When Should You Shoot A Cop

Incredible article! I hope people take the time to actually read the full article after their brains shut down after seeing the “shock” title.

This article was great!! I love Larken Rose. He always speaks the truth.

I really do agree with most of this article and the general sentiments toward government agents. I think the biggest problem with the system, however, is that the offending agents don’t have any accountability. If they did, I would have an easier time letting them do what they think is their job, if only I knew they would be punished for it in the end.

If a cop enters my home illegally, I don’t really want to shoot him/her. I just don’t have that blood-lust. I would have an easier time with the illegal entry if I knew that in court, when it was deemed illegal, that not only would any evidence of my wrong doing be thrown out(which, lets be honest, does happen) but the police officer that committed what is now considered an illegal act would be fined or jailed like any other criminal. In the current system, my case may be thrown out, but the cop will only be told to “be more careful next time”.

I guess what I am really trying to say is that I wouldn’t want a world where common citizen’s are deciding what is legal/illegal at their front door, in a matter of seconds, when the cops show up. They should let the infraction happen, peacefully, but as long as an impartial judge would punish whichever side was actually wrong accordingly, I would be cool with that.

I think that would be a fair and more civil system of justice, but it will never happen so go nuts I guess.

I know the truth of this article first hand as I am currently in a legal fight with the LAPD after they entered my home without announcing who they were with their fists flying. Given this uninvited, unwanted assault, I fought back… mostly just tangling them up so they couldn’t hit me and keeping one in front of the other so they couldn’t effectively gang up on me. At first, there were only 2, then they called for help and there were 4 and a gun to my head with a threat to blow my f’ing brains out. I surrendered… and that’s when the clubs came out. They beat me to look like the elephant man after my hands were already zip tied and now I’m going to court for felony resisting arrest. :D

“Aside from the patent absurdity of it, since it amounts to giving thugs with badges PERMISSION to “break the law,” and makes it a CRIME for you to defend yourself against a CRIMINAL (if he has a badge)…”

Worth repeating. Think about that line for awhile.

Great writing.

Does Rose believe in IP?

Larry in Va, BS
you think misconduct is .0000009% of cases, you are SADLY
and GRAVELY mistaken.

And if you took time to finish reading the article, it clearly states that fighting for your rights obviously often has to give way to moral and rational reasoning for one’s own safety.

But the point of the article is, that these are our unalienable rights, and they are being taken from us, which is nothing but illegal, no matter who denies us them, a cop, a man on the street, or the government itself.

I would say for the most part cops are not a bad group. But they do have bad apples and the laws are totally nuts and unconstitutional. You would think someone would be able to arrest a politician that proposed an unconstitutional law in the first place. Maybe a citizens arrest for trying to break the law. I don’t know.

Sorry to hear about your experience, John! I hope you did not suffer permanent damage and that you prevail in your felony resisting arrest charge.

First off, it’s never OK to shoot anyone, ever.

Now, The points in this article are valid. There IS remedy!

I don’t have this all down quite yet, but the basics are this, were are a Trust, legal fiction.
In Trust Law there are three Roles, Executor, Beneficiary, and Trustee.
We have all been convinced that being the trustee is the way to go about life. (transferring liability to the .gov)
That puts them in the executor/beneficiary roles. Giving them executive power over all your affairs.
You have the power to take control of your ‘estate’, become the executor, appoint the public servants as your trustee. Then, you have control over your destiny and freedom.

Do you know what your rights are? What are rights anyway?
What is the difference between Statute and Law?
Why are Legal word definitions different than oxford english? (but sound the same) Example.. Person, Apply, Submit, Register

Who is looking out for your best interests?

I hope this brings up some more questions and you try to find the answers.

Namaste

Many State Courts have looked at this issue and even the U.S. Supreme Court touched on it in its April 30, 1900 decision in John Bad Elk v United States. The following link references many cases that deal with this issue: http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm
The title of the page is “Your right of defense against unlawful arrest”. I would not accept this info as fact without researching the actual cases myself….but as a listing, it is a starting point.
I am gathering this information for the purposes of research and writing a book. Anyone who has additional info or updated case law please post the link here.

Great article, but it is difficult to take you seriously when you use caps-lock for emphasis. That is childish and unprofessional.

Very nicely done, Larken!

Please write an article titled “when you should shoot a bureaucrat” That makes more sense to me.

This website is absolutely ridiculous!!! You should never shoot at a cop because when something puts your life in fear is call for police. Sure nit everyone is perfect but most negative police encounters are the bad persons fault. Cops/officers have families that they need to get back home to. Above everything safety is first and if someone threatens their life as officers they need to react. Most people that fight or run from the police are guilty. Ive never met a petson that is scared of the police that hasnt done anything wrong. For those people on this blig that talk so negative about police you should get with your local police department and ride with an officer and see how the day goes. I bet youll change your mind.

This article is dangerous. By employing empty and false logic, the author could swap weak minds to believe that there are no mechanisms in place to right the wrongful actions of the government and its agents.
One example is the misstatement of the holding in the Indiana Sup Ct case. The author suggests that because we are not allowed to shoot a cop that walks through the door of our house, the evidence that the cop seizes in such an illegal search or seizure will be used in court against us, voiding and nullifying our right. This is stated while completely ignoring the whole litany of US and State Supreme Court decisions on when evidence will be barred from trial based on the illegality of the search. Even more protection has been heaped on this protection in the form of the ‘fruit of the poisonous tree’ doctrine, which all states have accepted.
So, while you do not have the right to force the officer out of your home at that moment, your right to be protected against unreasonable searches and seizures has not lost its potency.
Further, in tort law, deadly force or serious injury force are not acceptable degrees of force in the defense of one’s property. Hence, there is no enablement of the government agents here. If a person breaks into your home and is going about stealing things, you are not allowed to shoot him, unless a reasonable person would believe that the intruder was threatening imminent bodily harm to the home-dwellers. Deadly and serious injury force are not acceptable in the defense of property, regardless of whether the government is the actor or not.
One more point. The author’s makes some grand false assumptions that are the underpinnings of his whole argument, and which, the falsity of, is fatal to the argument. One such assumption made is that ‘inalienable rights’ means that “you have the right to KILL “government” agents who try” to impede your exercise of those rights. This is not the definitions of the inalienable right. Source that. Find me where that is the definition. The framers certainly did not decide on that definition, otherwise, why would they have drafted the Constitution itself, creating a legislative body, a judicial branch, and the executive? They put these bodies in place to act as instruments to protect the people and to carry out the necessary government functions scribed as essential.
I do agree that there comes a point at which it is acceptable to kill a law enforcement agent, but that line falls for me far beyond the moment when a law enforcement official momentarily impedes my Bill of Rights privileges. Let us not forget that the Bill of Rights, itself, was an afterthought, and was only put in place at the objection of many of the great founders of this country as they feared that enumerating such rights would suggest that other rights were not as powerful.
One right that we see nowhere in the Bill or anywhere else, is the right constantly suggested in the above article: the RIGHT to kill a cop.

these people are outrageous. hes saying that just because a cop has a BADGE, shouldnt mean we no longer have the right to defend ourselves from harm. if someone breaks into my house illegally and threatens to shoot me with a gun if i move, i have the right to shoot that person in defense of my life, families lives, etc. now if that person has a badge on his chest that he was awarded for two years of education at a community college, well, then i cannot defend myself. i must take whatever this cop plans to dish out? no. and anyone who would is a coward. that little badge should never mean you are above the law.

The logical structure of this article is solid and well supported by empirical evidence and basic ethical considerations. Well done, sir.

It is always morally permissible — and sometimes even obligatory — to defend oneself against an assailant, including taking the assailant’s life when necessary. That is to say, when the assailant is, say, about to call 20 or so armed assailant’s to back him up and further terrorize you, it will be necessary to kill him before he can make the call, collect your belongings, and vacate to a secure location.

That the assailants wears a blue costume with a piece of tin on his chest does not change this fundamental fact. If he bullies, brutalizes, or terrorizes a peaceful person, he has forfeited his right to live. No tyrannical, arbitrary “law” can change this moral reality.

As the great 19th century radical Mikhail Bakunin said: “To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.”

Fight back, always.

The logical structure of this article is solid and well supported by empirical evidence and basic ethical considerations. Well done, sir.

It is always morally permissible — and sometimes even obligatory — to defend oneself against an assailant, including taking the assailant’s life when necessary. That is to say, when the assailant is about to call 20 or so armed assailants to back him up and further terrorize you, it will be necessary to kill him before he can make the call, collect your belongings, and vacate to a secure location.

That the assailants wear a blue costume with a piece of tin on his chest does not change this fundamental fact. If he bullies, brutalizes, or terrorizes a peaceful person, he has forfeited his right to live. No tyrannical, arbitrary “law” can change this moral reality.

As the great 19th century radical Mikhail Bakunin said: “To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.”

Fight back, always.

hahah i swear the stupidest fuckin comments on here about how cops dont need to be shut down, are coming from cops themselves posting on here….

seriously it seems that way… you would have to be a moron or living in a fuckin cave to disagree with this… or like i said before. a cop hahah

Grow a pair officer. You have the obligation to refuse the illegal orders. You are not in Iraq where your insane unit commander will suicide you for refusing those illegal orders.

If you break down a door, you have just broken the right to live another minute. The “no knock” policy is the tyrants creep into tyrany. There is no valid reason to break into a home unless you hear screams, and more often the only screams inside are coming after you break in. Never before the illegal ninth amendment violating war on some drugs, you never entered the home at night, NEVER.

The fact that GANGS without badges are doing the no knock entry, concider your self to be without a badge.

It is only the cost factor to sit and surround the home with a suspect inside that your watch commander is ordering you to break the law by entering anyones home. refuse that illegal order and tell your watch commander to take a hike. If you want to live another day, do the right thing. No life is in immediate danger until you break down that door. There have been thousands of cases of the police tyrant breaking into the wrong home and killing or crippling the home owner that broke no law. STOP IT.

So what excuse do you have for these illegal intrusions, expediency?? You deserve to die if you think that.

Follow the laws that are right, you have the right to refuse illegal orders so use it.

To the home owners, make your entry as tight as can be, make them funnel into a squeezed in area, and get ready to defend yourself fro mthe badged and unbadged home invasion.

@Giovanni – as almost every state has resisting arrest laws, I believe that Bad Elk merely mentioned in dicta that one has a right to defend themselves against wrongful arrest. I think Bad Elk mostly dealt with the propriety of jury instructions in light of the fact that the state law there allowed for resist against unlawful arrest – the decision was dependent on that, and as states have gradually overturned such laws, Bad Elk’s force and effect really only applies to interpretation of jury instructions, and isn’t binding law with regard to the substantive issue of resisting arrest. This is my take after only a very cursory read – but it would explain why state after state has been permitted to enact such laws, with no protest in the judicial system.

@Takaru – couldn’t agree with you more. Problem is, most people see police as gods, and the rest of us as ordinary humans. Thus, ordinary humans have a duty to yield to the gods when the gods are killing their children, raping their wives, or beating their disabled family members. Ordinary humans must obey the gods at all costs, and if they are fortunate, they can go through a slow, costly and risky court process later, which at best, will not result in jail or payments by the cop, but a payout by taxpayers. This is what it means to be a police officer-god in America, versus an ordinary peon.

@ giovanni.
Good points. It should be an inalienable right to defend your inalienable rights from being violated, with force if necessary. A bagde is nowhere near as powerful than our constitution.

I think you all can gain from this one case that happened in San Diego a few decades ago, 1985. Search for ‘Sagon Penn’ and add in +police +shooting.

He was tried twice and aquitted both times for using a cops gun on the officer. The police were not too friendly to us civilians after that, and I don’t think they ever have forgotten it.

@Dan – yeah, there are a lot of sick individuals out there, that’s for sure. And you’re definitely one of them. Did you completely miss the point of the article? Everything the Nazis did was legal. So I guess if it’s legal for Nazis to kill you, you have to sit there and take it up the ass? And if we apply it to American police, if it is legal for them to abuse, oppress, and kill people, then people have a duty to take it? You are out of your mind.

COPS ARE SCUMBAGS AND SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT. LET GOD FIGURE OUT THE GOOD ONES FROM THE BAD ONES.

at the person who didnt write their name.

Are you kidding me? Do you need a lesson on United States History?! people like you are so pathetic. I understand completely what he is saying in his article. I support the right to protect myself with deadly force regardless if the person wears a phony badge on their chest. The Bill of Rights WAS NOT created to maintain order!!! you moron. It was created to protect normal citizens from government intrusion. period. To protect us from overzealous police and politicians. Also, you fucking moron. He was speaking hypothetically when comparing nazi germany. I understand it is difficult for someone with an education deficiancy like yourself, so i will try to explain it how i would a 10 year old child. What the nazis did was a travesty; crime against humanity. Yet, their actions were absolutely legal by law. The point is, regardless of whether or not something is legal, it is not always right. The people who stood up against nazi opression and fought for there freedom were heroes regardless if they were actually in violation of law.

“… realize that laws are in place to maintain order, same reason the constitution was written on the federal level…” paraphrased.

If you continue to write statements like this, you will never be able to hide how absolutely uneducated you are concerning the united states constitution, and american history in general. Laws are created to maintain order, but also to opress. there is a thin line between what is maintaining order, and what infringed upon our freedom. incase you didnt know this, the constitution WAS written for the united states i.e. Everyone in the US; therefore, federal. The states adopted their respective constitutions after the fact, moron.
Not only do i have a clue, i think it is quite obvious to ANYONE who reads your uninformed post and then mine that you are completely dominated when it comes to the understanding of government and its functions as such. douchebag. Go to the library tomorrow, open a fucking history book, take some notes, then come back when your about 1% prepared to debate with someone who is obviously intellectually superiour to yourself, loser. If you dont like the fact that AMERICAN citizens should have the right to protect themselves from threat REGARDLESS of whom that threat may be coming from, then you are NOT an AMERICAN. Maybe born here, BUT no way a patriotic american by my standards, or by anyones standards who actually beleive in the constitution. The founding fathers created this country in spite of opression, not to found its own opressing mechanism. moron. People should have the right to be free from any and all unwarranted government intrusion, and have the right to defend themselves from said intrusions. read about the founding fathers and youll learn that YOUR ideals and philosophies on what it means to be AMERICAN, ARE THE OPPOSITE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS. YOUR A JOKE. GO BE A SHEEP.

I’m on Mr. Rose’s side 100%. First of all, this isn’t an article about when you SHOULD shoot a cop, it’s an article about when it would be morally RIGHT to shoot a cop. Those are different things. Obviously in today’s climate you would have to be very brave to shoot an evil man with a badge, as all his evil (and good) friends in blue would come chase you down. That means once you decide to do this you would almost definitely become a martyr for your cause, or just a cold, dead body no one cares about. The practical choice may well be to give in, but that doesn’t mean it would have been wrong to shoot.

But, with all of that said, after reading Mr. Joseph’s comment, I think I might change sides. I’m embarrassed to be in even passing agreement with such a hate-monger. Perhaps Mr. Joseph is a fake, a false-flag operation to make people hate those who agree with him, just because he’s a jerk – even if we’re not.

It is quite obvious the little men also known as piggies have their alterior motives. They claim the constitution is to oppress the Citizen,,, at the same time they go about arresting people for lawfully possesing arms,, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall NOT BE INFRINGED” show me the exception in THAT law. Yet how many times has the PIG used the illegal laws against arms, fire arms or martial art arms,,, all illegal law(s). Then they enforce laws violating the right to use intoxicants NOT the one enumerated as the worst chemical contraptions in alcohol is currently the only lawful intoxicant. OUR NINTH AMENDMENT says all intoxicants are the right of we the people to use as we wish, yet they have built up the policy state, police state using those ulawfull statutes to oppress we the people. These laws they enforce are to be violated at the WILL of the people and any law “enforcer” that continues to ignore our “laws” shall be the target and rightfully so until they refuse those orders to enforce illegal law(s).

If you wear the badge and you continue to enforce these unlawful laws you have given up your right to life. Simnple as that is, the piggies will continue to compare other nations to ours as if the minor tyrany here is worth the oppression.

If you searched for my prevous example of Sagon Penn and his trials after peacefully going about his life on the American streets,,, you will know it is our obligation to resist, and today unfortunately, that means to the pigs death because of the pigs attitude. The reason they pulled over that young man, which by the way was hoping to become a police officer, was due to the overly amped up search for another man and they were pulling people over left and right, no matter what they were peacefully doing.

Turn in your badge pig, or enforce lawful laws and not the illegal policy of the political tyrant. Our bill of rights was not an listing of what we as people are allowed to do, it is a restriction of what you as the representative of the governamnet can NOT do.

There is no legitimate reason to invade anyones home, as I said unless you actually hear screams coming from it BEFORE you enter. Just sit outside and wait, then all of the innocents in the future will still be able to live their lives and not becvaome another example of an pigs ‘oops’. The number sof those oops are growing daily, and what does the pig say afterwards,,, they just point fingers at others blaming them for their deadly errors.

STOP

The answer is: Self-defense and defense of family, and don’t wait till they start shooting (they are good shots!). My motto is: “Self defense is always right and is never illegal.” This, after a public defender told me I had no defense to resisting cops that were kidnapping my kids.

Defense of property: Will definitely get you in front of a jury, but does putting on a uniform give you immunity to the criminal code? No!

[[ Yes, I use my real name ]]

The above article is a basic conclusion that moral rules are universal, that they apply to everyone equally.

Opps! I inadvertently left a chunk of text from the article dangling at the end of my post. I’d appreciate it if it could be removed…
Thank you…

all cops are criminals, they deserve whatever happens to them.

Praetorian says: July 5, 2011 at 10:22 am “It’s never ever right to kill a cop. Are you peole out of your minds???? Wtf”

It is never right for a cop to kill an innocent Civilian, IN THEIR HOMES, are you piggies out of YOUR minds? The parades of funeral and police vehicles when a cop is killed,,, silence when they kill an innocent Citizen, even the cover up commences to put the blame on the dead innocent.

Can you see the problem here KoP.

Now if we had a nationwide policy of a cop must have his/her blood spilt first before they can make the claim of a threat to their life,,, so many innocent people would still be alive.

Your “It’s never ever right” shows the world where you stand,,, blind support for the cop right or wrong. Eat your service weapon now and save us the trouble.

Sad story but true. We celebrated Independence Day two days ago hear and I was like that’s odd, we have like half the freedoms we used to back when this country was formed. What has happened to America?

You guys sound like a bunch of terrorists running around trying to kill police officers

What about all the bad teachers out there? Or the bad doctors who take advantage of their patients? What about all the other evil or bad people in other professions? You guys are just bitter because you got a ticket or something and now your pissed off at the police. BTW I guarantee the ratio of murderers and rapist among police officers is lower then the that of the general populace, so should we kill them too…. hmmm, makes a lot of sense…..

@Rosy – you are wrong. The proportion of rapists and murderers in the police force is actually about the same as the average population. Actually, they commit sexual assault in higher proportions. Which is extremely disturbing. That means that if I walk down the street and see a random bum or a police officer, they are equally dangerous to me. See here: http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=3333 Go to the 2010 Q3 Crime rate comparisons chart.

BTW your big words are nice, glad your giving your dictionary a nice workout from behind your computer desk.

Yes Kevin, Rosy Palmer is an ignorant and no rosey, I’ve only witnessed pigs trying to kill someone because of their paranoia. I did have one pull his weapon to my temple a long time ago after they politely asked me to step out of my car,,, what fereaked him out is your guess too. I suspect he wanted to kill someone that day and I did not ablige him, telling him to holster his weapon and I’m not moving a pinky until he does. What was my initial crime, sitting low in the drivers seat at a beach park and reading a book propped up on my cars steering wheel. Maybe he hated readers, I don’t know.

thank god for the death penalty. Should someone read this and be brain washed into it and follow the act of killing a government agent you may also be held accountable for that crime. I love 2 for 1 specials.

Wastrel – a calm, (and sane) thinker… Well put.

@Wastrel
If you are referring to the hypothetical case in the July 1 @ 7:01 PM posting….
How do you suppose the Police Officer would prevent free speech without using force? As stated in the hypothetical case…. “He threatens you with arrest and will use any means necessary to take you into custody if you do not comply”
In what world would this case ever be confined to just free speech?
The case would never be confined to just a free speech issue unless the Patriot/Free Speecher was to back down…which he wouldn’t…because he doesn’t have to …he has acted completely legally thus far.
Now the situation has been escalated by the Police Officer from preventing free speech to potential false arrest, false imprisonment, battery, and threatened assualt with a deadly weapon (tazer).
Notice my hypothetical Patriot did not make any aggressive moves until the police officer reached for his tazer.
Thank God your type did not prevail in 1775-1783 when those radicals (Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Payne, etc) were fighting to gain our rights. I suspect many of the Torries (British sympathizers) would have thought like you do. It is in this context that I take your name-calling of “radical” as a compliment.
I would like to believe the title of the initial post “When should you shoot a cop ?” refers to cops who are acting ILLEGALLY. I think we would all agree that it is never acceptable to shoot anyone, cop or not, who is acting legally. You should read the full text of the US Supreme Court decision “United States v John Bad Elk”

@Jack Zeller
If you also are referring to the same hypothetical case…then read the whole post. Also, it wouldn’t hurt if you read “US v John Bad Elk” also.

Good article! The one point I disagree with is the mention of Branch Davidians – cult leader David Koresh and his mindless followers were hardly victims of law enforcement.

Koresh played the system as he had a death wish (because he knew in prison he’d be abused by fellow inmates for his many child-brides who bore him children). Don’t make him into a martyr.

– Louise

Not so minor nitpicking point:

The constitution does not give us any rights, those rights are inherent in all humans by our very nature as humans, the constitution was supposed to delimit and constrain the federal government and, by extension, the state and local governments, via further amendments. The first ten amendments to the constitution were supposed to be a list of those things that the federal government and, by extension, state and local governments were NOT PERMITTED TO mess with. Hence, the cop attempting to violate an individual’s free speech, for example, would be an illegitimate act on the part of the cop, whick would throw it into the Bad Elk case.

Furthermore, via the Padelford case, the constitution does not apply to regular people, only to the government, as it was supposed to be a document that limited and constrained what the government was permitted to do.

Unfortunately, the beast was let out of the cage as a result of the whiskey rebellion, in my opinion.

@Phil,
So you read an article about civil liberties and social injustice, and the only thing you can thing about by the end is to demonize homosexuality, and in the next sentence show that you yourself are a latent homosexual?! You want another man to be on his knees in from of you? Are you a cop, because you sure talk like one. Having a badge and a gun doesnt make you a hero. You talk a big game, but in reality, thats all it is. its talk. in real life, im sure you would be quick to call the police to handle your disputes for you. real manly. dork. read the article. if you cant think of something constructive to say about civil rights or cant come up with a constructive argument, than do everyone a favor and take your uneducated and homophobic rhetoric elsewhere. Its funny when people like you call people homos, point fingers, condemn people, and then are found with male prostitutes in hotel rooms smoking meth (ted haggard).

@lovecops

Your argument is an example of the logical fallacy of a “straw man” argument.

It should be clear and obvious that your hypothetical 9-year-old with a gun does not represent the threat that a cop represents, given the difference in non-verbal-cues that each expresses.

You are, it seems to me, clutching at straws. ((pun intended))

Simply put, it doesn’t matter what your job is or whether you are wearing a clown suit, the same rules of behavior and action apply to everyone equally.

No exceptions.

That’s an interesting question. This is an interesting article.

http://truthalert.net/Police%20Militarization%20and%20the%20War%20on%20the%20American%20Citizen.htm

This is the most asinine “article”, if you can call it that, that I’ve ever read. It’s seriously concerning that anyone would agree with any of this. Getting through the first paragraph, I thought my eyes would bleed. – To give you all a sort history lesson, none of the terrible crimes committed in history can ever be said to have been carried out in the name of “law enforcement”. Everything has been stretched to amuse your sick thought process.

Just in case you think this article is over-the-top, I suggest two books by Vin Suprynowicz. “Send in the Waco Killers” and “Ballad of Carl Drega.” This is not a new discussion.

@Kevin Benko…Oh, really Kevin? What department…oh go ahead, you can say, it’s been over seven years…and you left the PD, why? Go ahead kevin, you can tell us…or can’t you?

It’ been my experience that someone who leaves policing after six or seven years does it one step ahead of an indictment.

@Jack Zeller
@Cara

So, you seem to be under the impression that it is not at all possible for an individual to, somehow, acquire something resembling ethics and morality and, as a consequence, come to the necessary conclusion that, for example, the police, in general, have never been “our friends.”

There is also the delusion, often found in political/bureaucratic structures, that it is possible to change things from the inside, by working within the system. Sadly, that, too, is a pipe dream. Eventually, some people, myself, for example, arrive at the conclusion that it is not possible to change the bureaucratic/political structure from within, and just leave that structure, as I did.

Since then, I’ve changed “careers” a few times, not, as Cara wants to assert, because I was in any sort of trouble, but because there’s no rule that says that you have to stick with a single career path your whole life. And that single fact is a consequence of my very first career path change from CopThug to NonCopThug.

Anyway, back to the original article, as many of the cop groupies seem to have misunderstood. The article is merely stating/asserting/reinforcing the principle that morals are universal. The article merely states that every individual be held to the same exact moral standards, and consequences thereof, as every other individual.

It’s that simple, why is it that some of you people cannot grasp that simple concept?

Well ask the former cop father of Kelly Thomas who was savagely beaten to death on July 5 by six sadistic cowboy mental rejects posing as Fullerton, Cal finest steroid accidents!

The author of this article is deeply, deeply confused. He (or she) seems to think that our actions and our ethics are a matter of universal principles or natural rights. No, not even maybe.

Obviously, our rights and our morality are both based on clothing and costumes. It is our clothing, our outfits, our pants, shirts and robes that give us our rights. When a man (or woman) puts on a blue uniform, he (or she) becomes a sort of mini-God, a new form of creature, an actor who now has the ability and right to dispense life or death. A soldiers uniform, a priest’s robe, a Senator’s red power tie, these transmogrify an ordinary mortal into an institution, into a force which may sweep through ordinary mundanes the way a bulldozer cuts through swathes of concentration camp detainees.

A man in a blue uniform may not be punished or injured, because a man in a blue uniform is universally and eternally the standard by which we define what is Right and Lawful, just as a man in a robe defines what is Holy and Sanctified. Attempting to “defend” yourself against a policeman who is attacking you is unthinkable, because it presumes that a policeman is capable of doing anything outside the law. Arguing that a policeman is somehow in the wrong for breaking into a house of law abiding people, or for clubbing an unresisting videographer, is just irrational. It is as crazy as calling for the punishment of priests who sodomize children.

The author of this article, Larken Rose, is obviously a person of no principles or understanding.

Hey cops, don’t like this? Then you should stop waging a war against the people of the United States. Your actions are causing a reaction from us. The people of this country are just about fed up with you and no longer respect what you stand for. If you continue doing what you are being trained to do by the Federal govt. then you will very soon find yourselves out numbered by an angry populace that see’s you for the thugs that you really are. On that day you will no longer strut around in that stupid looking costume you wear, no, on that day it is you that will run and hide. And it will be your own fault.

I don’t live in the US and don’t own a gun.

Unfortunately all points in this article are logically valid. A few example of extreme unwarranted police brutality:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019225/Kelly-Thomas-Police-beat-taser-gentle-mentally-ill-homeless-man-death.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNdbVLOYLU&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fWmr0TnEuo&feature=player_embedded

Just a few examples… I know there’s good cops out there, the last thing I would want would be to mix up the bad ones with the ones that can really help.

But here’s the rub, if the bad cop don’t like the tone of your voice, he will want to beat you up. That involve tasering, making your head look like the elephant man and a pile of false charges. If you resist, he will call in other cops, you will have to deal with a hail of bullets. If you have a gun, then they will retreat and call in the SWAT team with superior fire power and gear.

This is the thing, if you don’t want any of this, logic dictates that you almost have to use maximum lethal fore somewhere in the process, preferably at the beginning when you feel they’re coming in. Then they will try to find you and hunt you down. Not an easy decision, either that or be dead or in a similar situation.

Again, I wish all of this could be resolved in a more peaceful manner

@Jason Calley – Jason, you are spot on. And, no, it is NOT complicated.

“Man in blue uniform obeying the law = respected public employee
Man in blue uniform breaking the law = criminal outlaw”

“One who turns his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.” Proverbs 28:9

Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.”Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded, ‘If there be any remedy at all … it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.
As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)
Source: http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

…if someone enters my home illegally, (that means without my prior expressed permission) I don’t care who they are, or what clothing or uniform they are wearing, they take their life and well-being out of their own hands and place it into my care and custody. I may actually deprive them of it, or not….my choice.

Out on the street, I am responsible for the safety and well-being of myself and my family. I observe and judge my surroundings and avoid trouble whenever possible. Approach me or my family with respect and courtesy and you will receive the same…my response may be less than cordial if you are less than cordial.

I will never submit to treatment that I deem to be illegal or disrespectful, whether that treatment be from a street thug intent on depriving me of life or property, or if the treatment be from a LEO, of any organization, acting outside of what I deem to be the limits of their authority….for these reasons, I avoid interactions with LEO’s at all times and in all manners…I keep my vehicles registered and insured, keep our bills paid, and generally keep my actions within the boundaries generally deemeed ‘socially acceptable’…these and other actions minimize the ‘footprint’ that I leave for LEO’s to have a reason to notice my existance, and thereby intrude into my life…

Keep your wits sharp…your eyes and ears open, your mouth shut….keep your knives sharp and your guns loaded, food in the freezer and gas in the tank…you’ll be fine….

well i see some one didnt like what i was writing down in here so i was cut off.one should be aware yourself .it looks like you are working for them.the evil people.i see you left my name an email in the boxes i see.but took out what i was typing.im so scared.if you came for me im not afraid to die.so i will say yes there is a time to shoot .a time not.its all up to them ,if they come in unvited..GOD said there is a time for war.romans 13 read careful .government is to work for GOD.so if governments treat there people wrong ,then people do not need to listen.GOD comes before governments.romans 13 6 for rulers are servantsof GOD,,,,,,so rulers treat your people well.

It comes down to everyone leave everyone else alone. If you are going to stick your nose into someone’s life and business and attempt to harm their property or their bodies then they have every right to stop you and it’s not their duty to be careful about it.

One solution, the one I’ve applied, is to know your local cops, and be honest. Tell them what the consequences of screwing with you will be. Of course, that only works in small towns like mine. Impractical in a city of any size. Most of our local guys hold the government in contempt anyway, especially the Feds. But, if push comes to shove, my home will be the last one they try to disarm….heh heh.

Here is how I think of it – badges, uniforms, laws, and weapons DO NOT create sanctioned reasons to be victimizes by police. Respect should be the police’s FIRST weapon of defense. If they show respect, then they get respect. If they are violent in every situation, the victim can only escalate the level of violence if, they want to protect themselves from the threat.

How are wars won? The “good guys” have to be MORE deadly than their enemy! So, if you think reason, hope, submission, and ignorance will protect you….you are a victim before anything even starts to threaten you.

@FTP!

Honestly, FTP, there ARE places that you can get help…I’d be glad to assist.

Dumb sheep will always be dumb sheep for the slaughter, and those who think you will go to court and get any justice are fools, there is no justice in the courts, the man that wrote this article was far smarter than most of those who read it, the abuse of police and their authority will continue to get worse, cause most of the people they hire for cops are now scum and filth, perverts like those who put think in those positions and those who rule over the dumb sheep. 75% of you will be leaving this country soon, most have no clue how bad things really are behind the scenes and what has been planned for the sheep, death camps and mass graves is all that is left for america. You have no manufacturing, no jobs, illegals, drug and crime gangs are eating up your resources, and your politicians want to take more rights and freedoms from you and the cops now can basically kill you and no one do anything about it. And if you think those mass graves and death camps wont be used in america you are a fool and an idiot.

Obviously the vast majority of cops at this time do not fit into this discussion & they do an excellent job of keeping anarchy to a minimum, but as long as we keep allowing DHS & their creepy Zionist sidekicks in the SPLC (Potok & Cohen) to write dubious new guidelines explaining that “patriots are now terrorists”, the day may come when many cops do fall under the category of being a clear threat to us and our liberties.
To all the LE reading these posts, think it through, don’t mindlessly accept the trendy new definitions of who a “terrorist” is and keep your oath to the constitution.
maintaining liberty in the US is way more important than following questionable orders.

We need to develop an intelligence network, so that we can find out where rogue cops live. This applies particularly to police chiefs who are responsible for murderous police departments. If these people knew that they and their families could suffer serious consequences if they wage war on the public, and incur their wrath, they would think twice before doing so.

Eventually, rogue cops would never be safe living in the community and would have to live in protected barracks, which would make the job less attactive.

I don’t know about all of you folks, but when another man or woman tells me I HAVE to listen to him and DO WHAT “HE” TELLS ME TO, well, thats when I take a hike. NO ONE has the right to tell ME what to do, PERIOD. I also think pretty soon, the police will wish they had taken up another profesion. Alot of folks will not START anything with the powers that be, BUT THEY WILL FINISH IT IF PROVOKED. The sad fact is that most police officers think as the pofficed above, that no one had the “testecular fortitude” (balls) to resist them and their violence. I “think” they are going to find out how wrong they were in that assumption one day. You can only push folks SO FAR.

When a peaceful revolution doesn’t work a violent revolution is inevitable.

To all police officers. Here is where we are at. You treat ALL citizens as a potential “criminal” based on the acts of a few. Less than 2 percent of our population is incarcerated, and the majority of those are for non violent drug related crimes. The larger majority of citizens are law abiding, yet EVERY contact you make with one of us is based on your training that EVERY one of us is a potential threat.

Now it’s your turn. Citizens now treat ALL of you based on the actions of a few.

It’s a sad state of affairs, but as long as you “good” guys continue to ignore or God forbid even support the “bad”, and continue to enforce laws you know are bad, and continue to violate our natural rights, the decline in respect you once deserved will continue to unravel. Just putting on a piece of tin does not garner respect, you, like everybody else, earns it. The fact of the matter is, you break more laws in one week than the average majority does in a lifetime. Dig deep and you will agree.

The ball’s in your court, but know this, the people are restless and most have simply had enough.

To: The Honorable Ryan Joseph

Sir, I fully understand the frustration encountered when attempting to discuss and/or debate these vital principles with the average ignorant, blinded, indoctrinated, hopelessly undereducated, deceived, cowardly American dupe. Their very existence is shameful as they persist willingly in their state of psychotic denial are are supremely worthy of their pending total enslavement. Your responses to their feeble minded address, are entirely appropriate. Remember Sir, individuals such as You and I, comprise roughly 5% of this Republic. I encourage you to yield not in your efforts.

The problem with your statement is that there it does not allow room for mistakes. Good cops do make mistakes – and they should not be punished with their life for a mistake.

You are correct, Stanley. There is no safe or practical way to “do-it-on-your-own.”

How about this for a better solution:

There are those, like the active members of CopBlock, that tend to try to “swarm” an incedent with cameras – which is great! But, once the injustice is verily documented, why not the entire attending crowd put down their cameras (save for one or two who continue to video document the event) and proceed to make a concerted citizens’ (plural on purpose) arrest on the perpetrator(s).

It’s a very rough-draft idea that needs much refining (especially considering an officer’s personal arsenal to get aroud). But, with the eventual education/notification of those already active in the patriot movement and the subsequent inclusion of others in the general public, eventually we might move this police state back towards equal footing.

What would happen if every individual who spotted a “law enforcement event” were to stop and, as a group, get directly involved?

What would have happened if everyone in the audience of the Quartzsite, AZ city council meeting stood up to stop the arrest of Jennifer Jones?

What happens if the “ants” figure out that they out-number the “grasshoppers” 100-to-1?

Psalms 94:20-21, Isaiah 10:1-2

In His Word,

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It’s seems the criminal element here in Canada wields more powerful then our justice system. An Ottawa judge threw out dozens of cases involving Canadian biker gangs and the gangs proven connections to the illegal arms and drug trades. Why? The judge said he couldn’t handle the case load.

@Jack Zeller
“Police departments supported by their communities, that spend a good amount of tax dollars on good and constant training, and who spend lots of tax payer dollars on thorough and complete background investigations before hiring, have few wayward incidents and officers. You’ll find that the most troubled departments are the most underfunded departments.”

So, we have a choice between cops who beat and taze us, and cops who merely steal large amounts of our money.

The point most here are missing is that even good cops are not that good. They are all tax eaters. They all lobby for more pay and more military toys. And even when they are doing what they are supposed to do, they are looking to throw you in jail. It’s their business to stick their nose into your business.

We don’t need cops. We need people to learn to protect themselves, or to exchange peacefully with their neighbors to do so. Even historically, it’s been shown we don’t need cops, and got on for a long time without them:
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

I don’t particularly think cops as human beings are worse than the rest of the population. It’s the job that is bad, and makes them bad.

i am writing again because this is the most troubleing article i have ever read.i have many friends who are police officers and if needed i would lay my life down for them. many good people are officers working under very strenouse circumstaces to say the least. not only do they deal with a public every day that could be a serial killer to a boy scout, but also must be sub servient to popliticians and their children in the towns they serve in. they are required to take care of the drunken politicians and town councilmen but also give tickets to someone they know for a fact have not enough money to replace a muffler let alone pay a ticket. i want the public not to be afraid when pulled over not knowing if the next minute you will be continually tazed until you die, or beaten so badly you are unrecognizable. i also want the police to know that if push came to shove we the citizens would back them up. i think a good pace to begin is a dialouge between both groups and attempt to find some answeres.

One of these days, if martial law is ever actually declared, the cops who pull this thing are suddenly going to find they are no longer the biggest dog on the block, and that they are standing in front of the target they themselves painted facing a REAL army. I also think the military will find that a lot of small, rural towns and areas like this one will present only two possible solutions: leave them alone, or destroy them a la Mei Lai. “We had to destroy it save it.” The police here are generally respectful and professional, even friendly, and they get the same thing back from citizens. Then again, this area is full of veterans and older people, by which I mean not kids, but not nursing-home “old.” Probably close to 90% of the people are armed, and while if asked politely to help out in an emergency, being told that some undefined or BS National Emergency somehow requires that we all – or even just many of us – be hauled off to some camp somewhere “for your own protection” is going to cost whoever a lot of personnel. This is probably true of much of rural America. Most of these people are quite well educated, I’m including farmers, and we know our rights.

Ian

Cara on July 28, 2011 at 12:10 am says proudly: “It’ been my experience that someone who leaves policing after six or seven years does it one step ahead of an indictment.”

Tell that to Frank Serpico, Cara. I’ve worked in close quarters with cops too,,, and I wouldn’t trust them in their station where they are supposed to feel safe. What is that olde saying,,, ‘pulled the wool over your eyes’,,, that is what the blinded police defense mob has going for themselves, wool over their eyes until one day,,, and it will happen some day.

A simple club to skull is a deadly blow,,, the cops are just lucky it is not always one blow that kills so they repeat often until you end up looking like Kelly Thomas, a family member of a cop, Cara dear.

The sheriff gang in Riverside cnty, go on Cara, tell us they are honorable men and women for applying a little pressure onto their own deputies. Time to test them all, weekly for steroids and other drugs. Oh you didn’t know that cops too can be drug users?

Which brings me to the main cause for this unnecessary escallation of rage on the streets by cops,,, the illegal enforcement of illegal laws against all drugs that intoxicate the human. Our ninth amendment, after they have listed one specific right of the intoxicant liquor, means that all other intoxicants are now clearly legal for anyone to use. But try and convince the enraged cop to follow their oath and you have just become another one guilty of *contempt of cop*, for knowing and explaining the law to the lawless cop. I’ll repeat for the slow law-n-order types in here, the ninth amendment demands all intoxicants ARE legal and any law saying otherwise is to be ignored at the will of the people.

“The enumeration in the constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

Does that look familiar? It should, that is OUR ninth article to the original Bill Of Rights. [Number nine number nine number nine] as clear as any law can be written. You make it so that just one intoxicant has a special rights status in the constitution, they all be come the special rights status,,, get it yet?

In all of human history from the isolated tribes to large communities, there has always been the intoxicant(s) to go with them. Stop with the forced sobriety nonsense,,, it is not human nature to be sober and you people that can not accept this fact,,, need to get off of your religion and stop forcing your insane petty beliefs onto others. Yes your beliefs, the religion that was created by plagiarizing parasites. This police *IT IS ONLY A POLICY* state escallation was weened and raised on the illegal war on some drugs.

Where were you when they came for the jews, then the catholics, then they came for the union leaders, then there was none there for you. It is all based on someones wishful dreams, the policy, of white sidewalks and free clear roads with a calm childrens pool on the ocean front,,, from those not connected to the real world and reality one bit. Your wishful *policy* is not going to make it so, no matter how hard you close your eyes as you pray, that which you do not like to go away.

Mr. Rose speaks truth and the “powers” never like the truth to be known, much less than it be provided logically, honestly and freely to the citizens. “Government is an instrument of the people and is answerable to the people.”

Thursday, July 28, 2011S.C. Police on Alert After Political Activist “Liked” Article on Facebook. Brandon Turbeville on
Activist Post

Quoting article:
“With the increase in propaganda being pushed by the mainstream media government police state agencies regarding “right wing extremists” and “domestic terrorists,” many are no longer surprised when law enforcement or government agents single out individuals or groups that may express controversial or unpopular points of view, or even points of view that are simply critical of government or its agents.

,,, big snip,,,

The article became an issue when Jeff Mattox, the co-chair of the Kershaw County Republican party, “liked” the article on Facebook. According to WISTV.com, the article was posted to Facebook by the Kershaw County Patriots, a grassroots conservative political organization of which Mattox is a member. It was at this point that he committed the crime of “liking” the article.

As a result, the Sheriff of Kershaw County, Jim Matthews, a man with an extensive background in freedom-crushing law enforcement divisions such as the DEA and SWAT (as well as the FBI and the US Army), put his officers on high alert upon his knowledge of the article.

He then went to the local newspaper where he stated, “The article in and of itself doesn’t advocate shooting an officer, but some who read it will get out of it what they want . . . Some warped individuals may get it in their mind that it’s OK to resist an officer to the point of shooting them.” Matthews also stated that the article “irritated” him because it came out just as he was about to attend the funeral of a Laurens County Deputy.

Of course, Mattox didn’t write the article. He didn’t even post it to Facebook. He merely “liked” it on someone else’s page. Not only that, but the Sheriff, as quoted above, even admits that the article itself never advocated shooting an officer.

But that didn’t stop the Sheriff from fear mongering the public and his officers about the dangers of free speech and those who not only exercise it, but those who listen to it. Thoughtcrime if you will.

Predictably, Mattox is now being asked by the Kershaw County Republican party, specifically by the Chariman Chris Oviatt, to step down. However, to his credit, Mattox has refused to step down or to apologize for the article.

Of course, the Sheriff and the Republican establishment are not the only enemies of free speech in Kershaw County. The majority of the Kershaw County Law Enforcement community seems to have rallied behind the belief that anyone who dares advocate (even passively) that someone defend themselves against state-sanctioned thuggery is a dangerous potential domestic terrorist.

Indeed, Camden Police Chief Joe Floyd has also placed his officers on high alert for individuals who “don’t recognize police authority.”

Floyd says, “We have knowledge now that some of these ideas exist here in Kershaw County. We’re just reinforcing the training that we already put our officers through, just to be watchful and mindful that the potential does exist, that people out there that might want to hurt them.”

Aside from the fact that Chief Floyd is frightened by Kershaw County citizens having ideas different from his own, one must wonder exactly what kind of training he is talking about.” ,,,more follows,,,

So he had a funeral to attend to,,, so does Kelly Thomas’s father but there will be no parade of tax payer funded vehicles leading the way or trailing the hearse for the *killed by cop* innocent Citizen.
I have posted the copblock piece here on my own facebook page, and I’ve repeated it today with a few added articles surrounding it to push home the point that cops are raging wild, for no real reason other than their own ego.

“”Contempt of cop”” I can find the statute numbers,, criminal code or insurance code?? Building code??

The above article is found here: http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/sc-police-on-alert-after-political.html

So Jack Zeller says I am older than I should be. I wonder why it would think that,,, because a cop should have removed me a long time ago,,, is that it jackO. No jack, everything I wrote down is the truth,,, if nobody has informed you yet, it makes life so much easier not to need to remeber who you told what lie to.

The proud cop will proclaim “I’d even arrest my mother”,,, well piggy the question is will you arrest your commander or your partner when they break the law, any law, like assault with intent to kill a prone man sleeping at a bus terminal? Still no arrests made, just a forced vacation with pay…

You don’t have the right to KILL anyone!

Great article and some valid points raised, however insighting violence to be inflicted on anyone….. cop, politician or any human being is wrong!

The police aren’t the enemy, they are all human beings like the rest of us. Unfortunately they have been indoctrinated and brainwashed to act the way that they do, but that isn’t their fault.

Non compliance is the way forward….not violence!

well, I just tried posting this in a gun rights forum where there are a lot of LEO active on the site. It lasted 5 minutes and was deleted. I think that the power they exercised in that forum is analogous to the power trips they feel in real life: mainly, don’t question them.

It’s sad that we can’t have a discussion on this topic, though I would suggest the title of this piece was poorly chosen.

As technology has gotten more advance I’m thinking we really don’t need Cops running up and down the road wasting fuel. Everyone has a cell phone with camera and video. If someone screws up like speeding and wreckless driving or if there is a fight someone will get it on film. Then investigators can take it from there. I believe we could have Cops stationed so many miles down the road and when someone has a complaint they can show the film to the police. But having Cops stopping speeders on the side of the road with cars going by 80 mph just a few feet away is dangerous and I’d be scared to stop along side the highway. I see films all the time people being stopped on the side of the road and someone crashing into them.
Cops speed all the time. How many times have you seen them going 75 mph down the road? If they are not going to a call and they are speeding, then I would be calling their superior and show them the film of the speeding trooper making the roads unsafe.

@Ben — You post: “You don’t have the right to KILL anyone!”

A pretty bone-headed thing to say, Ben, since the entire subject matter is about how COPS very often (far too often) think they DO have the “right” to kill “anyone” who mouths off or questions them or (God forbid) takes videos as they beat some poor slob into oblivion — and then brag about it over a few beers!

Then you say: “The police aren’t the enemy, they are all human beings like the rest of us. Unfortunately they have been indoctrinated and brainwashed to act the way that they do, but that isn’t their fault.”

Oh, so because it “isn’t their fault” we should just bend over and take it up the ass, have them shoot the family dog, smack the wife around if she tries to speak on behalf of her screaming husband (being stomped and punched and maced and tasered to death) and maybe because “society” is also responsible for the crazed drug addict and murderers we should let THEM TOO kill us whenever they’re in the mood for a can of “kick ass”?

Your sort of post (way too many of them) is precisely WHY this country is doomed; only a tiny few left who understand true freedom and its cost, and who are willing to treat out-of-control cops as the bully-boy OUTLAWS that they are. I have little doubt that you are of the sort that would accept being “drafted” into the ranks of Homeland Security, would be a prison guard just like the Nazis, might even try a little water-boarding if asked, “for the common good” of course. Hell you might even smile and apologize sweetly afterwards once or twice, until your frowning superiors let you know that wasn’t “proper” attitude for a man in uniform with a “proud tradition” of respecting individual freedoms (except when freedom conflicts with the newest policy, yada yada barf barf.)

You say: “Non compliance is the way forward….not violence!”

Exactly! Which is why more and more of us will express “non compliance” with a boot on our face at 4 a.m. some dark morning — but unlike you we will in fact counter the police VIOLENCE (with implicit threat of murderous follow-through) as befits the occasion, with clear conscience.

@freedom – the complete quote is “When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.” Ironically, that came from a Democrat, namely JFK.

@Bruce – you should make an exception for someone who is paying you. Of course, if you don’t like what they say, you are free to ‘take a hike.’ The alternative is the employer telling you to take a hike.

They are putting up more and more cameras everyday. In London they must have a million. With cameras watching why do you need Cops patrolling? If they put up speed cameras that a lot safer than Cops stopping someone on the road and causing accidents. I think the roads would be safer if there were no Cops patrolling only at night. I don’t believe them running up and down the road 80 mph makes the roads any safer. How many times have you followed a Cop down a highway and he goes 55 mph for any length of time. No they go 75 mph. Since everyone has cell phones I can’t believe that Cops would haveno choice, but to slow down, because people would be filming them left and right and turning them in for speeding. A Cop going 75 mph is no safer than anyone else.

Hey ,Cops I got news for you. 9/11 was committed by the Israeli Mossad, but who gets the blame the poor Arab. Hey rememebr Waco where the law murdered those women and children. Randy Weaver’s wife and son murdered. Our politicians vote for war based on lies and over a million Iraqi civilians killed. They say everyone is your equal. Those negro Cops on the force are they your equal? That means that Iraqi is just as equal. If you Cops were smart you would all put your guns down and let the militia tak care of the crips and Bloods. Then maybe take care of these politicians. The officer in blue serves the Jew. Why hasn’t George Bush been arrested for lying about starting the Iraq war? Why hasn’t he been arrested for allowing 9/11 to go off without a hitch. The U.S. Marshals can arrest George Bush at anytime. It’s time they did their job.

Excellent article. It has long been obvious that there is a serious disconnect between justice and the law. It is clear that the police are no longer-if indeed they ever were-required to “protect and serve” but to punish and collect revenue for their respective municipalities. That our rights as a free people no longer exist. But the problem does not end there. There is no longer any accountability for the elected officials of the counties, towns and villages that run these so-called law enforcement agencies. In fact, there isn’t a single politician at any level that keeps our best interests and our rights as American citizens at heart when they act. Even more so, they actually seem to prefer to keep us downtrodden and disheartened, unemployeed and ignorant. I would refer to ourselves as slaves, but slaves are aware of what has been done to them. In our current, pathetic paradigm, we have become nothing more than livestock waiting to be slaughtered. We will never become “cop killers” not because we lack the courage or determination to stand up for ourselves or because we find civil disobedience to be distasteful. We will remain sheep on the way to the slaughterhouse because we are too fucking stupid to see what’s being done to us. And even if by some crazy chance we are able to recognize our predicament, we are still too fucking lazy to do anything about it. Things have become the way they are because we let it happen. All that evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing; and we have done nothing for so long we are most likely incapable of actually doing anything.

I think the best approach is to use the same criteria cops themselves use every day . If you feel your life might be in danger, or even if you ‘don’t feel safe’ with the officer, you are good to go with the glock.

There actually is another way to stop the government, especially bad laws. Jury nullification. As long as your jury members are informed of their right to nullify law, and go against anything that the judge would tell them they are obligated to do, even in direct opposition to what evidence would say in a case, they can hang the jury or return a verdict they were not even looking for. Done. Of course, people have to know about jury rights before they are put in the pool for a case. And, they have to not tell the judge or attorneys of their knowledge of their rights and powers or they would assuredly be excluded from the case. Judges and lawyers don’t like thinking citizens who return verdicts that make sense or send a message.

Beginning with Richard Nixon’s infamous “War on Drugs” declaration in 1972, and with every president since, cops have been transforming into para-military units while citizens have become the “enemy.” Even with billions in federal largess, massive expansion of enforcement, leading the world in prison population, etc. by criminalizing so many people the cops are woefully outnumbered and thus lawlessness becomes the new normal.

Despite the pro-drug war fascists, most cops are still honest, dedicated public servants who take their work very seriously and do not have racial or political agendas. They deal with the whole spectrum of humanity, from the harmless panhandler to the hostage-taking psycho-killer. Sometimes, all in one day. Nonetheless, I do believe cops must be held to a higher-standard than the ordinary citizen.

However, it is up to our lawmakers to provide them with good laws that 1) protect the public, 2) respect the individual and 3) instill confidence that justice is served. Decades of high-intensity enforcement of victim-less drug crimes, unfair punishments and political dis-enfranchisement has turned millions of people against the government in general and the police in particular. So, in addition to the carnage, the gangs, the cartels, the endless flow of drugs, guns and dirty money we can now see the true costs of Nixon’s other dirty little war, the end of respect for the rule of law and those sworn to uphold it. Today this is most evident in Juarez, Mexico, a place author Charles Bowden calls, “the laboratory of our future.” And it’s not bright.

Meatwad said it best: “No knock entries are the tyrants creep into tyranny”
All cops reading these posts should rethink the mindless “war on drugs” and realize that it is bringing disgust and hatred to your ranks.
Lighten up, we (and former military) outnumber you 10,000 to 1…

Well done! Hence, my posting the url in my Page at (ENJOY dudes!) http://www.scribd.com/Tjoaginsing

When I was in MD, I kept a total of four various caliber handguns and two semi-auto .22LR and the real good .22Magnum (seven ammos in the clips, and I owned five clips just in case). I was just enjoying “punching paper” then at a couple of indoor-shooting range in MD and VA.

All men have a right, given by God, to resist tyranny. If it is just one man he will be killed. If it is 100 men, most will be killed and the rest jailed. If it is 1000 men, the same. 10,000 men the same. 100,000 men and you will be outnumbered 60 to 1 and out gunned. Even then military forces would squash any organized resistance. Under these circumstances, retreat is the only option. By that I mean live outside the matrix. There are still pockets of freedom round the world. Find one and live in peace. You can’t change the system, it will continue to get worse and worse until man is reduced to serf and slave. That could last a few hundred years. btw outside of the matrix there are few police and they are generally friendly.

Paul Bonneau says:
July 31, 2011 at 10:20 am

@greenfloyd
“However, it is up to our lawmakers to provide them with good laws that 1) protect the public, 2) respect the individual and 3) instill confidence that justice is served.”

@Paul Bonneau
“What, we don’t have enough laws already??”

I’m not suggesting any new laws.

@Paul Bonneau
The problem is not a lack of laws, or having the wrong laws. The problem is having laws at all.

I think most people would find that a rather extreme statement. Remember power abhors a vacuum, so we delegate a specific amount of power to police who bring offenders to justice. And yes power does corrupt, that’s why we have a system of checks and balances that are necessary to the fair and equal administration of justice. Of course it is up to us, the citizens, to make that system work. It’s our responsibility to repair the system when its broken and prevent its “collapse.” Because as bad as it can be, it’s still the best system ever devised.

I think there are truly good police officers out there who sincerely give their time, talents, their lives to protect and to serve with the very best of character as well as intentions. Yet, I believe on a systematic level, we are witnessing organized crime leaving the streets and entering the halls of power. Literally, the mob has swept into political power. Some of these “police officers” who are dedicated to the mobsters, are members of the mob, they’re not law officers. They’re literally the protection racket and enforcers for the mob. Literally, they are criminals.

I was driving from Austin to San Antonio today and every public advisory sign on the way had the description of a car that had apparently injured a cop. Kind of makes you wonder why they don’t do that for everyone. It is almost as if “filing a report” doesn’t actually solve any problems.

I wonder what Phil “whipass” tastes like? MMMM… My mouth is watering! I’ll bet his meat is tough though. No matter, boiling for a couple of hours before roasting will tender him up enough for my 85 year old toothless grand ma to eat!

When it falls apart and Cops fuck with you double O buck shot is a good equalizer.

When this system breaks down you’ll have to kill Cops like cockroaches. This is for real. Because we know what happens when someone controls you. Sure we can look at history when the Mongolians and Turks went into Europe. Bt they have so many weapons now. They have such advanced technology. It’s not like they just have guns and we have guns. They have things that will make guns obsolete. This means the only hope is nobody turns in their guns when they tell you to. There is no way around it. We must kill the police, but if the military comes in it won’t be Americans. It will be Russian and Chinese according to what signs they haveat the FEMA camps. If you don’t like bloodhsed you might want to leave this country and head to Europe or Argentina.

These criminal thugs (police) have created the perfect system for home invasions.

If I ever wanted to do a home invasion, and be fairly safe in doing so, all I have to do is announce that I am the police and then the mundane will stand down just like he is trained to do, and I kill him and his family —– just like the real police do.

What an upside down world we like in.

If you want videos of police abusing the rights of others, go to YouTube & search for Coalbunny. 200+ videos of police abuse. Now imagine that if the statistics are right….1 out of 100 LEO encounters are videoed while 1 out of 50 abuses are videoed…. and I have 200+ videos linked? Does 800 abuses sound right to you? I think it’s extreme conservative myself. I have been assaulted several times before. The cops have to show their manhood by assaulting a man that is physically disabled….? That doesn’t scare me really. What scares me is they trust them with guns.

Face it some Cops will feed you a line of bullshit and say they got the job to protect and serve. Maybe a few, but think about this…A Cop has total control over you. They can kill you. They get their kicks off all day. He stops you and he knows you are pissed and he loves it if you curse and scream. They are control freaks. They love chasing people and they love that some women love to screw them. My ftaher was a Cop for a couple years and he was a control freak. It was his way or no way. You’re best bet is don’t even think about going to a bar and driving. Don’t speed and drive wreckless and give them a reason to stop you. Think about it. Drive the speed limit and be legal. If you leave a bar drunk at night they get their cookies off laughing. If they closed all the bars half the Cops would quit, because at night what would they do? There would be no drunks to fool with. The worst thing is speeding. But if you’re just going half an hour speeding only saves you 2 or 3 minutes.
But the best bet is if you can live in an area that you can use a boat all the time. I did that for 8 years and it was fun. No speed limits, no insurance, no tickets, no inspections. Face it millions of cars means many customers. You’re just a customer. If you can’t drive 25 miles an hour too well, then avoid going into town. Where I live there is small towns and no Cops. You can drive 40 miles and not see one. If you ask me technology has made Cops obsolete or at least we don’t need as many. For one thing everyone has a cell phone that can take photos and video. People get the stuff you do on video.
But just like everything else. Cops will get theirs as soon as martial law is declared. If you have a CVop you want to get inside of a year they’ll be so jammed you’ll be able to fuck them up. But tell nothing. Years ago it seemd like very few Cops had an attitude. Today half of them have attitudes. They think they should get respect, but they are committing so many crimes they are losing it very fast.

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wardoc says:
August 2, 2011 at 9:32 am

In Iraq and Bosnia/SerboCroatia, the populace being abused by “cops” responded by getting the names and home addresses of the cops and paying visits to them in the middle of the night when the cowards did not have their backup at their beck and call. The cops stopped abusing people to a large degree. Interesting historical point.
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This is precisely why many of the thugs now wear black masks and wear no name tag. They know what they do is criminal and they don’t want the American people to be able to find them and give them some justice.

If a Cop says something smart and causes trouble, then shoot him. The best thing is to act like everything is fine and reach under the seat as he walks back to the car and shoot him in the back. If you have time get the recording device out of his car. Of course you could have a gun in your left hand as he walks to the car pump lead in him, but aim for his cock, because he might have a vest.

@Joe in Missouri — yeah that was the first thing I thought as well with Nickerson’s post (and a few others in similar vein.) A bit too over the top even for those totally pissed at the whole scene. Personally, I feel that (like the Catholic church and damn near any other institution having significant real or potential influence over large segments of the populace) that VERY LONG TERM agents-in-place were infiltrated into the ranks by the Illuminati/NWO crowd per their own published intentions. These uber-bad apples continue to be deployed or signalled into action, whether in police departments or churches or elsewhere, ORDERED to commit their various atrocities so as to disaffect the masses against their institutions and gov’t and yes, even the Constitution which shall ultimately be portrayed as having “failed” us in our time of need, paving the way for the UN and/or whatever propaganda for a New World Order and guess what — most people will be so disgusted and feel so powerless that they will for the most part throw up their hands and say, hey, what could be worse? (Oh, and they will find OUT what is worse, but it’ll be too late.) Thus they haven’t shut down the Internet yet because it’s still useful in so many ways, helping to promote immorality, regular porn, kiddie porn, chat sites and prepper sites and survivalist sites and political comment sites etc whereby they can build up their Red lists and Yellow lists and Blue lists for the checkpoints. Those in full agreement with articles like this go on the Red list (for immediate death) those agreeing somewhat go on Yellow for the hard labor/death camps, and those accessing such sites AT ALL go on the Blue list for lifelong slavery/front line bio-responders/guinea pigs/trip wire cannon fodder for dangerous situations, etc. When the checkpoints go up, and new I.D. mandatory exchange/interrogation stations are set up, THEN the sorting begins. Of course, writers of articles such as this may very well have the “honor” of a personal visit from hit teams in lieu of relying upon eventual capture at checkpoints, etc.

@ Jason – First of all, are you kidding me? You think that when police kill people that some media flak is enough punishment? That is some bullshit. Other murderers, killers or beaters get charged with crimes and do jail time. Why should police be treated any differently? And are you living in a hole? Police kill people who do not remotely deserve to die, all the time –

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/mass-police-kill-unarmed-grandfather-eurie-stamps/

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/officer-bryan-yant-cleared-shot-unarmed-trevon-cole

http://www.copblock.org/1451/police-officer-murders-half-deaf-hobbling-native-american-man/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20005157-504083.html

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/07/kelly_thomas_fullerton_police_1.php

These are only a few recent instances. Are you seriously saying that when a cop tries to kill you for no good reason, you have no right to fight back? Why is it on the public to refrain from defending themselves? How about place the blame on the violent cops? Why do victims have a duty to take it up the ass while all officer actions are assumed to be above reproach?

jason statham says:
August 3, 2011 at 10:35 pm

where do you live that police are entering your homes and killing your families. no one condones officers that do improper things but killing people is proposterous. i promise that if police enter your home to kill you the news media would eat that alive and destroy the department. your irrational comments destroy your credibility. i agree that america has far from a perfect “system” in fact it needs more help than i can mention but this article is going to perpetuate violence on both sides only making the situation worse. the important thing here is that if you disagree with a certain law, killing the officer trying to enforce it for ten dollars an hour is not the answer. just because you want drugs legalized doesnt make them legal or their use an inalienable right.

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Jason
Do you live in a cave somewhere? There is not a day that passes that cops in this country do not murder a citizen for no good reason. And yes killing someone for violently violating your inalienable rights is justified. If in doubt put a Chinese solider or just a mundane in the cops place and see how you would react to someone not wearing the funny looking clothes doing the exact same thing.

@Carl — if you take the time to more carefully read the original article AND the more rational posts, you’ll see that no one is advocating killing cops over a speeding ticket or responding as a “good cop” to a breaking & entering, etc. Only the agent-provocateurs posting here (or those with undiagnosed rabies) yap about shooting all cops in the back, etc. But your sentiment to the effect that you could NEVER imagine killing an abusive/murdering out-of-control bully/gang member under any circumstances merely reinforces the theme of the article, i.e. throughout history the overwhelming majority of sheep go willingly to the long trenches and mass graves, kneel down docilely to be shot and topple over for burial. That’s your choice, fine, but what if it were your daughter or wife or mother being raped/tortured/skinned alive by armed thugs, and you had the means to put a stop to it? Would you passively sit in your wheelchair and drop the gun in your hand into the dirt, so as to salve your conscience for the thought of terminating such scum? If so . . maybe you are a form of scum yourself, you know, the kind with a deep yellow hue all over their face and body? There comes a time when we all must either HANDLE evil snakes, or THEY will handle us. Duh.

Rights are law, the violation of rights are crimes! People have rights, among them are the unalienable right to liberty and privacy! There is no right to arrest but established by a verified complaint from an actual victim with sworn testimony and evidence! Cops are not victims nor can they be! This being said; I know most every cop in my county and all of them know me! I have a great freind in a police chief nearby, he is not law enforcement he is a peace officer and my education is why he is! The governments jurisdiction ends on the road my drive is attached to! They are not welcome to set foot on my turf without a valid warrant properly served by an unarmed server! All others shall be welcomed as assassins badge or not!

@ richloomis
I’m not a cop, not an agent provocateur, nor have I been trained to kill. Clearly that SOME of the comments made by people that talk about killing cops are cops in disguise But there are also those that are not. You have the cops on one side and the crazy psychotics on the other. We’re in a bad spot.

I am not in a wheel chair, and if I were in such a situation as you said, I doubt I would drop the gun. We can disagree until the end of time on how to handle cops, but you loose credibility when you attack those (like myself) that actually agree with you more than disagree.

@Joe in Missouri
I am already dealing with cops that allowing a dangerous man to stalk me. You talk of “…I personally can see the logic of killing any cops that stops you for any reason.” There is a problem with that. They are under oath to perform their duties in OUR best interests. If it comes down to a warrantless search and you and yours are under fire by the pigs, drop them and keep shooting until you run out of bullets, blood or targets. But, until that happens, go after the oath they swore to. Go after their boss & the oath they gave. Follow the chain of command and keep going.

Yes, I know. A bullet follows the chain of command far better than written complaints. But keep in mind that not all cops are evil and not all cops are the enemy.

And comparing cops to the Klan is stupid. Truly, as an entirity, they’re more akin to the 3rd Reich Nazis.

There will be a point to which we have no choice but to start shooting. Until that day comes (which I admit could very well be past) we should try to follow the “due process”.

While some of you are out shooting and picking them off, some of us will still follow the due process.
I know that “we” respect you and your efforts, it is only proper that the respect is mutual.

@Joe in Missouri..

Joe, take a pill…Youyr last statement is simply silly…

@Rich Loomis-
Rich, I would love to know your background and education…you speak as a fool, but I suspect you hacve a greater goal…

@Richard Kahn

The Ballad of Carl Drega, huh? Apparently you were not on duty that day. Carl Drega was a sick, psychopathological loser, and it is a shame that he managed to kill the people he did before he took a well deserved 12 gauge slug to his empty head….

@Jack Zeller — welcome back. Yes each of us will always be a “fool” to somebody, right or wrong. Specifics however, make a difference and allow honestly-intentioned people to actually communicate, so if you have an issue with something, spell it out. You still have not addressed the core item in my previous complaint to you, i.e. the fact that the law enforcement system is on a (deliberate in my opinion) downward spiral, disaffecting the populace and demoralizing the cops from within via a few, PRIMARILY empowered in this vicious cycle by the near-total failure of the “good” cops to POLICE their own ranks. They’ve bought into the fostered mindset/insanity that it’s not “manly” to turn in their abusive-monster, steroid-addicted drinking buddies lest they be labelled a fink scumbag etc.

Nothing scares the average human more than being scorned by the “tribe” and being truly thrust out on their own, regardless how right the cause is or how it might truly bless the larger community. You damn well know this from experience with Internal Affairs!

This mindset is fostered from above either by fools or embedded Freemasons/NWO flunkies of one stripe or another, and thus constitutes an inoperable cancer responsible for the atrocities we see all over, purposely now being played up even in the controlled press to “divide and conquer” and continually enhance the “death of a thousand cuts” of this nation (and the rest of the planet.)

If the police were the ONLY institution being thus corrupted, we might survive . . but the same intentional rot infects Congress, the courts, the entire financial infrastructure, higher education, even the “pure” sciences (as Climategate showcases so well.)

The big collapse is dead ahead and they do NOT want cops and the populace “on the same page” with each other, resisting the soon-to-appear UN troops and Homeland Security goons and relocation/death camps, etc, if at all possible.

Regardless, they are already asserting centralized high-level control of ALL you cops, will eventually relegate you to basement rooms doing paperwork, your firearms confiscated under some pretext, flown or shipped away from your former community to work in some so-called “Fusion Center” — no more community cohesiveness or attachment to the former way of life, etc.

Most cops will accept this and be thankful they are not out on the streets starving or being slaughtered amid the chaos. THAT’S what’s coming, in one form or another. Arguing about traffic stops misses the big picture, don’t you think?

@ Jack Zeller
Carl – what jurisdiction did that happen in?

I won’t disclose my current location out of concern for safety, Jack (I know that I have already received an indirect threat from the mayor, however. No surprise.). I am sure if you give it a try, admin could release my addy to you.)

I do not see you as a threat, but the psychotics here that dream of killing cops. Those guys are worse than the cops.

You see, cops have rules that, if you know them and know how to utilize them, can be used to defend you from unlawful actions by the cops. Doesn’t always work, that I agree. But the psychotics that dream of killing cops, they have no rules. They have this psychotic idea that life without cops is a beautiful life. No, anarchy, life without government, is not beautiful. For a long time remote areas of Mexico had no government, no police. And what do they have now? They have armed drug cartels going around murdering innocent people because they can. In an anarchy, you face that. Yes in today’s world we already face that. But then consider the US Constitution gives us the most protection available world-wide. The Constitution does not give us rights, Jack. Instead it place restrictions on what the government can do. They cannot make law that restrict our freedom of speech or religion. They cannot force us to house troops. They cannot perform searches without warrant or due process. Yes cops do that, but they do it because very few people stand up to slap them down in court.

@ Joe Donovan
The problem with this country is we have Cops. Take the Cops out of the equation and the American people would run the Mexicans clean to Mexico, but we got laws protecting them.

Joe, does that include the Mexicans that were born here? Or just the illegals?

@ Joe Donovan
Take the police out and we can take the control of this country away from the Jews. If we had a police force in the 1700’s the founding fathers could never have done anything. Police cost you money. You have to pay for their cars and they have to make money.

And the “good cops” do a lot more productive work than a volunteer security force could ever do because of their training. And do not tell me that an anarchist group would not have *any* form of security.

@ Joe Donovan
But in this country the Jews control everything.

Joe, go away. Just leave. we have enough trouble in this world as it is that we certainly don’t need any racist trash coming in here preaching their worthless crap.

I think the majority of us here are trying (somehow) to make a positive change FOR America. I do not see that in your statements.

Anyone that knows their history know that “police” as we know them today are historically a very recent phenomena.

For most of this countries history we had a county sheriff (singular) and the people were the main body of law enforcement.

What you see today is the “standing army” that the founders warned us about. They need to go.

Jews own the banks, media, courts, education, stock market and they finance wats nd they created Communism. When someone says this people should say enough already we know this. http://www.jewwatch.com Plus read the books “Why Don’t You Believe What We Tell you” and “You Gentiles”

You want to know how much the government controls. I’ve been to Klan Rallies and they’ll have Cops posing as Klansmen and they’ll throw bottles to get things going. I was at a Rally in Georgia and one so-called Klansmen took out an AR-15 with 20 people he didn’t know and I’m sure it was possible he was the law trying to get others to do the same thing. Be careful.

Also, if you have a van or pickup preferably a four wheel drive you should jack these things up so nobody can see inside. You can get trucks cheap. Jack them up so nobody can see inside. Darken the windows legally. Put up curtains in the back. Hide your guns. Does it make sense if you put a gun behind or under the seat you are guilty of hiding a wepaon? What are you supposed to do leave it on the seat and go into a store and someone steals it. If you told the Cops I left it on the seat they might charge you with a crime. You’re suppsoed to put it behind the seat, but nobody can see it. The same with a knife.

@Joe in Missouri — you say:

“So what if the big players in the NWO are Jewish? Does that somehow prove to you that every single Jew on the planet is in on the conspiracy?”

Wow, Joe, how you ever managed to invent THAT out of thin air is beyond me . . did I not STRESS that all three references were from Jewish (or ex-Jewish) sources? How then do you feel it was implied that “every single Jew” is an enemy? For you to read that into the item shows more about your own mental state than about what was really said, yes?

You then continue:

“The race or religion of these people has no bearing on anything.”

Oh really? Try telling that to the Palestinians or Iraqis or Iranians etc etc etc or even try telling it to ME, a mere “goy” piece of crap, hardly worth one fingernail compared to any one Jew — per their own Rabbinical public statements! Try telling it to our Neocon Jewish cabal, or try telling the Jews in banking that they really shouldn’t be looting/murderering our financial system like they’ve done, that would be like telling the FBI back in the 40’s and 50’s that the Sicilian/Italian MAFIA wasn’t really in any way ethnic, was just a coincidence that they all hung out together and killed together and ran the rackets together and started Las Vegas together — why should we DARE name names and tell it like it is or was? Or Meyer Lansky and Murder, Inc and all the vicious New York JEWISH gangs — likewise, we shouldn’t give a damn if obvious affiliations and networking and mutual protection measures emerged from their common links and heritage and beliefs and culture and interconnections? IT DOESN’T MATTER???

Maybe not to you, Joe, but it matters to anyone with any genuine care or smarts or perspicacity or foresight. No, it does not imply blind “hatred” merely to identify the operative elements and mindsets and PUBLISHED INTENTIONS of the various active parties, whatever their origins or religion or self-justifications.

“What they are doing should be our only concern.”

No, it is NOT and should not be our “only” concern and why? Because people do not ordinarily obtain motivation out of a vacuum: one’s upbringing and values and expectations and programming and ideological outlooks DO connect to one’s culture, religion, etc. Thus if my next door neighbor proclaims himself a practicing (and proud) Satanist, unapologetic about the idea (and practice) of child sacrifice, for example, then their entire body of beliefs or “religion” DOES damn well matter, since it yields a useful hint about their likely future actions, propensities, inclinations, and might well affect whether I let my child visit their children, and much more. Details matter, Joe, not always to the exclusion of good sense, but they matter a great deal nonetheless.

@Donavan…you are a little man, and of small mind…

@Jack Zeller —

Ah, come on, Jack . . such a tired old refrain, anytime ANYONE even dares to mention Israel, Zionism, Jews, with anything remotely approaching criticism they are immediately painted over and smeared as “haters” — and with a name like Zeller, why am I not surprised to hear this bullshit cowardly dodge from YOU? After all, so far you’ve refused to answer any of my questions, and now instead of addressing the issues themselves (or the writers of the articles instead of shifting it on me) you resort to name-calling — as if THAT automatically dismisses honest reporting and observations from ALL OVER THE FUCKING GLOBE!

Or maybe you didn’t notice the prominent disclaimer (TWICE) that the items submitted were written by JEWS not by me. Oh, for sure, I know what comes next: they were all “self-hating Jews” is the insane bussword that you all attempt to smear even your own people who tell the truth.

These dishonest (and tiresome) evasions used to work . . and may still distract a few dullards . . but nearly everyone is getting VERY weary of such transparent “poor me” bs, the Hollywood-inspired campaign suggesting the Jews never behave as nastily as the Germans or the Spainish or the French or the dozens of other societies who in times past have had to toss your treasonous butts out of their countries FOR DAMN GOOD CAUSE even as today your buddies are looting America of every dime before pulling the plug for the grand finale crash.

No, even so I don’t “hate Jews” since relatively few of them have any idea what’s being done in their name and with their contributions and cooperation with their higher-ups, etc. In fact a rather large segment of Jews actively oppose what’s going on in their name . . but then creeps like you pop up from the peanut gallery and marginalize them as if they aren’t “real” Jews, yada yada yada.

Fact is, I have good Jewish friends, have been invited (and attended) Bar Mitzvahs etc and find most of them as totally ignorant of what’s going on as the average Baptist or Lutheran or Muslim or Buddist, etc. Don’t try to pin your hate bullshit on me, it’s dishonest and conniving and says much more about you than me, so grow up.

At various periods in history it’s been the Mongols in charge, or the Vikings, or the Vandals, or the Huns, or the Romans, and it’s never “hateful” to merely state the obvious, especially when anyone other than a child can merely look around and figurer it out for themselves. ESPECIALLY when the “victors” strut and preen and crow about it amnong themselves . . now even to the point that they openly brag in the mainstream press! I could cite dozens, if not hundreds, of items to back that up . . but of course you would not read ONE WORD and if you did, you would refuse to respond . . except maybe to sputter incoherently with rage and alarm and stupidity and GUILTY KNOWLEDGE.

Yes, every dog has its day, your ancestors and contemporaries have labored long and hard, and so by all means exult in your momentary ascendency and self-satisfied expectations of “control” over us goyim . . but it will be every bit as short-lived as every other ethnic regime in history, and probably twice as bloody for all concerned. Fact is, if you’d bother to read the fine Jewish gentleman Henry Makow, you’d realize that Jews are being “set up” for internecine destruction every bit as much as the Muslims and Christians, etc, who are expected to slaughter each other (with the help of biowar, nuclear fallout, starvation, etc) so that the Satanists/Kaballah crowd can emerge from their bunkers and South American estates after it’s all over and pick up the pieces for themselves — no more Jews, no more Christians, no more Muslims etc — just “Mother Gaia” and if you worship anything other than environmentalism, you will go on the Red List immediately.

That’s the general scenario. They are USING the self-important, grandiose Jews (who publicly proclaim ALL OTHERS to be mere animals in comparison, to be exploited as deemed proper) as today’s main mechanism for subversion and control . . but just as Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and every other tyrant before them, once absolute power has been obtained, the proud Jews will become every bit as much a “liability” as anyone else. Even thus do such regimes typically perform as the FIRST FUNCTION the destruction of the intelligentsia, their former generals and teachers and engineers and police or any other “threat” to their New World Order.

So stop calling me names, wake up, you Jews will be right beside us in the camps, once again, and even as in Germany, it will be your own so-called “international leaders” who will sell you out once no longer needed.

Here’s another JEWISH source of information (why do I absolutely KNOW you won’t read a word, much less respond intelligently!!??)

Harold Rosenthal interview, parts 1&2:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/tyranny1.htm

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/tyranny2.htm#The Hidden Tyranny

@Carl — well I guess according to you the continual looting and sabotage to this once great nation is being conducted by nameless gremlins, AND the open admissions BY the guilty parties should be ignored so as to prop up your pathetic delusions and prejudices . . but since I don’t hate Jews or Muslims or most Christians, I’ll tell you what I damn well DO hate: I utterly DETEST the spineless lying dishonest shits who never read what’s put in their fucking LAPS and then pretend it’s everyone else who’s ignorant and misdirected.

Guess we’re talking about YOU Carl, but rest easy, we won’t have to shoot you, since your own idiot complicity will put you in the hands of today’s torturers and murderers and camp guards. THEY will do a number on you and your family that just “may” finally wake you up, but I doubt it. You’ll still be kissing their jackboots and star-of-david armbands and stroking their yarmulkes even as they drop you in your grave with a dismissive sneer, shaking their heads at the brain-dead craven stupidity of the goyim!

Wish there was a way to make you address the actual details of the articles shared with you (thousands more available FROM JEWS THEMSELVES) but you would once again take the cowards way out by merely calling names and running away instead of intelligently discussing/refuting the facts (if it were possible) like an adult.

WHODID911 Conspirators PLS READ Tis the zionists, CFR, PNAC, FRB, IMF & criminal banksters like Goldman sacks that r implimenting the police state & incarceration nation. They r also the 1’s hacking away at the tree of Liberty-we have Korts of Just This with Fibberty for all-the judiciary is as filthy as dirty cops that lie
The Agents of Change r the CFR, PNAC & dual isreali’s in the executive branch & pentagon that are implimenting foreign policy that is not in the best interests of the American Way
IfAmericansknew.org shows US Aid to the tune of $8,200,000 per day goes to fUNd the largest RICO, Terrorist entity in the world-the ashkeNAZI zionists that use true Jews/Isreal as a strawman.
The Demona nuke facility in isreal needs to be SUbject to the same inspections as Iraq-there are many “missing” nuclear bombs n I believe they r in DEMONa being made into suit case nukes to be used against America to bring aboot martial law & NWO-this is why the cops act like gestapo-search for “mossad uses mini nuke in Bali” just like in 911, concrete was reduced to powder

You people that are concentrating on “Jews” are way off base.
They are also individuals with names such as Rothschild,Rockelfeller, Queens and King this or that,
they are mostly also men,
some are german,
some are English,
some are American.
Some are gay,
some are young,
some are old…..

And yes as if I had not noticed Some are also Jewish. SO fuckin; what? What’s your point?

Not all Jews are part of this cabal and more than all Germans are. You guys are not too damn bright you know it?

@Joe in Missouri —

Either you are deliberately not being honest (even with yourself) or you refuse to examine the subject in any depth whatsoever. Yes, if it were merely a case of a motley crew of disparate greedy men with no common creed or motivation or concept of “birthright” etc then one might agree with you that race and/or religion “doesn’t matter.”

However, it is HUGELY disproportionate with dedicated and networked Jews, per their own PUBLISHED goals and intentions and gloating successes which are likewise published via their own Rabbis and in-house news organs, etc.

It’s as if you were in Russia at the turn of the century, Jews/Communists taking over EVERY FREAKIN’ aspect of their society, and here would be little Joe from Missouri, desperately hoping someone would believe him as he spouts “hey, it don’t matter none, just a bunch of people together by happenstance, doin’ their thing, no common roots, no common creed, no common motivation, no published platform that is DAILY becoming reality, nope — nothing to see here folks, go on home, relax, there will never be gulags and deadly borders and mass executions of CHRISTIANS by these “non-Jews” yada yada yada.”

Yet even at that time there were countless indicators, newletters, mass rallies, the murder of the Tzar and his family, major undercurrents of all sorts and stripes clearly revealing to anyone with eyes that the money financing the whole shebang was coming from Jewish bankers, Jews were assuming the top positions (often changing their names to disguise their roots and affiliations) and in fact many world news corrrespondents (later to inlude incisive remarks by Winston Churchill and others) that it was almost EXCLUSIVELY a Jewish plot and fail accompli — yet you are so ignorant that all you can do is pretend that “young” “old” “straight” “gay” etc means that there is no cohesion and purpose and common connection underneath.

What a fool. One of the three links I provided earlier was this one:

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=648

Featured practically at the top just under the header was a short video that quite easily illustrates just how intentionally dumb your protests really are, bet you didn’t even watch it, did you? An even better bet is that you did not click on a single linked topic along the right hand margin, detailing the documented basis from which the host commentator speaks — the former JEW well educated in the realities of his own former culture.

Ok, little Joe, let’s now show everyone here just how much integrity and intelligence you really possess: I’ve isolated JUST THE VIDEO via a You Tube link below (so as not to overwhelm your poor brain with too much data) so please review the video below a couple of times and THEN tell us all that it’s just a few random associations among disparate mentalities! And that video doesn’t even BEGIN to cover the wider spectrum regarding the interconnected Jewish bankster families etc, etc. But let’s disregard all other matters, let’s just hear your reasoning re the short video, and see where that takes us, ok? Don’t be shy . . try to use more than a few dismissive expletives and illogical sputtering denials — actually show some depth to your presumed rebuttals so we can all follow your reasoning and documentation.

Here it is:

@Joe in Missouri —

Ok, you were asked to address a very simple and obviously cogent argument brought not be me, but by one of the “Jews” who is personally very knowledgeable on the subject. Moreover, it is not about “me” being clueless or not, but rather whether or not Freedman was “clueless” in his public lecture, or whether the video content was “clueless” and immaterial to the discussion.

Naturally, you would much prefer to pretend that it’s all about “me” so as to spare you the VERY difficult proposition of labelling these very well informed sources as bogus and incorrect and having to defend your position.

You would never in a thousand years succeed in refuting these sources, nor hundreds of others in the same vein that I could bring into evidence, so what option do you have left? Attack me personally (without addressing a single solitary point in the items offered) and then attempt to limp off with a few shreds of phony “dignity” as if in a huff of righteousness . . when we all see it for what it truly is: NO ANSWER to the actual material which is straight from reputable Jewish sources themselves.

All this came about because you rather abrasively attacked/dismissed another poster on this matter, AS IF there wasn’t a shred of evidence by which he and others might have derived an informed opinion. Perhaps we’ve at least demonstrated that there is more than one side to the issue?

Nevertheless you’ve made it clear that you’d prefer to drop the topic, so I will — if you will — ok?

@Carl — ok, you make some good points, I did sound rather rabid myself there at times, and we are in agreement in many ways purely with regard to the cop aspect. However it remains true that you did not, and still have not, actually addressed either the generalities or the specifics of the material that refutes your own rather nasty dismissal of those posters who regard the Jewish aspects as germane to the larger picture.

Like Joe from Missouri, even now you merely “disagree” with the offerings without daring to offer specific refutations (or more precisely, you pretend that not reading them and/or not viewing the video is somehow a matter of “principle” which allows you to continue disparaging those who differ with you, without being held accountable to logic and facts and expert insider discourse that shows your blanket assumptions to be highly questionable, if not outright false.)

I was wrong to attack you too personally for what I STILL see as a deliberate failure to address pertinent details, but you are also wrong to pretend that you can smugly demean and push aside those posters who dare to address the usury and corruption they see in the world and call it as they see it. You were “called” on it, and deservedly so, but I shall now drop the matter (and let you get in one more “dig” or last word if you so desire.)

The shared material speaks for itself far more persuasively than I could hope to accomplish on my own, so I’ll leave it at that.

Best wishes to all of you . . goodbye for now.

rl

@Jack Zeller

Just couldn’t leave it alone, could you Jack. Ok, my own final reply to you, as to the others previously.

First of all, it scarcely matters whether you proclaim yourself an Anglican or a Catholic or a Hottentot with a bone in your nose, fact is you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and dirty the pond like a duck with your crap — which by amazing coincidence looks and smells just like the standard BS someone like Abe Foxman would spew.

I never said that the Jewish mind control in Hollywood and the news media was a failure, far from it, and you certainly prove the case. (That’s even assuming you’re telling the truth regarding your true affiliations.)

It’s been said that one could be dropped by parachute into damn near any culture or society on earth, and within a short time one could learn who or what was REALLY in charge by simply observing when people had to lower their voice or speak in whispers among themselves.

So it is today re the Jews — again with the caveat that the common Jew most often has little awareness of how his or her support is being “used” and manipulated against mankind in general.

Woodrow Wilson wrote: “Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

Here’s the bottom line, Jack. You and your other two like-minded control freaks jumped all over some other posters who dared speak above a whisper on this vitally connected subject. You did so as if it were all a foregone conclusion that any so-called “moral” human would automatically knee-jerk agree with. Kind of like all those puppet Congress critters who bobbed up and down like servile shits to the Israeli Prime Minister during his White House visit.

The three of you brought out your little yapping trained poodles and tried to pee all over these concerned and AWARE citizens. I responded by bringing a 20 ton elephant into the living room, and the first thing he did was amble over to your screeching mutts and stomp them into silent red mush, THEN it turned around and blasted a mighty fart in all your faces.

From that point on all any of you have done is to pretend that elephant never entered the room, never demolished your pet prejudices, didn’t fart in your face and dare you to answer in kind.
Neither you nor the others have in any manner attempted to deal with the elephant on his own terms, because you damn well know you’d get flattened yourselves in the effort, and worse, the elephant might simply trumpet a few of his even larger friends into the fray, and all hell would break loose . . and not in your favor.

So I “get it” that you haven’t learned a thing on the actual issues (could tell that by your earlier failures to answer my points re cops) but maybe you HAVE learned that people are waking up to your line of shit, are NOT shutting up about the looting/desecration of our nation by the Zionist/Illuminati/Satanist assholes trying to muffle observation and dissent, and are NOT intimidated by the Carls and Joes and Jacks who thought a few casual dismissive SNEERS would suffice bury the question yet again.

Didn’t work this time, and hopefully, as more people awaken, it won’t work the next time either.

Good luck with all your coward cops . .

rl

@Loomis
Hey dude do the segragate the KKK or Nazis? We are supposed to look at every individual and judge them based on what they do. When Communism rears it’s ugly head here the jews will work behind the scene and they will work together and they’ll run the show just like They did it in Russia. They will do it here. You’ll notice the camp guards were all jewish.

Why would any honest person pretend to post as Henry Makow, when clearly those words were neither written by him in any of his published material, nor written by him as if he were online?

You faintly echo some of his points, but it is TOTALLY inappropriate to give others the impression that he had somehow logged on here for this discussion.

I use my own name, why don’t YOU, whoever you are?

Or at least pick a neutral nickname having no “smear potential” against another real life person, especially when Makow’s name was specifically used in connection with this touchy issue.

One might even suspect that you were Jewish yourself, and as with the final “Matthews” remark, could be construed as an attempt to “populate” the question with wacko-sounding extremists so as to darken what little progress was made here?

Tone it down with the shooting-in-the-back crap, it only reveals you as very likely part of the “dirty tricks department” which comes into play whenever word gets around that the “forbidden topic” is actively being discussed somewhere . .

And now, I really AM departing this scene, regardless of further ploys or crafty wordplay from any party . .

If the shared material wasn’t enough to open some mental doors, nothing more that I could contribute would make a difference anyhow.

Have fun, kiddies . .

rl

Maye you guys are right. I didn’t know about the Crips and Bloods. Of course, I can’t say I know much about things when you arne’t there and you are only relying on hearsay coming from three different sources. I know they murdered those guys in the helicopters, because they were there and witness to whatever happened with the dude that had the misfortune of being set up as Osama. The thing with Cops if we got rid of the garbage the Jews have loaded this country with we could get rid of half the Cops. I know many small towns with only White citizens and no police. Then Blacks move in and you find you need Cops. Then of course they need revenue. Maybe someday I will kill a Cop, but it will be in self defense. I’m not a violent man. I’m a lover not a fighter.

Good riddance you had nothing to add. Go to another chat room. Maybe a sex chat room. Because we will have no choice, but to kill Cops in the near future, because this government has done nothing to curtail drugs in the least. These busts you hear about keeps prices high so the CIA makes more on their drugs. People think legalizing the drugs will help, but it will make drugs cheaper. The thing is we could send 500,000 troops to Colombia and destroy their drugs and these cartels could not strike back like they do to their own government. it would make cocaine $1,000 a gram. Until the American people take their country back we will continue to go downhill. To solve our problems we will have to kill Cops. But guess what dudes. You waited too long. You should have attacked right after Waco attacks, because they didn’t have the technology they got now. Plus everyone hated the government. Now your guns are obsolete.

There are some real morons here that seem to think that we delegated to the feds the right to dictate what we put in our bodies, whether it be food or so called “drugs.”

The document is only 7000 or so words can you drug war morons please fin for me where we the people vested the federal government with this duty?

Regardless what I put in my body is an inalienable right. What the hell else could it be?

Think before you speak. I know thinking is hard for many of you but please try.

Does anyone miss richloomis? He’s probably gone to some other useless chat forum to anooy them.

THE NEW PARADIGM: As the Federalization of law enforcement expands, the “Police” increasingly become nothing more than militarily-armed, government-sponsored gangbangers hiding behind badges.

DanD

You hear of a police officer killed by drug dealers every now and then. This causes the police to become more dilligent. But as soon asd these militia or patriots take out a bunch of Cops when they go to do a raid you can bet thingswill heat up big time. Because the people will cheer and then the Cops will be pissed and they won’t want to hear things about being pro-gun. Then Cops get even worse. Then before long you got martial law.

When everything falls apart with the next Mossad attack will it make any difference? When the Cops have to deal with people under martial law and they’ll shoot you at the drop of a hat. When they won’t have time to deal with you. I say they will be in the way of militia getting at the Jews and politicians who have screwed us. We need to execute the politicians and replace them with citizens that serve one year and then are replaced. Our founding fathers gave us nothing. In fact a better system would be like the Kingdoms in Europe where one person has the say so and no vetoes, filibusters or referendums. But the politicians can spread the blame around. Now the Jews have loaded country with brown people. Our system sucks if the Jews can load our ountry with shit. Plus the drugs are everywhere. All our good jobs have left. But the worst thing is the wars and the federal reserve we get with these politicians.

Zecarias De La Rocha listed in the banner of this sick site is a Marxist, i.e. left-wing radical. Rose is a self-described anarchist. That’s all I need to know. These people are evil and an enemy to everything that is good.

One thing for sure this country will be in martial law inside of a year. If the Cops don’t side with the civilians we will kill them bythe thousands. You Cops better wake up. You better decide that the government has screwed you by allowing the CIA to sell drugs in this country and by allowing all the brown bastards in and by allowing the Jews to control this country. So you Cops better put down your guns, because if not we will pump you full of lead.

Greycoat says:
August 12, 2011 at 9:20 am

Zecarias De La Rocha listed in the banner of this sick site is a Marxist, i.e. left-wing radical. Rose is a self-described anarchist. That’s all I need to know. These people are evil and an enemy to everything that is good.

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And I suppose you are a statist Greycoat? I think you are the dangerous one Greycoat. Your post shows how little you know about anarchists.

Let’s get back to fucking basics shit heads. We have a God given inalienable right to protect our lives and property no matter who the fuck is trying to take it away. And yes FUCK governments that think they can do this.

Why the fuck should this create ANY controversy?

All the politicians executed were killed by the Jews. The Jews finance all wars. Everytime a politician says anything negative towards Israel or maybe they want to cut foreign aid, then that politician is attacked by the israeli lobby. If the jews control our government, media, education and banks, then how could anyone argue that Jews create this mess? I mean Mayer Amschel Rothschilds said, he doesn’t care who controls the army if he contorls the money. So you can see they can control by just controlling the money. Now throw in the control of the media, government and education you have to summize they control it all. If a company does something they don’t like and theywant to borrow money the Jew banks won’t be so eager to loan them money. If they want to screw you in the public arena they have all the media to do this. Just read the book, “The Score” by Rudy “Butch” Stanko.
So they can do what they want with the banks and the Jewish politicians, control of publishing companies, control of education and control of the government is just icing on the cake. There are others who have money like the Dotheads and the Asians, but the Jews hit you with the kosher tax, the holocaust, Israel crying for aid and weapons and with America baking Israel 100% they can do what they wantin Palestine. Many times the whole world votes against Israel in the U.N, but their whore the USA always stands by Israel. If we left them alone the Arabs would attack them and the whole world would attack them with sanctions and boycotts.

As a Jew, I wish I had some of that money that some posters here say all the Jews have :-)

And as the richloomis situation shows, one poster here can not be sure if another poster is who (s)he says (s)he is. Perhaps no one is who they say they are. Perhaps 90% of the posts are one single person arguing both sides so as to create distrust and “stoke the fires.” Maybe it is all another Jewish conspiracy.

No one will ever know, or will they? Maybe the people who run this site will start requiring social security numbers and dates of birth to verify people’s identity before posting.

No one will ever know.

Or will they?

I’m Jewish and it is what it is. We control everything. We control the banks, media, government and education. Over half the faculty at the Ivy League Universities are Jewish. 33 Congressmen and 11 Senators. We could run the show by just controlling the money, but why not control more? You control nothing in your own country. During the Communist reign we murdered 65 million. All shot in the back of the head in mass graves in Eastern Europe, but nobody cares. The Chinese Commies are murdering the Chinese by the millions. They can not say they don’t know since they learned what the Commies did in Eastern Europe. We could have moved to Madagascar or Khazaria, but we wanted to be where we could do the most damage. Now you fight in our wars. The police hold you back from going after us. Many of you would kill us by the millions and surely would if you knew everything we have done and the plans we have for you.

yeah, yeah, yeah, if they listed 1,000 of the world’s richest people theywould all be Jews. If you took the Rothschild’s and warburg’s wealth it’s estimated at 100 trillion. With this much wealth they could create 100,000 Jews with more wealth than anyone else. If you looked at the percentage of wealthy and well to do Jews it would be so out of proportion with the rest of society I don’t think you would want the figures printed. Just like the Rothschild aren’t listed as the world’s richest people. How many soldier are Jewish? How many Jews pump out septic tanks, work in coal mines and are volunteer firemen? We need a study on that. The truth be told the dirty work in Palestine is done by the Palestinians.

Well, if that is true @DanD [and others], then why would I support auditing and ultimately abolishing the Federal Reserve system? Wouldn’t that be cutting my own throat?

I would replace it with nothing. The constitutional function of “coining money and regulating the value thereof” would be returned to the US Mint which is a function of the Treasury Department. The paper money as we know it would either be backed by gold, silver, or other precious metal and could be redeemed at any time by same. If the fed gov’t is unwilling or unable to do so, then paper money would simply not be allowed.

Does that answer your question?

@jcz
You stupid goyim that’s what the Jews said he did to put him out of business. They said he was processing cows laid out in the yard dead and diseased animals, but they have USDA inspectors all over the place. It would not pay at all to process animals that way.

The only good jew is Brother Nathanael. He’s telling you like it is.

When should you shoot a cop?

The answer is simple and obvious.

At the same point you would shoot any other person.

We are all in this together, people.
When my children become more important than yours,
we are all fucked.
Pretty simple, isn’t?

Fight the power
and
If you have to

Take ten

Peace

The people are going to have to decide they are going to have to make changes. First with guns and then with their fists. Too late the politicians have really screwed uo this country

Cops can say all they want they do it to protect the rights of others. I feel they do it for a paycheck and a cushy job with heat and AC. When they are off the force they can get away with a lot. They can call on their Cop buddies. I’ve had a couple Cops that told me they got on the force to fuck people up. Technology should be taking Cops off the road. These cameras can give someone a ticket and don’t endanger lives having someone pulled off the shoulder. That’s very dangerous. They should put up the cameras and save the fuel with Cops riding around. Everybody has cameras and can film people doing crime. Cops can be called to go after bank robbers and other criminals. If when the Mossad commits the next attack and then martial law and the Cops don’y change sides we are all screwed.

Anytime a cop even conspires, let alone tries to, commit a crime shoot first and repeatedly into any of the cops unprotected area , head preferably. Even if you just see a cop loitering or prowling your neighborhood without being called get ready for defense and a preemptive strike against the mad animal.

This is quite possibly the best thing I ever read.

Even the intro about “knee-jerk” reactions is absolutely perfect.

Glad that there are still some critical thinkers left in today’s era where the fascist corporations are ruling our lives through the media.

When.the.tyrants.took.control.they.took.the.guns,but,the.police.had.guns.It.wasn’t.the.politicians.who.were.killing.the.people.It.was.thepolice.and.military.When.this.country.breaks.down.it.will.be.the.police.and.military.putting.you.into.the.camps.It.will.be.the.police.at.the.checkpoints.Now.you.think.you.got.freedoms.when.you,are.stopped.at.these.checkpoints.tell.th.Cops.about.your.rights.I’vebeen.to.Russia.and.they.will.stop.you.in.your.car.if.they.see.you.out.at.night.They.wave.a.flashlight.and.you.betetr.stop.Now.after.one.stops.you.you.could.be.stopped.numerous.other.times.You.have.to.stop.at.all.checkpoints.going.down.the.main.road.
You.want.an.experience.then.go.to.Russia.and.you’ll.see.the.checkpoints.and.Cops.and.you’ll.see.peole.haivng.to.show.their.passports.and.you’ll.think.didn’t.Communism.end.in.1990?Communism.si.in.America/There.is.a.Communist.Party.right.here.and.they.operate.without.fear.of.being.infiltrated.

Anybody here ever hear of Mohandas Ghandi?……
He started a SUCCESSFUL revolution in 1930 which ended in 1947 when the British finally tucked their tails between their figurative legs and India obtained its sovereignity.
He firmly believed in “passive resistance”.. NO violence.
Ghandi had the Sermon on the Mount and the writings of Leo Tolstoy for his guides. He read Tolstoy’s book, The Kingdom of God Is Within YOU… and connected with the truths.
… Just say “NO”…
No, I will not comply…. No, I will not give you any information, NO, I will not give you any more of my energy/money to use to forge weapons to kill me and my children.
No, I will not move out of my foreclosed home. No, I will not “move on”, you will have to physically carry me. No, I will not answer any of your questions. No I will not fill out your paperwork and submit it.
..
No .. NO… no.. NO.. No…… no no no no no…………….
.
As long as the people stand divided and FEED the reptiles, that is just how long they will be used as cattle and sheep to be milked, sheared, and slaughtered.
.
STOP feeding the system…. and stand together… GET OFF YOUR KNEES.

If somebody takes several decades to accomplish something were they successful? The Commies murdered people for 70 years. If someone was to give the people credit for breeding so many people they couldn’t kill them all that would be weak. The xorporations will always rule. The Jews will always rule the media and banks. The poor people could win if they all worked together, because poor people don’t need corporations the corporations need the poor people to work for them. But the poor people will never be organized because the governments will always stop them from doing anything. The rich bastards get to play

The constitution exists for the purpose of perpetual preservation of the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Never forget that this is what makes America great. Install this in any Nation, and they will also be equally great. Pride comes before the fall. We may be better off, but we are no better than any one else. Our constitution happens to be the thing that is better than any other. Bringing this back home, the police officers, as well as all of us, including thugs and thieves, have the right to LL&TPoH. Okay, thanks for disagreeing in your mind as you read that last sentence. Anyone who intentionally injures someone’s right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness deserves to have their rights to those rights limited. I am not a cop, nor do I play one on TV, but the majority I have met are trying to do a decent and honest job. I have met one who defies this description. He had my car hauled off and impounded for a non working headlight. I was pulled over while on my way to the auto part store to buy a new one. They had my car for 8 days before I was able to go through the process to free my car from jail. This type of frustrating injustice, no matter how badly I would have liked to have punished that cop, does not warrant killing him over it. At that time, I was an ignorant citizen. I didn’t know my rights. All I did was talk to the Chief of Police, who was a friend of mine, who told me they are doing all they can to get rid of this officer without bringing a lawsuit against the City. Me, average law abiding citizen, was Okay with that answer, I didn’t want to make waves. Today, I would handle that differently, but my actions would not include cop killing, maiming, or name-calling. Had this been a home intrusion or any other action that would pose threat of life to me or anyone around me, then cop killing may have come into play. Mind you, it would be under the circumstance that they are acting illegally, threatening life, and I have ascertained that this is not a situation that could be remedied in a court of law. My right to life than supersedes for me the cops right to life, despite the fact he may have a sweet family who would miss him. I like Larkens article, however he is more trigger ready than I am. He raises good points that all Americans should chew on and ingest. The point I raise is that all life is as precious as mine, and I am not willing to take that from anyone UNLESS they are attempting to take it from me (or anyone else illegally.) Yes, I would stop a rapist even if it meant my life may be taken in the attempt. I am not crazy. If there were a better way, like calling in the cops that a lot of people posting here seem to be bashing, and there was time, I would do that. No, I would not kill an officer of the law unless he were trying to take my life (and I was innocent.) In that case, Larken, I stand behind you and I can only hope I am the faster at the draw. How many of you have what it takes to change things for the better? How many of you are active in changing laws to protect your rights? We can do more together, but we have to “Do!” Complaing does nothing. Discussions with follow up action steps gets things done. Is there such a forum already going? Please reply.

I have not done more than glance at a few comments which were mostly that. I suspect that none offer real coherent reasons that we are the way we are, or any suggestions as to what we need to do to change it, and how we might do that. Obviously, well actually not so obvious, if you do not understand the problem, it is unlikely that any solution offered will not work. If you take a few moments and do a search on some combination of the terms orwells boot tyranny, face forever I will be number 1 or 2 on the list that comes back. I wrote the article under the name factotum666.

I am preparing a second article that, I think, offers some realistic solutions. It will be under my name Doug Nusbaum. The topic will be something along the line of evolution made us stupid

For those of you acting like like life is grand and that Cops are all honest to good people looking out for your best interest, you had better wake up.

No more are the days when you would see a Policeman and smile knowing he was a good person that you could trust to keep the peace, no today they are violent thugs with attitude problems and as one University study out of Michigan stated in it’s research that with in 10 years at the current rate we are going, more people will be killed by Cops than by Criminals.

@The Regulator:

Really! Where were you a cop, pray tell? Of all the posts on this thread that claim they are ex-cops, no one yet will state where, and what their name is. Got the courage? Telling the truth? Prove us wrong !!!

Time is nye. The Jews put filth in the White House like Bill CLinton, George Bush and now the illegal Obama. Obama will have to have some surprise and it looks like another attack will be needed and then they’ll declare martial law and suspend the elections. So you can apply heat to them but they get the final say. If you force the nigga to prove he was born in the states he’ll get the Mossad to pull off something, so you can’t win for losing.

The Jews tell our government what to do. Did our government tell the Jews we’ll create the federal reserve for you or the Jews used extortion to get it? The Jews created Communism and murdered millions freely for 70 years and nobody said a word. We keep attacking Arabs because of some bull they are hurting their people. Since we learned how many millions the Commies murdered cam we assume the COmmies in China are doing the same? But they are our number one trading partner. We attack Arabs for hurting their people. But say nothing and with the technology we have now you know some of what they do must get out.
The only way things will improve is we are going to have to shed some blood. We’re going to have to go after the government, but we must destroy it and then elect private citizens and they serve one year and then back to civilian life. Career politicians have ruined this country. This country will have to be destroyed in order to get ride of the bastards in power. The Jews never told us Bill CLinton had fathered a boy with a black prostitute. This has got to be the most bizarre event ever. To have a president elected that had fathered a child with a negro prostitute and then elect him president. You might ask why everyone doesn’t know about this, because the Jews media saod nothing. Remember Gary Hart the Jew media made it known he was an adulterer and he was finished? So read this again. We elected someone to the presidency who used to screw black prostitutes on regular basis and even had a child with one and after this we elected hin president. Would the American people have elected him president if we had known this. No way. Why didn’t the Jew media tell us this. Because they want corrupt people in office. Now Clinton goes around giving speeches and has made 65 million since leaving office. How does someone who has a child with a prostitute get elected president? When the Jews want hin elected. Now many that read the Internet knew it, but if one percent knows something it don’t mean shite.

Nick the constitution only applies to the federal government so the question of the constitutionality of local police is a strange one.
BTW I would like a link to the article you mentioned it sounded interesting.

thanks!

@Mick – the reason the BoR had to be added as an afterthought was to guard against peoples’ lack of intrinsic understanding of something the founders took for granted: what liberty is. They had wanted to be vague to leave it as open-ended as possible, hence the 9th Amendment. You even refer to your Bill of Rights “privileges” – indicating you don’t know the essential difference between a privilege and a right. The laws you site are themselves illegal, for being in conflict with the inherent rights of man to defend his rights, including property, by any means necessary. If your approach had been followed there never would have been a USA – it took men like Larkin Rose to make it happen. In your current mind-frame you would have been a tory. Go to http://www.originalintent.org if you want to learn what’s what in this country legally-speaking. This is a Great article. 100% true. H. L. Mencken observed that “every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.” – this article does a great job of explaining when, at least in principle, it’s time to start hoisting.

The Cops are what keep the citizens from getting at the culprits that have screwed up this country. We need to get at those politicians and choke the life out of them. POliticians have tunnels and cities built under all the mountain ranges into Canada and Europe. They’ve built these things since the 40’s. One under the Denver airport is huge. When SHTF they’ll go to these underground resorts and the rest of us will pay. Don’t let them get there. Where is their hair filtering system on these things. When they go to these resorts we should be waiting for them.They ruined your country, but get to sit out the billions who will be killed.

When this country falls apart in a year it will be the Cops who will man the roadblocks and checkpoints. The enemies will be anyone who has guns. When you pull up in your pickup with the guns in the back window or they start searchign everyone and they take your guns, then you’ll hate cops. Because they’ll tel you to shutup. But if you think killing cops now you won’t do it, but in a year or two it might be mandatory.
How many babies, children and women and decent innocent people were killed in GErmany when those stupid British and Americans hit a button and dropped their bombs? The same when they nuked Japan. There were millions and millions killed. A bad cop will make 500 people hate cops.
I mean millions of innocent babies and children killed, because the Jews needed us to protect Communism. So does that make cops better than these babies. If you could drop bombs on them it would be easy. But facing someone and seeing those little children’s faces those stupid British and American bombers could not have dropped their bombs. A bunch of cowards.
If the government decides to crack down and send us to the FEMA Camps and the Cops decide they won’t do it fine, but if they do, then they should should be shot. A cop is not more valuable than an innocent children killed by bombs in Germany, Serbia, Afghanistan, Palestine or Iraq. Millions of innocent children are being killed in this ignorant shit. Everyday maybe 5 children get their legs blown off in Asia from land mines. While others are worried about Cops. If we had nothing but small communities of White people we wouldn’t need Cops. These towns of 1,500 white people we would have no need for cops. Cops require cop cars and then we need speed traps for revenue and a whole host of problems. We’ve got white towns around here all white no cops. Towns with blacks and they got cops. The cost of these brown people is enormous. No brown people and we could get rid of 2/3 of the cops.

When you think about law enforcement think about BATF, FBI, CIA, OSI and think what they have done. The BATF were the ones who set the bombs in the Murrah building and blew it up. The FBI was involved in the 1993 trade tower bombing. The BATF murdered those children in Waco. The FBI and CIA were involved in 9/11. When these guys come around they push state troopers out of the way. The state troopers are the ones who come around and take all your guns when you do something they don’t like. We need these cops to go down on the Mexican border. We need them to arrest all the Mossad agents running around this country who are committing all the crimes. State troopers could come around and rake my leaves or stack my firewood.

The Police don’t like when someone doesn’t confirm to their standards. I’m 6’8″ 340 pounds. Police will not break bad with a big man. But I’ve seen them pounce on small boys. My father was a cop. He said the kind of stuff they call for backup today would get them laughed off the force. He says that started with allowing small men on the force. He said, They should go back to when you could be no shorter than 5’10” and it doesn’t matter if you’re 4 degree. If you’re 5’9″ you can not be on the force. I’ve seen men on the force who were 5’5″ and this is ridiculous. As soon as they allowed midgets on the police force and then women is when it went downhill.

@jon firskon:

Jon, your father must be an old man…I have been in LE since 1977 and am only 5-10, and I have arrested many men your size. Calling for backup came about because of the increase in litigation, NOT because officers were smaller! I always called for backup because I WANTED A SECO0ND SET OF EYES THERE TO PREVENT CIVIL SUITS AGAINST ME! Please, do not over simplify! Jack

@ Mike Trice,
Hey there Mike, listen, just a quick question…what school grade did you graduate? I ask only because your post is so absurdly ignorant, that I feel a bit sorry for you…Jack

@Jon Firskin

” was stopped by a cop one…knocked them all out…never heard a word about it…”

You betcha! (-: it always happens like that Jon…on Mars…

@Jon Firskon:

OK, so that’s the first change in your story…go on, you can do it, tell us what REALLY happened…by the way, people driving around town mooning gays ought to be stopped. And fined for being tasteless, mean, but mostly stupid. Tell us Jon, you really want to shoot cops because they stopped you guys from mooning? That is perhaps the funniest thing I have read in months!

To the ones that THINK they are safe:

Submission is just that! When you have allowed government and law enforcement to do as they please you have set precedence. This previous year I ran into a situation where I was told “I am putting you in handcuffs for your safety and mine.” I said NO! you are not putting me in cuffs unless you are arresting me! I am MUCH safer with my hands free where I can defend myself and would be even safer still if you go ahead and hand over your gun because pal, cop or not I dont even know for a fact if your mentally stable! So that being said The safety factor is only yours not mine! He attempted to cuff me I did not allow this so he said I was under arrest and I allowed it then. Charges were dropped. I am currently in a lawsuit for over 1 million dollars on false arrest and discharge of the officer. Just as 4 times now I have NOT stopped for unmarked cars. (This has happened so many times because I am a professional driver) And they can do nothing about it! The law is written n such a manner that it says you must stop for a police officer… Well if its unmarked then you dont know if it is as any idiot can buy lights and put them on a car! These are just small examples of letting the police know, YOU know your rights and dont have to tolerate them infringing on your freedoms and rights to benefit themselves! IT IS COMMON PEOPLE!! WAKE UP!!! The only one standing up for you, IS YOU! Oh, as an after thought… For the individual who believes using caps for emphasis is childish Here is some more for you! I certainly dont recommend you follow these examples because truth is I am big and quick enough to keep a single cop from cuffing me if I so choose. As well you need to knwo the law where you are as it may vary extremely as in the case of the communist state of Indiana. And last if you are willing to take such action even if the law is in your favor be prepared to suffer the responsibility until then. Oh by the way when the cop tried to cuff me I was nothign more than an innocent bystander that witnessed a fight outside of a restaurant and I was trying to give the police officer the facts of what had happened. So much for being a good citizen!

It really is time to fuck up cops. Because you see how they are satarting to act? They are getting cocky and they demand respect. I don’t give them any. But seriouls we have to kill then=m, because they are standing between us and the Jews who have fucked up everything.

“john firskon says:
October 28, 2011 at 5:20 pm

It really is time to fuck up cops. Because you see how they are satarting to act? They are getting cocky and they demand respect. I don’t give them any. But seriouls we have to kill then=m, because they are standing between us and the Jews who have fucked up everything.”

What kind of drugs are you on john firskon? I would have thought that natural selection would have gotten rid of your ilk long ago. We will get the bankers john but not in the racist lynch mob way that you envision.

@BobMarks
That’s al well and good. Yes, they should have thought they had nothing to lose. But maybe those people lack the desire to have done it. Maybe we don’t know what we would do. I mean you didn’t know if or when they would come. But we can’t say anything. Haven’t we fought in every jewish war? We know they are poisoning us with vaccines, food additives, fluoride, and they have lied to us about cancer and the viruses they create and then poison us with the vaccine.
We know they have lied about every war. We know Oklahoma City bombing, Waco and 9/11 were all inside jobs or done with malice intent and did we do anything? We have guns right now. But we have not used them. We are a nation of pussies and the sooner we realize that the sooner we might do something. How quick these bad asses will use a gun to shoot a deer or duck, but not to defend the future. It makes me sick these bastards act so brave, but won’t use these guns to defend their families and our way of life.
Oh, they’ll be ready in a few months when the government decided to alow the Mossad to commit another attack. We’ll be talking about what to do, but guess what it will be too late then. Right after Waco we should have marched on Washington by the thousands and hanged all the politicians and rewrote the constitution. The only solution is the people to govern themselves. You are the ebst one to govern inside your home. We should make our own laws and get rid of these career politicians. We had a perfect opportunity after the govenrment murdered those women and children in Waco, because they were our people, but nothing but consumers or cannon fodder to the government.
So we can not judge what people who were diarmed in Europe if we won’t get off olur fat nasty asses and start hanging these politicians. We’ll travel 500 miles to see cars go around a circle. We’ll sit all day watching negroes play team sports. But we will not do what we should have done years ago. After Waco we had 9/11 so the attacks are getting worse. The next attack is coming folks. It’s why they created the Patriot Act. The next attack ushers in martial law. If we don’t attack and hang these useless career politicians the next attack will be too fricking late.
These politicians make $175,000 a year doing nothing. How many of you make $30,000 working your ass off? Don’t you think you would be better deciding what is best for our country? I can’t say exactly what’s going to happen or exactly when it will happen. But they are coming for your guns. Just like they came for tens of millions in Eastern Europe and loaded them up and shot them in a field just because they wanted tog et rid of them. I can see it now they’ve taken our guns and you useless bastards sitting in your house watching Friends and the knock at the door and these bastard sin black with guns say come with us. You’ll say, hold on We just fixed supper and the tv works and I’ve just opened a beer. You Mr. are going to face reality real fast.
Your ancestors went to Europe and got invovled in WWI a war that was already over. That destroyed Germany and allowed Communism to be born. Then 22 years later they go there to fight and defend Communism. After that was all over they murdered the most intelligent people in Europe by the millions and Communism went from Germany to China. So this is what we get. We wouldn’t keep pur noses out of Europe’s business and we allowed the Jews to trick us into entering WWI. Something of no cocnern of ours. Imagine we were at war with Mexico and Canada and we had them beat and offered tehm peace to stop the war and go back the way everything was. it would be our right and the best thing for everyone concerned, but lets’ say Germany told Mexico screw them we’ll enter the war and beat the USA and after it’s over the signing of the Treat of Washington you give us Florida. We would be mad as hell if we learned this.
Well, this is exactly what happened to Germany during WWI. We entered the war when Germany had defeated the dumb asses for allowing the Jews and England to get them involved in a war just to weaken Germany. Germany had beaten them. Does the Monroe Doctrine mean anything? Why is it they claim they have to follow the letter of the law, but only when they wan tto. Those presidents signed into law when there were decent men and never thought the Jews would take control of our country.
So this is what we get for being stupid. If Germany hadn’t fought the Commies and the Commies took all of Europe so you couldn’t blame the shit on Germany. Could you say if all of Europe were communist today and the Commies had murdered the most intelligent in all those countries that that would be better than what happened? France, Spain and England should thank the Germans, but instead they stole their land.
So this is what we get. You think this country has gotten better since Vietnam? The drugs, rock music, race mixing and society going into the gutter. So there will be another attack. We will be a=tild to turn our guns in and they will come to your house if you don’t turn them in or if you say or do anything they don’t like. Would you open the door and give the bastard the bullets? Because all the wars and guns taken and people murdered it boils down to this. Right here in this country. There is no doubt if we had a Hitler, Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Patrick Henry they would have mad eus tunr off the tv years ago and they would have said to hang these bastards. Most people if you said we need to hang the politicians would say, oh such nonsense that is not the answer. The answer is to keep talking about the shit and letting everyone know what they are doing and posting on forums and reading books. That shit was past due in the sixties when the bastards started their plan to destroy us.
It’s time to march to washington and hang all the politicians. It will be useless to have a race war, because we’ll kill each other by the millions. The polic ean dmilitary could just sit back for a month. We would use up our bullets on Blacks and Mexicans and then the military would come in gather up the guns an put you in the FEMA camps, becaus eif they are stomping on your rights now, when they are arersting millions you’ll complain and about your rights and all you’ll get is a rifle butt in your face. It takes a decade now to get things settled in court. You people who think voting or complaining will get things done. Forget about it. You protest in thecities the Cops love that. Then they get to use their tear gas and lasers, tasers, mcior wave weapons, acoustics and guns on your dumb asses.
If we had massive protestd and the goons in black started their shit, but this time the windows from the buildings on both sides opened up and the people in the streets opened up on these bastards and killed them you then will have done what you should have done years ago. They have got to fear going against us like we fear them. Bill Clinton and Bush and Obama and all those politcians who have voted for this garbage you can’t tell me it wouldn’t be a pretty sight for those bastards swinging from the lampposts.

You are all being suckered!

Back in the 1960s, when the growing civil rights movement started pointing out that the Vietnam draft was putting most of the black kids on the front line and most of the white kids in the safe rear echelon areas, a booklet suddenly appears; a coloring book. It was called the Black Panther Coloring book and it was filled with highly inflammatory drawings of black kids shooting white cops.

Needless to say this coloring book scared and angered white people, and they stopped listening to the concerns of the civil rights movement, and Vietnam continued to its bloody and disastrous end.

Then in the 1970s, a whistleblower blew the lid off of the FBI’s COINTELPRO operation, and revealed that the FBI had, rather than chasing criminals, been sabotaging free speech by committing hoaxes and frauds, along with outright crimes,m against peace activists, early feminists, the native American groups and yes, the Civil Rights Movement. The Black Panther Coloring Book was one of the FBI’s many hoaxes designed to trick the public into seeing the civil rights movement as a public threat. Congress was forced to hold public hearings as the scandal came close to delegitimizing the entire government.

So here we are today, the FBI is still around, the Occupy America movement has become a serious threat to the Wall Street Money Junkies. Most Americans are starting to ask why the US did not follow Iceland’s example and throw the people behind the mortgage-backed securities fraud in prison instead of helping them buy back the bad paper with some $45 trillion in money borrowed against the American people.

Then there is the shooting of Scott Olson in Oakland and the flash-banging of the people who tried to help the injured vet (a violation of the Geneva accords). The US Government is losing the war for the minds of America today just as it was when the civil rights movement started to gain popularity.

And today, as back then, just when the government needs to reverse the popular trend, a booklet appears in Phoenix filled with inflammatory ideas, to be blamed on the targeted movement.

Fool me once…

Just remember ‘the first one’s expensive. The rest are free.’ – a John Ross character

If you think all cops do things legally monitor InjusticeEverywhere.com and see the daily transgressions of cops all over America. You have another choice. Yet you keep on electing Democraps and RepubliCons and expecting Justice. Aint gonna happen, until you Google “Don Cordell for President” and see Justice can be had in November 2012. We must stop bad cops, and given the nature of the beast, most cops lord over the power they have. They tell you, you will submit to them or they’de just as soon shoot you. The do not want to take any shit from you. They are the power, and all that happens if they kill you is they are given 6 months off the job with pay. It is time for Revolution so ReVote to Restore America. Lets show the cops, and Washington, we have retaken this nation.

@Michael Rivero, I was wondering if anyone was going to beat me to it, but you at least alluded to it:

http://conservativebyte.com/2011/10/alleged-flyer-at-occupy-phoenix-ponders-when-should-you-shoot-a-cop/

You folks would make GREAT KKK recruits….how about wearing robes, carrying torches, and lynching policement in public….

tools!

“Author: rufus levin
Comment:
You folks would make GREAT KKK recruits….how about wearing robes, carrying torches, and lynching policement in public….”

rufus levin, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. There are some nut jobs here but the fact remains that cops have been abusing and even murdering American citizens with impunity since their inception. They are now the standing army that the founders warned us about.
Are you familiar with cops murdering a woman holding a baby in Rudby Ridge? I assume you know about cops murdering dozens of children in Waco TX. How about cops cutting off a mans arms and legs with a fire axe while he was still alive? http://www.constitution.org/abus/gkahl/kahl.htm

I suggest you also check out the following resources:

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/098591-2011-10-28-anthony-gregory-live-from-libertopia.htm?From=News

http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-arch.html

When a police officer breaks the law, like anyone else he becomes a criminal. When he breaks the law using a firearm in the commission of that crime and endangers the life of a citizen and/or the lives of his/her family, that person has a clear natural and legal right to self-defense. Period. The courts can twist the law (that’s happening more and more), but from a legal, moral and any reasonable standpoint, that’s the situation. A criminal is a criminal whether he’s wearing a badge at the time of committing a crime or not. My own personal belief is that a police officer should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. He has tremendous power entrusted to him, and too damned many are abusing that power and the citizens they were hired and took an oath to protect!

Ian

@ Archie1954

Archie, you are spot on! And well said. The police will carry out their duties as they are trained, carry the ethics of their profession as taught, and morally follow the constitution as long as they are educated in it. I said, way, back in an earlier post that now is NOT the time to cut training budgets. It is the under trained police officer that get jammed up. Every time. Jack

@joe in missouri:

You are for sure a courageous patriot Joe. Yours is the statement of an immature teen. No wonder the public recoils at such as you…

@Jack Zeller
Jack you’re the Cop. Should Americans even give a crap if the FBI is involved in 9/11 and all the other crimes this guy claims. I know Waco should have had the people in this country rioting. A lot of experts are asking questions about 9/11, but getting no answers. I hate to say it, but I truly, truly believe this country needs a full scale revolution like we have never seen. One when the smoke clears the yarmulke boys haul arse to Israel and beg just to live in peace and ready to hand over their nukes and the control. One where all the bridges and buildings will be destroyed.

You think it takes centuries to build cities like they have in Europe and a war destroys it all. Then the people have to rebuild like the war gave them employment. In a war the rich don’t fight. They don’t rebuild. I wish I was wrong, but I think everyone worth over a billion should swing and we can start over.

http://www.camemorial.org/2001-present/estes.php

Ian Macleod:

Ian, I am surprised you are not out on Central Square smoking dope!

Jack Zeller:

Now your just being silly:

The links aren’t silly, they are self evident truth. The cops are almost to the man the criminals these days. In the 2nd link I provided, the media report even said the screen door was ripped off its hinges, yet somehow they “believe” the cops were invited in and “ambushed” by the resident. That’s like saying he committed suicide by blowing his own brains out, twice!

One thing about cops and thieving ‘crats, lawyers and judges must not have been taught by your mommies, is that anyone who will steal with you, will steal from you.

Once you finish empowering the communist takeover, what makes you think you won’t be right along side the rest of us in the concentration camps and the mass graves, huh? How many cops, ‘crats, and black robed English professors from hell do you think a communist oligarchy needs anyway? Same thing goes for the media whores. Nice thing is, that the mass of the public doesn’t have much left to lose anymore, so you guys have a *lot* farther to fall than the rest of us do and we will thoroughly enjoy watching the fall.

Its just starting, like the raided pension funds and the political attacks on your unions. But go ahead, keep sucking !@#$^ of your handlers, the globalist elites, and see how much reciprocal affection they show for you when you have worked yourselves out of a job.

Nice thing about being a tyrant is you can always find SOMEONE to do anything for a buck, even cut their own throat.

Thomas Jefferson’s seal said “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God” but I think it is even better reversed: “Obedience to tyrants is rebellion to God.”

There, is that enough “talk” for you?

You loser crybabies need to get a life. There is no “tyranny” in the US and cops are not the enemy. Go live in North Korea if you hate it here so much. THAT’LL give you a taste of tyranny. I’ve never been one of the “love it or leave it people”, but you people are the worst nuts I’ve ever seen. I truly think you need to feel REAL tyranny so you can come back to the US and kiss the ground because you will then be grateful to have all the freedoms you do have. In any “tyrannical” country, you’d be on death row just for writing the childish “Kill the Cops” crap on this site. Here, you have the right to publish this crap, however sick it may be. I, however, think this goes WAY beyond free speech as it incites violence against those who took an oath to uphold the constitution and to protect you. You should be ashamed of yourselves…but reading this “When you should shoot a cop” article tells me you have no shame.

Jack get a fucking clue. The BATF put ezplosives on the main columns in Oklahoma City. A fertilizer bomb will no take out the columns. It might blow out the wall some, but would probably on blow out the windows. In Waco they only wanted Koresch. Can you find out wha the original warrant was? The guy went into town everyday. They could have gotten hin anytime they wanted. They intentionally murdered those people. The CIA is nothing but a warmongering clandestine organization that should be abolished. How come the FBI will take the time to infiltrate trailer trash who are drinking beer talking smakc against the president, but can’t bust people planning 9/11? I would say you average FBI agents knows 9/11 just doesn’t make semse, but they like their $90,000 year jobs. Since not one politician has said anything about what the government told us that occurred on 9/11 I don’t believe you’ll find many FBI agents doing it. Because FBI underlings have to do what the head honchos tell them. But thousands know 9/11 was committed by the Israeli Mossad. Bur the offier in blue must serve the Jew. There are paper trails of CIA and FBI agents made millions shorting stocks on the airlines invikved ib 9/11.
The problem is the US government is organized with billions of dollars at their disposal. We thousands that know are not organized and we don’t have the money or manpower to do much. But if the officer didn’t fall into line and do what they are told they could not easily control us. I find it hard to believe that people even want to live in this warmongering country.
Just like in the Middle East it would be cheaper to just buy the oil instead of what we are doing. So it can’t be just the oil why we are over there. Have you heard of the millions of deformed Iraqi babies being born? Does that mean it isn’t occurring? Landmines left in Asis kill and cripple hundreds of people each year. Have you heard about this? Does it mean it isn’t occurring? Millions of women are raped and millions are murdered each year, but have you witnessed any of this?
The FBI knows right now Obama was born in Africa and could arrest him right now. The fact they haven’t does that mean his isn’t illegal? It means they aren’t doing their job. When all these crimes are committed by the Israeli Mossad I can tell you this the FBI knows the Mossad have done it, but a Jew heads the CIAm , OSI and for sure they more than likely have their agent heading the FBI. Now if we had a Cohen head of CIA and Goldberg heading the OSI and Greenbaum heading the FBI it wouldn’t mean shit to you. But this is why the Russians and Germans couldn’t get along with the Jews. SO the Jews wised up and they wrote the Protocols Of the Elders of ZION. That is why we pay negroes millions to dribble basketball. It;s why Jews control everything. They were kicked out of our countries so much they decided they would create a plan to control us.
But what am I thinking the government doesn’t lie. They never lie. Politicians don’t lie.

If you’ll notice society has gone to hell. Cops come from society so could it be a surprise that cops have gone to shit? There was a time when a cop had to arrest someone they did it by themselves. Now if they stop a carload of old women they call for backup. Quit being pussies and man the fuck up. It used to be a cop might question someone and they would decide it was no big deal and not press an issue. Now if you jaywalk or have an empty beer can in your vehicle you got trouble. I mean close the bars or get off our backs. I’ve had many people throw an emmpty beer can in the back of my truck. That can get you in trouble. Probably have your car searched.
Face it our ancestors would not have put up with seat belt checkpoints and sobriety checkpoints. Not that Cops woulsn’t have done it. They know when they have a sobriety checkpoint they know how many arrests they’ll make for other reasons. So why not have checkpoints on every road? They don’t because we would complain a little and they would have to hire twice the number of cops. But if they did like that they would make huge arrests and then not so many after a few months. The biggest waste is all the cops in the court houses. Although court house bombings have gone down by 50% since they put cops in court houses. 9/11 was about airplanes, so why did we get cops in court houses? I suppose it’s just more bullshit they do to us. What’s next after the next attack that’s coming? If they are going to hit a stadium look for checkpoints there. So if you accidently forget to take the knife out of your pocket then you are screwed.
, I used to take a knife on airplanes and they never said a work. How many people are stabbed on airplanes? I never heard of any, but the Jews and their 9/11 we can’t carry knives. I wish the Jews had just used guns on 9/11 and they wouldn’t care about knives.

I would love to see anarchy. The bad guys run the show now. The Jews run everything. Kind of like the Italians run the mob. But no tmany know there were more Jews in the mob than Italians. It doesn’t matter bad guys always rule because they want to rule. Good people don’t want to rule anyone.
We only need cops because of the cities. If we didn’t have cities we would only need 1% of the cops we do now. You could compare the amount of cops they had in places like Switzerland, and Iceland 30 years ago to the United States and Western European countries. The most blacks and Mexicans the more cops you will need. But as things get more violent it gets more violent for everyone. But just like the wars and having to clean up and rebuild it falls on the shoulders on the whites just like every other time.
Our cities in the USA are totally destroyed and who will have to clean them up? The whites of course. The whites built those beautful cities in Africa and the blacks have destroyed them. The whites built those beautiful cities in Europe and the Jews got us to destroy them and then we had to rebuild them, because the Jews and blacks weren’t going to do it. If the whites ever wake the frick up and decide they are sick of the Jews, then this bullshit would end. But things aren;’t getting better. They are more violent and dangerous than anytime. The only thing is the last twenty years the Jews have brought the violence to our shores and even though some of those attacks like 9/11 occur in some of those countries everyday, we cry about 9/11 and have anniversaries. We have a bigger anniversary for 9/11 than other countries have for signing peace treaties.

@Ian- No Ian, I don’t really want you smoking dope on our common…I just said that to confirm who you are..have a good day.

@Aguy and Simon – Spot on both of you, and well said…forensically I can tell you that the most violent sound makers here would be the least courageous in an atmosphere of true anarchy. They would be begging for protection. And in the present, probably painfully underemployed…

the problem with most you cops and cop mentalities out there is that your legal education comes from those black robed devils and their bar assoc minions, who do the bidding of the same scum we kicked out of here in the revolutionary war, rather than actually reading what the founders had to say, and what their issues actually were.

You think all this nonsense you do is the “American way” when you are clueless about what a bill of pains and penalties is, why paper money is not allowed in a “republic,” (or even what a republican form of govt is). Honestly, it would be more productive to try to explain this stuff to a bunch of poodles.

We lost this country when the Jews got their federal reserve. They did this after they wrote the protocols of zion. They wrote the protocols of zion and then financed the 1905 war between Russia and Japan and then tried to overthrow the Russian government. The politiicans had fought to keep out a central bank. No doubt Teddy Roosevelt loosened things up, because he was the first Jewish president. There was no way they could have gottne bearded yarmulke wearing Rabbi as president, but Teddy got the job and hardly anyone knew he was Jewish. So just after he’s no longer the president we get the federal reserve and right behind that we get WWI and then the Jews got Russia and by the end of the century they had murdered 70 million during peace time and got 100 million killed in wars.
So this is how we got to where we are today. We destroyed Germany and allowed Communism to be born and then defended it later. Then allowed the Commies to come to America and our country has gone down hill ever since. It wasn’t until the sixties we got drugs and rock and roll and then Vietnam and we were finished. Today we are nothing by a Jewish stooge country. We do whatever Israel wants and our politicians do whatever the Jewish bankers want. We didn’t stand by the president’s they killed. Kennedy was the last our presidents have been hand seletected by the Jews ever since. Now we have what might be an agent trained by the Commies as our president and this means bad times are ahead for this country. Just think we could be doing so much good. We could be cleaning up the nuclear waste and the landmines in Asia, but the Jews are going to run our country in the ground.

Mike Holecheck, you and others here need to learn to differentiate: it’s not just “the Jews” who are so central to the problem, it’s the same Zionists who are running Israel and ruining America, just like it’s not “Christians” being such fanatic stooges here. It’s the Dominionist-warped fanatics infiltrating the Evangelical denominations, people like Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan and others like that who hauling people like the Tea Party around by their noses. Religion, for those susceptible to it, needs to be banished to the private sphere, like sex. It just isn’t anybody else’s business, and not to be done in polite company.

Ian

War is just organized anarchy. Scum like Bill Clinton or George Bush or Obama who is illegal by the way decides to do what the Jews ask of them and to bomb a country. They bomb it for no reason, but they do it anyway. Wars are not necessary anymore. Sanctions and embargoes can take care of that stuff. If you give people sanctions or embargoes the people can force the govenrment to do the right thing unless it’s just a bunch of Jewsih bullshit where they want to force a country like Iraq to not build nuclear power plants and then you bomb them like Israel has done to Iraq and Syria. A country that can bomb any coutnry anytime they want.

Could you neanderthals please get off the “Jew” angle and just present facts please?

There are many in the Illuninati that are not Jewish. You make it sound like the Jewish grandmother that works at the corner bakery and her whole clan are in on a world conspiracy.

Zionism’s heretical brand of Judaism MUST have ‘anti-Semitism’ in order to survive. Truth be told, most of the world’s Jews are Caucasian! Going further down that pseudo-racist rat-hole, most of the Jews who are now alive or even those who ever lived are not and never have been Semites. Go ahead, Google Arthur Koestler.

DanD

Where do the Ashkenazi Jews come from?

The Thirteenth Tribe

The Khazar Empire and its Heritage
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/

@IAN,
No country has ever been bombed like Germany. They never firebombed a city until they did Tokyo and they dropped nukes on Japan, because they told Japan unconditional Surrender and they didn’t want that. So we dropped the bombs for no reason. Truman should have been tried for war crimes. This country rules the world and it looks like Russia nor China are going to tell us to get out of their hemisphere.

Steve:

Well, thanks for pointing out the crux of our problem. The ranks of our “men in blue” (like you) are mostly filled with narcissists and psychopaths. Oh, did I mention traitors? I don’t suppose you know that the whole reasoning behind the “regulatory state” that you love so much was that capitalism had purportedly “failed” and created the great depression (and not the communist institution of a central bank watering down our currency with fractionalized banking, thereby creating the balloon of the roaring ’20s, then popping said balloon by calling in farm loans and intentionally starving the economy until they could get their crony FDR – the “Delano” being from the “Delano” banking family of England – into office, put us into a war we didn’t want/need then lock stock and barrel transferring our “govt officials” over to the globalists — see the “Rod Class” action on youtube)?

I also don’t suppose you know that this “regulatory” “administrative” state is nothing new and progressive, but the same old crap we fought to get rid of, ROMAN CIVIL LAW where the state only recognizes “things” rather than the inherent right of “persons” as separate from things (cuz to Caesar everyone is merely his “property” also)?

You are so utterly lied to and propagandized it boggles the mind. Like I said, the only consolation for the rest of us will be to see you ultimately get betrayed by your “handlers” like you have betrayed us. Of course, we all could just decide to “survive” together, to go back and to seek the wisdom in what the founding fathers paid so dearly to give us, and to understand that the inbred, psychopath freakazoids will still not be happy after they have depopulated 90% of us so it is up to us to decide whether we live and put them out to pasture, or we die and the human race is ultimately doomed to extinction with these people in “control.” “To be, or not to be”

But just go ahead and keep believing the cognitive dissonant message you’re getting from your “cult leaders.” I’ve lost everything to the likes of you so I’m ready for death. Are you?

@ Kevin:

Kevin, you must be ready for death. To begin shooting cops is a sure way to achieve it in an efficient manner. Steve, I am with you brother. These posters are are mostly simply underemployed (and uneducated)wacko’s

Jack Zeller:

No need to shoot them, hanging is the traditional punishment. Nice thing is they pretty much all can be done because thanks to the oath there are no accessories. All officers who either knew or should have known rights were being violated by their fellow officers are principals.

Now we just have to educate these “occupiers” about the noble, historic, and legal duty of the Citizenry to form and participate in vigilance committees.

I agree whole heartedly with your article. I just want to mention that all of these jackbooted thugs say their violations of our rights is for “public safety”. Those who are the “law abiding citizens” are the same ones that make it possible for these violations to occur. By being scared of having their complacent lives disturbed, they unwittingly allow and even push for laws that violate our rights. The weak and scared trade rights for security.

There was a time cops would talk to you like they had sense. Now they holler and scream and demand answers, when you don’t have to answer any questions. By law you don’t have to answer any of their questions. But nobody can tell me that Cops don’t bring in their own trouble. They start by yelling at someone and trying to intimidate them. But the worst thing if they see one beer can in your vehicle they can search your car. I had hundreds of beer cans in the back of my truck. People will throw them back there. But today a cop acts like you can’t have cans in your truck. But this is how it happens. When the Commies want to take control of your country they want you drunk on cheap beer and plenty of cocaine and crack. The CIA dumps drugs on this country. There was a time nobody wanted a prison near their home, but today they fight for them, because of good paying jobs.

Hey Steve;

Why is it badge-dangling punks like you who always squeal the girliest whenever you’re confronted by something you can’t control?

Any way, are you really a cop? Or are you just a security guard rental wannabe?

In reality, it’s flip-idiots like you that gets the more sane and reasonable individuals of society’s greater LE infection needlessly slaughtered. So many good-cop lives could be saved only if your “brothers” just pumped a bullet in your head first. Then the rest of our national community may even consider that there still is a righteous element left among your community. But they do need to start house-cleaning out your brand of sewer-filth very soon.

DanD

@DanD:

Dan, please, yours is the rant of an idiot, or a 14 year old. The L.E. officers getting killed in the line of duty today are killed by lunatics, pure psychopaths and common criminals. Not by sensitive politically in touch visionaries such as yourself. I do not know Steve, but his post was spot on. Get real.

There are plenty of ways to get away with not paying taxes. The rich and corporations don’t pay taxes. They have trust funds and all kinds of tricks you won’t learn about unless you have a lawyer. They can leave their stuff for people while the poor bastards sometimes are left with nothing. But there are plenty of things you can do to pay very little taxes. You can work in this country six months and go visit your country you came from and you keep all your money. THen retire in your country and live well. If it weren’t for money wasted on wars, illegals taking jobs sending money home, money to pay soldiers, and money to pay for all the illegal babies and health care and get rid of the federal reserve and they could probably cut out taxes by half. We are being robbed in this country and the only solution is get rid of career politicians. Vote in decent citizens and replace them every year. That stops your career politicians from destorying your country. \

The average politicians is able to corrupt from the start, because he’s already made the decision he’s not going to weld, drive truck or farm to make a living. He’s decided he’ll just say yea or nay and kiss babies to make $175,000 with perks and benefits up the ying yang. So he’s very ripe for corruption. A farmer or construction worker they work hard and aren’t as easy to corrupt.

The seatbelts if they were so important why weren’t they used 50 years ago? If saving one life is worth billions why didn’t they use the airbag invention when they were created in the sixties? It just makes me smile all over when cops are so concerned about my safety and everyone’s safety. I’m reminded everytime one buzzes by me on the highway 80 mph. Also, you can flip the bird to the police it’s a finger and nothng they can do. I learned this on route 50 near Cambridge, Md. when current sheriff was on the other side of the highway and the passenger in my car flipped the deputy the bird and he ran us down and I told him get out of my face and drove off.

Instead of making cars safe for rich why can’t all cars have all the airbags and backup cameras and safety warning devices and the government can kick in money to help lower the cost. If it’s that important? Which is more important to wear your seatbelt or go the speed limit? I’m assuming the speed limit, but I’m curious why they stop you going over the speed limit they give you a seatbelt violation?

Also, I’d like to see the police report when someone is caught drunk driving if they left a bar or a residence, because I think it’s time to close the bars. If their purpose is to put drunks on the road, then it’s time to close them or force them to make sure none of their patrons are too drunk to drive home.

I drive a 1975 eldorado. I’ll take my chances in a big car. They are making cars smaller and smaller and it make no sense. They are making cars smaller and trucks bigger. If you don’t want to wear a seatbelt get a convertible one of the older Eldorados. They are cheap. I’ve got a 1975, 1973 and 1971 Eldorado Cadillacs. They are cheap and ride smooth and I don’t have to fool with a seatbelt.

Fact of it is that anyone touting the seatbelt law, or any of the nanny state laws for that matter, is committing treason against the constitution. If you were to study Madison’s notes of the constitutional convention, you would see that when the framers spoke of “the general welfare” they were not talking about welfare checks, but in fact, having there be federal buildings, like post offices, accessible in every reasonably sized community. To say otherwise would make them roll over in their graves. Not only that, but, for instance, here in California, the DMV/legislature is just flat out wrong about on purported “safety” statute/regulation. I was in taking my class M (motorcycle) written test the other day, and there was a question on it asking whether wearing helmets causes less head injuries, less neck injuries, less head and neck injuries, or none of the above. Well, I happen to know FOR A FACT that wearing helmets causes less head injuries and MORE neck injuries (because the collision with a helmet causes a more rapid deceleration snapping the neck rather than your skill potentially getting crushed in). And in fact, one with head injuries, if you survive, is more likely to recover due to brain placisity than one with a neck injury (ala Christopher Reeve). For example, look at Congresswoman Gabby Giffords and James Brady.

Now, I’m not saying you are not more likely to survive with or without a helmet, however, isn’t it each person’s own choice to make the quality of life v. the quantity of life decision? I think I’d rather die than be the next Christopher Reeve. But compelled, mandatory, over regulated, under diversified health care, creates a presumption that the nanny state owns your body, so they can make you do any dang fool thing they want to with it.

When I pointed out to the DMV lady that that question was flat out wrong (because their answer was “both head and neck injuries”) she said “oh, well, we only go by what the insurance companies tell us.” And since, even though I got the question wrong, because I didn’t fail my test (where if I had gotten that ONE question right I would have passed it) I had no standing to challenge the question so that stupid idiotic question gets to stay on the quiz until lightening strikes and not only is it the pivot for some pour soul, but also he has the gumption, means, and determination to challenge it. Every wonder why obviously bogus, unconstitutional laws (can you say “gun control”) stay on the books for so long?

Oh, and here is another example:

Way back when, I was reading a Popular Mechanics about what had become all the rage, 6 wheeled ATV’s (yes, this was the ’60’s). They were talking about when one should and when one should NOT wear seatbelts. Now all of these buggys were “topless” (e.g. convertibles) but some had roll cages. The rule of thumb was, if it has a roll cage, have a seatbelt and wear it. If not, you are far better to be thrown clear because at least you have a CHANCE of not having the buggy land on top of you. But today, convertibles that DON’T have roll cages are still equipped with seatbelts and wearing them is mandatory.

One thing no one seems to have been able to clue into is that insurance companies are COST PLUS industries. In other words, we think they want to save the consumer by reducing payouts, and there may be a small modicum of competition to that effect, but that is mostly, just like our “two party” political system, merely for show (like professional wrestling). In fact, they cry they are entitled to a “reasonable profit” which is a percentage of the money that goes through their pipeline. The bigger the pipeline, the bigger the siphon. Once again, govt is masterful at creating conflicts of interest and that is why the same (or inferior) health care for humans is 4 to 10 times as expensive as health care for animals.

Listening to the mind numbing communist rhetoric for decades has made us forget about what made America great, open, highly competitive markets with a free, diversified press to report on EVERYTHING. Business, products, and services, lived and died on THEIR REPUTATION! Why do we need all these regulatory agencies when things such as “consumer’s reports” for various industries, who also relied on their reputations for being fair and unbiased would allow the consumer to sort it out for themselves.

Now we are reaching a very dangerous tipping point, where those in public service, dependent on the public dole, and those dependent on them, are approaching 50% of the voting public. Once that happens the death spiral of American “democracy” will be unstoppable. It made me sick to see the public servant union trolls in Wisconsin picketing the governor when he was removing their right to collectively bargain because he was “destroying the American dream!” WTF?!? Since when was the American dream to get a fat cat parasitic bureaucrat job? I thought it was the right to go out and start your own small business on a level playing field with the big guys and have some modicum of a chance to strike it rich. Build a better mousetrap as it were.

I don’t recognize this America anymore. I’m beginning to agree with George Carlin. Its called the “American Dream” because you’d have to be asleep to believe it.

You actually make it seem so easy along with your presentation however I to find this matter to be really one thing that I think I’d never understand. It sort of feels too complex and very vast for me. I’m taking a look forward on your subsequent publish, I’ll try to get the hang of it!

@Zeller
Did the government decide after 80 years seatbelts were so important? I feel airbags are better, butyou can unhook them and Cops say nothing. I say that the seatbelt thing they figured they could raise a lot more money. They can see the shoulder harness and know if you have your belt on. They’ve probably raised several billions arresting people when they stop for seatbelt violation. If you don’t want to wear seatbelts buy a conbertible and be done with it. They can’t do a frigging thing.
Cops see that all laws make sense. If they did a study that chewing gums causes accidents the cops would fine you for it. They can stop you for tons of stuff. It used to be if you had a moving violation. What would you rather have someone who obeys the law and doesn’t wear a seatbelt or one who wears his seatbelt and drives 80 mph? Because cops drive 80 mph.

KOP KILLA, in his comment above said this: “COPS ARE SCUMBAGS AND SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT. LET GOD FIGURE OUT THE GOOD ONES FROM THE BAD ONES.”

KOP KILLA is probably a cop who is trying to discredit those who protest government tyranny.

If he’s not a cop, he should seek professional psychological help immediately.

@ Joe in Missouri

Joe, so sorry Dude… We can’t fix stupid, and you are it….

There is nothing worse they passed these seatbelt laws and you’re driving through a reisdential neighborhood 10 mph and a cop has to stop you because you’re in a moving vehicle and you aren’t wearing your seatbelt. That’s where the cop is stupid. I mean he can’t see you’re driving just 10 mph. Anyhow, I was driving through the neighborhood without wearing my seatbelt and the cop turned around so the next drive way I turned into and he drove on. I mean can’t the cops used common sense? He clearly saw someone driving without a seatbelt and thought CUSTOMER. After a while you just want to shoot the bastards when they do shit like that. I mean I’m in a residential neighborhood going 10 mph maybe 300′ to my neighbors house and a cop can stop me and give me a ticket. I know I am right that a seatbelt was put there if you wanted to use it. But the law had to get involved. They will go to a country in Europe or Asia and bomb them to make money, but we have to wear seatbelts, because they are so concerned about humans. I guess when you’re at war you have to wear your seatbelt in your humvee. I wish one of those Arab countries would create a virus that would wipe out all humans on the earth and then they can live in peace. Whites are sucking the Jewish ass and destroying the world. Without them we would not have nuclear power polluting the world. Something created by the Jews just to kill millions of people and they found some use and it’s not needed. WE have crystal clean solar power, hydro, and they could use hemp to run the power plants. It’s big industry that is polluting the world.

Two issue:

Cigarettes and killing off the rubes … Google PACK CIGARETTE TOBACCO AND RADIOACTIVE FERTILIZER. Back just after WWII when the government’s scientists were just discovering that atomic bomb tests were leaving some really nasty, long-term poisons “Blowing-in-the-Wind,” The cigarette companies were “influenced” to all start using a fertilizer that was mildly radioactive.

Voila! Now all those lung-cancer patients displaying a certain pattern of disease can be blamed on CIGARETTES, because the low half-life fertilizer is basically causing the cancer before it functionally “dies-out” (pun intended).

Second issue: The seat-belt laws were really never about public safety, that fact that ALL seat-belt caused deaths are left out of the equation establishes that! Entirely, SB laws are about “revenue-enhancement,” and the fact that it’s nationally mandated, event the individual states cannot refuse to enact and enforce them. Here in California, the Chippy-pigs go up to Altadena’s (LAC) community regularly (mostly because it has a lot of minorities in it) and set up “seat-belt traps.” Old grandmothers doing 5 miles an hour to go visit their kin two blocks away are cited, and nowadays, that’s $154 a pop!

Every time I hear about a CHPpy pig getting splattered on the freeway, I figure that at least somebody got rid of one excess government gangbanger hiding behind his badge, and at least I won’t have to worry about that oinker stealing my hard-earned cash from me with his cowardly exploitation of a government crime-family “law.”

Nowadays? You’ve got to be criminally predisposed if you want to be a cop.

DanD

Thumbs up, from a sworn LEO

Zac:

who are you thumbing up? Because if its that the police should be held to the same standard as the rest of us, then I salute you!

Cops will become hated more and more as they set up checkpoints and always stopping people because of seatbelts. They started doing this shite for a reason. People start to feel the cops can stop them anytime. You forget to renew your license. Your insurance laps. You got a joint in the ashtray. Things that bother nobody, but you go to jail for it. Things are going to get interesting, because it’s going to get worse. The first time we strike back and kill several cops they’ll be ready for martial law. Upon declaring martial law if there aren’t 1,000 dead cops inside of a week it means we are not going to fight for our rights.

He was a Cop in Maryland State Police and I know he was stopped a few times and I know it’s called professional courtesy Cops go on drnk driving they didn’t used to give other Cops tickets for a damn thing.

What should piss the cops is they could easily send in the military into Colombia and Bolivia and keep troops there so they can’t produce their cocaine, but the CIA dumps drugs into America. When the cops bust a drug ring the CIA is able to get more for their cocaine. It’s a joke played on cops. Think if there were no drugs how much easier things would be. If any of you think we can send troops to Asia and Europe, but can’t sent troops to third world countries to destroy their drugs, then you haven’t learned anything. This is why we need citizens elected to office and replaced after one year, because politicians don’t have to care. They live in the rich gated communities. You notice when they first run for office you see them out campaigning and once they’re in office they don’t have time for the common folks.

@Don
Don, You know I was going to run for president, but I was going to use a different method. I was going to spend a year and a half going all over the country and talking to everyone and tell them what was wrong. What is wrong is the Jews control our country and it’s why Israel tells the U.N. to get screwed and we attack other countries for the same thing. But something came up and I to put it off, but I knnow I wouldn’t have a chance to win. You have no chance and no third party has a chance. You remember Diebold the touch screen crap that they can program. Well they still use that in states they want to win. In Florida, Cali, Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania and Texas. If they get those states you can’t beat them. Remember the chad crap in Florida? Jews who claim they are so smart couldn’t punch out a card. Oh, vey ve are so friggin stupid. You think the Jews are this close to totally dominating the world that they will let someone come in and screw things up? You think they’ll let Ron Paul get rid of the federal reserve? The Jews own us and if anyone claims it’s zionist and not the Jews, then have one of these Jews ventilate these media and banker Jews that arre the problem.
Didn’t you learn with Ross Perot? He had a good message and spent 60 million and couldn’t win a state. If it was this easy we would have done it years ago.
I’v said for a long time if you want to take back your country you’re going to have to do it with guns. You’re going to have to execute the politicians. Anyone that steps in to stop this like “COPS” will have to be taken care of. Let’s stop the nonsense. After the country is destroyed then we have to elect citizens to public office and get rid of the lawyers. Let them do the paperwork, but not the voting process.

You haven’t realized how bad things have gotten. Clinton had raped women and bred with prostitutes and used drugs. Bush was a draft dodger. Obama is a fraud and everyone in the government and the FBI knows this. He could and should be arrested right now. This is what happens when you have career politicians making decisions. If you had citizens deciding they would vote to remove Obama immediately.

When you elect criminals like Clinton and Obama you give the Jews more control. Obama needs a smokescreen and he needs soon. This will probably be anoter 9/11. The 9/11 inside job got everything in place and now martial law can be a fact in a few days. So even if you had a legit way to actually be voted in it’s too late for that. Because I don’t think you’ll see the next election. I think they’ll suspend them, because we’ll probably have a civil war by then.

When this unrest occurs it will be like every other one that has occurred. The populace have been raped so long and so many cycles created and too many people learning the truth. So what you need is people killed by the millions. Now if we killed the politiicians, filth, and cops, then we could rewrite the laws. Nobody can tell me if the citizens made the laws that this stuff would not happen.

Our founding fathers gave us a shit government. If not how did the Jews get their federal reserve, media control, and how we got involved in Asian and European wars? Now our country is full of drugs and crime and the states now see prisoners as big business. Feeding them, clothes, transporting them and money in the courts. So many people love their cage kicking jobs where they only have to sit back and unlock cages and nothing else.

If everyone just realized kill all the politicians and Cops are going to get in the way, so kill them until they quit. Now even this won’t matter, because the government is going to bring in U.N. soldiers from Russia and China. Who knows how ugly this will get. You could be talking about Communism rearing it’s ugly head all over the world and we are the only ones that have guns. So the battle is huge repercussions. We must win and this might mean being stopped by a cop and a whole bunch of guns in the back seat and you got to take out the cop. Not that you want to, but you have to.

Look what they did in Oklahoma City, Waco and 9/11. They were all planned and each one got worse. The next attack look for a football stadium or some forum where tens of thousands will be killed. The Mossad and your government will be the ones who commit it and with that being said does it make sense that we do what the cops say? I mean we’re being attacked by the federal government and you would hope the cops would attack this government who killed their boys on 9/11. The world has been wrecked economically. Remember 1929? When the world was thrown into a depression by the same Jewish bankers who have created this one. Same shit different year.

So the choice is yours. The federal government murdering citizens to control them by the thousands after we learned they have been poisoning us for decades. But seatbelts are so important? When we are in martial law and rioting and cops and their bullshit will mean nothing. They been used by the government for decades dumping drugs into the country and cops arresting people for jay walking. Most people just want peace and quiet, but the corporations want money and the government wants total control. What the citizens want and these other entities want are totally different.

What you are going to have is the government will commit another attack and then declare martial law and this means the federal government controls everything. It will mean checkpoints and if you talk about constitutiional rights you get tazed and a gun in your face. The KKK and differnet organizations have tried to tell you for a hundred years, but you said screw the message and kill the messenger. You went to Europe and destroyed Germany and now you’re going to pay. Things will never be the same again. You could wake up next week and have Communism at your door.

things i love about cops, besides the millions of overpaid corupt cops

they dont serve and protect they hand out the most tickets they can to take money out of hard working americans and give to the city, county or state.
also out of every ticket depending on who pulled you over a large percentage of that ticket goes directly back to the police ranges from 6% to 22%
that is used to pay for their uniforms, bulletproof vests and guns, brand new chargers, impalas, epeditions, tahoes, suburbans, escalades, or undercover cars they get new every 3 years. even if they did lease thats a ton of money and they have to put on decals and turn into police car. then you got these moron cops that want top of the line computers with wireless internet (tax payer paid not their pocket) new radar detectors, even low profile light bars because old school class ones are cheap and dont look cool. then light bars inside cop car in front and back and turn signal lights.
now they got new grant money costing millions for each state to pay for 16 lane radar scanner with software and liscense plate laser tagging and on their front and rear scanners to scan liscense plates in parking lots and on highway. ( their rational to find stolen cars) but would include liscense plate problems, no plate, dark covering, expired sticker and millions more instant tickets.
just like when 2 or more people get in an accident, a report is filled up and cops hand out more in fines. thats your job, you cant ask for more money.
besides the cars and toys in cars and equipment they were cops drive around where ever the hell they want and they waste tons and gallons of gas everyday. the taxpayer pay for local and state cops to drive up and down in circles.
then while they are driving around they dont have to obey traffic code or law for stop signs, stop lights , or speed limits.
another cop isnt going to pull over a cop for going 60 in a 25 zone nor give him a massive ticket. countless times i have seen on the highway where speedlimit is 65 or 70mph cops fly past you going at least 80 or 85 or 100. no lights or anything
i cant make a citizens arrest on cops for speeding. what they are trying to do is find people speeding to give them massive tickets
and a large amount of these idiots drive big 4 dr cars or suvs that dont have a small fuel efficient 4 or 6 cylinder enging, they have big v8s and alot of the chargers have hemis or srt8 hemis that have 340 and 425hp respectively. that alot of horses and is a sports car, a very expensive sports car that they can drive however the hell they want! dont have to buy it, or repair it, pay for gas and wont ever even get a ticket for speeding, blowing stop light or get parking ticket.
many of them are even taken home so they dont even have to drive their other car to work to get into their squad car. must be nice using police car for errands
in what world is it just that police officers in the US drive nicer cars than 90 percent of americans?
even people that get good jobs with benefits like free company car they dont keep getting new cars, free gas for life, never pay insurance or repairs that cost alot including tires oil changes brakes tune ups transmissions
what happened to the days of police driving old school impalas? why cant they buy and drive a late model impala that already has the police package installed?
i mean you can get late model impala for couple hundred dollars and it will run forever
then when it comes to a police pulling you over they have all the power let alone its a felony to turn on their lights and pull you over but thats a whole other agrument.
too many people dont know their rights and just give into police and just want to be polite and hope they give you a warning
i can go on and on
also police are against the constitution, and we citizens give them power to keep peace. there needs to be more people and citizens to regulate than a couple internal affairs guys per couple hundred officiers

I found your website via survivalistboards which I have been banned from for posting stuff like this; I rarely post there anymore and only occasionally check it to see if there’s anything worthwhile, which there usually isn’t. THEY are very PRO-POLICE! I don’t expect the reference to this article to last long when THEY finally notice it.

I haven’t fully read the article but I saw a YouTube video about this and I agree with everything. By today’s standards our founding fathers are all “TERRORISTS”. And I don’t think PEACE will do it now just as it was back in 1776 — it is going to take some ass-kicking & hard-work to get things straightened out!

I find it deplorable the way POLICE are acting today. I had my truck impounded for no other reason than the SHERIFF said so. I had slid off the road in a winter storm with NO damage to anything other than I was stuck in a farmers field. I took this to court and it was dismissed as are most cases I hear about today.

Thanks for this site. I will be back to see what’s up.

I mostly agree, but some of what was said is little over the line. When he said that we have the right to kill government agents for violating our rights for example. Would that not be a violation of their rights? All the talk of killing is a bit much which is sad as the point he was trying to make was solid. We do have a right to resist tyrannical government, but that does not give us the right to go around being “cop killers” unless they try to kill us.

It should scare the hell out of people when they see what kind of nuts are loose on the earth. You people are all in need of serious medical attention.

@Richard Rhodes – you are spot on…just look at the next comment by one John Kreig… but like most commenters on this site, he would never have the guts or courage or real convivtion to do it. It’s all hot air from them…

There is nobody that will do anything. The brave ones from 150 years ago, but all they did was fight bravely in another Jewish war, so it was all in vain. The Revolutionary War the people of this country drove out the enemy. If there was anyone who was going to do anything it would have been after 9/11, because the government intentionally targeted those people even though they claimed they only wanted Koresch and they could have gotten him anytime. The were watching the property for weeks. The guy went into town everyday and he even jogged around the property everyday. The day they went to arrest hin he had just driven back from town. Their intentions were to kill everyone. The women and children. So Waco should have been a wake up call for the people of this country. They could have gotten the guy in town even though the arrest was bogus. They wanted them for weapons violations. But there were no violations. That was the best time for the militias to attack the government. Because it’s a huge country and their beef is with the government. So this means congressmen. But don’t worry about them. They all have resorts they have built in both mountain chains since the 1940’s.
This is just a guess. But I believe they will cause earthquakes which will trigger volcanoes and this will cause nothing to grow in the Northern Hemisphere. This will mean billions dead inside of a year. They want to kill billions and they have two options vaccines and no food being grown. They’ve already created hybrid seeds and this is means they control the food supply.

The white race has been shit on by the Jews for thousands of years. They just did their corruption until they were kkicked out and they never had roots. It was so easy to just move to another country. The Jews have killed thousands over politicians, reporters, scientists and investigators over the years in every country. We won’t kill one Jew banker or one Jew media mogul that is trying to destroy our country. The Jews murdered millions in Eastern Europe, but those people won’t murder the JEws who remain and in many places there are damn few Jews left, because they have hauled arse out of Russia. They own the USA. That’s why this country is full of drugs and full of porn and corruption. If not for the Jews you would not have the crooked politicians we have now. We could probably get laws passed that could rewrite the laws and eliminate career politicians. Because they are the ones who will vote in favor of the ones with the deep pockets and the lobbyists. If people were to serve for only one year, then these special interest people would just go away.

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@ joe in missouri

Joe, you should really go back and complete high school, learn how to read and write, and then perhaps a course in logic. You are right about one thing. WE ARE THE LAW, means that the people write the laws. The people pay police to enforce the laws fairly. If you don’t like the laws, change them. Don’t blame the cops for carrying out the peoples wishes. In other words, don’t be stupid. Can we fix that? Jack

KPD said:
@ joe in missouri
Joe, you should really go back and complete high school, learn how to read and write, and then perhaps a course in logic. You are right about one thing. WE ARE THE LAW, means that the people write the laws. The people pay police to enforce the laws fairly. If you don’t like the laws, change them. Don’t blame the cops for carrying out the peoples wishes. In other words, don’t be stupid. Can we fix that? Jack
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KPD/Jack
I think all would be served best if you addressed the issues rather than expending your efforts on character assassination.

I have written no laws Jack and no one that represents me has written any laws.

People that carried out the peoples wishes as you suggest as being good were judged guilty and executed in the Nuremberg Trials. It is you, that needs a course in history, logic, and good manners.

I think you are under the delusion Jack that we live in a democracy where any old thing that the people want is justified and should be inflicted upon me. Do you even know the difference between legal and lawful Jack? A democracy and a constitutional republic? Or do you even care?

Joe:

No, that torture law only applies to U.S. persons which are aliens, denizens, or corporate fictions. Where does the constitution or declaration of independence talk about “inalienable” rights?

See, the problem is your ignorance of the terms. The issue is that those laws that are there are unconstitutionally void for vagueness because they are not written so that people like you, and the average cop, can understand them. That makes it so that you cannot find PLAIN, speedy, and adequate remedy in the ordinary course of law. The emphasis is on “plain.”

Alexis de Tocqueville wrote in his book “democracy in America” that America was great because America is good. For example, the number 1 best selling book in America in the 1800’s, right after the bible, was Blackstone’s commentaries on the common law of England. He found it remarkable that even little children knew the law inside and out. And why not? Because American’s were proud of the system of government we had established and we knew that knowing the law was the best way to exercise our political rights.

By letting our employees in govt dictate what our schools taught our children, the first thing they did is phase out the teaching of “civics” (which was about how to protect your individual UNalienable rights) and replaced it with “U.S. Government” (a dry, mostly fictional account of the mere mechanization of the legislature).

Here’s an example of how utterly ignorant you, and 99.9% of the rest of society are (not meaning to be denigrating, just illustrative):

Have you heard of “fully informed jury rights?” The right of the jury to nullify bad law and know of this? Called the “right of conscience.” Well, according to those black robed English professors from hell, no law allowing the jury to know their rights in this regard exist (and indeed no such right exists). Well, that is flat wrong and so far I’ve found it in EVERY state, either in it’s Constitution, or in its codes. Of course you would not know it unless you knew what you were looking for (and you very well may have learned it in civics).

There are two sources of law: man and God. God’s laws come from nature and the bible generally perviewed through the common law. Man’s laws come from the customs and traditions of the merchants, the Constitution, and the legislative enactments.

Each state has a law that states “in criminal actions in libel, the jury will rule the law as well as the facts.”

Guess what? Libel is not necessarily limited to a defamatory publication. It actually means: “anything one does that has a tendency to interfere with another’s ability to have friendly intercourse with his peers or conduct business.” All actions in Roman Civil Law (e.g. man made law) are commenced with what is known as a “libel.”

So you see, your rights are already IN the law, you just don’t recognize them, and certainly neither cops nor judges are going to tell you where they are because they profit greatly by having raised you up as a crop that they can then later harvest.

Wake the F up and stop getting your education from government schools, mass media, churches, and most certainly judges and lawyers! They are ALL lying!

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A few years ago I would have probably said the person that wrote this was crazy and paranoid, but after all the laws that have been passed in the last few years I can’t agree more.

You people blame the Cops and others blame the drunks, but you don’t get it. If drinking is such a huge problem maybe we shoudl close the bars? People would say you can’t close the bars, but if closing the bars would solve the problem, then that is the solution. If they closed the bars for oen eyar and accidents were cut in half and drunk driving was down 60%. Would you people argue to close the bars? I mean what if they had places where people gathered and they beat the frick out of people and then everytime they left that place they would beat the frick out of everyone. Then the law would close those establishments.
I’ve driven around over the years, maybe a tad over the limit to maybe a couple beers over the limit maybe 300 times. Out of those 300 times maybe 8 times I had left a residence in this condition. If you take that as an average anyone would have to agree that closing the bars would stop that, because if you’re at someone’s home and you drink you can sleep there before you leave. Or maybe you’ll drink home more and not be on the road, but the arguments from idiots are that you’ll just get drunk at hoem or people’s houses and ride all over the palce, but I beg to differ, because I’ve gotten plenty of booze at home and gotten drunk and went to bed.

So I ask everyone if bars put 75% of the drunks on the road shouldn’t we close the bars? I mean everyone of you know how many times you drank home and someone elses house and drove and how many times you’ve driven home froma bar. You have to leave a bar. They won’t let you sleep with your head on the bar for an hour They make you leave. You got outside and it’s 30 degrees and you know damn well you arne’t goign to sleep in your car, you’re going home.

So what do we citizens do? I say screw it close the establishments that cause the p[rbolem and screw the people who have to screw fat chicks. We would probably solve the pregnancy problem. The accident proiblem. This designated driver stuff is bullshit. CLOSE THE DAMN BARS and the people who run them have to actually get jobss instead of participating in putting thosuands of drunks on the road. I’ve sat in the parking lot with many drunks, because I didn’t wan tthem to drive in that condition, bu5t the bar wners didn’t give a crap.

If you had strip clubs and houses or prostitution on every corner do you think people would screw more whores? Why is the answer right in front of our faces, but we can’t see it?

My guess is if bars closed the windshield, paint, towing, car manufacturers, impound lots, and the courts would lose tens of billions of dollars a year and that would be the result of closing bars. Not one Cop can tell me that they didn’t arrest 70% of their customers when they left an establishment that served alcohol.

If the people made the laws we would approve of bar closures and we would allow people to sit home and smoke a joint and stay off the roads. I bet you the Cops arrest millions each year that leave ball stadiums drunk. They were super stupid, because they got drunk on $7 a can beer.

James zellar says:
December 22, 2011 at 10:15 am

What is wrong with you people. Shooting cops, anti Jewish, all this trash you
talk. Give every cop in the nation a day off, a blue flu then see what happens. You will be depending on gun nuts who are really trigger happy. Do a ride along w a local cop on a Saturday night dealing w all the drunks who are out of control. Then see where you stand.
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James you need to learn your own countries history of the standing army that you call cops being a very new phenomena in this nations history. We did very well and could do very well again without them.

For some reason those that attended government schools do not seem to know ANY history at all and are therefore doomed to repeat it’s mistakes.

I do see your point to some degree there is a time and place for violent resistance. However I think the way you present your point is on the extreme side. Yes you are right a evil law is still evil even if it is a law. But to advocate extreme resistance for even the smallest violation of our rights is a quick way to anarchy and at that point the lawless will use extreme violence to impose there idea of law on you, all you need to do is look at the violence in Mexico. All im saying is only use violence when nessisary. Just because a cop pulls you over for speeding doesn’t give you the right to shoot them. Now if they break into your house with out just cause and is trying to hurt or kill you or your family by all mean put two in his chest one in his head. Remember never take a life unless you have no other option. Trust me its not like the movies. (two tours Iraq one in Afghanistan). I do respect and agree in part with your posision but I can’t advocate uncontrolled violence.

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Great work! Guess some these people don’t want to know the truth but don’t shit about how the law really goes! I could tell u some shit that cOps have put me thru that would blow your mind so I say fuck them all everyone of them that think there badge is a crown!

Cops are fond of saying they have families to go home to, and thats why they jump the gun so often. As if to imply that their families safety and security concerns supersedes your own concerns you have for your family.

In fact this cowardice is traitorous to all law enforcement is supposed to represent! As a leo, you forget your family. Ya dont bring em to work with you and you dont allow PERSONAL feelings to effect your PUBLIC job. Allowing fear to influence a decision that could result in death for a person is CRIMINAL. If the job scares you, find a new line of work. Before some hot shot, supreme court protected stupid, pig starts squealing about how dangerous their job is- save it. I was a certified eod tech, and handled unexpended ordinance every day. After that, I ran a blast crew in a goldmine. Cops. Lazy cowards.

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Has anyone actually put any of these supposed “rights” to defend ourselves against criminal cops to work? I’d like to see some examples and actual legal precedents. I’m unaware of anyone killing a criminal cop who lived to tell about it and wasn’t prosecuted as a cop killer. The courts pay lip service to our rights, but only when big-gun attorneys, the ACLU, or the media force them to, do they actually follow up on them.

The Supreme Court, for example, will make a ruling that is supposedly binding for the entire country. Sure, that case applies to the defendant in that particular case, but try to get your public defender to see that it applies to you in a virtually-identical situation. Why isn’t it automatically applied?

If you’re not rich, famous, or lucky enough to get a pro-bono lawyer who cares, you’re screwed. “Justice” is extremely expensive and the police know that once they target you, you’re going to suffer. Either you will be found guilty or pay thousands or tens of thousands for your defense. And they have legal immunity to act against them, in the event you’re totally exonerated. And you certainly don’t get your legal fees back, when you’re found not-guilty.

The courts and prosecutors have established over and over they will almost invariably side with the cops rather than the citizens, regardless (or in spite) of the facts. “A house divided against itself” and all… They declared war against the people long ago and cops are on “their side”, while citizens are the cash cows and whipping boys for the sociopaths in political power and in uniform.

They sided against the whole populace in the 60s when they realized they don’t have to restrict their abuses of power to the voiceless, minorities, homeless, etc. They discovered it’s easier and safer to beat on hippie kids having a sit-in than confronting criminals. Hell, they can beat up rich people’s kids and the jackboot-licking, cop-worshiping people in this country will make sure the kids are chastised for daring to upset a cop and how they’re no good because of it.

They also discovered handing out tickets makes money, while fighting and solving crime costs money. Anyone who’s ever been victim of a crime knows the police do absolutely nothing, assuming they ever even show up. Call 911, then order a pizza. The pizza will show up first and the pizza guy won’t find (or make up) some insane reason to arrest the one who called.

John, you have not read all the replies, have you. I wrote about a young man named Sagon Penn, he is one case you are looking for. The SDPD were in rampage mode one night after another cop was shot at or actually shot,, that detail I don’t recall. Sagon Penn shot two cops and a ride along he thought was another cop. He was found not guilty.

Just a clarification. Stalin, Lenin, Chairman Mao,Hitler and Pol Pot were not cops. The troops that they commanded were not cops either.

I think it’s morally (if not legally) justifiable to shoot any cop that shoots an innocent person.

Kutcher, does it take a cop shooting another to get to that point, or is stepping over the line of legal duty all it requires? How far will the cop go that crosses the line of legal, how far will they go? It is common sense to presume they will continue down that illegal road once they started, so right there is the point where you should act in self defense. As soon as they cross the legal line, consider that a lethal threat upon you.

As the cop likes to say, “ignorance of the law”,,, well when they ask for your illegally imposed papers*, there was a line crossed.

*drivers lic, insurance coverage(illegal servitude to another)

to all that argue about the use of deadly force here is where it says that it is your not only your right, but your duty to use it

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

whenever the cop violates the constitution.

There’s no such thing as a good cop.

“We do not strive to be enemies”, you do not advocate violence, etc. All in your FAQ. Yet you condone shooting people. Now, my friends, who is the hypocrite ?

Ah, awaiting moderation. My slip. Did not realize you censor people. Censorship is the tool used by tyrants to abridge public freedom of expression. Again. Who is the hypocrite now ?

i think cops should die, they are enforcing laws that do not apply to us citizens of the united states, you support the rich and lock up the poor. the system has screwed me and alot of other people i know, as long as obama is running this county i support blowing up police stations like they do overseas. why can obama tell syria’s president to step down, but if we took to the streets he would order cops to shoot us where we stand. kill the cops then kill obama. I am from south africa and the niggers try to kill us decent white folks all the time, the discrimination is still there. cops only enforce laws that are against us but are allways the first to break them themselfs. i support what happened in colorado and hope that the cops trying to difuse those bombs at his house all die from his booby traps. I would love nothing less that to see all the cops in the united states die. then we would be better off.

That is true the BATF did kill those people in Oklahoma City and they did murder those women and children in Waco, but did anyone pay for that? How about 9/11? We have paper trails and we have hundreds of videos that prove 9/11 was an inside job. Towers falling down on fire is BS> They set off micro nukes under the trade towers. This wasn’t done to bring them down. This was done to cover up the fact they had stolen all the gold from the vaults inside the trade towers. Why didn’t the FBI become involved in all these incidents? You mean to tell me they can look at that Murrah building and see main columns taken out? I mean I can look at the building and see that. What about in Waco? They only wanted Koresch and he left the property everyday and went to town. Why wasn’t there a major investigation when someone leaves the property everyday and they wait till they get back and then start shooting through the closed door. Why wasn’t people punished for bringing in tanks?

Are skyscrapers smoldering falling to the ground and you can clearly see bombs going off in the buildings/ You can clearly see bombs blowing 200 feet outside the building. Did the FBI look at the videos and decide fire brought down steel buildings? What about the micro nuke blast and all the asbestos that have screwed up a mess of people been investigated?

I can tell you why, because Israel owns this country and it is flooded with Mossad agents and they even train our FBI. So the enemies of the USA will only be KKK or Nazis or southern peopole and Muslims, but never Israelis.

Why dont you explain this story than that states that Indiana passed legislation that makes it almost LEGAL to shoot police? I dont think you did enough homework for you example with Indiana.

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-indiana-gun-law-allows-residents-to-shoot-police

shoot a copper ? I know we’re not quite there yet

When should you shoot cops?
Never!
You’ll fair a lot better if you take your bruised ass to court and argue writs motions case laws or technicalities instead of trying to explain your murder charges…
Besides it leaves room for an onslaught of lies by the cop if you’re over there shooting at him/her
All they would need to say is “saw the suspect with a gun and tried to question but they ran into a house forcing me to defend myself”
Avoid all this and have a witness at all times or get video surveillance …
Face it, it’s the world we live in these days

Life is not worth living if you are willing live like this with so many restrictions. I’d rather be dead than to live like this. People like you really have no value for life or yourself if you’re willing to live in any kind of condition. Sickening. There are no good cops. Anybody else attacking you and you fight back but cops attack and you just stand there? What makes you think they won’t kill you anyway? At least you might have a chance to get away because after all. They have to investigate it.

The hardest thing to do is act nice when cops stop you. But you must force yourself that breaking bad with them you will never win. Just figure they are just losers you like being able to intimidate people. He stops you and can ruin your whole day. He gets his adrenaline rush everytime he gets out of the car. It’s all about excitment. Jus think if you got to ride roller coasters all day long. Or if you were the guy who got the playboy center fold ready for her shoot. Or if you got to just fish, hunt or test drive cars and boats for a living. It’s all about adrenaline. The cops gets his thrill, because he gets to laugh at drunks and because he has the authority to stop you for anything. If he doesn’t like you he can make you miserable. In this day and time everyone should have a camera in their car filming all confrontations with cops. It will pay off when they threaten you. Cops used to be decent and weren’t hateed. But today you have young cops and people aren’t mature like they used to be. I was working on the water at 7 years old. I was doing man’s work. Kids today don’t work until they get out of school.
If you can make a cop laugh they will let you slide. You must kid around and say come on my wife has divorced me and I’m about to lose my job and I can’t afford these fines, but don’t get angry. Just smile. My father always smiled when dealing with people. If you are offensive like I always am, then you get nothing but a hard time. Sure the cop you are dealing with you would like to just drop him right there. But you must use your head. My blood would boil when the cops stopped me and they knew it. I would clutch the steering wheel and not look at them and not say anything. But dealing with people you must remember you get more flies with honey than with vinegar.
There will come a time when we will have to shoot people who come to take our guns. We must do that or it’s all over. We will be just lik the Russians. It can’t be a good feeling the knock at the door and you’re having supper with the family and you are going outside of town and be shot. It’s happened to hundreds of millions from Germany to China. YOu think you are important? You are just a fly speck.
I suggest everyone should get a van that nobody can see in. YOu can hide your beer cooler. YOu can take a nap. You can keep your guns in the back and they can’t be calle concealed. Just have them lying right there on the seat in the back, but it’s not concealed. How can you hide anything in a car unless it’s in the trunk or under the seat and then it’s concealed, because you didn’t leave it on the seat for someone to steal.

The government murdered those women and children in Waco. Did the Cops do anything about that? The BATF did the killing, but no cops involved. If you kill soemone the Cops are going to charge you with it. The BATF did not have authority over the sheriff. The sheriff should have taken control. On 9/11 3,000 people were murdered and many wear firefighters and police, but George Bush and Larry Silverstein have not been arrested. Larry Card tells George Bush about the second plane, but no reaction from George. Then they tried to lie and say they saw in a room the second plane crashing, but there was a clock on the wall when Card told George Bush. These clowns should all be arrested by the citizens. Congo Rice says a plane crashed into the towers and it must have been a terrible accident.

Lets keep one thing in focus here folks. When the on duty cop steps over the legal line of what is legally allowed for him to do, you have no idea where it will end with the law violations on their part. If they make the first violent move against you, then you are within your duty to put a stop to that criminal. If they hit your head with a metal club, that is an attempted homicide. I don’t know why nobody gets upset when they whip out those clubs and hit peaceful protesters with them. They are trying to kill those Citizens with those metal clubs. Please do not come back with an example like ‘this blah blah, what do I do then?’, you will recognize the deadly threat when it is upon you. If you don’t, well, so was life.

I am of the nature to step in when another is facing such a criminal threat (I have), no matter what clothing or fancy fashions they wear and what bling they carry. Who else would do so for a stranger?

@ Wally Taylor: I don’t have a problem being nice to a cop. I have met some damn good cops. And I have met some that respond poorly to criticism.
I’m really simple about it- “Yo copper, if you feel that you have the right to infringe on my rights as an American because you are fearful for your safety, then I suggest you find a different job. It’s idiots like you that make being a cop such a hard job.” Somehow that offends them. Guess the truth hurts.

Don’t get me wrong Wally. If the cop is civil, then there is no problem. It when they cross the lines of what they can or can’t do that the options become limited. I plan on dying of old age.

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Remember these words the next time it happens to you..

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

or these..

“At what point, then, should one resist? When one’s belt is taken away? When one is ordered to face into a corner? When one crosses the threshold of one’s home? An arrest consists of a series of incidental irrelevancies, of a multitude of things that do not matter, and there seems no point in arguing about one of them individually…and yet all these incidental irrelevancies taken together implacably constitute the arrest. ”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

This is real, from history that cannot be rewritten by lies. This is where we are headed if you comply with illegal repression even when they call it law.

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If cops are os great and so smart they should have been able to stop the Russian revolution. They thing with a cop is they get an adrenaline rush everytime they stop you. It’s like a ocnfrontation. If you are pissed they are not. They will ruin your day and they get a kick out of it. But why they are so hated today is they perform seatbelt and sobriety checkpoiints. I’ve been to Russia and you have to stop at all checkpoints if they tell you to and after midnight they flag down any car and you have to produce papers. So these checkpoints are kind of like Communism.

Cops stop you at these checkpoints and they will make many arrests that have nothing to do with seatbelts or aldohol. This combined with if they see a beer can or roach in the ashtray or if they smell alcohol or something that could be marijuana they can search your car so this gets them many more enemies. If your license is overdue. or you have tickets not paid or a warrant then you go to jail. So it just gives them more enemies.

Because of the seatbelt laws they are hading out many more fines than they used to. Plus it pays them well for other violations. They can basically stop you for anything. I would suggest keep your cook if SHTF and you can not allow the cop to know who you are, then I would just let him head back to his car and pump lead in his back, but don’t let him get to his car. Any shot in the back will take him out. YOu could aim for the head, but you’ll probably be shook up and not be that good of a shot them.

Cops should be shot/killed when they participate in ruining other
people’s lives by supporting the draconian prohibition laws which
only give actual “bad guys” the upper hand. Legalize drugs and stop
the fantasies about how bad things will be if it happens…
These are lies told by the government which profits from
incarcerating innocent people. The prison industry is just that…
An industry.
The more stupid, pointless laws they make, the more reasons they
have (and use) to simply lock anyone they desire up yet rich wall
street types are doing lines of cocaine all day long and we never
hear about them getting busted OR their lives being ruined because
of it. The sooner we actually become a FREE country, the better.

I like no law. Where I live there is no law, but there are no blacks. As soon as there are enough blacks to have law time to move. I like driving to town and drink a few beers and know I can drive home drunk with no cops. But it’s a back country road. Now that won’t work in the city or suburbs.
I like the small towns around here. I can be down at the dock on the island drinking a beer which is illegal. If a cop comes down there he won’t say anything, but in town he’ll be all over your ass.
The fewer cops the better. I don’t have to wear a seatbelt. That’s the way it is in small town America. We police ourselves.

You go out west cops don’t give a shit. Along the East Coast they are all in your ass. Some of the worst cops are in Delaware. They are a bunch of pricks. Maryland isn’t so bad. Delaware must have a cop for every hunded civilians. The only place I encounter them is along 50.

Ted, how can a citizen follow through with the “criminal procedures” when they are dead.

A sheriff deputy was called to a domestic violence call. As he arrives he sees a young man walking away from a local store. He barks his orders, and because the young man did not respond to his barking fast enough, he pepper sprayed and beat the young man. The young man has down syndrome. Why is that pig still on the sheriffs staff? Because we are in a police state.

Do that to my family and you will be picking up pieces of “good cops” from where they lay.

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cops are made up of humans just like us. so you may think the odds of a bad one is just the same. but in the same way most pedo’s crave a job as a vicar criminal minded and power hungry thugs wil crave a job with the police or in polotics. if its 50/50 your doing wel because a cop breaking the law to get a conviction wil help there job prospects so a dodgey cop wil allways out promote a decent cop and thats just very sad. so more power to the good cops out there. some of us recognise your up hill struggle. so if like me you see a cop hanging out of his car smoking a fag or sneeking down an ally trying different inocent peoples gates. or and you wil love this. tearing his uniform climbing over the wrong fence to a yard that has its car gates open 12 foot away (id bet my pension his boss never knew) then report them. do try to get them on camera thought and make many copies of the film because they wil lie and try to “acidentaly loose” your evidence if they deem it posible. and if you do know a good cop that uses investigation and not just walking around intimidating poor people then try to support them when you can or eventualy there wont be any.

Any time a pig is out of hand you feel threatened for your life and safety or your families you have a God given right to protect yourself and your family from any threat regardless of their JOB DESCRIPTION that is all it is nothing more. Any Pig comes at me for any reason without respect I will put a bullet in his head. They are not Gods and I will show them their own blood to bring them back to reality. we are all human and equal on this planet just cause they have a gun and badge does not make them above or better then anyone PERIOD. Every human has a right to be treated with respect and dignity I will tell you now pigs you cross that line you will see your own blood and you will see you bleed just like everyone else. Your Pussy government given job description means absolute shit at my front door.

Ted, You assbag. You cops keep the peace here while we fuck up the world totally destroying it. When all the Commie countries fall you guys go with it. I know 30 years ago cops never called back up, but now they call for backup if it’s a 90 year old woman. They will taser people. Cops used to talk to people. N ow they holler and scream and if 3 or 4 cops show up they do break bad. I mean search cars, because they see a beer can? Who cares if someone has a roach in the ashtray? You finally got your seatbelt laws in place and get to search more cars.
I got news for everyone. Get a van and jack it up. Then if the cop tells you to get out say the drivers door won’t open and get out the passenger side. So he can’t see shit. Keep your beer cooler n the back.
Once I was with two kids and drove the ex-wife to the city and she was getting an operation. I laid the seat back to get a nap. Someone saw the kids in the car and called the cops. They came there and were breaking bad instead of acting decent. They asked if they were my kids. Instead of the person walking up to the car to see what was up they called the law.
WTF is it with people thesedays? I mean you see two kids then walk over to the car, but if I had a van they wouldn’t have seen shit. Forty years ago when I was 8 I could ride my bike in town to play ball. That might be child abuse now.
So make it hard for them ytou can buy a jacked up van for $7,000 to $10,000

You can say what you want, but until white men grow balls and start whacking these useless politicians that rape us nothing will change. Our country is full of drugs, because we won’t send troops to South America to destroy their drug trade. We can go to Asia, Germany and Iraq and blow them up for no damn reason, but we can’t take care of the third worlders who are manufacturing drugs and our government knows it, but no troops are sent there. There is a war going on in our hemisphere, but our politicians don’t give a shit. Now we get attacked by our own country, because the chickens have come home to roost.

Ms. Bassett your ignorance is frightening, your call for more international violence at the hands of the American military is beyond stupid. If you don’t want drugs in your country then don’t let them cross the border. Just because they aren’t legal in the US doesn’t mean that they aren’t legal elswhere. To have the US telling every other nation what it can and cannot do within its own borders is the height of arrogance and hubristic in the extreme.

Exactly what I want for Christmas is not my 2 front teeth (I have them), I wish to put on some good weight and I wish it to be healthy weight. I don’t wish to place on weight with empty calories, I wish to maintain my wellness.

Here is an interesting case that provides another example of the Citizens right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Defending your brother from a criminal cop, Not guilty. Look for the web file name “man_who_hit_cop_is_acquitted_with_help_of_video_footage”.

Mr Bassett, you are showing signs of having two personalities and neither one has a clue, but you do understand the base corruption, just not how to get out of it.

So you know they do not respect the Constitution,,, so why bother writing a new one? Lets live up to the one we have with the original intent as defined as the line we travel on.

For example, the first thought of the first amendment,,, there would not be a “gay marriage” issue because the government would be out of the marriage business (a religious establishment) altogether, PERIOD.
As I said in the last one about prohibitions,,, get rid of all of them and we would be disabling the biggest police state policy they have to put down the 99%ers.

You want solutions,,, you do not start by killing policy makers, you expose the policy makers for the fakes that they are and they go away. Now if the policy they made destroys lives and kills with impunity (the Bush families fake wars 1&2&3), we have capital murder charges that can be leveled at them.

So many people out there think that the current prohibitions are valid laws,,,, this we must work on to apply the changes that need to be made. Remove the illegal prohibitions, then what will be their excuses to perform another illegal ‘no-knock’ entries in the middle of the night at the wrong addresses. You never hear of the piggies breaking into homes to get at real criminals, do you. Nope, it is just the “drug” law breakers they do that to,,, with an excuse “they will flush the evidence”. Today we gave them the technology so they can retrieve the “evidence” if it were flushed, so make them stop with those lies as well.

There is no legitimate excuse they can come up with to break into a home in the darkness to “get the bad guy”. Soviet styled nazis… (it gets convoluted don’t it).

Our Constitution is fine as is,,, if the special interests would stop redefining the words used. Another example. The “Well regulated militia” is not a militia bogged down in paper work, it is “well practiced with the arms they have”, Well Regulated is ‘to practice often’.

The Constitution is flwed if we have to fight to have them follow it. This is stupid the politicians are to follow it to the letter and there are checks and balances. They are supposed to do what we want, but thsy never do. We don’t want wars, brown immigration, drugs and we don’t want to police other countries.
We could send troops to Colombia and Bolivia anjd destroy their drug trade, but we don’t do it, because the CIA sells the drugs. So the politicians make the decision to flood our countries with drugs. They go asfter right wing groups like the KKK and anyone they want taken out and will frame them. But they never infiltrate the Crips and the Bloods, because if they did they could bring down the whole mess in 3 monmths and take people off the street that shoot white people. Just like the Zebra killings of the late sixties the law has told us nothing.
You mention the constitution. Could you imagine if a company had policies writtem 230 years ago and didn’t change the whole damn thing by now? I mean it uses militia for the secomd amendmsnt and peple say we don’t need a militia now. It’s outdated. We need to write another constitution that says if the government so much as attempts to change the gun laws, then you kill them.
The reason we need to write another constitution, because we need to elect farmers and lumberjacks to congress and no more lawyers. They serve one year and then replaced so how could you make so manmy changes and still use the old one? The whole system needs reshaping. The people vote on anything that concerns the country. Majority wins. The Jews couldn’t control the Kings of Europe and why they got rid of them. This government was created by Masons and who knows the Jews might have been involved figuring what kind of government they could best control. The whole thing might have been a cam. You can’t write something that can easily be destroyed and have a powerful federal government and then no hope to change anything. The federal government armtwists the states if they don’t comply and cut off funding.
This shit started with the federal reserve. It is illegal and only takes money out of working people’s pockets and puts it into the Jewish banker’s coffers. So this is nothing new. The politicians need to discuss the protocols of zion and how thjey affect us and how it gives them control. Media control must be taken out of theie hands. Many politicians have spoken about this, but to no avail. Congress just plays along and doesn’t interrupt anything.
Not one politician has mentioned Waco, Oklahoma City or 9/11 as inside murder jobs. This can’t be hidden. We saw the whole thing. If I wanted to really hit the USA I would have taken out the White House and Capitol Hill. But then Silverstein wouldn’t have gotten 3.5 billion.

I think the world belongs to everyone. Did our Constitution stop us from fighting WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq wars? All which were based on lies. Did it stop the BATF from murdering those kids in Waco or Oklahoma City. In Waco they intentionally killed the kids. They could have easily gotten them out of there. In Oklahoma City the BATF agents were not in the Murrah building when the bomb when off at 9am. I think 9am people are supposed to be at work. But they were down the street watching what the bombs did. They had planted bombs on the columns and made the building collapse.

Now we got 9/11 3,000 killed a rich Jew Larry Silverstein and the government got tens of thousands more agents watching the citizens and they got two buildings out of the way that were slated for demolition. I can’t believe those insurance companies paid Silverstein without some kind of investigation.

So our constitution didn’t stop any of these events. I think the Constitution is outdated. I mean does anything written or created 225 years ago pertain to today? Imagine if we built buildings, farmed, built ships, like we did 225 years ago.

For one thing we need to elect non-lawyers for congressmen. These people are replaced every year and this stops the bankers and corporations from controlling the politicians, because what we have right now is a bunch of career politicians who will do anything to keep their jobs. Lawmaking has to include many people. Give many people a chance and then out the door back to civilian life with no perks.

There should be one final check and balance and that is the people. The people should be allowed to vote on important issues that affect this country. The people decide if we will go to war and decide on immigration issues. That will stop these unnecessary wars and will turn things around and the rest of the world will be better for it. Right now Jewish bankers run the world and our politicians won’t stand up to them.

We have a system in place the establishment is not going to let this system go easily. They have been in control for over 100 years and they like this thing they got going. I just say we need to elect people to office that serve just one year and then replaced. This way the bankers and corporations can’t control the politicians and we do away with the career politicians. The career politician has to go

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It depends if you are growing a field full of marijuana and a cop comes along and see it you might have to put a couple slugs in him. If you’re out hunting and you kill a dozen pintail ducks that is a migratory bird which means federal offense and you might hae to decide to take out the cop in order to not go to jail

Wonderful post however I was wondering if you could write a litte more on this topic?
I’d be very grateful if you could elaborate a little bit more. Thank you!

This might boil down to the local boys the sheriff and the state police going up against the feds. They federal government is the problem and there might be a confrontation there. They are suppose to uphold the constitution. But the police never stopped the communnists in Russia. I hope the people know what is at stake. Millions of people being murdered. The federal government is the ones killed those kids in Waco and in Oklahoma City the BATF put bombs inside the buildings and killed kids. All the school shootings are by the feds and I hope the local police see this for what it is. They kill our children and then go after more gun control. The federal government is how the banker boys control us. A powerful central government is what they always warned about. This check and balance left out one thing. The people being allowed to decide the final vote. When the smoke clears this country will be destroyed just like they destroyed Europe, Asia and now the Middle East and there will be tens of thousands of cops killed. If the federal ones have their ranks thinned so severe that they can’t be replaced then we win. When the jack booted thugs come to take your guns you must thin out their ranks.

Deadly wrong Sterling. Honoring the principles (I know that is really a toughy for your type) of our Constitution and putting an end to the illegal prohibitions of these other products people use, then we wouldn’t have so many excuses the police state have to invade our lives on assumptions of “drug use”. The police state is weened through prohibition policies, and the likes of the Sterlings are the morons that encourage the police states progress.

The ninth amendment is the clearest law written when you plug into it the other enumerated right of the intoxicant liquor. Which by the way, is thee by far worst chemical concoction a human could use to intoxicate themselves. Funny how so many drunks are dead set against “drug use”.

Your idea Sterling, is how we found ourselves facing the monsters in badges. Presuming you are one as well.

NICK! a “right” is not a “privilege”…I don’t give a crap what your daddy always told you. We don’t have a “bill of privileges”.you moron. Your knowledge Must be heavily informed by that 3 semester community college law enforcement certificate (not even degree)

I really hope that no one reads this and thinks they actually will have a legal defense if they shoot someone who tries to encroach on any of their fundamental rights. How important your right is determines the type of scrutiny with which the court will review the officer’s depriving you of the right if it is unclear whether the deprivation was unconstitutional. It probably plays a role in how much you can win in a Sect. 1983 civil suit against the officer/police department/city. It doesn’t mean you can kill. Makes no sense, really, to say I have First Amendment rights so I can kill anyone who tries to stop me expressing them? If your mom tells you to shut up and go to your room, just blast her away to protect your right to free speech, too? I had high hopes for this article when it came up in a Google search but I was sorely disappointed.

Cops are going ghetto more and more each day. They are getting more violent. Once they get like this they need to be pulled off the force. When they get an us versus them mentally. Then they see everyone that doesn’t bow down to them as a potential treat. Those cops make it hard for everyone. When this economy collapses there will be 100,000 dead cops inside of a month or we’ll all be in FEMA camps. When the government takes way your freedom it’s cops that have to deal with the mess.

Criminals hate cops by default,most people nowadays don’t have much faith or trust for cops,do the cops want everyone to hate them and be against them? If so,they are crazy,if not,they need to start policing their own,you can see videos and read news stories on a daily basis of cops abusing their authority and breaking the law,if cops aren’t going to be punished for their crimes and held to account for abusing their authority,the American public will all see them as the enemy and act appropriately,this isn’t just my opinion,this is a fact.If people choose to be cops,they need to set the example by obeying the law,just like a preacher,if he isn’t going to obey Gods law,he doesn’t need to preach to us about obeying Gods law,anyone who does this is a full blown hypocrite and I believe hypocrisy is the biggest sin of them all. A democracy cannot function without honorable people and the cops need to be setting the example for all of us.

So I am “the bastard” am I Sterling? Hey Sterling, the definition of being insane, is trying the same thing over and over again and you expect a different result ‘this time’. Getting “tough on drugs” is what was tried in the period of US History known as the “prohibition era”. Remember that school lesson, or did you make it that far? The same error of an insane policy is what must be changed, not getting tougher on the growers and users. Following the intent of the Constitution,,, now that is a challenge I make to you, try it, you might like it Sterling. It is called freedom, liberty, living your rights, and not catering to a Union organization to make “their job easier” to violate everyone’s right to freedom, in their own home. There is not one legitimate excuse for a cop to break in a door of anyone’s home on these searches they go out on. Their main excuse is, “so the evidence will not be destroyed”. Well they can flush all they want to, and you can still recover the evidence from the sewer pipe. Take pictures of it as you collect it. We bought you those tools and you still break in the doors??? Statsi pigs just want to kill the people inside.

Remove the illegal pigs biggest excuse to violate everyone’s rights everywhere we go, end the unconstitutional prohibitions of ANY “intoxicant”. Quoted “intoxicant”, because that is the legal keyword found in the constitution to use while reading the ninth amendment.

“The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights*, SHALL NOT be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” Bill of rights 9.

*the “intoxicant” liquor, see 18th and the 21st amendments.

Meaning any “intoxicant, shall be as legal as any liquors are, hard, medium, or soft watered down beer. Sterling Jones’ last ‘solution’ is just more failed prohibitionists failed nonsense for more of a police state. He would love to see the military killing people over his prohibitionists insanity. I am the bastard Sterling? I want to party with other people not KILL them like you would have us do. Who’s yer daddy. Yeah, uh-huh.

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
Thomas Jefferson

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Lighten up Carl. It is blatantly obvious sarcasm that has clearly gone over your pee sized brain. Your inability to comprehend the written word is astounding and shocking. Do you vote? God help us all if you do. I sure hope there are not a significant number of your type out there.

What is more dangerous than Johnny not being able to read is Johnny not being able to comprehend what he has read.

Interesting article, and I agree that if things in our nation ever got to the point of Nazi Germany then we the people would need to stand up and fix the problem, but I have this idea that you fail to realize the fact that if you start shooting cops that you are starting a civil war that will end up costing you your life. The fact is that Stop and frisk is not a problem unless you are doing something illegal, and if a Cop enters your home illegally or illegally searches and seizes evidence then you need to realize that the evidence is non-admissible in court. Any time an officer is killed in the line of duty it is a horrible thing and the majority of the time the person who committed this atrocity ends up paying with their life. Yes we have the right to bare arms, but when a Cop stops someone for carrying a weapon they are doing their job, and odds are that they are just verifying that you have a concealed carry license, if you don’t like how things are in our country take it out on the Liberals and the Democrats who want to force more Government down your throat (such as Obamacare) and fight the system by working to get the laws right not by attempting to kill an innocent person who is doing their job.

There is a large diffrence between shipping people into concentration camps and stopping someone who is looking suspicious. The idea of a cop stopping someone who looks like they may be carrying a weapon should be no more than a simple stop the person shows their carry permit and then move on. In refrence to situations discussed in this article he mentions checks at airports, which suck granted, but when we didn’t have them we had September 11th happen, as for border checkpoints they are trying to keep illegal drugs, and illegal aliens out of America, and lastly sobriety check points that stop people to try to get the drunk drivers off the road, I know that there are times when they get other people for things like driving on a suspended license, or expired tags or some thing, but no matter what when stopped for one of these things if you have nothing to hide, or are doing nothing illegal then it is as simple as show ID or whatever and move on.

Bull crap. Every violation of the law by government is a problem, regardless of what I’m doing. I have lots of things to hide and they are all legal.

I can’t wait. Grilled piggies. Lets bring back all the old executions from the victorian age.

Amazing.
This guy asks an important question and offers an interesting answer.
I could be wrong, but would nonetheless bet that this writer does not
even realize for a moment that he is speaking the exact words and
offering the exact same constitutional arguments voiced by Bobby Seale,
Eldridge Cleaver, Huey Newton, and Stokely Carmichael back in the
1960’s.

Do you think this guy actually would have supported the Black
Panthers in their struggle against murderous police departments, then or
now? Maybe. If so, he deserves credit for being consistent. If not,
then he’s just another pontificating asshole with a stupid opinion on a
sophisticated philosophical idea that is far over his head.

Looking forward to seeing you to chap you don’t own Atlanta I know I could shot your police ass you fuckin sitting duck

yes the Jews at Auschwitz had nothing to hide and they all ended up ok, turns out it was a petting zoo with pretty bunnys and baby kittys. look at the state of our nation, soon our police officers will have to pick a side,Freedom, Liberty and rebellion or ship the people like you to the “petting zoo” you will get no help from me and i might even shoot escaped “zoo” patrons on sight. Enjoy your slavery and remember, scum like you don’t deserve to breathe the air of a free people so stay in the concentration camps

Ha fuck you

Drake when any cop is killed “In the line Of duty” It is a great day for the USA. You need your head smashed in for being a pig lover. death to all pigs

See, you had a point. Up until the vaccine shit. that just makes you look dumb.

In-so-far-as US law goes, most states used to have legal provisions for this. In Louisiana there was a state supreme court verdict that stated “It is your right and responsibility to resist unlawful arrest by any means neccesary, up to and including the application of lethal force”. Personal opinion as to Ethics, as soon as someone threatens another person’s safety unduly, theirs is forfeit. Practically…only if you are confident you can get away with it, unless you want to be a martyr (or “crazed” lone gunman, and possible excuse for more knee-jerk gun laws).

aim for the pelvis lots of nerves and arteries there plus he aint gonna be walkin
for a long time even if he lives and when he goes to the ground then you put a round in his brain case

If the civilian breaks rules he gets shot so what makes a man behind a badge so special that he gets to live?

I would personally just rape the cops wife, kill his kids and cut the cops nuts off and let the thing free to go so he can look me in the face each day knowing I’m the guy who killed his entire family

Exactly!

You pos.. pull your gun out on me and you wont make it… You are nothing but disgusting pos to advocate the killing of police officers…

Choke on a bag of dicks, maggot

You people make me laugh. All of you low life maggots are ignorant. Very gullible people! I feel sorry for all of you idiots future and off-spring.

Are you 12? Anyone who thinks mass murder of cops is a reasonable response to a (possibly) unjustified search deserves to rot in prison. You think your fellow dirtbag prison mates care about your free speech rights? Read the rest of the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. There are inalienable rights and unalienable rights. You need to know the difference. Did you miss the part where it explains what to do if the government becomes corrupt? The people select a new one. It doesn’t say that individual psychos who are pissed that airport cops searched their suitcase get to play Rambo and then fantasize that they’ve saved their country from tyranny. You are the reason we need cops. Educate yourself, get a grip on your mental health and stop giving kids the idea that if their teacher scolds them they should just bust out with the family arsenal and show her who’s boss. Grow the f*•%* up and act like you deserve those rights instead of a padded cell.

Cops got a big bill to pay, and the bill is nearly due. I’d say they’re enemies of the people, but most of those people are sheep. It won’t be long till the government and their police pick a fight with someone who’s going to kick their ass. The boat will sink.
Government = Dead
Cops = Dead
Sheep = Dead.

The articles makes some good points about defending your rights against corrupt cops and other government agents, but the writer seems to me to simply be an anarchist who considers all security measures to be tryanny. They seem to consider all police officers criminals and anything a cop does to be a crime.

I would put a bullet through the scumbags head, and then go back to sleep.

FYI

Police are the scum of the Earth. Good people do not seek power and tell people to what to do. Every law passed is enforced by the tyrants enforcers. Police are demons from hell and have sold there soul for a paycheck don’t ever cry for the demon for they will not cry for you and they will gladly see you imprisoned or dead.

The Writer of this Article clearly has not read any of the Laws here in Indiana. Being a Law student myself, and living In the state of Indiana, I know for a fact that our former Governor Mitch Daniels, passed a law in 2006, granting citizens the right to shoot to kill any Enforcement officer of nearly any agency, or enforcement group, be they Civil, Count, State, or Federal. Look into Indiana “Castle” laws, or the infamous “Cop Killer” laws of Indiana, for verification to this fact. This writer, while spot on about a great deal of legal, civil and constitutional topics, is using false information, false documentation, and the very same spin techniques that the modern news media uses to manipulate all of us, with false Information. Indiana is one of the few states within the Union, that grant citizens almost a s much right and power as the enforcers, so long as those enforcers are also committing crimes against civil rights, societal rights, or committing Crimes, Citizens have the right to overthrow them, within the state of Indiana. This writier need to do more research before they spout more false information.

That and the older people with decent IQ and wisdom are so sick of seeing it they just shut it out of their mines. To quote the bible “many people’s hearts will grow cold”.

May I please distribute this article but ommit the title?? I mean no disrespect to Mr Rose. It is so well written and i want my family to read it. The title will immediately cause them to roll there eyes and close their minds.

It’s sad that there are people who will take your advice and their life will be ruined after they are sentenced to prison or death…

“if you have the right to do “A,” it means that if someone tries to STOP you from doing “A”… …you have the right to use whatever amount of force is necessary to resist that person.”
In an ideal world, that would be great. However, based on my copious watching of Liveleak, Copblock and similar videos of citizen-police interactions (and the comments), 95% of citizens actually have no idea what their actual ‘rights’ are. They say things like “I know my rights”, when in fact they don’t. Telling someone who is ignorant of their rights that they can defend their rights with force is asking for trouble.

If there is a million other people who agree with me, why are we not meeting up to overthrow every major police department.

This is a piece of shit website that should be shut down!

You are the problem. Your exact mindset manifested throughout every martyr and tyrant throughout history. You are the problem

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You, and people like you, are the problem. You are thoroughly indoctrinated with the idea that we need the government to protect us; from ourselves. The person, “who looks like he may be carrying a weapon (which should properly have been called a firearm) has a RIGHT to be carrying it. The statutes that make carrying it illegal without a permit are themselves enacted unlawfully. As for the airport and ALL other “checkpoints”, all are implemented in total disregard of the inalienable rights that the Bill of Rights strictly prohibits, or strictly limits government’s power to interfere with. With respect to “illegal drugs”, lawfully, there is no such thing as “illegal drugs”. The whole “drug problem” arises from the perversion of the proper function of government under a constitutional republic. Compulsory public education is another such perversion. How do freedom and compulsory exist together? You, not unlike most of the inhabitants of this country, lack the fundamental understanding of freedom as envisioned by those who created and ratified, “this Constitution for the united states of America. If you did, you would understand instantly that the constitutional republic no longer exists, and formally ended just before the start of the Civil War.

Actually I just believe that when martial law comes into play we will just have another American revolution. That is truly where doomsday will begin.

That message was the truth. It’s also the truth that the country is so full of sheep because sheep are the ones who live to procreate. The government murders or imprisons most of the rest.

Exactly. And yet, the police are nothing better than organized crime. The amazing thing is that they believe that nobody notices.

I agree with you other than the “IQ” business. People are sheep, and the media is totally government/corporate owned… as are the schools. I had to set my kids straight constantly when they came home from school, from grade school through college.
We live in a government/corporate Fascist Police State. The question is, what do we do about it?
As usual, educate your kids. The public school system is controlled by the government and corporate financial interests. “Get em when they’re young”.
The idea is to capture children when they’re young and brainwash them into the “new normal”. Anything that the authorities say is true. If the authorities accuse a person, the person is guilty. There are enough sheep in this country who get on juries and do exactly what the government wants them to do. Now they’re working on YOUR kids so that they have acceptable consumers, jurists and plenty of people who believe that there’s no difference between right and wrong. There’s only what the government and the corporations say and how you FEEL.
I’m hoping that the sleeping giant that is our good ole U.S.A. will finally wake up. But I have my doubts.

i fully agree i have a family member in a law suit right now due to police brutality! The badge does not change the fact that you broke the law

If you are attacked by ANYONE you have the moral and legal right to protect your life and limb. As we are learning from past events the cops are eager to use force. I learned a long time ago, preteen, that police are people who cannot earn respect on their own. As a government thug they can demand respect “UNDER THE COLOR OF THE LAW”. Every state and the federal government have laws protecting the individual from government abuse and coherence, you are allowed to respond in kind if you are attacked. I have spent time behind bars AND been exonerated for “resisting arrest”. I should have sued but my beliefs wont allow me to except monies I did not earn. I have family my cousins who are cops, I love them but….

“…as a last resort…”

this is touchy shit man

We now live in a police state , some states are worse , in Utah there have been 13 police shootings so far in 2014 alone , some where police shot a person that was doing something wrong many were not , some were running away and were shot in the back! And all the cops said I was afraid for my life , what a load of crap !
I can personally attest it is scary to to have someone put a gun in your face or get shot at , but I have never been afraid of someone running away or having their hands in their pants !
in Utah if you don’t do what the police demand you either get beat down or shot ! Thanks Jim Winder .
As long as cops see all of the citizenry as a potential threat and we are all breaking the “law” they should know that some people will see a big blue target every time a cop rolls by .

R.I.P. Danielle Willard , Darrien Hunt .

If you don’t believe me have a look at this >>>
http://www.sltrib.com/news/1842489-155/killings-by-utah-police-outpacing-gang

You’re a fucking nut job! No one, I repeat: “NO ONE” has the right to take anyone’s life – ever !!!!!

I caught a uniformed Hampton Police officer and a Virginia state trooper exit my home using keys with my computers and software. They have vandalized and stolen over $200,000 worth of my personal property. Karen Rodriguez, VA DCJS, sent me a letter in the mail stating that no action would be taken against Shorty Wallin or Tweeds. Police can get keys to anyone’s home and commit any crime they want. They put a big scratch on my car last night. Their names are Belinda Robinson, Jose Hernandez, Debra Moss, Linda Curtis, Darlene Bradberry, Tony Passaro, Paul Compton, Thomas Shull, Jared Vance and a host of others. They put a microchip on me used to torture and defame so they could get away with crime. CALEA called them desperate cops. OSI, asked me if I had ever met any of them and I said no. Belinda Robinson through her Bible in my yard. They have destroyed my business, my health, my life and stolen my life’s savings. People need to learn about the active denial system. It is on William and Mary’s website. I have been tortured by these filthy animals for seven years. They wrecked me in my car and constantly run me off the road. I am suing them for false arrest. I got them on perjury and failure to redact. This is the most corrupt place in the nation. Senator Kaine sent me a letter telling me that the Public Corruption Unit of the DOJ was investigating. He told me he was sorry I was being torture by these criminals. FBI Agent Chris Kelly, Kevin Rojek and Royce Curtin haven’t done anything to make the torture stop. I have dozens of eye witnesses to the torture. They allowed all their attorneys to watch me be tortured. Only one, Megan Bradshaw, had the integrity to recuse herself. The rest of the attorneys are just as criminal as the cops that rape, torture, sodomize, drug, steal, and abuse. They put video of me taken in the privacy of my home, bathroom, shower, on a Virginia state police sponsored porn site tagged “bare naked justice”. Judge Allen said that was moot. I have one thing to say to Arenda Allen, if you believe gang rape and sodomy is moot, strip yourself naked, spread your legs and let the filthy animals crawl all over you!

“The next time you hear of a police officer being killed “in the line of duty,” take a moment to consider the very real possibility that maybe in that case, the “law enforcer” was the bad guy and the “cop killer” was the good guy. As it happens, that has been the case more often than not throughout human history.”

I HAVE SEE THE CASES WITH MY OWN TWO EYES!!! GO TO A “LAW LIBRARY” SOMEWHERE AND YOU’LL SEE CASE AFTER CASE AFTER CASE WHERE AN OFFICER WAS SHOT TO DEATH BY GOOD CITIZENS AND THE SHOOTING TO DEATH OF THE COP WAS FOUNDED TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE JURY!!!!

A MAN WALKING IN THE FLESH WITH NO BADGE IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER MAN WALKING IN THE FLESH WITH A BADGE.

When should you shoot a cop? If in a 100% corupt, oppressive, impoverishing, murdering, rogue, illegal, unconstitutional, oligarchical, inverted totalitarian, police-state, as the U.S. Government is, than as many as you can without getting caught, constantly.

Why does it always have to be a battle of “us against them” argument. If your narrow minded and uneducated then it doesn’t matter which line your standing behind. Get above it all. Don’t hide behind repression by waiting for prosperity to show up at the door cause that’s going to be a long wait. I did 24 years as a special operator in the military and I can tell you that’s a hard life but the recruiter is open every day offering opportunities. I can also I see both sides of the argument. I brought a special threat eliminating skill to the table to every deployment I had. I’m not talking about drive bye’s or running my mouth. To say that is to say I also brought with me the same big generous heart I was raised with. In time however; the violence brought by evil intent started getting tiresome. It was relentless to say the least. Don’t bring a history of violent or deviant behavior to the table then ask for fairness. Fairness is not what you have earned. Now for who “YOU” are by definition. Your ck, white, brown, pick a color of your choice because I don’t care. Your an American first and I fought and was ultimately critically injured for YOU. I came home and joined a major University and EARNED a Bachelor of Science in logistics in four years. I rose above my situation and YOU can too. College Algebra, Finite math, Data Analysis and Calculus was hard but is it harder than waiting for Mom’s government check every month? The government is begging to help “at risk populations” go to school and rise above. Tell me your too stupid or not smart enough to walk in that direction because I looked in the mirror and said the same thing 5 years ago.

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Civilians don’t get shot for breaking the rules…you’re more dramatic that the most Liberal Liberal…

Shod, I seriously doubt that US cops are out there raping and pillaging.If they are then they are not long on the job or walking free.

some low life scumbag cop shoots my dog and there’s going to be dead government goons when I finish shooting.

Cops are going ghetto more and more each day. They are getting more
violent. Once they get like this they need to be pulled off the force.
When they get an us versus them mentally. Then they see everyone that
doesn’t bow down to them as a potential treat. Those cops make it hard
for everyone. When this economy collapses there will be 100,000 dead
cops inside of a month or we’ll all be in FEMA camps. When the
government takes way your freedom it’s cops that have to deal with the
mess.

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William Jeffrey Fitzhugh

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a year ago

I can’t wait. Grilled piggies. Lets bring back all the old executions from the victorian age.

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Michael Ryan Dominy

William Jeffrey Fitzhugh

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9 months ago

it’s always been an us vs. them mentality. and look at why, y’all are talking about shooting law enforcement

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2 years ago

I really hope that no one reads this and thinks they actually will
have a legal defense if they shoot someone who tries to encroach on any
of their fundamental rights. How important your right is determines the
type of scrutiny with which the court will review the officer’s
depriving you of the right if it is unclear whether the deprivation was
unconstitutional. It probably plays a role in how much you can win in a
Sect. 1983 civil suit against the officer/police department/city. It
doesn’t mean you can kill. Makes no sense, really, to say I have First
Amendment rights so I can kill anyone who tries to stop me expressing
them? If your mom tells you to shut up and go to your room, just blast
her away to protect your right to free speech, too? I had high hopes for
this article when it came up in a Google search but I was sorely
disappointed.

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a year ago

You are a sore disappointment yourself. You obviously dont
understand any part of this article. What was said within this
video/document is truth and we need to stand up for our right because
shit is getting worse each day .. you dumbass… see it with your own
eyes. And if you cant , shut the fuck up.

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Johnny Law

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You are a paper revolutionary. I seriously doubt that you have the
testicular fortitude to do what this article advocates. Resistance is
illegal in and of itself. I seriously doubt that any criminal ever
believes that the police are justified in arresting then hence you
advocate for killing the police who are just enforcing the law. That is
why everyone has the right to a trial and possible civil redress if the
arrest is found to be illegal. Stick with paying Grand theft auto,
you’ll have a better chance of staying it of jail and staying alive.

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loonpatrol

LP IS A SHEEPLE

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12 days ago

You just violated his constitutional right to express his opinion you fuc#ing loon…

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justin

LP IS A SHEEPLE

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3 months ago

So since you just told someone if they can’t then they should shut up…do they now have the right to kill you?

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LP

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10 months ago

If the civilian breaks rules he gets shot so what makes a man behind a badge so special that he gets to live?

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Civilians don’t get shot for breaking the rules…you’re more dramatic that the most Liberal Liberal…

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acacia

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3 months ago

i fully agree i have a family member in a law suit right now due to
police brutality! The badge does not change the fact that you broke the
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copkilla

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10 months ago

Ha fuck you

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Shod

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4 months ago

So what would you do? Threaten to sue while cops rape your wife and murder your children? American cops are THE domestic enemy.

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12 days ago

Shod, I seriously doubt that US cops are out there raping and
pillaging.If they are then they are not long on the job or walking free.

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Mr. Mcgoo

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If you see a cop you should kill it, if you fear for your life…

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Michael Ryan Dominy

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6 months ago

Kill it? LEOs are people, not its. I think I found a domestic terrorist here.

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Mr. Mcgoo

Michael Ryan Dominy

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6 months ago

Who cares what you ‘think’ I sure as sh!t don’t.

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John

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2 years ago

When should you shoot a cop? Whenever you see one!

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D. Nic

John

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9 months ago

so what are you waiting on?? your such a bad ass…. NOT

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2 years ago

I believe the only time you should kill a cop is when it is youyr
life or his. If he illegally attacks you then you have the right of self
defense. The government does not have the right to murder you by cop,
did you hear that, no right to murder you by cop? Illegal is illegal
whether a criminal is doing the illegal act or a cop is doing it! End of
story!

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2 years ago

Ted, how can a citizen follow through with the “criminal procedures” when they are dead.

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sheriff deputy was called to a domestic violence call. As he arrives he
sees a young man walking away from a local store. He barks his orders,
and because the young man did not respond to his barking fast enough, he
pepper sprayed and beat the young man. The young man has down syndrome.
Why is that pig still on the sheriffs staff? Because we are in a police
state.

Do that to my family and you will be picking up pieces of “good cops” from where they lay.

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Are you 12? Anyone who thinks mass murder of cops is a reasonable
response to a (possibly) unjustified search deserves to rot in prison.
You think your fellow dirtbag prison mates care about your free speech
rights? Read the rest of the Declaration of Independence and Bill of
Rights. There are inalienable rights and unalienable rights. You need to
know the difference. Did you miss the part where it explains what to do
if the government becomes corrupt? The people select a new one. It
doesn’t say that individual psychos who are pissed that airport cops
searched their suitcase get to play Rambo and then fantasize that
they’ve saved their country from tyranny. You are the reason we need
cops. Educate yourself, get a grip on your mental health and stop giving
kids the idea that if their teacher scolds them they should just bust
out with the family arsenal and show her who’s boss. Grow the f*•%* up
and act like you deserve those rights instead of a padded cell.

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Shod

PurpleTantrum

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I wouldn’t cry if 10 cops were killed for every unarmed citizen that
they kill. I also wouldn’t cry if a cop were killed for sexually abusing
someone’s female relative while pretending it was a legal search. I
actually cheered when the guy went into the airport and offed TSA goons.
Make no mistake; History shows that when a government leaves no access
under law, and refuses to obey the law… people eventually begin
shooting back.
The banks impoverished millions of Americans during
the great bank rip off. They took bailout money from us and invested it
in China. Then they forclosed on the houses of the people that they put
out of work.
Make no mistake. While most people in America are law
abiding, they’re not stupid and they can recognize organized crime when
they see it. This includes the government from city to Federal and the
entire American police structure as well as the banking system.
Oh yes, people will be shooting back.

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Shod

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3 months ago

Fortunately we don’t have a system where 9 innocent cops are
sentenced to death by angry American with a gun because of the crime of
one cop. Make no mistake, I absolutely believe that one cop deserves
twice the sentence for misusing his position of power and trust to
intentionally cause harm to someone. But the idea that the misdeeds of
one automatically makes every cop out there an SOB is about as smart as
saying that because men commit 90% of the crime, all men are inferior.
Not just the criminals, but every last person with a penis. Would kinda
suck, wouldn’t it? And let’s face facts, if we really dealt with every
situation by blowing people away like the old west, there would be an
awful lot of bodies to clean up. Who the hell wants to deal with that?
There is something to be said for communication and protest and
legislation. Anyone can be trigger happy, but there wouldn’t be anybody
left if we all had that idea of dealing with things that piss us off.

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4 years ago

hahah i swear the stupidest fuckin comments on here about how cops
dont need to be shut down, are coming from cops themselves posting on
here….

seriously it seems that way… you would have to be a
moron or living in a fuckin cave to disagree with this… or like i
said before. a cop hahah

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2 years ago

Criminals hate cops by default,most people nowadays don’t have much
faith or trust for cops,do the cops want everyone to hate them and be
against them? If so,they are crazy,if not,they need to start policing
their own,you can see videos and read news stories on a daily basis of
cops abusing their authority and breaking the law,if cops aren’t going
to be punished for their crimes and held to account for abusing their
authority,the American public will all see them as the enemy and act
appropriately,this isn’t just my opinion,this is a fact.If people choose
to be cops,they need to set the example by obeying the law,just like a
preacher,if he isn’t going to obey Gods law,he doesn’t need to preach to
us about obeying Gods law,anyone who does this is a full blown
hypocrite and I believe hypocrisy is the biggest sin of them all. A
democracy cannot function without honorable people and the cops need to
be setting the example for all of us.

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a month ago

I don’t know if you realize how many thousands of cops there are in
the US, but the fact that you can find maybe 20 videos on the internet
of out of control cops is not proof of what the majority of them are
doing. It shows us that there is a very small percentage of cops that
are flip wiggy nuts and need their badge and gun taken very far away
from them. But it also shows that our media spoon feeds us negativity
every day. The news will very rarely show you any stories of the
thousands of cops doing good deeds every day, because that doesn’t hike
the ratings and it doesn’t get people all worked up. People forget
positive things 2 seconds after they happen. And people sure as hell
will rarely bother to take out their cell phone and start filming if a
cop comes to their rescue or does something nice.

On the night of
my 21st birthday I broke down on a dark overpass, several miles from
anything that was open. I was in an industrial stretch of the highway,
and my van was sandwiched between the guardrail and the white line
marking the shoulder of the road. Every time a car would zip past me the
van would shutter and quake. This was a time before cell phones and the
highway I was on didn’t have any emergency phones, at least none that I
could see. As a woman it would have been pretty dangerous to try and
walk back to civilization, and I can tell you that I was way too chicken
to try. When I was 2 hours late coming home and my dad had called
highway patrol, you better believe that I was overwhelmed with happiness
when those cops came and rescued me. They drove me the 30 minutes to my
house after calling a tow truck for my van. Those cops were awesome but
it’s not a story that will get the attention that a police misconduct
story will get.

Obviously there shouldn’t be any bad cops. One is
too many. But the media lurks around waiting for a negative police story
and they replay them every hour. The good cop is lucky if his deeds get
published on the back page with a lousy 3 sentences. All the media has
to do to lead you to believe there’s an epidemic of people jumping out
windows is to blast every single case of it nonstop until everyone
panics. The truth is, an awful lot of us just hate cops and actually
want there to be a problem so that we can feel justified for antisocial
attitudes.

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4 months ago

Exactly. And yet, the police are nothing better than organized crime.
The amazing thing is that they believe that nobody notices.

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2 years ago

As I’ve said before the only time is is excusable to “shoot” a cop is
when it’s his life or yours. Because he represents the state does not
mean that your right to self defense is nullified, unless you believe
that the state has the right to kill you without due process.

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4 months ago

In truth, anyone will protect their family, if able to. But after the
dust settles, that person will be prosecuted violently and held up as a
societal monster. The media will have a field day, the cops will shut
down traffic with a mile long parade for the funeral all at public
expense and the cops will continue business as usual.
I really like
the fact that we have camera and video technology these days. But I
believe that after the cops kill someone, instead of protests and riots,
folks should very quietly and legally boycott every business in town
that is a Chamber of Commerce member. Cops love protests and riots, why
fight them on THEIR terms. Boycott and make them bleed to death from
draining their money. Faster, cleaner and no violence, court or cops.

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4 years ago

I find it funny that an officers testimony is considered to have more
weight in court that a citizen, but their accountability is less. It
would seem to me when you bestow the honor of law enforcement on a
person that they would be held to a higher level of accountability. It
is, after all a reasonable expectation. Make law officers more
accountable for violations of citizens rights and you will see less
violations of those rights.

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William Jeffrey Fitzhugh

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2 years ago

Cops work for the Jews and the drugs dumped on the streets and now
they have a prison system in place like any other business and they make
billions transporting prisoners, feeding them, guarding them, housing
them, cleaning their clothes and they have to keep it stocked and the
nonsense marijuana laws do just that.

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a year ago

Cop, crip, crook, whatever. When someone defies human rights, they do
not have the right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. They
have the right to death, discrimination, and seemingly endless
suffering. If a man in a suit with a badge shoots a kid in the chest for
riding his skateboard (kid killed over $2 rail fee) or because he “saw a
weapon” (murder of ernesto duenez jr), you have every right to end his
pernicious existence. The same goes for the bloodthirsty crip who
mistook your best friend for someone who owes him crack money. The
difference is the cop won’t go to prison. He’ll be put on suspension
until “things cool down”. And yeah, murder’s going to bother you for the
rest of your life, it’ll get you put in a maximum security prison,
unless you’re killed by other cops or citizens around you, but you’ll be
making the world a safer place. Not everyone is strong enough to throw
themselves under the bus for the good of the human race. In fact, hardly
anyone is that strong. But bravery is not having no fears; it is
finding the strength to overcome your fears.
Wisdom says, taking a life is justified if it saves a life from being taken.

PS.
It’s sad that so many people who hate the police are so unwilling to
become them. That’s the only realistic solution. Do better. Make things
right. Pay it forward. When a citizen stands up to a cop, people will
assuredly suffer, but when a cop stands up to a cop, justice may yet
prevail.

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2 years ago

Mr Bassett, you are showing signs of having two personalities and
neither one has a clue, but you do understand the base corruption, just
not how to get out of it.

So you know they do not respect the
Constitution,,, so why bother writing a new one? Lets live up to the one
we have with the original intent as defined as the line we travel on.

For
example, the first thought of the first amendment,,, there would not be
a “gay marriage” issue because the government would be out of the
marriage business (a religious establishment) altogether, PERIOD.
As I
said in the last one about prohibitions,,, get rid of all of them and
we would be disabling the biggest police state policy they have to put
down the 99%ers.

You want solutions,,, you do not start by killing
policy makers, you expose the policy makers for the fakes that they are
and they go away. Now if the policy they made destroys lives and kills
with impunity (the Bush families fake wars 1&2&3), we have
capital murder charges that can be leveled at them.

So many people
out there think that the current prohibitions are valid laws,,,, this
we must work on to apply the changes that need to be made. Remove the
illegal prohibitions, then what will be their excuses to perform another
illegal ‘no-knock’ entries in the middle of the night at the wrong
addresses. You never hear of the piggies breaking into homes to get at
real criminals, do you. Nope, it is just the “drug” law breakers they do
that to,,, with an excuse “they will flush the evidence”. Today we gave
them the technology so they can retrieve the “evidence” if it were
flushed, so make them stop with those lies as well.

There is no
legitimate excuse they can come up with to break into a home in the
darkness to “get the bad guy”. Soviet styled nazis… (it gets
convoluted don’t it).

Our Constitution is fine as is,,, if the
special interests would stop redefining the words used. Another example.
The “Well regulated militia” is not a militia bogged down in paper
work, it is “well practiced with the arms they have”, Well Regulated is
‘to practice often’.

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6 months ago

If there is a million other people who agree with me, why are we not meeting up to overthrow every major police department.

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Warren

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6 months ago

There are too many statists being pumped out every day. We are still
considered “fringe” and “radical”, an obvious ad hominem attack

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Warren

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6 months ago

We have to make moves. It is time.

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anon

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7 months ago

Sadly America will continue its brisk run towards tyranny with the
majority of the masses asking to have the entire life dictated to them
and to try to insist that everyone should live like that. Fact is the
vast majority of America has an IQ too low to be rational.

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4 months ago

I agree with you other than the “IQ” business. People are sheep, and
the media is totally government/corporate owned… as are the schools. I
had to set my kids straight constantly when they came home from school,
from grade school through college.
We live in a government/corporate Fascist Police State. The question is, what do we do about it?
As
usual, educate your kids. The public school system is controlled by the
government and corporate financial interests. “Get em when they’re
young”.
The idea is to capture children when they’re young and
brainwash them into the “new normal”. Anything that the authorities say
is true. If the authorities accuse a person, the person is guilty. There
are enough sheep in this country who get on juries and do exactly what
the government wants them to do. Now they’re working on YOUR kids so
that they have acceptable consumers, jurists and plenty of people who
believe that there’s no difference between right and wrong. There’s only
what the government and the corporations say and how you FEEL.
I’m hoping that the sleeping giant that is our good ole U.S.A. will finally wake up. But I have my doubts.

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4 months ago

Actually I just believe that when martial law comes into play we will
just have another American revolution. That is truly where doomsday
will begin.

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4 months ago

The way the old Soviets did it was to bring in troops from far away
so that they wouldn’t be as concerned about shooting people that they
knew all their lives. I’m sure that after hiring X-Nazis and Soviets for
50 years, our current Fascist government, will keep a few thing out of
the old play books.

http://worldobserver.co/2014/09/16/101-things-will-teach-daughter/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral

Its a good day when I read about dead cops just makes me warm inside can’t count number of times my rights were violated they always let me alone after I told them what rights they violated they don’t want it to go public I’m lucky though usually they don’t care cause taxpayer pays there tab when there caught fuck them all and there family

No FEMA just dead pigs we don’t need them

Sorry to tell you there are cops in California and other states in prison for committing rape

I think he meant as a last resort at stopping tyranny. As in when all other methods have failed. I think you are confusing it with thinking that the ONLY reason we need that right is to protect ourselves against tyranny in government” but other than that we don’t “need” to own guns.

Nothing but a bunch of keyboard warriors who are clueless about life! STOP being criminals and you won’t have to worry about cops! You guys don’t know your ass from your face and need to stop blaming everything on other people and take responsibility for your actions!!!!! Freakin IDIOTS!

http://truthvoice.com/2015/04/man-arrested-after-facebook-post-asking-is-bad-to-pop-a-cop/

Your argument is weak when you are resorting to name calling. If you don’t resist an unlawful arrest you will 99.99% of the time not be hurt and allowed to sue the police department within a few days. If you resist you create a situation where someone is likely to be hurt.

Or you could be a decent human being and not kill anybody.

When the heck did anything like this happen? Cops prevent anarchy.

You’re. …

You seem mentally disturbed. Enjoying the death of innocent TSA workers is sick. People don’t have to fly. They choose to go through security knowing they will be slightly molested.

If you are reading about cops getting arrested then that means they are policing their own.

Good luck against tanks and F22s.

Doesn’t bother me. Neither i, nor anybody I know, has had a warrant. I am glad the cops can find criminals easier.

I can’t wait to see someone shoot a cop and then say they read on here they could so the author gets arrested.. Let’s take the word “Cop” from the title.. When is it ok to shoot anyone? “Use whatever force is necessary”. Wow is this an inaccurate statement if I ever read one. You can’t shoot a purse snatcher, you can’t shoot someone who is preventing you from parking somewhere.

Let’s say you get pulled over because you dropped your phone and was trying to pick it up so you were serving. You get pulled over because the cop suspects you of DUI. You refuse to take a breatherlyzer because you think it is an unlawful search.. The Supreme Court disagrees and also says the law that says if you refuse to take the test it is an automatic arrest. Well you don’t agree and this has now become an unlawful search and seizure so you resist arrest. During your resist, the cop lawfully escalated force to put you under arrest. You still resist and get into a physical altercation with the police officer. Under the cops deadly force policy he is authorized to kill you. He shoots you.

Guess what.. He was in the right and you were in the wrong. Statics show that 99% of police shootings were justified. Statics also show that less than 1% of cops are crooked.

Those people are idiots. NEVER FLY.

CopBlock:

Run by criminals, for criminals, as an excuse to justify continuing to commit criminal acts or remain in the criminal lifestyle.

How about you stop breaking the law or poking the bear instead?

Stop drinking the Kool Aid.

You got a big mouth, care to go head-to-head and see who will come out on top?

“History shows that when a government leaves no access under law, and refuses to obey the law… people eventually begin shooting back.”

Provide sources or quit pulling shit from the nether regions of your bowels.

really danger? are you that moronic? do you believe that tech will save them? they cant even kill off a few backward-ass hadjis living in the mountains of afganistan effectively. If a revolution were start, the US government could be toppled quite quickly.

that’s because you are a worthless sheep and deserve the same fate as the cops.

That’s why you shoot to kill.