn’t fighting words, should be criminalized or at the minimum warrant a civil fine?

    I am asking out of curiosity is all!

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Ya gotta keep in mind that the illegality of profanity on the streets goes back to common decency laws in the days of yore. As a LEO, I have, in general, no qualms with someone cussing. It doesn’t bother me so much as they’re simply words. Someone walking down the street and a gust of wind blows money out of his hands is going to incite a curse word as he or she tracks the cash down and retrieves it. Incidental use of swear words… meh. So what? He or she is an adult.

    But I take exception with minors cursing. I will admonish the child to mind his tongue. Why? Because you know damned well that his or her parent would pop him or her square in the mouth for that type of misbehavior. I know many of the parents on my particular beat. I’ve had the same one for many years and when I hear or see their young child or grandchild, nephew or niece misbehave or swear, I’m gonna make sure to bring them in front of their elders so they can be dealt with appropriately. It’s nearly foolproof. The child will learn from his or her family.

    If it were an adult and he or she is cussing up a storm, and creating a disturbance, I’ll take the situation in its totality and use my discretion to deal with the situation. It could end up being a muni cite of disorderly conduct – which is a money only penalty or it could be a state level misdemeanor.

    My guess, in this case (and I didn’t do any research) that the officer would have issued a muni cite if he was going to cite at all.

  • YankeeFan

    31B

    I agree, I am no fan of minors cussing ether. I would venture a guess if he had been cited, it would have been dismissed after the judge talked to him. My son at 16 was cited by a Citrus Heights for no helmet and the judge dismissed it after some funny takes from the bench. There were like 5 kids in total. Unless they are driving, most likely it’s a talking to and dismissal.

    As to the going off sort to speak, I agree, if they are creating a disturbance, then it needs to be handled but someone just dropping a casual f-bomb, that’s a different matter. Common is right that there are valid laws on the books, but you might be surprised to see they are old laws or are being misused. Was wiretapping meant to be used against citizens who record police officers in public? Illinois had such a law and the link up above I pasted referenced the North Caroline Supreme Court ruling regarding the profanity law from 1913 to be unconstitutional.

    To use simple baseball terms. When we see the game play out, how does it usually end. The state court is the 6th inning, the Federal courts 8th and the Supreme to be the 9th. At the end, we usually see the courts favour of free speech almost time after time as long as the speech isn’t intended to cause violence or isn’t fighting words! I am excluding the minor portion for general conversation purposes!

  • Common Sense

    YF

    I really don’t care about the profane language. But I’m sure there would be a different opinion if someone is outside a middle school yelling for all the niggers to go back to Africa. I guess how would your community feel if Westboro showed up to discuss with the children how the fags are gonna shoot up their school.

    I do agree, that the ordinance was stupid but then again, the law/ordinance exists, duly enacted by elected officials.

    I once brought up the point that for all the time Ron Paul sat in Congress, he got rid of zero stupid laws in his state. For one who championed liberty, Texas’ sodomy laws weren’t abolished until early 2000 and not by legislation, but by judicial review.

    The court can voice their opinion, but yet the law still remains. I think it was also in Illinois that wiretapping still exist and someone can still be arrested for recording the police.

    I do agree, the law is the law. I remember reading one about colored baby chicks in vending machines or “harassing” squirrels.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Yank,

    Lets stay on topic here. We’re not talking about wiretaps or missing helmets here. We’re talking about kids swearing. It’s not rocket surgery to know that a kid shooting off his mouth can be cited for disorderly conduct.

    Looking at the video again, it seemed to be loud enough to goad a reaction from the officer.

  • YankeeFan

    31b

    Then you missed my Point!

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Yank,

    I see your point as apples and oranges. If I’m missing something, lay it out for me.

  • YankeeFan

    31B

    I was making the point that kids are usually not going to be in a position to pay these muni fines. I used my son as an example. If he had been cited, it more than likely would have been dismissed!

  • YankeeFan

    31B

    I am sorry that my attempt at a broader discussion failed with you as it apparently has! To me, the concept of your brothers and sisters in blue using laws like disorderly conduct against those that cuss in public is interesting and discussion worthy!

  • Jason Free 123

    annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer – You don’t have any fucking human children. You are lying again. Everytime you go by a sheep farm you point out which sheep are your children. Of course when you go by a chicken ranch you say the same thing. Your bipolar disease is making you more crazy then usual. You can’t fuck sheep and then make claims you have children. I’m sure if the farmer did a blood test on the sheep it would show you are the father of many of them. You are a sick fuck!!!

    Ron Paul says, “All activists lie all the time everytime”.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Yank,

    I’m not sure about where you are, but here in Wisconsin, the parents are held liable for their child’s behavior. If a child was cited here, he or she still must pay somehow. Either via community service, $10 bucks a month till the fine is paid or the parents have to step up and pay.

    But looking at your entry about your son, you don’t make mention as to why it was dismissed. Just that it was dismissed. So on its face, as you wrote it, that’s just some case of not wearing a helmet getting dismissed. Your son got a finger waving and an admonishment.

    We’re talking about blatant misbehavior here. I don’t think not wearing a helmet on a bicycle, skateboard or whatever the wheeled conveyance may be rises to a child shooting his mouth off.

  • YankeeFan

    31B

    I could have phrased it better but I would have thought the age implication was obvious. I am not sure here either to be honest. It was dismissed due to his age. That was my point about if he had been cited. I believe it would have been dismissed for the same reason, although, that’s speculation.

    I was only trying to have a broader discussion about that type of behaviour when applied in general specifically to adults. That many in your profession found it disorderly when they were cussed out or given the finger and how it was ruled free speech. I saw it as an interesting discussion. Common sense seemed to get that part!

    But, I’ll keep it on topic and say again, he was loud mouthed and could have been cited. Yes 31B it isn’t rocket science!

  • YankeeFan

    OH, Citrus Heights is an incorporated city near Sacramento. So you can say Sacramento, California!

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Yank,

    OK so it was a citation for not wearing a helmet. That’s no biggie. If anything I probably would have just admonished the kids myself. But again, we’re talking about a 15 year old kid, shooting his mouth off and not about some kid who didn’t wear protective gear.

  • YankeeFan

    C

  • YankeeFan

    Common,
    From what I read, the law was declared unconstitutional and when that ruling was challenged, SCOTUS refused to take the case. Now, I am no legal expert so I do not know what that really means but I can tell you that arrests for filming police under the wiretapping law will most likely end in dismissals of the charges and law suits!

  • YankeeFan

    31B

    I agree not the same. I do not personally think he would have had to pay. I guess it would have been up to a judge though. I was only speculating.

  • YankeeFan

    31B

    No hard feelings, eh? I am not Canadian by the way!

  • YankeeFan

    Common,

    I know this isn’t on topic but I found this about the Illinois wiretap law ruling and this piece seems to make the most sense!

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130806/17370224085/il-county-attorney-declares-hell-selectively-enforce-wiretapping-law-found-unconstitutional-seventh-circuit-court.shtml

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Yank,

    Never any hard feelings when it comes to a mature discussion or debate.

  • Common Sense

    YF

    Its something that most who comment here don’t get. The levels of justice and what exactly they mean in their opinions and decisions. It doesn’t really matter if its swearing in public or wiretapping, its the process that matters. I think people forget that the state can appeal too.

    Even if Muellers case is decided in his favor and the his conviction is overturned, the state can appeal to the next appellate level. If the state wins, Muellers side can seek relief at the next level. That’s why its very important to actually read the decisions.

    I think that’s what the IL DA is doing but the USSC declined. I wonder what would have happened had they took up the case. The case was sent back to the lower level and the DA opted to dump the case. I think of Arizona v Gant and the gamble they took and lost.

  • ARCHANGEL275TH

    Good job to everyone on this post for not indulging the idiot that calls himself Jason Free 123
    I love that he keeps trying to enter the discussion and no one is listening.