An Open Letter to Cops, Their Families, and the Average Statist

(Recently, Sean N. Gruber, the Author of this Article – had a close family member targeted for both Physical/Actual and Social Media intimidation, by the Nye County Sheriff’s Office and their supporters, over a Facebook post [“Always nice to wake up to good news. One less tyrant in, NV.”] commenting on an incident in which a Reno, NV area police officer was killed on duty. That targeting ultimately resulted in that family member being fired from a casino job in Las Vegas. In addition, Sean himself was visited by detectives with the LVMPD after a similar post on Facebook about a year ago.

Yeah, the “people” that work for the Sheriff’s Department are calling around asking questions and insinuating a “reprisal.” One might ask, “A reprisal for what? But then one would have to be far more rational than the Nye Sheriff, to get the answer to that.

The following editorial, written in response to those intimidation tactics, represents Sean N. Gruber’s opinion on the subject and no one else’s.)

On August, 15th 2015, Carson City, Nevada, Sheriff’s Deputy, Carl Howell was shot and killed while responding to a “Domestic Disturbance” call. The “Suspect” (isn’t it funny how the language has been manipulated to “help” you decide who the “good guy” and who the “bad guy” is?) also succumbed to gun shot wounds inflicted at the scene. Immediately, before anyone knew anything about the facts of the case, a certain segment of the population had already taken a side.

Carson City Deputy FuneralNot surprisingly, that segment is comprised of cops, their families, and the average Statist walking the street, who won’t even consider the idea that, sometimes, cops NEED to get shot! “He was a hero,” they’ll say. And if one says something to the contrary of this brainwashed, state worship, non-think, it might cost them their job, freedom, or life.

Imagine the flag draped coffin and the sad bag pipe music. Imagine the bereavement badge icon on Facebook. The cute little, “my husband is a cop” thin blue line meme’s and don’t forget the “They risk their lives for YOU everyday, to protect our community(!)” propaganda. (Sorry if I am making my fellow Cop Blockers sick – but I’ve had to see a whole lot of this over the last few days and I thought maybe you should be reminded of how nauseating it can become.)

To you cops, their families, and the average Statist walking the street, who won’t even consider the idea, that sometimes, cops NEED, to get shot. No you/they don’t, “risk their lives for us everyday.” They steal (traffic tickets, asset forfeiture, etc.), they kidnap (drug arrests, traffic violation arrests, no permit for a concealed firearm, illegally collecting rainwater, etc.), and they kill (the final result for anyone who resists the before mentioned, or who is mentally ill, homeless, disrespectful or just stupid enough to not realize how dangerous you people actually are) for a paycheck, everyday!

banner copblock twitterNotice to all the cops, their families and the average Statist walking the street, who won’t even consider the idea, that sometimes cops NEED to get shot, there are now two sides in this Country. And I’m on the side that is going to assume the cop DID have it coming, and the “Suspect” didn’t. I don’t consider this ideal. And WE didn’t cause this situation. The “police” in this Country enforce the “Law.” Whether that “law” is just or not. They are actually proud of this. “If you don’t like the law, change it” you say. Well, yes, we’ve tried that.

And if the stifling of any potential third party proves nothing else – it is that the status quo and the powers that be aren’t very receptive to the idea of ANYTHING changing. And accordingly, the enforcers of “laws” that violate and injure human beings are going to be given no more moral “get out of jail free” cards. We don’t want to hear your “peace officer” shit – because if that was ever true – which I am starting to sincerely doubt, it isn’t anymore.

Police StateYou are the enforcers of our, would be masters’, dictates. You are the “Standing Army” The Founders of this Country warned us against. You are “Red Coats” and your supporters are “Loyalists.” And you are all going to remember the lesson of Nuremberg if you don’t change your course of action, quickly. (Since I know educated people don’t generally become “police officers” or cops’ wives, I’ll remind you here that the lesson of Nuremberg was and is: “I was only following orders” doesn’t save one from the gallows.)

You’ve lost the benefit of the doubt. You’ve shot enough dogs. You’ve shot enough un-armed people, and choked a man to death over a cigarette tax. We know about Kelly Thomas. We know about Erik Scott. We remember you circling round and round Rodney King with night sticks. We’ve seen the videos. We’ve watched you assault people that caught you on video, assaulting OTHER people, and then try to cover your asses, by breaking someone’s cell phone or camera and then compound your criminality even further, by attempting to charge the video maker with some “crime.”

You’ve LOST the benefit of the doubt, and I’m not sure you should have ever had it. And I’ll tell you “Law Enforcement Agents” (< remember: “Political speech is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable.” –George Orwell) you don’t help the case that you try to make, that you “are heros who protect man’s rights” when you GO AFTER people who speak out against you.

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You want to get us fired from our jobs? You want to smear our names on the internet? You want to make memes showing our address? You go after the EMPLOYER of the persons who speak against you? You attempt to harass and intimidate a Corporation – who pretty much has to be “politically correct”- into taking away your opponents very means of making a living? Fuck You! Do I not show enough tact over your “fallen brethren?” Did I not show sympathy? Well, Goddamned Skippy! And we DIDN’T get to that place in a vacuum.

I’ve been witness to a person be ROBBED, literally, by a cop. But there was nothing I could do. If I would have come to his aid, despite my skill with firearms and the fact that I was armed, eventually I’d’ve died and you would have quickly used the same language that I described at the beginning of this article to convince the Knavish, Yapping Little Dogs that the Corporate Media are, into convincing everyone else, that I deserved it.

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The only little yappy dogs you don’t like to shoot, it seems, are the one’s that do your bidding. And unfortunately those yappy dogs aren’t some poor individual’s beloved pet. In short, you’ve acted like a privileged, “Samurai Class” for too long and the “system” has done little to nothing to stop it. We’ve observed the scare tactics and outright intimidation methods you use on anyone foolish enough to go through your “proper channels” to try and do something about your abuses and we’ve had enough of it!

So, again and finally, in conclusion, we aren’t sorry when you get hurt or killed “in the line” of what you imagine to be “your duty.” (Author’s note: I’m a thinker, a writer, a radio host. That’s what I do for a living (not that I make a good one). I’m nothing more, so if you decide to target me with violence, you should know, you do nothing but prove my points.)

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  • Yodapop

    Apologists in 5….4….3…2…
    (JC, little t …oh, wherefore art thou??)

  • Yodapop

    Apologists in 5….4….3…2…
    (JC, little t …oh, wherefore art thou??)

  • mobooz
  • mobooz
  • t

    Wow.
    Guess what guy….juries side with cops all
    The time when the thugs we are dealing with get killed. No body cares about you. Sorry if that hurts.

    Funny…you seemed to miss the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS that will turn out for that officers funeral. Peacefully appreciating a hero.

    And it infuriates you all so.

  • JC

    Another complete bullshit story on copblock. The authors are getting more fucked up every story.

  • Theron Heideman
  • Theron Heideman
  • MrEFQ

    Did this story have a lot of repeating parts or did this story have a lot of repeating parts?

  • t

    “Larkin Rose”
    That part makes the other part impossible

  • ZeroGov

    Thank you, Mr. Gruber for a well-written and thoughtful letter to the sleeping Helots. Coproaches are the pointy end of all politics and what the thin black and blue line is coy about is just how safe their jobs are.

    Stand by for the police sycophants, apologists and boot-lickers to come out of the woodwork in the comments.

    For every cop killed in the “line of duty”, they murder 30 civilians. See the following sources one of which is the pathetic ODMP (a police apologist site where the killed officers include 2x badged dogs [oi, the irony]). That’s right, they list four legged cops in their stats but those stats relate approx 24 less the 2 K9 heroes. Yet millions of packages delivered everyday by UPS, FEDEX and USPS and no dogs wounded or killed but get a dog in front of these badged psychopathic heroes and their first instinct is killing.

    The coproach infestation in America is a murderous trade. While as of today, 761 civilians are reported dead at the hands of mostly obese and cowardly cops.

    See: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

    See: https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2015?ref=sidebar

    Fattest profession in USSA: http://time.com/3637967/police-officers-fattest-profession-study/

    I’m amused when the poor darlings say they’re overweight not because of indiscipline of their pie-holes and inherent laziness but stress. If that were the case, why aren’t soldiers in combat zones blimps?

    I would suggest to you that the 761 number is a low number due to mis-, under- and non-reporting of civilian deaths at the hands of the cops. But that number is four times the previous estimates and it takes a UK newspaper to report the number b/c the Feds certainly won’t report it or track it. This number also doesn’t reflect the inmates maimed and killed in the massive gulag system in America. The numbers would probably swell considerably and keep in mind most of those caged are non-violent offenders.

    I do find it ironic that the police use the Nuremberg defense for everything they do.

    The cops are the standing army the Anti-Federalists warned us about.

    And so expect to be harassed by them for speaking out against their immorality, slavish devotion to politicians and an increasingly violent penchant in everything they do in pursuit oif enforcement of malum prohibitum laws.

    In the end no political bad actor could rob a single person of their freedom and liberty absent the police enforcement mechanism. Absent hitting, stealing & kidnapping and initiating and practicing violence, how could a cop get anything done?

    Isn’t it amusing that the PoliceOne site closed comments to the public in February of this year? They did so b/c the sociopaths showed their true colors time and again in the comments in just how low regard they held the Helots they famously “serve and protect” the f**k out of.

    Robert Higgs puts the point brilliantly that a good cop is impossible.

    “The whole Good Cop / Bad Cop question can be disposed of much more decisively. We need not enumerate what proportion of cops appears to be good or listen to someone’s anecdote about his uncle Charlie, an allegedly good cop.

    We need only consider the following:

    (1) A cop’s job is to enforce the laws, all of them;

    (2) Many of the laws are manifestly unjust, and some are even cruel and wicked;

    (3) Therefore every cop has to agree to act as an enforcer for laws that are manifestly unjust or even cruel and wicked.”

    “There are no good cops.”

    Watch your six.

  • Cato

    you have a very limited thinking prosses. THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS turned out at nazi funerals in Germany, to peacefully appreciate Heros too. Hundreds of thousands turned out at Stalins funeral and more at chairman Maos funeral. What Heros they were, oh wait, no they were shit bags that should have been hung by the same deluded people that showed up to honor them at their funerals. But all those deluded assholes that did the biding of people like Stalin and Mao loved their Heros too, just like you!!

  • DeadPigGoodPig

    I’m beginning to believe you don’t understand with the word bullshit means. That would be one more word to add in that long list of words you have no idea what the definition is.

  • Cato

    The well kept slave always supports his master and has not the mental faculties to ever think his master is anything but good. After all, how dare a slave every resent being inslaved or hate the overseer who beats him. Right?

  • DeadPigGoodPig

    The only good pig is a dead pig, may their slaughter be slow and filled with agony.

  • DeadPigGoodPig

    The only good pig is a dead pig, may their slaughter be slow and filled with agony.

  • Peter Lemonjello

    Power fundamentally alters perception. Put a badge on someone, give them a fair amount of authority and watch what happens to the badged person. he changes, he becomes a sadist, loses his humanity… And abuses his power! Power corrupts, absolute power cops absolutely.

    Checkout “The Stanford Prison Experiment”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/an-important-but-rarely-discussed-lesson-of-the-stanford-prison-experiment/

    Also checkout, “The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil” on youtube. It’s a speech given by the man who conducted the Stanford Prison Experiment. Very interesting to say the least.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc_e9M8M-RU

  • disqus_Oz92oxXWiZ

    Dont talk about it be about it

  • disqus_Oz92oxXWiZ

    Dont talk about it be about it

  • Peter Lemonjello

    Haha, u mad! Get this fool some tissue, he’s about ready to cry. ROFL!

  • DeadPigGoodPig

    Lone wolves can only slaughter 10 or less. Make your move when you can kill thousands.

  • Common Sense

    Someone didn’t give little Johnny a hug when he was young….or maybe it was too many hugs.

  • Common Sense

    Someone didn’t give little Johnny a hug when he was young….or maybe it was too many hugs.

  • t

    You guys and Nazis. Obsess much?

    Just infuriates you. :)

  • Pw4x3r

    LOL!!!!!!!!!! QQ Some more, you little bitch!!!! HAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pw4x3r

    LOL!!! Truly hilarious. The fucking idiots have no idea.

  • Crazytrain

    Funny. “You want to smear our names, make us lose our jobs, post our addresses!?”
    Hey Kettle, you’re black- signed, Pot.
    I have never seen anyone do more personal attacks, doxing, and name calling than on this site. This article is just another example, rife with insults and the rote list of social media’s most important martyrs, most of whom, no one would ever give half a shit about had they been killed by any other means than a cop.
    The whole goal of this place is not to hold cops accountable, or make cops better, it is to make cops lose their jobs, or defame them. Nothing gives copblockers more glee than to see yet another unarmed person shot, just so they can post a “I am here to shoot the unarmed person” meme.
    So sorry your cousin lost his job, but when someone makes juvenile and less than human comments like that, responsible companies may just decide to fire them, and that goes for any cop dumb and heartless enough to relish in anyone’s death. Maybe he will learn not to be stupid, or be more careful about his ignorance if he finds another job.

  • Crazytrain

    “Make sure you don’t forget to contact those within the Las Vegas City Government to let them know what you think of these marshals parking illegally blocking the handicapped parking space in a public park and then saying that that’s just “how it goes” if a disabled person comes along and needs to park.”
    This is followed by the LVSD phone numbers, website, and city manager’s office.
    I certainly would be disgusted with any officer that would block a handicap spot unless they were on a call, but this was the very next article I read, and it just happens to have contact information to try and get the cop in trouble. So blocking a parking spot while on a call, versus cheering the death of a cop responding to a domestic-Hmm, not sure which one is more reprehensible.

  • jonn

    And yet here you are, again, like a case of the clap, you keep coming back!

  • Common Sense

    Larkin just wants someone to pay his taxes for him. Nothing more.

  • Yodapop

    What infuriates you, little t, is this …..you know what Cato said is true. And there is no way in hell you can deny it.

  • Yodapop

    Any five-year old child knows that if you put ten marbles into a tin can, you can only take ten marbles back out. No amount of wishful thinking, dreaming, or praying, will yield that eleventh marble from inside that can. That eleventh marble does not exist. It never did, and it never will. All discussions about the eleventh marble are the product of imagination. The eleventh marble is a fantasy.

    Private central bankers issuing the public currency as interest-bearing loans operate on the belief that they can put ten marbles (dollars) into a tin can (the world) and magically get 11 marbles (dollars) back out. Thus, we may conclude that the bankers are dumber than five-year old children! But unlike five-year old children, the bankers will take your home, your business, and your nation when they don’t get that eleventh marble! The spoiled child may cry and throw a tantrum, but that will be the end of their upset. The spoiled banker, however, in his or her arrogant rage that they cannot have the eleventh marble their imagination says must still be in that tin can, may start a war before they will admit that eleventh marble was never really there.

    Economies are like tin cans. Before you can take a marble out, you must have put a marble in. Nobody can give you a marble that does not exist, yet this simple reality is lost to the priests of that fantastic religion called “economics” in that unholiest of temples called the Private Central Bank. Their religious doctrine seems to be that there must always be an eleventh marble inside the tin can, and that the tin can unfairly withholds that eleventh marble, indeed cheats them of their right to the eleventh marble, purely out of spite. That faith in the existence of the eleventh marble, unseen and improvable, is the article of faith the religion of banking rests on. It is far easier to burn the heretics than to question the dogma.

    Today we see the bankers, having already retrieved their ten marbles from the tin can, flogging the world for that missing eleventh marble. Greece does not have that eleventh marble, so they turn to Germany and ask, “Do you have an eleventh marble”, and Germany replies, “Sorry, but the bankers already took the ten marbles they put in our tin can, and we are searching for an eleventh marble ourselves. Try the Americans.” The Americans, of course, have only just surrendered the last of their ten marbles back to the bankers and are looking under seat cushions for that missing eleventh marble nobody seems able to find.

    But the eleventh marble will never be found. After all that mayhem brought down on the tin can there still will be no eleventh marble. It does not exist. It never did, and it never will.

    The problem with all modern reserve banking systems is that the moment the first bank note goes into circulation as the proceed of a loan at interest, more money is owed to the banks than actually exists. Ten marbles have been put into the tin can, but the bankers see 11 marbles owed back to them. Sooner or later the non-existence of that eleventh marble will create a crisis of faith. People will stop believing in the religion called private central banking, and that crisis of faith will bring the system crashing down, as did the Temple of Baal in ancient times when the Syrians saw through the priests’ trickery. This evil magic of creating money out of debt was a fraud all along, as fraudulent and silly as the idea that one can put ten marbles into a tin can, and take out eleven.

    In ages to come economists will look back at this failed experiment in debt-based currency, and dump it into the same category of human folly as Tulip mania, The Nation of Poyais, Credit Mobilier, the Great South Seas Company, and Mortgage-Backed Securities.

  • Cato

    Yes Nazis, In world war 2 movies, when a nazi would stop a person on a side walk for no reason and ask, papers please and ask them questions like where are you going and where have you been, we used to recagnize that as evil and counter to freedom. Now police do this everyday and people like you think it’s great. What infuriates you is that the nazi comparison is so similar to your cop Heros. What infuriates me is that people like you have such a closed mind and cowardly nature that you won’t even consider the truth of what is happening.
    That truth is that your Heros have the safest job in the world. OSHA statistics show less cops die every year than in any other adult job. This year (2015) the officer down memorial lists 79 deaths of officers in “the line of duty” of that 13 died of heart attacks, 1 fell buy accident off a curb walking down the street. 2 died from accidentally shorting themselves. That leaves 63 and several of the 63 are questionable if died in “the line of duty” is really how they died. Like 18 that died in non persuit related auto accidents. To count heart attacks as line of duty? Like cops are the only people who have heart attacks at work? Tripping and falling over your own feet is death in the line of duty? We should honor a cop who is so stupid he accidentally shoots him self? How is he a hero? OSHA statistics show that kids delivering news papers have more reported injuries than cops and more construction workers are killed on the job than cops. Are we suppose to believe that gang bangers are throwing heart attacks at cops. Infuriated? Yes I suppose I am but only because so many of my countrymen are so ignorant of facts and blind to the truth.

  • t

    “Movies”

    ‘Nuf said

  • t

    CS:
    Yep. And Yoda here wants the same

  • t

    CS:
    Yep. And Yoda here wants the same

  • t

    pop:
    Ah….yeah….NOPE.

    You see. I thing like anything you’ve said going on anywhere in this country.

    On yours…and his…closed mind thinking, all you can see is YOU
    I don’t get to do that. I’m sworn to protect loved and property…and EVERYONES rigths…not JUST YOURS.

    It’s kinda like the fundamental inability for CBer types to get about why the Constitutuon was written, and what it created. It created GOVERNMENT. Plain and simple. While the Bill of Rights was added (thankfully) to it…they were AMENDMENTS to the original document…because the document was about CREATING GOVERNMENT

    Now…with that understanding in mind:
    The police swing suspicious behavior and investigating it is what our job is. It’s what we are asked to do. Sorry if that infuriates you…but truth is what truth is.

    Now…about your Nazi nonsense.
    At a realistic ratio of 1 officer for every 8000-10,000 people in. iTunes onost given nights…that’s hardly an army.
    Heck…the very existence of sites like this one destroy your ideas as it would
    Never be allowed in a “police state”

    As for the “danger aspect”
    Like I’ve asked everyone who is silly like you…how many of those paper boys are muredrred because they are paperboys?

  • t

    pop:
    Ah….yeah….NOPE.

    You see. I thing like anything you’ve said going on anywhere in this country.

    On yours…and his…closed mind thinking, all you can see is YOU
    I don’t get to do that. I’m sworn to protect loved and property…and EVERYONES rigths…not JUST YOURS.

    It’s kinda like the fundamental inability for CBer types to get about why the Constitutuon was written, and what it created. It created GOVERNMENT. Plain and simple. While the Bill of Rights was added (thankfully) to it…they were AMENDMENTS to the original document…because the document was about CREATING GOVERNMENT

    Now…with that understanding in mind:
    The police swing suspicious behavior and investigating it is what our job is. It’s what we are asked to do. Sorry if that infuriates you…but truth is what truth is.

    Now…about your Nazi nonsense.
    At a realistic ratio of 1 officer for every 8000-10,000 people in. iTunes onost given nights…that’s hardly an army.
    Heck…the very existence of sites like this one destroy your ideas as it would
    Never be allowed in a “police state”

    As for the “danger aspect”
    Like I’ve asked everyone who is silly like you…how many of those paper boys are muredrred because they are paperboys?

  • Cato

    I used movies as a point of illustration. Sad that I have to explain that to you. I can only imagine that you are saying that the nazis didnt do what I said and that you can’t trust a movie depiction. Sorry to say that the accounts of people living in Germany at that time would give a much more graphic disscription of the police state than the movies made about it. We have our own developing police state right here at home and sad small mined people like you can proudly say your doing your part to help it grow. 60 or 70 years from now when movies are made about the police state you helped build Im sure there will be some misguided person or mental deficient that will call you “hero”for all the times you violated someone’s rights and stood by while the other “Heros” harassed and murdered your fellow country man. I’m sure they will tell others, oh it’s just a movie. Several organizations tried to discredit the validity of the movie Schindlers list. Art imitates life. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that. People like you ( in France in the 1790s) were so happy to follow the the orders of and enforce the laws handed down by Maximilien Robespierre after all it was the law and they were just following orders. It so nice to know how you’ll be remembered isn’t it?

  • Cato

    Your so mad you can’t even make sense! I am not thinking of me, I am thinking of everyone. The only way you can protect an individual right is by protecting the individual’s rights. That’s one person at a time. Like the one you are dealing with at that moment. If you start to think the way you just stated that you do, then it’s like your talking about group rights like a collective and that is a dangerous concept. And yes the constitution outlined and created government but it out lined it to limit government. It was intended to shackle government. You failed to see that part. You said the police see suspicious behavior and investigate it, that’s your job.
    The only problem is the police version of suspicious behavior is very different from what it should be. A man behind a store at 3:00 AM with a mask and a crowbar is suspicious. A person walking down the street on a public side walk is not, but people are stopped every day doing nothing more than walking down the side walk. A person being nervous when pulled over is not suspicious and yet cops try to search cars with out warrants everyday based on nothing more. That is a violation of there rights and when that happens the cop is commiting a crime. Yes that’s right that makes the cop a criminal!
    As for your silly point of how many paper boys are killed because they are paper boys. Though some paper boys have been killed because a customer did not like them, paper boys aren’t in a position to violate people’s rights like cops are. Maybe you should start asking what cops have done to make people so ready to do them harm. I completely acknowledge that some cops are unjustly killed by real criminals. But you should consider that in the last 2 years 1,700 people were unjustly killed by cops. All the 1,700 case were adjudicated or ruled by internal investigation to have been wrongful and only a handful of the police responsible even lost their jobs and almost none went to jail. Ask again why people are angree.

  • Cato

    By the way the ratio of police in this county is much higher than you stated, its not 1 for every 8,000-10,000 the ratio in Chicago is 44 for every 10,000 about 12,800 cops in Chicago and in most small towns between reserves and full time it’s 18 to every 10,000. The Germans used 15,000 to occupie Paris in ww2 so it’s really about the same. The police in Berlin used only 12,000 to keep Berlin under control so yes it really is comparable. The police in Berlin if they had real trouble could call in the army for help just as police here can call in help from other agency’s and the national gaurd. So your point is pointless.
    As for this site not being aloud if this was a police state, you really need to understand how police states start and what they are. The Iranian government tolerated political descent on Twitter, until the people there used Twitter to stage an uprising and only fool would say that Iran was not a police state.
    Please go read (the gulag archipelago) then come back and have this discution, it will give a much better idea of what I’m talking about, and yes the book is a true story about real events.

  • Yodapop

    Your problem is you do not understand a simple, straightforward explanation. In other words…you can’t handle the truth. Being much older than you, I have, and continue, to pay my fair share of the unfair taxes thrust upon me by proletariat government control. Of which, if you work for said same and glorify your work, bleating forth “it’s just my job”, you most definitely fall into the category of one of the sheep in the herd. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. You forgot.

  • Yodapop

    That is your problem, not accepting the truth of the matter. Your little diatribe (go ahead, look it up…I know you need to) is what makes no sense, you are no constitutional scholar, and you most definitely do not protect my rights, nor everyone else’s. Even if you WERE a revenue collector, you would only protect your own and your overseer’s, not the public…problem is…we pay you, IF, in fact (you have never shown proof) you “work” in, or as, some sort of revenue collector. Why we do, is very hard to fathom.
    Now, about your nonsense…..as realistic as it gets, the only thing you do is regurgitate untruths and bleat forth “only doing the job”….as I said below…those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. You are one who has forgotten.
    Cato’s comments are spot on…and he is right…you are so mad,furious,and out of control you do not make sense…actually, you never did.
    By the way…how is that “file” coming along? ROFLMAO!!

  • Yodapop

    That is your problem, not accepting the truth of the matter. Your little diatribe (go ahead, look it up…I know you need to) is what makes no sense, you are no constitutional scholar, and you most definitely do not protect my rights, nor everyone else’s. Even if you WERE a revenue collector, you would only protect your own and your overseer’s, not the public…problem is…we pay you, IF, in fact (you have never shown proof) you “work” in, or as, some sort of revenue collector. Why we do, is very hard to fathom.
    Now, about your nonsense…..as realistic as it gets, the only thing you do is regurgitate untruths and bleat forth “only doing the job”….as I said below…those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. You are one who has forgotten.
    Cato’s comments are spot on…and he is right…you are so mad,furious,and out of control you do not make sense…actually, you never did.
    By the way…how is that “file” coming along? ROFLMAO!!

  • Cato

    Thank you Sir.

  • Cato

    No one here wants anyone to pay their taxes for them! Can you really be this dense?

  • Cato

    People personally attack you and insult you because your conduct shows that you have it coming. Yes you and your fellow brothers in blue deserve the insults! You could stop nearly all the unjustified violence if you had the courage to do so. You could stop nearly all the misconduct if you wanted to. You could stop the enforcement of any unjust law if cared enough to educate your self. You could stop police harassment if you didn’t like doing it. Yes you have deserve all the insults you get.
    Your right about, that know one would give a shit about the people cops kill if they had died any other way than by a cop, of course no one would care if they died in a auto accident or of old age, but that’s not how they died. They were murdered by those that are entrusted to protect and serve! In case you don’t get it, that’s a big deal. (You showed a lot about yourself with that comment by the way) one of your brothers in Albuquerque bragged to his brothers about how he was going to kill a homeless man and then he did it in front of five of them and not one of them told the truth about it after and more importantly not one of them tried to stop him from doing it or arrested him after they saw it happen. None of this is isolated to one case, just google homeless man killed by cops and you’ll get more hits than you can count and that is just the tip of the iceberg. This type of behavior is institutionalized. Yes every time this happens cops need to be fired and jailed or face the death penalty if applicable in that state and every cop that stood by while it happened should be fired not given payed leave or suspension! So yes the goal is to get cops fired!
    This site points out every time a cop shoots an unarmed person and no there is no “glee” in it happening or pointing it out, it’s a call for justice and for people to wake up and see what’s happening because it is us being harassed, beaten, and murdered by you cops. Yes for all these reasons you have earned every insult. If you know a law is wrong then refuse to enforce it! Educated yourself so you can see right from wrong, until you do that, you deserve every insult.
    Every time you ask for someone’s I’d when it’s really not a legal terry stop, you violate that persons most fundamental right to privacy and not to be harassed. (that’s a crime by the way) every time you watch one of your brothers do this to some one, you earn the insults you receive. Every time you tell some one to stop recording you, you earn the insults you get. When you lie and tell someone it’s illegal to record you and if they don’t stop you will arrest them, you earn the insults. Every time you arrest a citizen to cover up your own wrongdoing or you arrest because you are pissed off, that is how all of you have earned the insults you hear.

    As for this mans cousin and the cops calling his employer when no crime was committed. No cop has any right to call or talk to any ones employer unless they are directly investigating a crime that the employer could reasonably be expected to have information about! These cops contacted his employer in an attempt to get him fired because they didn’t like what he wrote. So by your logic, the cops can seek vengeance when we the people make them angree. (That’s against the law by the way) this is why you and your brothers in blue have earned every nasty comment, every insult and the contempt of a large portion of the public.

  • t

    Cato:
    Wow. BIG nope.
    Ratios of officer per citizens are a simple math problem…when seen by the simple minded (that’d be you in this case)

    Taking the TOTAL number of residents and divide in the TOTAL number of officers…gives you the number you are thinking of.

    What I’m talking about is the reality number. Setting aside the idea of Admin., investigators, and various support personnel and special units [ all of which would strip away 30% or so of the officers from the total ] lets just look at the patrol officers.
    For ease of your understanding…lets say the patrol,division has 100 officers. Now…you can’t simply say divide the 100,000 residents by 100 officers and say that that is the right ratio…..because you are missing a lot of info.
    All 100 officers aren’t working all the time. You have to factor in work shifts. If the PD runs 4 shifts….now your 100 officers is only 25. If there are 5 shifts…20.
    So immediately…with no other input…it goes from 1-1000 to 1-5000. When you add in illness/injuries, vacation, training….the ratio changes even more.

    See how that works in real life?

    As for your thinking only of self. Dude…that’s clearly all you are about..
    While I don’t like commingling the documents…lets look at the Decralation of Independance for a second…as it predates the Constitution…but lays out a similar thinking line.
    Life, Lberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. A great ideal. A tough practicality. The same goes with the Bill of Rights. Lots of natural conflicts in everyone’s “rights”. Where do yours stop and mine begin? For freedom of speech versus my right to not have to listen to you? That very simple argument is where the police live and work. And that’s why the Constituion…created GOVERNMENT and it empowered that govern,net with the abilitity/responsibility to pass laws…and to maintain public order. That’s why in the first Amendment…there exists language about “peaceable assembly” and the ability to seek redress for wrong through the courts. The republic they created isn’t a mob rule. It’s about a system based on law.
    laws that can protect you or protect others from you.

  • t

    pop:
    I never claimed to be a Constitutional scholar.

    I don’t have to be to know what the documents says.

    But funny you should bring it up. I called in to a radio show that had a self educated and self described Constitutional,expert the other day. I’ve call this guy before and was surprised that he took my call.
    It took but a few minutes for me to isolate his ideas….he want to bend in the Dec. of Ind. and other writings to make his point…when it fit his ideas. But then wanted to ignore those things when it wasn’t comfortable.
    A good example of it was his thinking about the 2nd amendment. He brought in all kinds of things…but then couldn’t get past that everything he said destroyed his ideas. It was fun.

  • Yodapop

    Yet look at your post on the Constitution. No discussion. Period. You have no idea what it says, basically. Kind of like the Obama admin…but you work for them,don’t you…..where is the recording of that “radio show” beat down? You do know they record all that, correct? I don’t believe you unless you have a link…that is yours and JC’s battle cry…even when provided with a link you won’t believe it, and has been proven you won’t, you shill…until you show a link, I shall now knight you a perfect lying troll bastard, and shall not have any faith in whatever you say…as if I ever did…..LOL!!
    You never stick with the subject, and in your “story”, sounds to me you do the same thing…”wanted to ignore those things when it wasn’t comfortable. …..couldn’t get past that everything he said destroyed his ideas”…..yes…you do exactly that. BAM! Bent you over again, you infuriated fu**….. I know you.

  • ViperSpec

    Sean gruber you are an idiot I can guarantee your name is well known around the SNCTC and metro circles. You’re the one who talks shít about cops should be shot but then when said cops makes a visit to your house and asks you to clerify your comments you suddenly back peddle and say you don’t feel that way. Your are a coward Sean and you live a miserable and meaningless life. The only power you have is the pen and even that’s weak.

  • ViperSpec

    Sean gruber you are an idiot I can guarantee your name is well known around the SNCTC and metro circles. You’re the one who talks shít about cops should be shot but then when said cops makes a visit to your house and asks you to clerify your comments you suddenly back peddle and say you don’t feel that way. Your are a coward Sean and you live a miserable and meaningless life. The only power you have is the pen and even that’s weak.

  • Cato

    WOW you missed the point again! The numbers I gave are from public records and historical date. I’m sure that the numbers I gave for Berlin and Paris in ww2 break down just the same as you pointed out and they maintained a police state with numbers nearly identical to yours, broken down just as your numbers broke down. I know you think you some how disproved my point but all you did was was make yourself look ignorant. The fact that you called me small minded after you did nothing to actually dispute my numbers and then acted like you accomplished something proves you really are ignorant. ( ignorant by the way means you don’t know something not that your stupid, so it’s not an insult) you become stupid when you refuse to learn or prove yourself incapable of learning.
    That’s how it works in real life.

    As for me being all about my self. Individual rights are the only way you can garantee that the group is protected meaning everyone. You think in terms of group rights, with group rights the group can abuse an individual when the group wants to or if the group says it for the good of the group or public. This leaves the individual defenseless to the state or group. If the state says the needs of the group are more important than the individual then no one is ever safe. Only with individual rights can you ever protect everyone since you can’t violate the rights of one person that means you can’t violate the rights of any person hence all are protected.

    As for the Declaration of Independence, the constitution and the bill of rights.
    The Declaration and the Bill of rights deal with the concept of individual rights. You seam to see this concept as self centered and fail to see (as I explained above) that this is the only concept that protects everyone equally. The only alternative is group rights and since with group rights the individual has no protection and any person can be sacrificed for the supposed public good, group rights have historically lead to wholesale abuse of the people as a whole.
    I don’t know why you don’t like mixing the declaration and the constitution, the Supreme Court says the declaration is the spirit by which we understand and interpret the constitution. The declaration is page one of volume one in the U.S. Code and the next pages are the constitution, mixing them is quit natural.
    Their are no natural conflicts in the documents nor in everyones rights as you stated. There is no conflict between my freedom of speech and your right not to listen! What an asinine statement. If I say something in a public place and you don’t want to listen, keep walking. If I’m on your property make me leave, if I don’t leave then I’m infringing on your rights and trespassing, there is no conflict. In public you have a right not to listen, not a right to make it so you don’t have to hear me talking. You are right it is a very simple argument, one you can’t seam to grasp.

    As for the constitution, yes it established and set the form and outline of our government.
    It outlined a very limited form of government that originally would do little more than collect limited taxes on corporations, provide for the national Defence, regulate international trade and trade between the states. As for the ability to pass laws, the passage of laws were ment to be on the afore mentioned subjects and to pass laws on how the public funds should be spent. No where in the document do you find the authority for any thing more than that. So now we have a governmen that has departed so far from our framers intent that it nolonger resembles it’s intended role or form. Due prosess is now seen as any law that is passed is fine as long as it follows due prosses no matter how wrong it is in its nature. Our government now barely pays lip service to the to the documents we are discussing. The people passing the laws hold the very principles of it in contempt and apparently so do you. The Federal court now says that people have a right to redress of grievance but that the government has no obligation to listen. You think that was the framers intent? You think that the constitution allows for that? The suprem court has ruled that police can be wrong about the law they use to arrest and the citizen can still be prosecuted. There are so many more abuses that it would take months to write them down.
    No one would have to live under an unjust law if the police refused to enforce them!
    According to the documents we are discussing rights are enhairant and inalienable. According to the declaration they did not come from government, the documents just enumerated rights that existed before the document, and the very purpose of the documents was to establish a rebublic of laws as you stated, a rebublic where the highest law of the land was founded on the rights of the individual and limiting government power.

    As for mob rule, that’s what we have now! People vote themselves money out of the public funds by the politician they vote for and the politicians violate the constitution by claiming powers the constitution never gave them. If 51percent of the voting public vote for some thing then the other 49 percent of Us must live with it! That is MOB rule! The idea of making sure that laws never violate the the rights of the individual stops the prosses of mob rule. So many violations of the very documents we are talking about are why we are at this point in society. The highest oath of you and others like you was to protect that the constitution and yet every time it is violated you and your fellow officers just say well it’s the law and enforce the new laws that were created out of violating the constitution and a violation of the oath of the people who wrote the law. Violating your oath of office is a crime by the way.
    In your case I understand your problem, it’s hard for you to protect a document you don’t even understand and even harder for you to uphold an oath that you never cared enough about to understand.

    P.S. If you respond to this post, respond to each point one at a time as I have responded to your posts not in the disorganized, haphazard, unitelagable way you normally respond. Please you can’t have a debate unless each person responds to the actual subject matter and refutes the points made by the other person.
    Thank you

  • Cato

    I really wish you understood what the constitution says.
    Refer to my comments above.

  • Yodapop

    Policing, why, when and how it was formed has nothing to do with the Constitution, until 1871. As Turner, Giacopassi and Vandiver (2006:186) remark, “the literature clearly establishes that a legally sanctioned law enforcement system existed in America before the Civil War for the express purpose of controlling the slave population and protecting the interests of slave owners. The similarities between the slave patrols and modern American policing are too salient to dismiss or ignore. Hence, the slave patrol should be considered a forerunner of modern American law enforcement.”
    Finally, in 1871 Congress passed the Ku Klux Klan Act, which prohibited state actors from violating the Civil Rights of all citizens in part because of law enforcements’ involvement with the infamous group. This legislation, however, did not stem the tide of racial or ethnic abuse that persisted well into the 1960s.
    So they then created revenue collectors, to steal money and property from the citizens, to grease the wheels and line the pockets of the supposedly “elite”, that think they are better than a regular citizen, which rubs off on the revenue collectors noses that are stuck far up the governments behind.

    The need for police accountability is made evident by the great power that police forces wield over the lives, liberties, safety, and rights of citizens. Governments empower police to compel individuals to comply with the law; they allow officers to stop, search, detain, cite, and arrest citizens and to use physical and sometimes deadly force. If police use those powers improperly, they can abuse the civil rights of the very citizens they are supposed to protect. Thus, it is critical that police be accountable for their policies and behaviour.

    http://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/50819_ch_1.pdf

    Basically you are quite full of BS, little titty.

  • Yodapop
  • Cato

    http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/law-enforcement-police-department-employee-totals-for-cities.html

    Please educate your self take the time to read remember reading is fundamental.

  • Yodapop

    I have told little t, and JC, many times before…they really need to attend Reading Comprehension 101. I guess they just can’t find the door.

  • Yodapop

    That will be quite hard for little t to do, Cato. I wish you luck in getting that.

  • Cato

    Please grace us with your wisdom. Would you please state word for word the powers granted to the U.S. government in the U.S. Constitution and then try to justifie your position.

    Perhaps you can make us all tremble befor the searing logic of your fiery intellect.

  • Cato

    Your just wasting your time with little t and his friends they are morally bankrupt, intellectually dishonest, socially underdeveloped,emotionally insecure, servile, higher functioning mental deficients, that willhappily help enslave there countrymen. History is full of their type.

  • Cato

    You are a gentleman and a scholar Sir. Little t and his kind are beyond help. It’s sad.

  • Yodapop

    Thank you Cato. You have those same qualities. Yes, it is beyond sad for those like little t and his kind.

  • Sean Gruber

    Hey, Wolfhunter, I used my name. (unlike you) and I never backed down at all. Metro got exactly what they had coming to them on that day. And I never said anything to the contrary. You, sir, are a cop or a copsucker, and you calling me a “coward” is funny. Would you prefer that I got into a fist fight with Metro? Or how about a duel? Should I assume I would ever get a fair fight? You are a fucking joke. You are a redcoat or a loyalist and I hope you live long enough to enjoy the fruits of the tree that you have harvested.