Sanger Police Officers Shoot and Kill an Unarmed Suicidal Marine Corps Vet

On June 15, 2012 my brother Charlie Salinas was gunned down like a dog by officers of the Sanger Police Department and Fresno County Sheriffs Department. He was depressed, drunk, and suicidal. He made a 911 call saying he wanted to die. Sanger Police Department obliged him. They surrounded him, and opened fire shooting at least 30 times, even shooting him as he lay on the ground dying. There were many witnesses, even video of the shooting that contradicts what the police state happened. They state that my brother charged at them, that he threatened them with a weapon, that they were in fear for themselves and the public. The video shows my brother standing with his hands up and open, stumbling as he began to comply with officers orders to come out and get on the ground. As he stumbles you hear the officers open fire. My family is devastated. Charlie was not given the consideration a dog gets. My brother was executed. Cops are out of control in this country; in the six months since Charlies death, there have been many, many instances of excessive force, and officer-involved shootings of unarmed individuals. Yet, investigations go nowhere because they are investigating themselves. How can they get away with this?

More on this story, here.

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  • maryj

    gunned down like a dog shot by a cop

  • Chris Mallory

    He was probably given as many contradictory orders as there were cops there. Being yelled at to “drop the weapon”, “Quit resisting”, “Don’t move”, “Put your hands over your head.”, “On the ground”, “On your knees” and I imagine several other phrases, all prefaced with the words “Motherfucker” or “Scumbag”. When your brother did not comply with every single order one of the cops fired causing every other idiot with a badge to empty his weapon as well. It was a shame there wasn’t any friendly fire.

    This would be very simple to fix. One government employee on scene to speak to the citizen and only one government employee on scene authorized to use a weapon.

    Disarm cops for a Safer America.

    All cops lie, all the time.

  • John Q Public

    Here’s more on the story:
    FRESNO, Calif. (KFSN) — 9-1-1 tapes are revealing new information about why Sanger Police shot and killed an unarmed man nearly two weeks ago. 46-year-old Charles Salinas died June 15, after a confrontation with Sanger Police. The 9-1-1 tapes released Wednesday show he made his intentions clear from the start.The call is about 8 and a half minutes long and ends before Salinas’ confrontation with police.
    Dispatcher: “9-1-1, state your emergency.”
    Salinas: “I want to kill myself.”
    When asked why he wanted to hurt himself, Salinas told a Fresno County dispatcher it was just time for him to die.
    Dispatcher: “Are you armed at all?”
    Salinas: “Yes.”
    Dispatcher: “What are you armed with?”
    Salinas: “I have a nine millimeter.”
    Dispatcher: “Any other weapons?”
    Salinas: “Yes, two… two knives.”
    Salinas told a dispatcher he was standing in front of his childhood home but said he wanted to move away from the residential neighborhood so no one else would get hurt. Salinas told the dispatcher to tell officers to shoot him and repeatedly said no one else was in danger.
    Salinas: “There’s no way to do it without shooting me unless I move an aggressive movement, right? An aggressive posture or something like that? I know they won’t do it unless I jump towards them?”
    Investigators say Salinas was first confronted in an alley and reached for his waistband twice before running away. The next time officers approached, he was in a flowerbed in front of an auto parts store. Three officers opened fire after they said he refused to follow their commands and made a quick movement. “They would have loved for him to come out and comply and do what needs to be done and get him the help he needed. But there are some people that are not going to let that happen,” said Fresno County Sheriff’s Department Spokesperson Chris Curtice.
    Salinas hung up with the dispatcher before officers ever arrived at the scene. Her call back went to voicemail. The Fresno County Sheriff’s Department is investigating the shooting. Salinas ended up being unarmed.

    Sounds like suicide by cop to me.

  • John Q Public

    http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=8717211

    That is where you can listen to the 911 tapes.

  • John Q Public

    And, where is the video you speak of?

  • John Q Public
  • Common Sense

    sucide by cop.

  • t.

    Dang it JQP. You didn’t even let them get started before you slammed down this lie. The only one, Super-tool Chris sounded off. JQP, you ruined the fun. Thanks for nuttin’.

  • shawn

    @JQP @T

    I would point out that they KNEW it was talk. They also knew from the 911 call that he didn’t actually want anyone else to get hurt. And yes, I did read the part about the 911 call. I too would like to see the video, and whether it contradicts the cops’ story.

    But it’s nice to see you think this man’s death is entertainment. Funny how when people enjoy a good pig on pig shooting, you have a differing view on the value of the life lost.

  • t.

    I don’t think its entertainment. I think it is a huge tragedy. But his family, who apperently weren’t there for him when he needed them, when he was hurting and reaching….for some reason want to blame others. Again, this is another blatant example of the “totality of the circumstances”. The officers have the information from that 911 call, the threats he made. With that information in hand, even the slightest provocative move, even a sudden stumble, can easily be seen as aggressive.

    What I do find funny is the reactions of folks like you. Those that can’t see past the emotion of it all. Its awful that this individual felt the desire to want to die…either by his own hand or by forcing it from the police. But HE called and made the threats that made him a threat to thosearound him (not that he did, but any rounds he shoots at the police ddon’t just have their names on them, they can injure or kill anyone). But those like you, and almost certainly @Clarkcounty, centurion, certain and others will pipe in with some raging idiocy about less lethal, or just leaving him alone, or some other such nonsense. We can do that. His unbalanced mental illness, combined with the threats that he made, make him a very real danger to all those around him. I sure wish someone would have called about the idiot who shot and killed people in the mall two days ago. Bet you think if they had the police would have been wrong to intervene. You really need to wake up and realize that there are very dangerous people out there. And just blindly waiting for them to hurt people before action is taken is wrong.

  • Silvestri

    I am siding with Shawn on this. He stated his intentions very thoroughly and was approached twice with no weapons evident. Maybe if they deescalated the situation by not giving him what he thought he wanted this could have ended peacefully.
    Obviously he was suicidal and this isn’t the first case like this, hence the phrase ‘suicide by cop’. Where were the non-lethal weapons like pepper spray and tasers? Where the police able to talk to him without weapons drawn? Hopefully the video exists and can give real answers.

  • Silvestri

    @t
    I wouldn’t leave him alone though. Yeah, there were some mental health issues going on. And he could snap. And he might have had real weapons.
    All I’m saying is that there may have been other ways the police could have handled this besides just playing along with what Charlie wanted.

  • John Q Public

    Shawn, why do you think copblock put this story up in the first place? I didn’t make any jokes about the Marine that decided to take the actions that lead to his death. Copblock once again put half of a story on the site and interjected their opinions. Could the cops have done something differently? Of course. But, none of us were there so we can’t say what went on. The 911 tape is pretty self explanatory. If there was a video as the writer suggested, then it would be all over youtube. Even when I did the research and found the complete store, complete with the actaul 911 call, it still isn’t enough. I see why common sense, t, and PSOSGT quit posting facts and just started poking at the copblockers. Because its a waste of time.

  • John Q Public

    “But it’s nice to see you think this man’s death is entertainment. Funny how when people enjoy a good pig on pig shooting, you have a differing view on the value of the life lost.”

    Shawn, that tells your story right there. Another knucklehead. SMH

  • Dr Kranknstein

    There are way to many contradictions in all the stories I have read about this. 911 call says his was armed…However witnesses and family are saying hands open and up. Video I saw along with news story was to unclear to determine so really can not say either way. One thing I will ask for our officers who frequent…Isn’t it SOP to designate a shooter in situations like this? Just so you don’t have X amount officers emptying their mags on someone.

  • Chris Mallory

    Reread your story JQP, he was unarmed. No cop on the scene saw a weapon in his hand. “Quick movement” or not, there was no need for them to fire one shot. One cop to talk, one cop to use a weapon if needed. Every cop who fired his weapon should be in prison.

    Disarm cops for a Safer America.

    All Cops lie, all the time.

  • t.

    Designated shooter? 17 years, 7 as a supervisor, over 5 on a tactical team, never heard of any such thing. That is T.V. learning (no offense) were things are done for dramatic effect, not for accuracy.

  • t.

    @Chris: if you take JQP’s comment as truth…and the actual shooting took place as described…the officers should be back on duty after about 72 hours. Not only did they not do anything wrong, the showed remarkable restraint in trying not to hurt this guy.

  • John Q Public

    t, obviously Chris seems to have been there and knows everything. He is an idiot of the highest order.

    Disarm Chris Mallory for a Safer America.

    Chris Mallory lies, all the time.

  • PSOSGT

    So….according to the comments on here from all the actual witness’s to the incident. The cops “knew” he was unarmed, he was complying 100%, and the cops “knew” he wasn’t going to hurt them.

    I think the posters on here should become cops. As phsycic as they are, they could solve crimes before they happen!!!

  • cookie

    Another HRFHW killing.

    “He Reached For His Waistband” justifies the killing.

  • To John q towards the end of the 9-1-1 call did u hear when he wouldn’t even scratch a law enforcement officer… There is a video on YouTube that the kmph news uploaded.. Shame on them. They did it without even contacting the family… But there’s the same video but a more clear image that we own..

  • Oh and toxicology reports say he was over 3 times the legal limit!!! It wasn’t a justified shoot and I believe these cops are back on the streets

  • jennie ruiz

    Charlie Salinas was executed by Sanger Police Department officers, there were 5-6 officers surrounding him. He was not given the chance to fully comply with their orders to surrender. There are many witnesses to attest to this. The family would not have pursued this if we thought the situation was warranted. Such as Charlie having a weapon, acting out aggressively, jumping out at the police officers, etc. My brother was unarmed, officers statements bear this out. Sanger Police Department officials, Fresno County Sheriffs Department have refused to give us any information, or return my brothers personal effects. They are refusing to provide any information to the family, they have not even contacted us to offer condolences via Police Chaplain.

  • DandyQuaid

    I was just in a jury trial focus group about this case. I saw video of the shooting taken by a witness as well as deposition testimony from the officers present. Without giving detail I have to just say this is one of the most terrifying and incomprehensible cases of police brutality/militarization complex I’ve ever seen. It was more graphic and disturbing than the recent videos of Eric Garner and Tamir Rice. It left me speechless. The scene was more violent and malicious than any movie with a prohibition-era Tommy gun shootout or a Nazi firing squad. It was furiously heartbreaking to hear that criminal charges were never filed and that the officers are still on the force. And that we’ve been led to believe that addiction and mental illnesses are crimes punishable by banishment and death. I can only hope that the evidence is released publicly and the media and reaction pressures a widespread investigation of the PD.