Standing Your Ground Against Police

Published On March 15, 2010 | By Ademo Freeman | Articles, Videos

This is as good of an example as you can get of asserting your rights.  Pete is no stranger to filming police and this is the second video of his used by Cop Block.  The first was confronting Arlington police officers about parking their cruiser illegally, which Cop Block is still waiting to hear the outcome of that investigation.  Pete’s decisions to go to his girlfriends aid, film the police, open carry a firearm, refuse to produce ID and to walk away from the police, without satisfying their request, were all perfectly legal acts.

Though you don’t ever have to talk to the police, Pete has a background in Law Enforcement along with a great knowledge of open carry laws.  Therefore, while he still talked to the police and provided them with information, above and beyond what’s legally required, he did so with caution.  Stating things like, “yes, I have an ID but am I legally required to show you?”  When told he was legally required to (a lie) Pete would ask if the officers could show him that statue which states such?  Pete does this because the police are legally allowed to lie to you, which they did several times in this video, but Pete counters that by asking questions to the officers which would force them to back up their lies.  As you can see they were unable to do that. After talking with them for a few minutes  Pete stated he was going to leave and why, then slowly backed away.

They didn’t follow him after that and he never had to produce his government issued ID.  There really was no wrong doings by the police officers in this video (other than the harassment and lying) as they seemed to be stumped by Pete’s actions.  Though they have typical cop syndrome of ‘if you have nothing to hide why don’t you just give us what we ask for and/or do what we say.’  You’d think that with all the police training and on the job experiences they would of quickly came to the conclusion that felons don’t walk up to cops openly displaying not only a firearm but a camera too.  Do these cops think that Pete is going to film his last five minutes of freedom, if he were a felon?  I highly doubt it and I’m speaking from the perspective of a felon (as I’m a victim of the drug war).

So what can be learned from this video? A lot, but the two biggest things to me are how Pete always keeps his cool and doesn’t get in a shouting match with the officers.  He doesn’t try to impress them with a bunch of legal rambling that would make him seem like ‘a know it all.’  He lets the officers speak and then replies giving as little information as possible in a calm cool collected manner.  The second is how Pete counters questions with questions.  In most cases, unless driving or suspected of criminal activity, you’re not required legally to produce ID when asked to by an officer.  Cops phrase it as a request, may I see your ID?  Which isn’t them telling you to produced it but merely a request to.  Sometimes when asked if you legally have to show them they lie and say yes because they can lie. Therefore instead of just  handing it over ask them, ‘Am I legally required to do so?”  If they say yes then ask to see the law.  If you start to feel uncomfortable remember at any point you can simply stop talking to them.  State that unless you’re under arrest you’re just going to go on your way, like Pete does here.  Leaving the cops dumbfounded.

Cop Block is hoping to get more videos like this.  So the next time you see a cop stopping somebody outside your home or down the street grab your camera.  Film them, even if there seems to be nothing going on.  Most likely the cop will ask you why you were filming the stop?  I tell the police that I’m filming to hold everyone (including myself) accountable.  We need to make this the norm as it’s a crucial method to holding officers accountable for their actions.

If you can’t film the police sharing Cop Block’s website and social networks is just as helpful.

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  • Kirsten

    Do you have information on which law enforcement agency these officers are with?

  • http://georgedonnelly.com George Donnelly

    “In violation of me doing my job”

    ROFL.

    Pete, you talked way too much. Never should have admitted you have ID on you. Remember: you always have to answer their questions with your questions. Don’t answer their questions.

  • http://www.copwatch.org/ Pat

    I’d imagine this info about cameras is elsewhere on this site, but it’s really really important for people to know. Unless you or your camera are directly involved in a crime – i.e. you are just videoing police action or even a crime in progress – you are never required to surrender your camera or memory card to a police officer. If you video a crime or evidence, you ARE required to give contact information to an officer so they can subpoena your recording, but they can not take your camera or media.

    Also, a suggestion for talking to police: People always get nervous talking to cops – you can hear the guy in the video is nervous even though he knows he’s done nothing wrong. People also try to fill pauses in conversations because it feels uncomfortable. If the officer hasn’t asked you something that requires a reply, just don’t say anything. The officer may not say anything either (they’re trained to do this.) They may also blurt something out to fill the silence. After a long pause, if you feel you have to say something, ask “Am I being detained?” or “Am I free to go?” It also gives you time to think and helps keep the dialog from escalating. Listen how lawyers talk to each other (long pauses) and practice doing this with friends and it will become natural.

  • Joe D

    Good job !

  • http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.com james ha

    pete was deliberately provoking them and that takes balls – kudos!
    also kudos to the officers for keeping their cool.

  • yeahright

    Only worked because of:

    1) the video camera

    2) he’s white

    “laws” work great when everything is on camera and you aren’t considered a second-class citizen. do you REALLY think the police would let a black man without a video camera go off without showing ID? that’s truly laughable.

    i commend you for the work you do on this site – it is extremely important. but if i were to follow your advice, I would end up severely beaten or dead.

    pretty soon we’re going to be in the situation in this country where the banks are closed and the cops and returning soldiers won’t be stopping you for traffic violations, they’ll be killing you for demanding your own money or for ‘looting’ the food that you need to eat and survive.

    videocameras aren’t going to help you then. better get prepared.

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  • http://infinityleadsystem.com/awareness2010 Brian

    Now that was really cool. Everyone should be doing this. Taking their power away is the most powerful weapon we have against tyranny. Their weapon is fear. Nice job!

  • Adam Z

    Well done, you handled that nicely. We, the People, MUST assert our RIGHTS, in this manner, to let the “AUTHORITIES” know that we know our rights, and will not let them trample on those rights.

  • Don

    Time to get our Constitution Back! Go here ! http://www.articlesoffreedom.us/Home.aspx
    And pass it on.

  • Rick K

    Everyone, be careful. Although all this “civil rights” stuff is great, it rarely works in the real world. He drove up in a car, all they needed to say is he made some illegal action with his vehicle, or some lie about him being a “suspect”. Its that easy and the game is over. The camera saved him here. Also the broad daylight. If he was alone where no one could see, he would have been taken down, and taken down hard, and the camera would meet with a terrible accident. These two cops were caught off guard by the camera. You can bet they got together after wards and have since developed a plan to “deal” with a similar situation. They are not used to being refused, they didn’t know what to do. The next time he’ll “match the description of a wanted man”, or any number of a thousand other “probable cause” lies. Everyone do what you must, just be real careful when you watch this stuff. A lot of bad things can happen and exercising your rights rarely goes this smoothly.

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  • Marshall B.

    Do you think the outcome of this situation would be different if he weren’t filming? Somehow I feel if Pete didn’t have that video camera, it would have been two officer’s words against his and they could have possibly won.

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  • Ben

    I realize that he is trying to provoke the cop into giving him an excuse to show what to do / not to do as far as exercising rights, but wearing a holstered gun is not helping the situation. Completely unnecessary. He should have had the camera and that alone.

  • Raunstar

    Your only response needed to be, my weapon is holstered and legal.

  • Alex

    “In most cases, unless driving or suspected of criminal activity, you’re not required legally to produce ID when asked to by an officer.”

    This is absolutely not fact. We have an absolute right to travel freely by automobile without a driver’s license, and this has been affirmed in both legal cases & Supreme Court Justice’s opinions. Google it. A driver’s license is only required for commercial drivers( truckers, delivery drivers, taxi drivers, etc…) You are NOT required to have a state issued driver’s license–in fact that’s what give police officers authority over you; by presenting a driver’s license you’ve just handed them a card, with your signature, which is your agreement to abide by their rules, and given the officers jurisdiction over you, which lands you in their corporate/admiralty courts to extract money from you.

  • William

    Unless you have a Supreme Court ruling to the contrary, you are required to identify yourself upon demand.

    http://epic.org/privacy/hiibel/cjlf_amicus.pdf

    Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Circuit of Nevada

    You may not like it, but that’s the way it is.

  • William

    For a follow up,
    Read

    People v. Debour

    Terry v Ohio

    Miranda v Arizona. People v. Debour is really good

  • Robbo

    Pete,

    Awesome. Just heard about this on FreeTalk Live. Were you nervous as hell in this situation? I know I would be.

  • thegaindeli

    Was this fun for you? You were obviously just trying to stir-up some s—! What’s up with the anti-social slogan stickers on his sun visor?

    While the cops shouldn’t be lying to him – he was wasting the time of those officers who could have been out taking care of more important matters.

    It’s assholes like you guy who give law abiding gun owners a bad name. You should have your right to own a firearm removed – permanently!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/drumdevilbd?feature=mhw4 Trevor

    What will happen if they ban filming of police like they have in the UK? hasnt this been in the news here in the states?

  • 262505

    Try this in NJ and I can guarantee a different outcome for this misguided young cub.

  • 262505

    How about filming a known drug “corner” or something disrupting public safety for the police to better spend their time addressing.
    I think his misguided behavior is directed at the wrong people. Love them or hate them, without the cops protecting his sorry ass, there are some members of our society who would have had a nice videocamera regardless of his personal firearm.

  • ammueller

    Anything and everything is available for your use, this site is to spread ideals. Thanks for your support.

  • Ben

    I agree that some cops are very heavy handed but its wrong to set up good cops! Some people are a little to gun happy and if they act like fools and make an aggressive movement towards their firearm and they will force the officer to defend themselves!

  • Bea

    You went to the cops traffic stop WITH A VIDEO CAMERA you just happened to be open carrying!

  • Andrew

    I hope one day, you need the police, and they will come because they always do, regardless if you hate them or not, the police are there for you, I hope realize that police are here watching over your homes while your asleep. They are there for all of us. It disgusts me that you people are so ignorant.

  • yorgan

    I am amazed at the number of people missing the point here. You are not “harassing” a police officer by following the law. You are not “harassing” a police officer by questioning them about the legality of their actions. Neither are you detracting from their ability to perform their legal obligations and duties as a police officer.

    If the man has a legal right to open carry, and does not have to present ID then he is just acting as a citizen. If that provokes a peace officer, then that is the officer’s problem. And yes, in some situations they will beat you down for that if you do not have a camera (or shoot you if they know you are carrying), That does not negate the fact that it takes a brave soul to test the edges of the often ego-driven power boundaries illegally drawn by officers in the line (and outside the line) of duty. Police compliance should not be solely based on threat and intimidation… it should be based on the rule of law.

    Kudos to this young man for standing up for all our rights in the face of intimidation. The police are there for all of us, but to hide your head in the sand and pretend that this gives them the right to abuse and manipulate the law in an ad hoc basis for there own personal purposes is wrong

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  • James

    I appreciate what you are trying to do here, not enough people assert their rights when confonted. But to provoke an officer just to prove your own point is somewhat ridiculous. If I was that officer I would have been concerned in the way you felt you had to ‘protect’ your girlfriend in possession of a firearm. Furthermore, to not produce your ID would also be somewhat disconcerting. Whilst you are filming these two officers, you were preventing them from doing their jobs, protecting the streets. Do not get me wrong their are a lot of bent Cops out there, some ignore the law or manipulate it to their advantage, people know this, you are proving nothing, let them do their jobs, things aren’t as bad as they once were my friend.

  • http://circlesafety.com/online-safety-training/ Carmelo Strimel

    I want to see more videos on your site, I really think everyone would like them.

  • Rich

    The guy came up on the officer from behind. This is what created the problem. Standing up for rights is one thing. Obnoxiously coming up behind an officer like this enough times will create a gut reaction response from lawmakers. Having rights also means caring for them enough to protect them by not abusing them. No the man did nothing illegal, Keep acting obnoxiously like this.They will make it illegal. I wonder if these people are plants for the anti gun lobby to escalate and video tape armed men coming up behind officers doing there duty. Edit that part of the tape and THEY have a really great anti-gun add.

  • Neil

    Have you ever hear of using a conditional acceptace with police? Refusal to present ID is actually dishonor in court. The courts are not about justice but honor and dishonor.

    The reason the police did not arrest you for dishonor is because there was no evidence of a contract with the state. You lisence is evidence of a contract. If you had been in a motor vehicle and refused to present ID, you lisence plate is evidence of a contract and you would have been in dishonor and arrested for what ever charge they want to bring against you. That is why they have what they call a “piss of the police go to jail law” that they can use against you.

    Robert Menard from Canada has a lot of good stuff on his web site. Knowing the rules of the game and asking the right questions can get you out of a lot of situations. The rules of the game is the uniform commercial code. They must follow their own rules and if you learn you can use it against them. Also there is a proceedure in court that must be used or you are in dishonor. Even though you have done nothing wrong, you are still guilty of not following porceedure therefore you are guilty. There is a great course that you can purchase called jurisdictionary that teaches courtroom proceedure. They must follow it or they are in dishonor. If you catch them in dishonor, you win.

    Officer, I conditionally accept your offer to present my ID upon proof of claim that I am required to do so or required to obey your order.

    Officer, I conditionaly accept your offer to move to the sidewalk(vedio tape, or whatever the order is..)upon proof of claim that I am required to do so. If you really want to hold them liable use “upon proof of claim under full commercial liability” That way if they lie to you they are in dishonor and you can file a claim against them. You cannot lie in commercial law.

    You are conditionaly accepting their offer you are not refusing to present your ID or refusing to obey their orders. Under the UCC(commercial contract law) there is a difference. Honor and dishonor.

    Try it, I hope it helps

  • http://www.domestictreason.blogspot.com MadDogMarine

    SO let me get this right.. According to cops that lie, I need to ID myself to ensure I am not a felon carrying a firearm. Let’s just say I am a felon. Now I have to be a witness against myself in direct violation of the 5th amendment?? The Constitution means nothing to these cops. If, as a policeman with 1)A Badge 2) A Gun 3) A bullet proof vest 4)A radio for instant backup and 6) Extensive training at taxpayer’s expense, is still AFRAID of the American people carrying a side arm, they need to find another job. Looking at those cops, I would have directly felt my safety was in jeopardy. They walked up on me brandishing firearms. Two armed men, lying to me, puffed up like they are on steroids, I would have a legitimate reason to fear for my safety. Have you ever heard of rhoid rage???

  • billy8216

    WTF, Your the one doing the harassment, not the other way around. The cops doing his lawful duty and you show up just to break his balls and make a point. You didn’t get arrested because you don’t have to show Id, but your whole purpose for being their was for a confrontation. What’s the fuckin’ point? Put yourself in the cops shoes. He’s on a lawful car stop. He’s focused on the driver who may or may not be a threat to him and possibly possess a weapon. Your’e basically behind him with a camera and a loaded gun. He doesn’t know who you are or why you’re their. Maybe you will pull your gun when his back is to you and kill him. He’s their alone between possibly two threats. Can’t you fucking see that. He was right to call backup and challenge you. You put him in fear for no reason. Pointless………………..

  • jn

    to the posters saying he came up from behind? please watch again as he approches in full view of the officer on his left. why would you say different? strawmen will get burned

  • billy8216

    He’s between 2 possible threats; the officer’s back is to the video guy with the handgun. He may have approached from the left but it doesn’t matter.

  • Arthur

    Who are these officers and which department do they belong to?
    More importantly, why did this officer assume the OCer was from North or South Carolina?
    I’m sure the Governors and representatives of our two fine states will be very interested in the same question as well when I send as many of them as I can this video.

    This is very disturbing.

  • santa

    with regard to the supreme court and identifying yourself, the least intrusive stop and identify is a Terry stop. You don’t have to do much to qualify for that but there has to be SOME kind of reason to require your ID…some level of suspicion. it might just be a group hanging around on a street corner that is used for drug sales…but if you are just walking down the street alone there is no requirement to provide an ID. The problem is the cops can make up a reasonable suspicion fairly easily so refusing to ID yourself may be righteous but it may also get you arrested and it may stick even if it should not.
    I would personally say as little as possible. Always. a net search under “don’t talk to the police” will provide an important video on the subject of talking to the police for anyone who has not seen it. Look for the two part video by a lawyer doing a lecture to a law class. It’s a classic.

  • Roark

    billy8216 is right. This kind of bullshit cop baiting discredits the cause of protecting liberty. When you pull juvenile stunts like this you are harming liberty – not helping.

  • Stu Rice

    I think a lot of people are missing the point of this video. It was to demonstrate that you can stand up for your rights and walk away from the police without answering their questions. He simply approached the police to show show it. The police were not “harassed” by being filmed. It was their choice to spend time questioning him. They would have still reacted to him without the holstered gun, although not nearly as strongly.

    Here’s a lawyer’s video of why he will never speak to police. A different tact on the same idea.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

    As for Neil’s comments about “honor and dishonor,” It sounds as if its a British Commonwealth thing. I have never heard of anyone here (united states) being arrested for “dishonor.” Here in the U.S. we have the right to remain silent.

  • Michael

    I like how some know it all’s leave comments quoting yet another “Supreme Court.. blah blah.. Proving once again the point here. It is best left in THAT (federal) jurisdiction.

    It is very clear that this man was in his rights, he could have used a little better communications while “talking to the cop” But all in all, it played out great for the general folk to comprehend that they have no LAWFUL claim against you.

    Secondly That “cop” asked you about “his right” too. It would have been a GREAT question to COUNTER ask if he was denying you YOUR right to make sure YOUR family was safe as well. After all You are a corporate employee correct? And you don’t have any LAWFUL right to CHARGE her correct?

    Nice work.

    ps.. I would have said something like

    “I conditionally accept your offer to present a “security instrument of my person” upon a presentation of a bona fide claim against me. Do You Have one?
    cop- No.

    me- Then my business is concluded here.. have a peaceful day.

  • Michael

    Roark says:
    December 27, 2010 at 9:38 am

    billy8216 is right. This kind of bullshit cop baiting discredits the cause of protecting liberty. When you pull juvenile stunts like this you are harming liberty – not helping.

    WHO THE HELL IS ASKING FOR PROTECTION HERE?

    DO YOU NEED PROTECTION?

    NOT ME.

    You can stay in your “Democracy” (mob rule) and I will “LIVE” (freely) in my Republic.

  • Annoyed…

    First of all your website name is CopBlock, so right off the bat it’s obvious that you have some kind of personal beef or vendeta with police officers from something your past. You keep spouting legal jargon and it’s all bullshit. The law in the place that I currently live actually states that you must present ID on command for an investigation (as to why your carrying a loaded weapon) and for a gun permit to carry the weapon around out in the open, there are actual state statutes for both, and nice fines to go along with both. I don’t know where you personally live and I don’t give two shits.

    Secondly I don’t know how or when a police officer “wronged” you but the fact of life is that no one is perfect, period. There are shit cops out there and that’s the way it is. But there are also many cops who have and will always put their life on the line to protect you and your family, regardless of whether you “like” them or not. You’re saying you’re exercising your rights here? All you’re doing is trying to be an ass to a cop, you knew they would want to see your ID and ask you questions about it. If they see someone walking down the street with a gun in their hand you’re saying they should just leave them alone because they probably have a good reason they’re carrying it? That’s just stupid…

    There’s people at your job and everyone elses who abuse their authority, police officers are held to a different standard and that the way it is, but cut them come fucking slack, especially with asses like you trying to provoke them and make their jobs harder. People like you are why so many cops are afraid to draw their weapons in a situation and don’t get to go home to their families because they didn’t want to be investigated and put on suspension or sued because they did their job. You disgust me.

    The day assholes like you get their way and there’s no more police officers is the day that you need one. But until that day comes, you call and they’ll be there.

  • Matt

    It’s idiots like this that waste Police Officer’s time and prove absolutely nothing. I guess you get your kicks out of it?? I don’t get it. I know there are some bad apples but I think that the overwhelming majority of Police do a great job on a daily basis. Who would even want to be a cop dealing with numbskulls like this, I mean seriously.

    We have a Police Officer murdered it seems like daily in this country yet still you have wacko websites like this who are so against them. Get a life, all of you pathetic idiots.

  • M. M. M. .

    There are police officers who abide by the law and police offers who break the law. There are also police officers who enforce the law with zealous over and above the protection of human life and this is common in this time. It is also common in this time for an officer consumed with zeal for the enforcement of codes and laws to threaten the lives of non-violent offendors or become violent toward them in their zealot.

  • Kyle

    To those who don’t want to admit there are bad police officers I hope these people walk up and realize as citizens they need to stand up to themselves and their rights……even if it means a few hurt egos or the law of attraction will make sure the problem does not remain unaddressed for long…………….the hard way.

    Why is it that society ALWAYS without fail has to learn the hard way to do things thru the school of hard knocks?

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  • ed

    I have been arrested 3 times by bad cops-
    first, when I complained and called the cops because I was being attacked physically, (they arrested me because I wasn’t as cute as my wife nor did I bring on the tears as only she can in the most convenient moments),
    second, I was sleeping while poor- I was harassed, chased, beaten, and arrested on my own property with no probable cause, they were simply pissed i didn’t show them id, i thought they were thieves and also thought i had a right to sleep in my own van in my own driveway without being rousted out like a dog in a garbage bin. I spent time in jail for that.
    third, while my landlord was trespassing in my room, committing extortion, false imprisonment, harassment, false eviction, self- help eviction, the cops arrested me because the landlord used the magic lie: he said he was afraid, he broke a half a dozen laws but he had a cute wife once again and an even cuter neice on his side who weren’t there to see what he had done. I had done nothing illegal except have a scary face and so the cops arrested me! Wisc has a law that requires police to haul the someone away if someone says they’re scared. Indeed my landlord was “afraid”, afraid of his wife if he didn’t throw me out of my own home.
    Thank you for doing this work, you are spot on, the cops need to change their practices, I feel more like I am in Nazi Germany, our civil rights have been forgotten and someone has to remind us what my ancestors fought for in the American Revolution.

  • DJ LEGEND

    I saw the video and was Very Surprised. The guy with gun was definetly saved by his video of what transpired. I coulda used that 2 nights ago when I was surrounded by 5 Lancaster,city PA Police officers who did a number on my physically and emotionally for bogus trumped up charges,Disorderly Conduct and public drunkenness. After they told me to leave, I informed then that I was waiting for my cab and that’s when they threw me to the wall and ripped my wallet from my pocket. They grabbed my license and they ran it and I told them to go-ahead that I have no warrents and that I have no arrests here,but as usual everyone is a suspect and didn’t believe a word that came out of my mouth. Then they proceeded to give me back my I.D. and told me to get the Hell out of here because obviously they didn’t find anything. In which I responded back that I was waiting for my cab which I soon found out was a big mistake. The next thing I know P.O. Nagy proceeded to try to grab my next in order to initiate a ” Police take down.” I then slipped out of the hold he tried on me. I gently pissed him down to the ground which he didn’t take to kindly to. His partner and three other police officers finally grabbed on to me and threw me to the ground. They mushed my face on the ground and two of then kicked me. As they proceeded to get the handcuffs on me they tried to break my arms. And at that point I was screaming in pain and told them that there was no reason and that i hadn’t done anything wrong. At that time I realized that I was bleedind from my face as the blood was dripping down into the streets. From the corner of my eye I saw a supervisor who I think was a sergeant. I asked him your a supervisor why can’t you stop this. He responded you deserve everything your getting.

  • DJ LEGEND

    I saw the video and was Very Surprised. The guy with gun was definetly saved by his video of what transpired. I coulda used that 2 nights ago when I was surrounded by 5 Lancaster,city PA Police officers who did a number on my physically and emotionally for bogus trumped up charges,Disorderly Conduct and public drunkenness. After they told me to leave, I informed then that I was waiting for my cab and that’s when they threw me to the wall and ripped my wallet from my pocket. They grabbed my license and they ran it and I told them to go-ahead that I have no warrents and that I have no arrests here,but as usual everyone is a suspect and didn’t believe a word that came out of my mouth. Then they proceeded to give me back my I.D. and told me to get the Hell out of here because obviously they didn’t find anything. In which I responded back that I was waiting for my cab which I soon found out was a big mistake. The next thing I know P.O. Nagy proceeded to try to grab me next in order to initiate a ” Police take down.” I then slipped out of the hold he tried on me. I gently pushed him down to the ground which he didn’t take to kindly to. His partner and three other police officers finally grabbed on to me and threw me to the ground. They mushed my face on the ground and two of them kicked me. As they proceeded to get the handcuffs on me they tried to break my arms. And at that point I was screaming in pain and told them that there was no reason and that i hadn’t done anything wrong. At that time I realized that I was bleedind from my face as the blood was dripping down on the streets. From the corner of my eye I saw a supervisor who I think was a sergeant. I asked him your a supervisor why can’t you stop this. He responded you deserve everything your getting. And proceeded to walk over to where I was handcuffed on the ground not moving and kicked me one time on my side. They finally picked me up bleeding, in shock, and embarrassed ,I just couldn’t believed what had transpired. At this point they shoved me in the back of the police car, my hands already numb due to the handcuffs being so tight.I also tried to tell the supervisor and his five thugs cops that I have family that are on the Job back in NJ.But the damage had been done. They whisked me off to the hospital and then escorted me into the ER in handcuffs. When we got to the bed they verbally threatened me and warned me not to say anything to the hospital staff about what they did to me moments before. He told me if I said anything to my wife any other family members that I would not be going home from the hospital. While his partner just looked at me grinding his teeth making sure that I knew they were serious. He said that county is not too far from here so if you want to go home tonight keep your mouth shut. Remember we have your license and we know where you live so it won’t be a big problem finding you. I’m not one to bite my tongue but they gave me no choice. That’s your Lancaster City Police Department. I learned a big lesson after this major ordeal, DON’T TRUST NO LANCASTER CITY POLICE. I hope this doesn’t happen to you and/or yours.

  • Debora Kohn

    You wouldn’t want your Volt to burn rubber…

  • Blain

    so i have a serious question that i cant seem to find out the answer to on the internet….

    But my friend was pulled over and i was in the passenger side and i started filming… my friend always gets pulled over because he has a sema show car and they always profile him… but anyways another officer came on my side of the car and put his flashlight light directly pointed on my camera so it blocked everything out… i even moved the phone around and he followed it i was wondering if this is legal???????? please help me and email me the answer :)

  • william

    Blain asks if it’s legal for the Police to shine a light in his camera while he is filming them? The answer is yes… No law was broken. The Officer objected to being filmed as some people object to having their picture taken. He tried to stop it by shining a light in the camera. You were rude in trying to film him without his permission and he was with in his rights to stop it without putting his hands on you or your camera….

  • http://youtube Peggy Petit

    I’m a 59 year old women w/a gun permit. In the state of Michigan we do have open carry but….when approached by an Officer the very 1st thing you do is let the Officer know that you have your side arm & have your license & permit ready.Why would you not be polite & follow the law? I mean REALLY…you’re ruining it for the rest of us LAW ABIDING citizens. I believe open carry is to HELP our law enforcement Officers not hinder them. With mental midgets like all of you that confront them to make a point…the only point you’re making is your an ass & your permit should be pulled, your unstable. The police scrape ppl like you off the road everyday. Hope you never need to call them for help, not that they wouldn’t because that’s their job. Get a grip & appreciate them for who they are & what they go through every day. Their families never know if it’s their last BECAUSE of ppl like you.
    Signed: Widow of a Police Lt. Miss & love you Max!!!!!!

  • Big John B

    Well, first off here’s a little advise I learned from cop friends, fly under the radar, you know what that means, if you smoke pot shut your mouth and smoke in private, if you don’t like to interact with police, don’t! If you cause shit your likely to run afoul,with the law, use your head, if it smells like a commy it is. that means don’t say things on the phone that a nun wouldn’t get the jest! I don’t trust authority any more than when I wasa hippy, I just now know how to look act and smell like them, this means flying under the radar, If your around trouble police will come, keep your nose clean and shut up around police, and never never never tell them you can’t do that! Your just asking for trouble they hate that statement and unfortunately unless your a court apointed officer (a lawyer) they can do as they please (yes welcome to 1984, the quicker you learn this like me the better). Yes the whole judiciary stinks as I say there is a huge conflict here as lawyers are court appointed officers (Ask one if you don’t believe me) you pay them but their alliance is to the crown not you. anyone want to start a class action suite? Ya it’s all a big brother stink so as I say fly under the radar, the least police interaction the better. I call this communist-capitalism .

  • jose

    i hate cops, fuckin pigs

  • David

    “In most cases, unless driving or suspected of criminal activity, you’re not required legally to produce ID when asked to by an officer.”

    This is absolutely not fact. We have an absolute right to travel freely by automobile without a driver’s license, and this has been affirmed in both legal cases & Supreme Court Justice’s opinions. Google it. A driver’s license is only required for commercial drivers( truckers, delivery drivers, taxi drivers, etc…) You are NOT required to have a state issued driver’s license–in fact that’s what give police officers authority over you; by presenting a driver’s license you’ve just handed them a card, with your signature, which is your agreement to abide by their rules, and given the officers jurisdiction over you, which lands you in their corporate/admiralty courts to extract money from you.

    Really? In every state in order to operate a motor vehicle over a certain size engine displacement you are in fact legally required to possess an operators (driver’s) license. There are multiple types of licenses and maybe this is where your confusion comes in. There are several classes ( types) of licenses. 2 or more types of commercial (cdl) licenses and sometimes 2 or more regular licenses for non commercial vehicles.
    secondly in most states there is in fact a “stop and identify” law in effect. simply put, if a law enforcement or “peace” officer demands identification you are in most states legally required to surrender it. furthermore when you sign for your drivers license or other government issued photo id you agree to surrender your license when asked. Its always helpful to fully understand and know the laws in which state you are referring to. Fortunately for this person the state of California does not have a stop and identify law however when the person stated they had an id they were legally obligated to surrender it

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  • Idunno

    “We have a Police Officer murdered it seems like daily in this country”

    Good. Phuck the police. I’ve called them twice in my life for help, they couldn’t do anything. But they acted like godsend heroes and threatened to call the DEA when they found a small amount of pot on me. (I need to learn to bite my tongue, I told the cop to put the DEA on speaker phone, I want to hear them laughing at you, especially when this is Wayne County, Michigan with Detroit in their jurisdiction).

    The days of a cop asking you how you’re doing and not following it up “do you have anything I should know about” are long gone. Thank you to my parents generation for this. When you’re all dead and gone, we’ll still be suffering.

    When the police police the police, the police are accountable to nobody. They murder people, claim self defense and get paid vacations. Yet when some civilian actually shoots someone in self defense, they immediately dismiss all claims of self defense and haul the guy to the station for booking.

    Pathetic.

    Are those 2 cops who opened fire on the wrong vehicle in the Dorner case going to be paying back that 4.2 million to the tax paying citizens in cash or check? Neither, the citizens will have to foot the bill. Cops pay nothing out of pocket when they get sued, it’s all the tax payers. Shoot first, ask questions later and make the people of the city pay when these tactics fail.

  • Preston Dier

    Incredible video and information. You have to have enough footage to put together a feature length film just of police lying to the public and abusing their badge. Great job.

  • http://ms1.gotdns.com jonny rocket

    i dare you to try this in front of the white house.

  • David Behrens Sr

    Bottom line is that an idiot comes up to police officer from his blind side while he’s engaged in a motor vehicle stop. The guy also walked up to an officer carrying not only a camera but a drawn handgun. If the officer turned and shot the guy, fearing that the guy was going to shoot him he would have been justified. Only idiots interfere with officers while they’re in the performance of their duties. Only stupid idiots approach and officer with loaded handgun from just out of the officers main view. Stupid stupid stupid! Yet, many of you, who have no idea what it’s like to do the job of a police officer, will praise this jerk for placing himself and this officer in a potentially dangerous situation. And all for showmanship!

  • David Behrens Sr

    When you put yourself in the position that this idiot did, you certainly do have to show ID and cause for being there. The officer was involved in lawful motor vehicle stop and approached this officer from his blind side carrying a loaded handgun and purposely involved himself in this incident. The officer has no idea of his intentions or his mental state and since the idiot initiated the incident the officer has every right to find out information.

  • David Behrens Sr

    Why not? It’s legal for you to point the camera at the officer,it’s certainly lawful for the officer to shine the light into the camera.

  • David Behrens Sr

    The guy with the camera also had a loaded handgun out of its holster. Anyone that teaches gun safety will tell you, plus it’s common sense, that the only time you pull your weapon is if you need to use it. The “photographer,” and I use that term loosely, is lucky he didn’t get shot for coming up on the officers blind side like that holding the gun.

  • David Behrens Sr

    3 times by “bad cops.” What are the odds? Maybe its you.

  • george

    Clearly the cameraman didn’t have his gun out of the holster otherwise the cop would have reacted totally different! Obviously the cop had nothing better to do after his traffic stop but harass the guy with the video camera. Unfortunately he met a man that knows his rights!

  • Clem_the_Great

    That greaser cop was an IQ 75 broken record.

  • Harvey Wallbanger

    ” The guy also walked up to an officer carrying not only a camera but a drawn handgun.”
    A drawn handgun? Where is this proven?