Frustrating a Sheriff with Questions and a Camera

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Adam sent in this video of himself and a few of his friends being harassed by a police officer for their ID’s. See these two videos below:

PART ONE:

PART TWO:

Wagoner County Sheriff’s Office
918.485.3124

My name is Adam and I have been a follower for the last year and there are a lot of things that I learned that I didn’t know police could and should not do!

That being said we had officers respond to my next door neighbor’s house, a repo man was trying to take the car over there and they didn’t want him to, so my brother, wife and my brother’s girl all went over there to help before police arrived, my wife recorded, my brother set in the car with the neighbor, and his girl just stood by and watched.

Well the great sheriff shows up and starts barking orders! Telling everyone to fork over their ID’s. I knew at this point, as did the other three, what questions to ask. So they asked, are we being detained and are we free to go!

The video is great because it shows the officer saying, “Why would you be? Y’all called me?” So, the groups said they wanted to be free to go after determining that they were not being detained. The cop still told them no! After about a min or two, he came back and said the same thing, “ID’S NOW.” Again the three held strong. So now the cop threatened to arrest us for obstruction. Amber got scared and gave up her name and info at this time. However, my wife and brother did not! The cop then said why he truly wanted the ID’s.  “No one’s going anywhere until I run all your names for warrants!!!” BINGO.

The cop then blows his stack and handcuffs everyone! And the video goes off cause he shuts it off, three people in handcuffs, suspected of NO crime, ALL because they wouldn’t submit to the cop and let him run them for warrants. Not a single one of us has even had a traffic ticket! In the end, the cop makes it even worse when he tells them the only way they won’t go to jail, is if they fill out a statement. I thought we had the right to remain silent! That’s forced testimony. They finally released them, after I got on the phone with a supervisor and threatened lawsuits. Before they left, the cops said they were going to have a warrant issued for us at a later date. I called the sheriff and he said he is looking into this matter. I doubt that will go anywhere, since I don’t have that last part on video. And I’m sure that part will be missing from my open records request for said video. I’ll keep you updated.

Thanks
Adam

Thank you Adam for the submission and for having the courage to film the police. I’m not so sure it was a good idea to sit in the car being towed in the first place, but putting that aside, I’m pretty sure that two of those in these videos didn’t have to show their ID’s to this officer. Why he felt the need to demand that is merely a guess. I feel it stems from police training, because most cops are trained to ask you for ID. Most people think you HAVE to provide it (even cops believe you have to provide it), but they commonly forget to tell cops in the academy that it’s merely a request.

The laws are pretty clear that if you are not driving a car on a public roadway or if you are not suspected of having committed, or are about to commit a crime, than you have no legal obligation to provide proof of identity to any government agent. Of course, that’s what the law says and there’s a difference from what the law says and what police want you to do. There are times where this works and people are free to go on their way. Yet, there are other times where you refuse to ID and you end up in a cage. So, don’t think these magic words work all the time. This is something that should keep you safe, but with the wrong jackboot thug asking the questions, it could put you in grave danger.

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That’s why it’s always important to have a camera rolling like Adam and his friends did. Thankfully, they only filmed a cop overstepping his bounds on identifying people and nothing more. I would have to say that the camera and lawyer friend on the phone probably kept this pig’s egregious actions at bay this time. Be sure to check out CopBlock.org’s “Film the Police” page for tips, tactics and ideas you can use during your police encounters or while out CopBlocking the police.

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Ademo Freeman

was born and raised in Wisconsin, traveled the country in a RV dubbed “MARV” and is an advocate of a voluntary society, where force is replaced with voluntary interactions. He’s partaken in projects such as, Motorhome Diaries, Liberty on Tour, Free Keene, Free Talk Live and is the Founder of CopBlock.org.
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  • ISIS is a hoax

    hey, the repo guy has a job to do and these ass clowns are keeping the guy from doing a job he has ever right to do.

  • Herbie Versmells

    Wow the content of this site just gets dumber and dumber. These people clearly caused this and are complete imbeciles. Ademo you suck.

  • RadicalDude

    You should definitely sue any cops involved in this incident as well as filing a restraining order against the abductor/kidnapper.

  • t

    RAD:

    Haha. For,what?

  • steve

    If ya can’t pay then the repo man comes to take the car back to the lienholder. Ya’ll made idiots of yourselves and took up space on this site.

  • JC

    Courage? Are you crazy? The repo guy is taking the vehicle because you are a deadbeat. York BS video meant absolutely nothing. Playing word games with a LEO doesn’t help your cause because you lost.

  • mobooz

    Snagged a screenshot this morning that gave me a chuckle, wasn’t sure where I should post it.

  • SineNomine

    What’s funny about a cop raping an unconscious colleague?

  • Scott

    You are right the repo man has a job to do. You are stopping him from his work! And The three that are acting like lawyers, because they read some police blog have Nothing to do with the neighbors car. Why get involved?? Your neighbor is wrong. He did not make payments on this car that he signed a contract to do. It looks to me they had it all worked out to video, and ask all the bar stool attorney Questions.

  • mobooz

    You don’t see it?

  • SineNomine

    I see it, I’m just messing with you. It is pretty funny, like seeing a “Ready for Hillary!” ad on a conservative blog or “Impeach Obama Now” at a left-wing site.

  • mobooz

    Okay, I thought maybe I had dreamed it. :D

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Yeah, this wasn’t the best. It’s where an adherence to a political ideology can take you, into nonsense just because a government official is involved.

    Real property secured through a contract to pay, all voluntarily by both parties; default on the payment and the real property reverts to the loan holder. I can understand the cop’s frustration.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    But word games would if he won? Wouldn’t they? The loss comes at the end, as does the win.

    One of the ways you really illustrate who you are is that you so often use the most extreme words to describe anyone not you.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    You know, both of you need an ass-whooping from your daddy. There is nothing funny about raping anyone, there’s nothing funny about beating someone to a bloody pulp, and there’s nothing funny about killing someone because you were afraid for your safety, or life, when you didn’t take the time to truly know your safety, or life, was in danger but ran with your pissing-in-your-pants fear.

  • Eric Lehman

    Pee Wee Herman apparently has a new career. For all Ya youngins , please google Pee Wee Herman

  • mobooz

    Are you messing with me, too?

  • RaymondbyEllis

    I’m an equal opportunity messer. You didn’t ask “you don’t see it?” to “What’s funny about a cop raping an unconscious colleague?”, did you?

    I added other circumstances because this preoccupation with females and rape excludes all the other things that happen to both sexes that are just as traumatic. I’ll give you one, male or female, sodomized, beaten, and your child killed all at the same time. What, the female hurts more?

  • mobooz

    So… You didn’t see it.

  • wakethefuckup

    Repo men are the scum from the corner of your mouth when you first wake up in the morning.

    I should know I’ve worked with/for a couple of them. Then I got smart and never turned back to legally(illegally) stealing cars for banks. Its all a scam from the start.

    They love using there not quite police powers to illegally trusspass on private property. But because there not actually cops they get away with it day in day out.

    I for one will never shead a tear for a repo man or a cop. They choose a job to screw others out of there money, property, liberty just for a pay check.

    But just like the Nazi’s and slave sellers, there just doing there jobs….

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    He openly admits, @mbooz, that he’s an EOM (Equal Opportunity Messer) Gotta give him credit for that. He’s also a cummu… nope used that one.. He’s a.. a… ummm. he’s a… tampon twirler! Yeah! Tampon twirler. That’s the ticket.

  • taxpayermoneygouingtotrolls

    Shut your shill mouth up. Put that copcock back in your mouth. Traitors like you will get your day at the end of a rope. Have a good day troll

  • copsuckerseverywhere

    Your a equal opportunity copsucker. White, black covered in shit. It don’t matter you’ll still suck it.

    #copsuckerlivesdontmatter

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Bless your heart.

  • noname

    please think of the youngins before you make a statement about Pee Wee Herman. :()

  • JCisGAYforPAY

    so you have proof that the repo guy was there on legitimate business? I guess you have the report that says which payments he missed and how many. or you’re just talking out of your ass like you usually do. do the world a favor, go to the Pacific and start swimming West, please don’t stop.

  • ymygody

    you must remember that those extreme words he uses rarely have more than three syllables. common knuckle dragger.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Nope. but I can take a stab. Do you mean the outrageous stupidity of the cop raping a cop? Stupidity can be hilarious, the results not so much.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Yet I will never suffer from toxic shock syndrome because I only twirl them. That ticket won’t get you next door even if you use Uber.
    Asswipe.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Tsk tsk tsk… You have to be more creative than calling me an asswipe. You’ve already used it on me, you nanny-poot (a term my son calls his sister when they goof around).

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Yes, what would we do without the innocent hearts to bless. They contribute so much to making us more human, as he did. Bless his heart.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Sarcasm noted. (Said with a wink and a nod)

  • RaymondbyEllis

    If they were five syllable words it would make no difference. It’s the words chosen.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    So never again call me a dickwad, or I’ll call you on your words to show what a dickwad you are.

    How creative do you want me to be?

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Shoot for “over the top” creative. But don’t have a stroke doing it. I kinda like having ya around.

    Oh, update on visiting your neck of the woods. It looks like around early to mid August, then it’s off to Las Wages for a long weekend. Can you recommend and GOOD hotels other than the usual Hyatt, Marriott and so on?

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Good, all I really had to do is make my reply one word “copsuckerseverywhere” (is that German?), says everything about him. Bless his little heart.

    (I have time to come up with a new profanity to call you, don’t I? I quit working well to the schedules of others over a decade ago…)

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Geez, no trigger alert? Micro-aggress much?

    My family has a gene clearly identified with causing strokes. My brother, the asshole, tested for it, and cleared, I, the better brother said fuck it. He’s such a woose (no love lost).

    My great-grandmother died from a stroke, my grandfather from a stoke, my father from a stoke, and my bio-mother had enough strokes for 5 or 6 people (but died from a brain tumor). Shit, you’re so heartless.

    I’ll look up hotels, but you have to give me what you’re looking for in a hotel, otherwise I’m wasting my time. I’ll even waste my time on B&Bs, but it’s still about what you want. And, no, there are no hotels that include hunting and fishing in Phoenix, it’s a metropolitan area of 4.5 million people. Fifty years ago maybe…

    I haven’t stayed in a hotel in Phoenix in 23 years, because, gee, I live here, and I’ve been married for 22 years… Do you think I spend my time in hotels here? What were you implying?

    You’re not a bad guy yourself, no matter what everyone else says about you. (See, still working on the profanity, just doing a workaround.)

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    No need for any B&Bs. Our offspring (ages 16 to 19) will be coming along so a hotel will fit our needs best. We tend to stay at higher-end hotels similar to Hyatt and Marriott, but I’d like something …different… Anything with local flair or definitively unique to Phoenix?

    And yes, I’m a heartless piece of ex-cop trash. LOL

  • NiteShade79

    According to law if the repo man is unable to secure the car and drive away with nobody in it he is unable to repo the car at that time. The person behind on their payments obviously knew this part of the law and prevented them from taking his car. While yes he is behind on his payments and in the wrong he is legally right.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Did I write ex-cop anywhere? Don’t blame your trashiness on your profession. Even though that’s meant in all fun, and you aren’t trashy, a profession doesn’t make us trashy, we make ourselves trashy. Put the blame where it lies.

    My wife is building a text of hotels in Phoenix that might be of interest. Now I have to admit I lied, I have been to hotels with just my wife in the last 22 years because we have children. But it was fun to go with “Do you think I spend my time in hotels here? What were you implying?” A character flaw over the little teasings of life.

    In Phoenix, we usually stay at the Pointe Tapitio. It had a 5 star restaurant at the top (the internet reviews are 3.5), the hotel is built up a mountain (Phoenix starts at about 1200 feet, add height and cragginess, voila, a mountain). The terrace of that restaurant has a superb view of the valley. In the summer the temp would be about 95 F at 21:00, but usually with a breeze.
    (Phoenicians usually go to hotels in the North during summer, the Hassayampa in Prescott is so much old Arizona, and the L’Auberge in Sedona, especially the cabins by Oak Creek, is beyond words. Flagstaff? Only the eating in the old part of town makes for a memorable visit.)

    Arizona is a young state, the last continental one, and prior to the 1950’s all the money was from copper, cotton, cattle, and citrus (I was raised in a family that revolved around produce but the best orange I have ever had in my life was a varietal from a farm in Mesa, and now lost,)

    But I’ll wait for my wife’s text.

  • t

    wake:
    Ok. But the repo man…like him or not….was still right and all of the juvenile acting kids in this video were wrong

  • Valocean J Byrd

    In this case, I don’t feel a bit of sympathy for them. They brought this harassment on themselves by not taking care of their responsibility to pay a note, which they willfully entered into under contractual agreement. Then when the bank or whoever wants their property back because these ass clowns didn’t pay, they want to act like children and not give it back. It’s not like they were minding their business and this cop shows up to harass them. So in this case, no I don’t support the citizen.

  • Valocean J Byrd

    The butthurt is strong with this one

  • mobooz

    I meant the photo I posted.

  • WD!

    One person owes for the car, the other people were not involved. Just because the cops are responding doesn’t mean they can detain anyone they feel like detaining.

  • WD!

    Why were they wrong? For recording from a safe distance? Other than the two In the car, who should have had to give ID and why?

  • DeadPigGoodPig

    good to know you have a weakness, a 16 year old and a 19 year old weakness. you better keep an eye on them Bravo. kids got a way losing skin really easy.

  • DeadPigGoodPig

    I don’t think he saw the police ad.

  • ymygody

    he doesn’t have the intelligence to use 5 syllable words. I’m not sure he understands that there is such a thing as a dictionary in existence.

  • Common Sense

    “You ain’t tak’n my fuck’n car ya revenuer!”

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    Do you know me? Nope . do you now where Im located? Nope. But you’ve crossed a line and i have shared this with a group of men and women who want to know you so much more. Enjoy your freedom while you can. Nice knowing ya. Lol

  • mobooz

    Guess not.

  • Valocean J Byrd

    A simple question, if it doesn’t involve you, then why the hell are you there injecting yourself into it. I could understand if life was in jeopardy or something like that. No she decided she wanted to stick her nose in it. He had a right to ask her identity. Don’t be naive, you and I both know not everyone on this planet is honest. I’ve seen people get caught red handed then claim they had nothing to do with it.

  • t

    The issue here….for me…is how did this get started?

    States differ about the rules for repo and towing in general.
    Mine has wording about without any disturbance of the peace (which is why they snatch and go.
    But once they hooked up…it’s theirs….which would out the guys inside the car in the wrong and make them subject to arrest for disturbing the peace.

    As for the camera woman….
    Just watch the video. The deputy never tried to get her to stop recording…just wants her to move back while he’s working at his legal duties.
    Her continued interference clearly delays him in the performance of those duties. Which would make her subject to possible arrest.

    Once they chose to involve themselves…they were involved. The officer needs to document everyone involved as there are frequent allegations of injuries and damage to property in this types of events.

    If she didn’t want to be involved….stand back in your own yard and record away.
    But she made the free will. Voice to get involved…and then followed the poor CBer advice to resist the police.

  • RadicalDude

    He may have a right to ask, but he has no right to assault her like that.

  • RadicalDude

    Criminal battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, stalking.

  • kpsmith

    Looks like a whole six pack of morons to me- the people who were at their neighbor’s house should have just left stuff alone and the cop only needed to make sure the repo people were allowed to do their job safely and then leave.

  • kpsmith

    So somebody held a gun to this guys head and made him sign the agreement that he will pay his car note?

  • kpsmith

    Dang I hate to agree with you

  • t

    RAD:
    But none of that happened

  • Pw4x3r

    “Get off my property or you’re getting cut into pieces immediately.” These are the words you use. Put the pig in his fucking place where he fucking belongs. “You are no mother fucking God, pig. Off my lawn or you are becoming tiny pieces, starting now.”

  • BL Smoothy

    In my opinion, this is just some white trash people who didn’t make their car payments and are getting it popped! They’re going out of their way to try and fuck with this cop and don’t even fully understand the law. GTFO

  • RaymondbyEllis

    No, it’s just 31B and me playing. We’re both working on the most nasty thing we can call each other. He may be winning…

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Didn’t see it, still don’t. At least not a police ad…

  • ShlomoShunn

    Learn to film so everything is vertical that should be.

  • ShlomoShunn

    > “Of course, that’s what the law says and there’s a difference from what the law says and what police want you to do. There are times where this works and people are free to go on their way. Yet, there are other times where you refuse to ID and you end up in a cage.”

    We don’t live in a perfect world. Maybe those folks were “right.” Still, was it worth it for them to be cuffed and prevented from filming the end-result of their protest?

  • ShlomoShunn

    And when the cop shoots them for threatening his life?

  • ShlomoShunn

    The friends probably got involved with good intentions.

    I hope they learned a lesson. It’s often wisest not to inject yourself into situations whose consequences you aren’t ready to accept.

    Gandhi, MLK, Mandela, etc. tried reforming things. They also accepted the price entailed.

    Few are ready to spend 23 in jail for principles. In most things I think it’s wisest to avoid incarceration. You might feel good for a moment until you realize few care about the pain you endure.

    Don’t join the military for “honor;” few will validate your choice. Most citizens don’t care about soldiers; they just want to feel safe. So enlist only as a career or for benefits.

    Similarly, don’t go to court expecting justice. You won’t get it. Go only if you think you can win…and either get money as an award or can afford to waste money on lawyers.

  • ShlomoShunn

    Germans were legally right per the Holocaust, too. Attendees at the Wannsee Conference were sticklers for it, legal-beagles all.

    Were they morally correct? Not so much.

  • ShlomoShunn

    > “There is nothing funny about raping anyone”

    Unless, of course it’s young boys raped by their female teachers.

    Or men being raped in prison.

    Then it’s okay to laugh…right?

  • ShlomoShunn

    Great points!

  • ShlomoShunn

    Because hurt butts are good, right?

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Nope. What’s even worse is when a 15 year old boy is seduced by an adult woman, and then has to pay child support for the outcome of her statutory rape (I kid you not, it’s happened). Notice, I used seduced, because not all boys believed they were raped, but the parents most often do, but legally the adult female knew she was raping.

    The ignored stats are male-on-male rape and female on anyone unless it comes up.

    When I wrote “There is nothing funny about raping anyone” why would you think that included exceptions?

  • RaymondbyEllis

    No, butthurt isn’t good. It’s an irrational response.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    I have my points and I make my points. This need to make the trauma of one sex so greater than what should be equal trauma across both sexes points to how the VIctorian view of the sexes keeps being used, now by the sex that suffered under it. If you say anything bad to me, any trigger, I may faint. What males can’t faint when bad things are said?

    But with every passing year, it gets a bit harder to make those points. At some point my line will cross t’s, if I live to be 100.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Just to come back because I’m so peevish. I said I like Puck, I said I’m puckish, and, just to add another word, mischievous. I can easily admit to be an EOM because what point puckish if not?

    It’s a male thing, if you bother to look up puckish. I do admit I’m running out of epithets, if only because I’m too short of playful ones. The Kotex moment, when did they start producing tampons?, was not bad, not bad at all. Did I just quote “Independence Day”?

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Of course he knows there’s such a thing as a dictionary. He uses one all the time. It’s unpublished, but the lexicographer is known to be Humpty Dumpty.

  • mobooz

    In the picture I posted? At the top of this thread? Where it reads, “Become a Police Officer?” Right beneath the Copblock banner? With the AdChoices logo on it? You really don’t see that?

  • RaymondbyEllis

    I thought of it in terms of the word you used “screenshot”. A police ad is what police do to advertise themselves to get recruits. Otherwise this is a police advert too because I call it such, and I do:

    Edit: changed one letter.

  • mobooz

    … Okaaayyy…

  • RaymondbyEllis

    What, you think it can’t draw young Americans to a life of serving others?

  • RaymondbyEllis

    I’ve chosen this spot to reply to your possible visit in August to Phoenix because some dickwad deleted the e-mail. I plead the 5th, but only to protect you.

    My wife gave: Pointe Tapitio Cliffs; Hermosa Inn; Royal Palms Inn; and The Boulders. In order: http://www.tapatiocliffshilton.com/; http://hermosainn.com/?gclid=CKyKwrW2_MUCFQeVfgodtzQAvg; http://www.royalpalmshotel.com/: and http://www.theboulders.com/. Now I, the piker, thought of the Adams downtown, ala the opening scene in Hitchcock’s “Psycho”, but that’s just a Marriot with the lovely name “Renaissance” as if you’ll meet Di Vinci and that guy that painted on his back (some damn chapel no one remembers).

    Good hunting.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Yep, legal is one thing, moral and ethical is another.

    But you come, like I, from a country that made legal justification for apartheid. We did it before the SA, and we did it longer. All with the imprimatur of SCOTUS.

    The stain on our country isn’t slavery, it’s what we did after we ended it. And we are still paying for it, and by that I’m only addressing the racist yahoos. I’m not addressing how we claimed ourselves a bastion of democracy and civil liberties at the start of WWII. I’m not claiming anything about the Japanese-Americans, or the German-Americans, nor the Italian-Americans. I’m only pointing out that the European nations knew better, they knew we were fucking hypocrites, but had to swallow our hypocrisy to survive.

    Two nations practiced apartheid, as best I can tell. One was South Africa.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Shlomo,

    Ghandi, MLK, and Mandela paid a price, but they did make change. They, as did their followers, accepted the price. They accepted the price, and that’s why they are different from the rest of us. They endured the pain while knowing how few cared. The few that did care was enough,

    “Don’t join the military for “honor;” few will validate your choice. Most citizens don’t care about soldiers; they just want to feel safe. So enlist only as a career or for benefits.” But the people that you live with in the military do care about “honor”, some may have a sick meaning of “honor”, some may think “honor” is shame-honor not guilt-honor, but overall the military does know what honor is, and to a higher degree than an everyday citizen.

    I was in the USCG in the 70s, when it was under the DoT, passed from the Treasury. SAR was our primary mission, and it swamped any other mission, our purpose was to save lives. That was our honor and our integrity. Today, the USCG under Homeland Security is a law enforcement military, SAR is barely mentioned as a goal. If I were 19 today, I would join the Marines because without SAR the USCG is just an understaffed, poorly equipped Navy of bounty hunters without the honor of the Marines. Coast Guard honor was one mission, SAR, , Marine honor was another, War.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Hey, he only masturbated at a porno store. There’s no evidence that he was a threat to the youngins when he was only doing what youngins do, venue no matter (most youngins can’t do what he did at a porno store, because most youngins are too young to be in the store but they do very well at expressing themselves elsewhere).

  • RaymondbyEllis

    Yep, a stopped clock is right twice a day. This is one of those two times for him, the other was probably wasted at breakfast.

  • RaymondbyEllis

    How else do you buy a car?

    Just joking. When you buy cars through a loan, the guy loaning you money is taking a greater chance than you are. Three months later, the guy that gave you the loan is dealing with a loss if you forfeit.

  • Niemand_Binich

    If the two in the vehicle no longer had any legal right to it and will not allow the legal owner or his agent to take lawful possession of the property, they should have been arrested for UUMV.

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