Citizens try to stand up for their rights but are quickly denied by ignorant …….

Published On June 11, 2011 | By Rob | Articles

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I personally give every person in this video a lot of credit as all of their arguments are valid. Good for them standing up for what they believe in, and what an embarrassment for the town of Cedar Falls

“Ordinance #2740( An unfunded city-wide mandate) was passed with a resounding 6 to 1 vote, and it allows for the citizens of Cedar Falls to forcefully give the government keys to their comercial properties through universal ‘lock boxes’. The intent of the program is to provide increased safety and protection to personal, private property which include businesses, apartments and some rental houses– which by the way– comes at the expense of furthering wayward erosion of fundamental constitutional rights.”

“Vote NO on Ordinance 2740
This is a petition to tell the city council of Cedar Falls to vote NO on ordinance 2740.  Ordinance 2740 is an unfunded city‐wide mandate forcing the citizens of
Cedar Falls to install “lock boxes”  on all commercial property, including apartments and multi unit rental properties. In which the city would have a master key
to all “Lock Boxes”.   By passing Ordinance 2740, it will greatly increase the risk for businesses to incur property damage, equipment/supply theft, confidential
information stolen, and will also compromise employee safety.   Please return to 1521 Technology Parkway, Cedar Falls or call 319-504-1771″

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  • Jeff

    Things like this just seem so unbelievable to me. Imagine the government coming to you and saying. We would like keys to your house please so we can help protect you. It would be unimaginable and hilarious if it not for the fact that it so close to happening. How has it come to this? Where is the outrage? Sometimes I just want to scream is anybody else seeing this?

  • http://Difster.blogspot.com Difster

    Completely INSANE! I hope those people get thrown out office very quickly.

    I almost wished I lived there.

  • http://www.militantlibertarian.org Aaron

    Citizens should demand that they, in turn, should have keys to all government buildings, offices, and the homes of all public officials as well.

  • Sal

    The first priority of any government is not to keep people safe. It is to protect their freedoms which supersede governmental power.

    The arrogance on display begs for a mass recall of all those who voted in support of the ordinance. Kick them out of office – make it clear that such violations of individual freedoms and privacy will not be tolerated.

  • Acunn1

    They are “lock boxes” , they are called KNOX BOXES. There is a box on the front of the building. It contains keys to that building, access is through a coded signal sent from the fire/police dispatch to a box in the fire engine/police car. Then the key from the fire engine is used to open the KNOX BOX on the front of the building. This allows for rapid entry in case of a fire alarm , without damaging the property. A record of who is requesting the access, when and for what reason is kept, there by preventing a uncontrolled access to the building. It is a lot cheaper to install a KNOX BOX than to replace a door or window that was opened to allow for the access.

  • Daniel

    Wow. People really ARE that stupid. Six idiots of that dementitude actually got elected!

    The corect response of the citizens of that city is to inform these fools that they will not comply. As the dolt councilman put it, “Merit of an idea does not depend on the number of people who hold that idea.”

    He’s technically right, but his words are more poignant with regards to resisting the type of tyranny he’s promoting. As Madison put it:

    “There is no maxim in my opinion which is more liable to be misapplied, and which therefore needs elucidation than the current one that the interest of the majority is the political standard of right and wrong…. In fact it is only reestablishing under another name a more specious form, force as the measure of right….”

  • http://twitter.com/TL TL

    Can’t believe this. Crazy ideas like this are popping up more and more, and so few people ever actually take notice.

  • http://www.militantlibertarian.org Aaron

    Acunn1 – so… because this new technology could save money, they should all be FORCED to use it? Ya, that’s freedom for ya.

  • http://www.rashynullplanet.com/blog/ Matt

    Kamyar Enshayan: “It doesn’t matter how many people are in this room, we have to protect everyone.”

    What Kamyar doesn’t tell you is the “or else” part. He’s going to “protect” you whether you want it or not.

    You’ll do what aspirant overlord Kamyar imagines is best for you, or you’ll pay a punitive fee, or be fined, or otherwise punished, because he and his fellow aspirants imagine they know what’s best for everyone.

    That idiot Kamyar and his cabal ignore the fact that they inflict themselves upon people who explicitly reject their “services.”

  • Acunn1

    I wasn’t implying that they should be forced to use the knox boxes. Just that it is a cost effective way to allow for official entry to a place of business.

  • Tom B

    I do understand what you are saying Acunn1. The real issue is FORCE. The government is FORCING people through legislation to do something against their will potentially placing their own property and safety at risk for the promise of added safety and security. Believe me, I am all about enhancing both, but to mandate it steals from liberty and freedom. I looked at the boxes, and yes, they are indeed incredibly secure, but just the idea of being *forced* is something that takes away from the security the obvious vault-like design would provide. It comes down to trusting the folks with the master keys. And that means trusting government. Government has been eroding that trust since its inception.

    It would have been a much easier thing for the people to take had this been a fully voluntary system. Insurance companies could have increased their business by offering a “false alarm forced entry” product to property insurance, and a discount to those who install these boxes.

    Forcing people to do this is not the right way. And I have faith this will go to the courts if passed. Unfortunately, given the shear number of locals forcing the use of these boxes already, I fear that any suit brought on by the people will fail in the courts. The fourth amendment argument is a logical and sound argument, but the fourth amendment has been trampled on for so long and the idea that government is to provide us our security has been in place and abused for so long, it will make the people who don’t want this seem like the criminals when they indeed are the victims.

  • http://abstractionphysics.net Tim Rue

    The People of Cedar Falls need to grow some balls and arrest those who have pursued and passed this anti-constitutional forced BS, on charges of treason. As to the key box. “If we make it we can break it”, and someone will, be it the signal system and/or the physical box including any secondary alarm connected to the box. Electronic systems fail and key locks can be drilled through. Simply put electronic systems are not 100% reliable and given earth changes and solar activity reliability is going to decrease in the next few years (Ask NASA) Of course a thief would simple go for a master key and any anti-electronic method needed. And an inside job takes what mentality that we have seen here in this possibility denial event? How is there verification that a key was returned to a box, be it the key box to the building or the fire truck in a timely manner and not duplicated or patterned or lost in an emergency? i.e. Key is officially used and not returned to box until next official use. How many have master keys? Remember electronic fail and even if they don’t its a good excuse for access or access failure. Physical key and duplication is all that matters to a thief(s). Never count on the Police or Fire department to tell you when your building was accessed, its not their job. A separate alarm system the Police and Fire Department don’t have access to activation code is the best defense in this unconstitutional act. But it not a prevention, only a notification if electronics is working which is a cost funded by who? Who’s got interest in the local alarm companies?

  • http://abstractionphysics.net Tim Rue

    I must add, the concept is not a bad idea, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. At best it should be a voluntary system with risks clearly stated no matter how unlikely but possible. Let the building owner/occupant weight the risks. People are corruptible and this includes police, fire department personnel and of course everyone know politicians are. Tenants can be placed in a situation of management/landlord claiming the authorities must have wrongly entered while the authorities claim it was the management/landlord, etc. when it really could be either or both. There are plenty of possible excuses in any situation where the victim can do nothing. I live in Atlanta and its certainly not uncommon to see media reporting of such corruption as mentioned. I have as well lived in an apartment complex where management, regardless of an electronic security box for apartment keys, which is often left open while keys are routinely given to third parties doing maintenance calls. Twice and in a short period of time they lost my key and twice over the years I have had management personnel entry to steal my property. And this is why I use two different locks, one they don’t have a key to and one for maintenance which must be scheduled (so that I know, while otherwise being secure of them losing keys. So I do know what I am writing about here in this and the above post. A country that sacrifices freedom in exchange for security will have neither. Do those who conceived and passed this anti-constitutional act know who all has said this and why? I bet they don’t! On the list of possibilities is an outright Nazi type of abuse. http://www.fox19.com/story/14879523/reality-check-indiana-police-can-enter-any-home-without-a-warrant and it is by setting little back alley precedence that our constitutional rights are subverted and denied. So I may not live in Cedar Falls but this effects everyone.

  • http://oooorgle.com oooorgle

    Cry constitution all you want. They do not give a fuck about you.

  • http://abstractionphysics.net Tim Rue

    About not respecting the Constitution and other founding documents of this country. The FEMA resources, (i.e. 180+ barbed wire detention camps across the US, 500,000+ 3-4 people cremation coffins, people triple decker train cars with handcuff bars, etc.) are not enough for the people of the US who will provably wake up in defense of the founding documents of this country, but about the right size for those who’ll pursue violation of the founding documents, from commanders down to their follower pawns and business associates. And that should be obvious. Not caring about some ideas and the people behind those ideas, works both ways.

  • Lucas L

    A`few thoughts:

    I always wonder what’s driving elected officials of these small municipalities to propose (promote) these types of ordinances.

    1. I cannot believe the Mayor and Council woke up one day and decided to make this a priority. Someone initiated the process. Who? Probably the Fire Chief.

    2. The primary “lock box” manufacturer is Knox Box, headquartered in Phoenix , AZ. A quick review of their promotional literature shows that they heavily market to fire department executives, often through an aggressive trade show schedule. This is probably the origin.

    3. These ordinances appear to have been passed all over the U.S. with what some would consider boilerplate language. Some states have a municipal league with sample ordinance language furnished to cities that wish to implement a lock box program. Some States already have this provision in their fire code statutes.

    4. Knox Box and other manufactures strongly support (financially) the industry organizations like the National Fire Protection Association, The Fire Chiefs Association, and the like by sponsoring conventions and conferences.

    5. Multiple family, densely populated housing like high rises, or in my area huge apartment complexes ‘secured’ by steel gates and fences, MAY for human safety be a candidate for this type of access. Property damage is not generally a consideration.

    6.IN THIS CASE THE GOVERNMENT NEVER HAS A KEY TO THE DOOR OF THE ACTUAL RESIDENCE, WHERE PRIVACY IS ASSUMED. The lock box seems to allow quicker access to an access point (door) which is secured by a ‘community’ gate or primary door.

    7.I’m unable to easily find any data that shows this access results in less property damage or fewer lives lost. There were 16,000 commercial structure fires last year (down from 35,000 25 years ago) and it seems only a small portion of fires occur during the day when people are present.

    8. I remain open minded but I think this is an idea (solution) looking for a problem. But hey the ordinance wouldn’t spend CITY money, it would spend an individuals’.

    9. It (the Cedar Falls ordinance) will likely pass. Citizens should organize, and vote out that tone deaf council. Arrogance in it’s finest form was on display by those council members.

    10. I’d also review ethics forms for contributions to local elected officials by PACs, organizations, and individuals associated with the fire industry. I’m sure such ties are present at some level.

  • http://abstractionphysics.net Tim Rue

    Its not ok to violate the constitution and or bill of rights so long as you vote out those who did it while you’ll continue to be subjected to the violation and the risks. else Who wants to take the next turn at taking away more rights? And where else has such an ordnance been put into effect and even if so, does that make it OK? People are corruptible, the Declaration of Independence makes that clear. Locks are for honest people, but adding in more locks for the dishonest only provides more potential excuses. They cannot verifiably secure master keys all the time and you don’t put your eggs all in one basket. One master key gets lost or suspected of illegal duplication, who pays for the replacement of all the lock box locks? Though technology advances it doesn’t mean fundamental concepts and principles change. It’d be more important for a fire department to have the proper equipment than to have keyed access. A grass fire from a car backfire caught a building on fire and the fire department around the corner didn’t have the right cup-links to the hydrants sooo, a four apartments building burnt down (true story). 1996 Olympic Centennial park bomb. Response to a bomb threat was delayed because the advanced technology required an address, but they forgot to give the park an address though everyone knew where it was. That would be terrible if failure to access the lock box was used as an excuse…more variables more possibilities of failure or abuse. Many fields in industry know this, including technology. K.I.S.S. – keep it simple s….

  • tim

    if there is a fire the fire department wont go to the lock box no time they will kick in the door heros a call for help the same police are heros. why they need your key to enter home when your not there. posibly for alarms that go off to check for intruders. good idea for volintear program to mandate it is wrong there will be abuse when time to reelect go with the other guy. We have heros out there dont turn them into an ocupation army protect are rights.

  • http://www.sympo.co.uk la melech

    Good luck to the citizens of Cedar Falls. The proposed legislation
    violates basic rights and is fraught with foreseem and unforeseen problems. If the whole town stands together, I guess the Council will
    back down… gracefully submitting to the wishes and happiness of the majority.
    from la melech London the United Kingdom.

  • Adrian

    This is yet another example of “police protection”. Right up there with “military intelligence”…

  • http://abstractionphysics.net Tim Rue

    Alarm system companies typically have a call list that included first calling the business to give a chance for someone to verify via password as to whether or not to proceed with calling law enforcement or fire department. People make mistakes and set off alarms. further on the call list are people who work there and can go there to let police in, in the event of an intruder outside business hours. The point being there are already other ways of dealing with such situations, not to forget the fact there are tools that can, with minimal damage, pop out a lock faster than a fire truck can get there in the event of traffic problems or busy putting out a fire the other side of town. Residential intruder? How did they get in that law enforcement would need a key supplied by a fire truck? There is theory and there is practical application.

  • AlvinB

    This would be a perfect opportunity for all the “conservative” posters to chime in and express their outrage at what is clearly a bunch of liberal do-gooder busybodies, possibly corrupt, sitting on that city council. The absence of their comments should be viewed as further proof they are merely pro-police shills, rather than serious participants in the discussion.

  • http://www.sympo.co.uk la melech

    Regarding the Council and Cedar Falls
    Possibly a voluntary system might be Ok where people sign up for a year to see how it works. They could either continue or pull out whenever they wished. The reason being that in some multi ocupied
    buildings the doors could be very heavy and difficult to open in a dire emergnecy. In such cases where there aren’t 24 hour porters etc. there may a case for a volutary system. There would need to be a guarantee of voluntary access to the service so that
    the Council could not change the terms whenever they wished.
    la melech London United Kingdom

  • http://none A. A. Martin

    This is how cities get around violating the 4th Amendment and the constitution on issues like this: when you accept fire or police protection from the city, you are unwittingly entering into a private contract in equity (aka an adhesion contract) with the city.

    The terms of these adhesion contracts permit the city to do whatever it deems reasonable in order for it to hold up its end of the contract, which in the case of fire protection, means granting the fire department access to commercial properties with sprinkler systems or alarms.

    Now here’s where it gets interesting: no one can be forced to enter into a contract. And since fire and police protection are contracts we enter into, explicitly or implicitly, no one can also be compelled to accept police or fire protection from the city just as no one is compelled to accept trash collection, water or sewer services from a city or town if one chooses to provide these service for oneself (such as through a private dumpster service, well or rain water collection system, and private septic system).

    The problem arises because the business owner has unwittingly entered into a private contract with the city (or town) by installing a sprinkler system or having an alarm which alerts the fire department. It is this contract where the business owner seeks the city’s services which in turn grants the city jurisdiction over the private business. The simple question to ask the city, or a judge when it goes to court, is this: “Please identify the instrument I signed which creates an attachment of equity jurisdiction between the City and me or between the City and my business.” The city will never answer this question. I have seen this firsthand, its attorneys will shuck and jive but will never, ever answer the question because if they did, the jig would be up. Once people realize they have unwittingly but voluntarily entered into all sorts of adhesion contracts with the city (as well as with counties, States, and the Federal Government), they might decide the costs of the contract outweigh the benefits. Such is already the case with the Cedar Falls lockbox ordinance where the risks associated with handing over the keys to one’s private property outweigh the highly statistically improbable chances of a fire.

    And it wouldn’t stop with the lockbox ordinance, once people understand they are compelled to do business with the city or county or State or Federal Government, it would greatly reduce the size of government everywhere. And with as big as governments have become and with as many people as they employ, employees who also vote buy the way, it is easy to see why governments keep the reality of the voluntary nature of adhesion contracts tightly under wraps.

    To learn more about this, read Invisible Contracts by George Mercier. It is available here as a free download: http://www.constitution.org/mercier/ Start by reading The Armen Condo Letter (incon000.txt).

    Enjoy and start putting to use the information you learn in order to reclaim our country.

    Yours in Liberty,
    A. A. Martin
    Author, A Tea Party Companion (available on amazon.com)

  • joe

    Fire the idiots !!

  • Sheepdog

    CITIZENS OF CEDAR FALLS. Shut off the TVs, DVD players, GameBoys, and whatever else is your favorite diversion, and pay attention. “NUTS” want to take over your town unless you throw these BUMS AND CREEPS OUT. Identify them and HEAP SHAME UPON THEM! Identify ALL town officials that are supporting this INSANITY and VOTE THEM OUT! Unless you like the idea of cops wandering into your homes and businesses “just looking around to make you safe.” then DO NOTHING and you’ll deserve what you get!

  • http://thestatesmen.org Eric Vought

    @Accun1:
    “A record of who is requesting the access, when and for what reason is kept, there by preventing a uncontrolled access to the building.”

    Maybe, but government has a bad track record of securing this sort of thing. Many cities have sensors on traffic lights which cause them to automatically change to green when an emergency vehicle approaches. First the cops started tripping the sensor just for convenience when it was not an emergency. Then a black market developed selling cloned devices to random individuals. At college, every dorm room lock opened to both its individual key and a master key for each dorm. I know a number of students who successfully got hold of the master keys and made copies.

    Can the lock boxes be fooled by a recorded signal? Can the database entries be fudged or altered? Can the lock boxes by jimmied? Installed incorrectly and insecurely? How long until black market devices are available to fool them?

    A lot of times, even if you trust the authorities, you cannot trust them to not let criminals (some of which may have badges) get access.

  • Jeremy

    This is not new. I used to be a volunteer fire fighter on a small town fire department. The town has 1 stop light and a gas station and a handful of businesses. The fire department and PD have a master key to knox boxes for all of the commercial buildings in town. Each fire truck and police cruiser have the key in it. Any of the nearly 30 people with fire department keys could go to the fire department, grab a knox box key and easily get into about 10 commercial buildings within minutes. There is no log in, no key pad, no cameras on the fire department door. I believe most towns in NH are in similiar situation. I don’t know if it’s voluntary or not. I know Concord fire and PD have keys to dozens and dozens of commercial buildings including banks.

  • http://copblock.org Eli Webber

    this is what happens when people let it happen .That is why whatever mandates are brought to the floor of local Government it should be voted on by by the people .and debated more .no backroom deals no hidden agenda by someone trying to sell something to the public by force. so all involved make a profit .its needs to be put in the hands of the people period ..all politics start at the local level.and there surely not immune to corruption..people have to start at that level to take back Government .when its doing wrong or abusing there power Esp. for there own agenda..

  • Mike

    In the county of San Diego they have a Knox Box system. This allows the Fire Department to access gated areas, closed buildings, apartment buildings with a single key. these keys are accounted for and kept in a locked box on each fire truck. I don’t see an issue with this. It’s a safety issue as proven by our last set of wildfires.

    These keys do not bypass alarms or cameras and aren’t use for anything but emergencies. I have seen the fire department enter a building on fire because of a knox box and save the building where if they didn’t have the key they would be fighting it from the outside.

  • Mike

    BTW The 4th amendment won’t cover you in an emergency. For police it would be considered an exigent circumstance and the police would not violate your rights.

    These are controlled keys people aren’t going to use to get into your homes. These keys are for commercial buildings, access gates, and access into apartment/condo buildings(not each apartment/condo).

  • http://crsmells.com Ajai

    Just because people are doing it in other places doesn’t mean it should be done in Iowa. Let this be a voluntary thing. I hope it doesn’t pass and the people of Cedar Falls wake up and elect new leaders.

  • josh

    Make it voluntary and there should be no problem with it, if some people want to let them have a key to their place then let them

  • http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/forum Ian MacLeod

    “That will be decided by an Authority Higher than you or I,” the man said, poor grammar aside. He reminded me of a priest. I expected him to put his palms together and piously look upward toward that “Higher Authority.” And the other one who said the merits of an idea does not depend on the numbers of people who hold that idea.” So much for any form of Democracy. “I believe we have the right to protect the people as best we can.” I don’t remember seeing that in the Constitution. Follow THAT “logic” out a little farther and I can see this guy putting everyone in jail so they know everyone’s location at all times and can protect them! Then another one insists that since no “higher authority” has ever ruled on THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION it can’t be unconstitutional. This group of people needs to be recalled AND to attend a 7th grade class on the Constitution. Shoving this idiocy down the people’s throats like this is definitely a good reason for recall! And mandate or no, I’d refuse, no ifs, ands or buts! I’d also work to get rid of these self-important fools.

    Ian

  • http://CopBlock,org Eli webber

    My point was ,it should be the people of that town, not a half dozen town selectmen behind closed doors or private mettings .let the people decide what to do with there private property. If you can call it that anymore, makes you wonder if you own anything in this country anymore .We are taxed to death on everything, things like this lead to more rules and more taxes .someone has to pay one way or the other.

  • Tony Berens

    I live in Hastings MN and the city council also demands that we have lock boxes installed. The city of Hastings got a grant, and has installed all of the boxes in Historic Downtown Hastings. The best part is that they are not installed according to Knox’s standards. But the fire departement’s spokesmen, John Townsend and Al Storlie say that it is good enough. NOT. I could knock the box off of the wall with a hammer and pry bar in less than 5 minutes. My cure, is easy. They will have the correct keys for less than 24 hours.

  • Tony Berens

    A few of the above people are making comments that it’s ok. Ever heard of a dirty cop ????? ever heard of a fireman who starts fires and then is the first responder ????? It is wrong, wrong & wrong. That is what alarm systems and a hatchet are for. Take the door down. We have insurance for that. If the box is installed incorrectly, the insurance company will not pay. I contacted Knox and asked what their liability was and they replied, you purchased the box, it is yours.

  • Tony Berens

    and yes, Mike, they are for each individual apartment