Comments on: Standing Your Ground Against Police

By: ed

ed — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 03:03:34 +0000

I have been arrested 3 times by bad cops-
first, when I complained and called the cops because I was being attacked physically, (they arrested me because I wasn’t as cute as my wife nor did I bring on the tears as only she can in the most convenient moments),
second, I was sleeping while poor- I was harassed, chased, beaten, and arrested on my own property with no probable cause, they were simply pissed i didn’t show them id, i thought they were thieves and also thought i had a right to sleep in my own van in my own driveway without being rousted out like a dog in a garbage bin. I spent time in jail for that.
third, while my landlord was trespassing in my room, committing extortion, false imprisonment, harassment, false eviction, self- help eviction, the cops arrested me because the landlord used the magic lie: he said he was afraid, he broke a half a dozen laws but he had a cute wife once again and an even cuter neice on his side who weren’t there to see what he had done. I had done nothing illegal except have a scary face and so the cops arrested me! Wisc has a law that requires police to haul the someone away if someone says they’re scared. Indeed my landlord was “afraid”, afraid of his wife if he didn’t throw me out of my own home.
Thank you for doing this work, you are spot on, the cops need to change their practices, I feel more like I am in Nazi Germany, our civil rights have been forgotten and someone has to remind us what my ancestors fought for in the American Revolution.

By: Monster Beats

Monster Beats — Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:53:57 +0000

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By: Tim Anderson

Tim Anderson — Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:29:26 +0000

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By: kidney stones

kidney stones — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:14:15 +0000

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By: Kyle

Kyle — Sat, 24 Sep 2011 07:11:38 +0000

To those who don’t want to admit there are bad police officers I hope these people walk up and realize as citizens they need to stand up to themselves and their rights……even if it means a few hurt egos or the law of attraction will make sure the problem does not remain unaddressed for long…………….the hard way.

Why is it that society ALWAYS without fail has to learn the hard way to do things thru the school of hard knocks?

By: M. M. M. .

M. M. M. . — Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:49:30 +0000

There are police officers who abide by the law and police offers who break the law. There are also police officers who enforce the law with zealous over and above the protection of human life and this is common in this time. It is also common in this time for an officer consumed with zeal for the enforcement of codes and laws to threaten the lives of non-violent offendors or become violent toward them in their zealot.

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 01 Jul 2011 21:03:35 +0000

It’s idiots like this that waste Police Officer’s time and prove absolutely nothing. I guess you get your kicks out of it?? I don’t get it. I know there are some bad apples but I think that the overwhelming majority of Police do a great job on a daily basis. Who would even want to be a cop dealing with numbskulls like this, I mean seriously.

We have a Police Officer murdered it seems like daily in this country yet still you have wacko websites like this who are so against them. Get a life, all of you pathetic idiots.

By: Annoyed...

Annoyed... — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:37:16 +0000

First of all your website name is CopBlock, so right off the bat it’s obvious that you have some kind of personal beef or vendeta with police officers from something your past. You keep spouting legal jargon and it’s all bullshit. The law in the place that I currently live actually states that you must present ID on command for an investigation (as to why your carrying a loaded weapon) and for a gun permit to carry the weapon around out in the open, there are actual state statutes for both, and nice fines to go along with both. I don’t know where you personally live and I don’t give two shits.

Secondly I don’t know how or when a police officer “wronged” you but the fact of life is that no one is perfect, period. There are shit cops out there and that’s the way it is. But there are also many cops who have and will always put their life on the line to protect you and your family, regardless of whether you “like” them or not. You’re saying you’re exercising your rights here? All you’re doing is trying to be an ass to a cop, you knew they would want to see your ID and ask you questions about it. If they see someone walking down the street with a gun in their hand you’re saying they should just leave them alone because they probably have a good reason they’re carrying it? That’s just stupid…

There’s people at your job and everyone elses who abuse their authority, police officers are held to a different standard and that the way it is, but cut them come fucking slack, especially with asses like you trying to provoke them and make their jobs harder. People like you are why so many cops are afraid to draw their weapons in a situation and don’t get to go home to their families because they didn’t want to be investigated and put on suspension or sued because they did their job. You disgust me.

The day assholes like you get their way and there’s no more police officers is the day that you need one. But until that day comes, you call and they’ll be there.

By: Michael

Michael — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:08:46 +0000

Roark says:
December 27, 2010 at 9:38 am

billy8216 is right. This kind of bullshit cop baiting discredits the cause of protecting liberty. When you pull juvenile stunts like this you are harming liberty – not helping.

WHO THE HELL IS ASKING FOR PROTECTION HERE?

DO YOU NEED PROTECTION?

NOT ME.

You can stay in your “Democracy” (mob rule) and I will “LIVE” (freely) in my Republic.

By: Michael

Michael — Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:06:18 +0000

I like how some know it all’s leave comments quoting yet another “Supreme Court.. blah blah.. Proving once again the point here. It is best left in THAT (federal) jurisdiction.

It is very clear that this man was in his rights, he could have used a little better communications while “talking to the cop” But all in all, it played out great for the general folk to comprehend that they have no LAWFUL claim against you.

Secondly That “cop” asked you about “his right” too. It would have been a GREAT question to COUNTER ask if he was denying you YOUR right to make sure YOUR family was safe as well. After all You are a corporate employee correct? And you don’t have any LAWFUL right to CHARGE her correct?

Nice work.

ps.. I would have said something like

“I conditionally accept your offer to present a “security instrument of my person” upon a presentation of a bona fide claim against me. Do You Have one?
cop- No.

me- Then my business is concluded here.. have a peaceful day.

By: Stu Rice

Stu Rice — Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:32:55 +0000

I think a lot of people are missing the point of this video. It was to demonstrate that you can stand up for your rights and walk away from the police without answering their questions. He simply approached the police to show show it. The police were not “harassed” by being filmed. It was their choice to spend time questioning him. They would have still reacted to him without the holstered gun, although not nearly as strongly.

Here’s a lawyer’s video of why he will never speak to police. A different tact on the same idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

As for Neil’s comments about “honor and dishonor,” It sounds as if its a British Commonwealth thing. I have never heard of anyone here (united states) being arrested for “dishonor.” Here in the U.S. we have the right to remain silent.

By: Roark

Roark — Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:38:21 +0000

billy8216 is right. This kind of bullshit cop baiting discredits the cause of protecting liberty. When you pull juvenile stunts like this you are harming liberty – not helping.

By: santa

santa — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:31:20 +0000

with regard to the supreme court and identifying yourself, the least intrusive stop and identify is a Terry stop. You don’t have to do much to qualify for that but there has to be SOME kind of reason to require your ID…some level of suspicion. it might just be a group hanging around on a street corner that is used for drug sales…but if you are just walking down the street alone there is no requirement to provide an ID. The problem is the cops can make up a reasonable suspicion fairly easily so refusing to ID yourself may be righteous but it may also get you arrested and it may stick even if it should not.
I would personally say as little as possible. Always. a net search under “don’t talk to the police” will provide an important video on the subject of talking to the police for anyone who has not seen it. Look for the two part video by a lawyer doing a lecture to a law class. It’s a classic.

By: Arthur

Arthur — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:45:04 +0000

Who are these officers and which department do they belong to?
More importantly, why did this officer assume the OCer was from North or South Carolina?
I’m sure the Governors and representatives of our two fine states will be very interested in the same question as well when I send as many of them as I can this video.

This is very disturbing.

By: billy8216

billy8216 — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:28:58 +0000

He’s between 2 possible threats; the officer’s back is to the video guy with the handgun. He may have approached from the left but it doesn’t matter.

By: jn

jn — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 21:34:26 +0000

to the posters saying he came up from behind? please watch again as he approches in full view of the officer on his left. why would you say different? strawmen will get burned

By: billy8216

billy8216 — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 02:02:15 +0000

WTF, Your the one doing the harassment, not the other way around. The cops doing his lawful duty and you show up just to break his balls and make a point. You didn’t get arrested because you don’t have to show Id, but your whole purpose for being their was for a confrontation. What’s the fuckin’ point? Put yourself in the cops shoes. He’s on a lawful car stop. He’s focused on the driver who may or may not be a threat to him and possibly possess a weapon. Your’e basically behind him with a camera and a loaded gun. He doesn’t know who you are or why you’re their. Maybe you will pull your gun when his back is to you and kill him. He’s their alone between possibly two threats. Can’t you fucking see that. He was right to call backup and challenge you. You put him in fear for no reason. Pointless………………..

By: MadDogMarine

MadDogMarine — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:13:05 +0000

SO let me get this right.. According to cops that lie, I need to ID myself to ensure I am not a felon carrying a firearm. Let’s just say I am a felon. Now I have to be a witness against myself in direct violation of the 5th amendment?? The Constitution means nothing to these cops. If, as a policeman with 1)A Badge 2) A Gun 3) A bullet proof vest 4)A radio for instant backup and 6) Extensive training at taxpayer’s expense, is still AFRAID of the American people carrying a side arm, they need to find another job. Looking at those cops, I would have directly felt my safety was in jeopardy. They walked up on me brandishing firearms. Two armed men, lying to me, puffed up like they are on steroids, I would have a legitimate reason to fear for my safety. Have you ever heard of rhoid rage???

By: Neil

Neil — Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:43:50 +0000

Have you ever hear of using a conditional acceptace with police? Refusal to present ID is actually dishonor in court. The courts are not about justice but honor and dishonor.

The reason the police did not arrest you for dishonor is because there was no evidence of a contract with the state. You lisence is evidence of a contract. If you had been in a motor vehicle and refused to present ID, you lisence plate is evidence of a contract and you would have been in dishonor and arrested for what ever charge they want to bring against you. That is why they have what they call a “piss of the police go to jail law” that they can use against you.

Robert Menard from Canada has a lot of good stuff on his web site. Knowing the rules of the game and asking the right questions can get you out of a lot of situations. The rules of the game is the uniform commercial code. They must follow their own rules and if you learn you can use it against them. Also there is a proceedure in court that must be used or you are in dishonor. Even though you have done nothing wrong, you are still guilty of not following porceedure therefore you are guilty. There is a great course that you can purchase called jurisdictionary that teaches courtroom proceedure. They must follow it or they are in dishonor. If you catch them in dishonor, you win.

Officer, I conditionally accept your offer to present my ID upon proof of claim that I am required to do so or required to obey your order.

Officer, I conditionaly accept your offer to move to the sidewalk(vedio tape, or whatever the order is..)upon proof of claim that I am required to do so. If you really want to hold them liable use “upon proof of claim under full commercial liability” That way if they lie to you they are in dishonor and you can file a claim against them. You cannot lie in commercial law.

You are conditionaly accepting their offer you are not refusing to present your ID or refusing to obey their orders. Under the UCC(commercial contract law) there is a difference. Honor and dishonor.

Try it, I hope it helps