Rochester, NY Police officer Jonathan M. Kent Caught on Video Violating My First Amendment Right, at President Obama Visit

By Davy V.

Thursday morning, Air Force One touched down in Buffalo, NY, and within minutes, President Obama was on his way to the University of Buffalo, for what would be the first stop on his two day Education Reform Tour, with an itinerary which in addition to the U of B stop, would also include a stop at a high school in Syracuse. NY.

In between both Upstate, NY cities, folks in Rochester, NY, wondered if the President would make a stop in “The Flower City.”

Amidst rumors that President Obama would stop at Nick Tahou Hots, for a world famous “Garbage Plate”, dozens gathered outside the 95-year old, Rochester landmark restaurant on West Main Street, as the President’s motorcade passed by on interstate 490 East, less than 50 yards away.

Less than 10 minutes later, Ground Force One, the President’s $1 Million, armored tour bus pulled in front of Magnolia’s Deli and Cafe on Park Avenue, where President Obama surprised patrons, and sat down to have lunch.

Rewind a few hours earlier.

As Rochester’s Corporate-America run, mainstream news media had been doing since President Obama announced his tour, I too found myself on standby, with my 12-year old niece, who was excited to see the President, ready to cover the President’s visit, with my 12-year old niece, who insisted on tagging along with me, excited at the possibility of seeing the President, should he decide to stop in the ROC.

And, just as Rochester’s mainstream news media outlets did, I raced down to Magnolia’s Deli, as soon as news broke that the President was in fact heading to the Park Ave. eatery.

However, unlike the group of Rochester’s mainstream news media personnel gathered on the corner of Park Ave. and Oxford St., as seen in the videos below, I was selectively targeted, and prohibited from standing on a public sidewalk, next to other media personnel, when Rochester, NY Police officer Jonathan M. Kent, badge number 158, calls me out by my name, (at the 3 minute, 10 second mark of third video above) telling me, “Davy, you have to stand back here.”

As you can see in the videos, when I ask RPD officer Kent why he was prohibiting me from standing where other media personnel were standing, he replies, “because they were here earlier, that’s why they’re allowed to stand there, you’re just getting here sir, so you have to stay back here please.”

Rochester Police officer Jonathan Kent basically said I was late.


How is it even possible to arrive late to what was in essence, an unplanned, spontaneously announced event?

An event, which according to Rochester, NY Police Lieutenant Frank Umbrino (more on my conversation with him in a bit), the RPD, and his officers, had only learned of President Obama’s impromptu visit, just 10 minutes before the President arrived!

Now, about Rochester, NY Police Lt. Frank Umbrino.

I have known Umbrino for over 20 years, since he was a rookie.

I have never had a problem with Lt. Umbrino.

I can honestly say that each and every time I have dealt with Lt. Umbrino, despite the fact that our roles could not be any more opposite, Lt. Umbrino has always been professional, and courteous with me, which is why I was glad to hear his voice on the other end of the phone, when I called to ask for a supervisor regarding the incident with officer Kent.

Not surprising, Lt. Umbrino defended his officer, reiterating something officer Kent said in the videos below.

Lt. Umbrino told me that Secret Service employees had “cleared” the media personnel seen on the video.

I respectfully disagreed with Lt. Umbrino, and reminded him of one of the first things he told me in our conversation.

Lt. Umbrino told me that the President’s visit was so short notice that he and his officers only received a 10 minute heads up.

Therefore, I highly doubt that the U.S. Secret Service actually “cleared” individual media personnel.

I mean sure, a perimeter was set up for media personnel, but its not likely, given the short notice of the President’s visit, and given everything the Secret Service had on their plate, that they actually took the time to “clear” individual media reporters and camera persons, on a one by one basis.

Then, in what perhaps was the highlight of my conversation with RPD Lt. Umbrino, I asked him if he himself, treated a “mainstream media professional” any different than say someone like myself, not a member of Corporate-America-run news media, but nonetheless a citizen journalist, and a credentialed press correspondent, whose work has a strong presence, in several print media publications, and Internet sites, and whose first book is publishing soon.

Lt. Umbrino’s response is perhaps one of the most accurate, on point statements I’ve ever heard a law enforcement officer say.

“Davy, although members of mainstream media have access to certain events such as press conferences for example, they don’t have any more rights than the average citizen, and they don’t have any more rights than someone who does what you do.”

Well said Lt. Umbrino.

Well said.

Later in the evening, while channel surfing, I came across something I found ironic.

I saw a young man being interviewed, who got to shake President Obama’s hand.

“We were just standing on the corner waving then a couple of secret service agents came up and were like hey would you like to have a closer spot? and we were like sure!”, said Muhammad Ahsan.


The United States Secret Service, the President’s security, inviting citizens to get closer to the President.

So much for the Secret Service clearing each and every member of the mainstream media, officer Kent, and so much for you being under direct orders from your superiors to keep tight security.

But if the Secret Service inviting folks to get closer to the President is not enough, pay close attention to what is happening directly behind officer Kent, at the same time he is refusing to let me through.

Several individuals, who are not members of the media, including a woman in a blue outfit, are seen walking right through the “restricted”, “no one can walk though here” area which officer Kent is supposed to be “guarding.”

Another interesting thing, which can also be seen in the first video, is officer Kent giving me a wrong badge number “185”, several times, even though his badge number, as you can see on the front of his hat, is “158.”

In the end, I don’t know what I find more disgusting.

RPD officer Jonathan Kent clearly violating his department’s own Code of Ethics by allowing his personal feelings, prejudices, and animosities interfere with his job, and as a result violating my first amendment right, or the individuals who can be heard on the video asking officer Kent to taser me.

There’s something very disturbing, and quite eerie, to be have one’s first amendment rights violated, while people in the crowd yell “Taser him!”, as the President of the United States, and leader of the “free world” is less than 200 feet away.


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Davy V.

Davy V. is a Cuban-American Filmmaker, Video Producer, Photographer and Freelance Writer, best known for using the power of video and film to expose Police Brutality, Corruption and Misconduct.

The son of the late Mario Vara, a community activist who for years fought against Police Brutality and Misconduct in Rochester, New York, Davy V. got his start in Television and Video by tagging along and working camera for his father’s cable access television show, “La Voz Del Pueblo” (The Voice of The People).

Davy V. later went on to produce and host “KEEP IT ON THE REEL”, a cable access TV show with a mix of Hip Hop as well as issues affecting African-Americans and Latinos in Rochester, NY, such as Police Brutality and Misconduct. Some guests on the show included Treach, KayGee and Vinnie of Naughty by Nature, Method Man, Funkdoobiest, Da Youngstas, and the Rottin’ Razkals.

Davy V. won the U.S. ACM Video Festival Award for his Documentary, “R.P.D. EXPOSED!” about the Rochester, New York Police Department and their long history of misconduct, corruption and unnecessary killings of unarmed innocent citizens.
“R.P.D. EXPOSED!” and Davy V.’s follow up, “R.P.D.: Badges of DISHONOR, CORRUPTION and MURDER!” were both screened at the National Hip Hop Political Convention at Rutgers University in Newark, New Jersey.

Davy V.’s work has been featured in publications such as THE SOURCE Hip Hop Magazine, URBAN AMERICA Magazine, The Ave. Magazine, Insider Magazine, La Voz Newspaper, Minority Reporter Newspaper, CNY LATINO Newspaper, DOWN Magazine, as well as on television news stations, and programs such as CNN and Inside Edition.

In addition to his freelance writing, Davy V. also writes a monthly Op/Ed Column for LA VOZ Magazine and Minority Reporter Newspaper.

In June 2012, Davy V. joined Cop Block as a regular contributor.

  • Jason Free 123

    You stupid piece of racist shit. How close to the president do you think you are going to get? Yo uwere in the fucking wrong. After a certain point you cannot get any closer. God you are a stupid son of a bitch. You are no member of the press by any standard. You are a lying filthy piece of shit who makes fucking racist videos. Fucking piece of shit.

  • Jason Free 123

    Forgot to add you cum spot. You are more than likely on the FBI and CIAs most dangerous pycho list. I’m surprised you werent’ arrested on the fucking spot you stupid cunt.

  • Justin

    “Taser him!” Hahahahahaha! That’s great! Goes to show what the community really thinks of you! You are not “The Press”, so why should you be granted extra privileges?
    You are a civilian! And you were treated as such, just like the people behind you!

    This officer didnt violate your rights, he was acting under orders, and he did the right thing an he was very respectful to you.
    You just can’t help being a whiny little bitch when you don’t get your way!

    And let me guess, you called 911 again didn’t you? Always acting like the dispatchers are your personal secretaries and appointment setters. They should charge you with misusing the 911 system! 911 is for emergencies only, and you wanting to speak to a supervisor is not an emergency you whack job!

  • 585

    Awwww, did someone hurt your precious little feelings? You sound like a 3 year old that has just been told no. You going to write about the guy why was shot dead on S Plymouth, or was that not enough of a civil rights violation? F-bag.

  • steve

    The cop was very professional and polite.He answered Davy V’s questions politely more than once. Davy harrassed this cop to no end in front of the public that did not appreciate the actions Davy was showing. This article is a fail for Davy. There is no violation of civil rights.Davy became a public joke in this piece of crap so called journalist report.

  • Justin

    Oh and by the way Davy, he gave you the correct badge number the first 5 times you asked for it in the first video, he didnt give you the wrong one until you yourself screwed it up. At that point he was mocking you for being a tool! And I don’t blame him, because you are a tool, and he should have tasered you!

  • RadicalDude

    Good going Davy, keep on confronting the injustices of this world.

  • d0nj3nko

    To hear all those idiots screaming when the most corrupt tyrannical murderer just drives by makes me sick. Obama is a communist who has sold your once proud country down the river, he is murdering people at will with his kill list, he can imprison indefinitely anyone without due cause or a trial and is pushing gmo’s and vaccinations down all your throats… What I have just said is the tip of the iceberg and the idiots are cheering this fool. He is not even from the u.s, his long form birth certificate was a blatant fake. He has sealed his college information and even the teachers/students there at the time he says he was, say he was not there! So you have an imposter running your country into the ground while he has destroyed your legal system, healthcare and reputation all over the world and kills people from his kill list and they cheer! Unbelievable… God bless us all…

  • 585

    Just listen to the first 2 minutes of the first video. “I’m a member of the media.” Translates into “I’m a self-important Asshat.”

  • Justin

    You are right about Obama, 100%!
    But this is not the issue here, the issue is Davy once again accusing a police officer of something he did not do!

  • t


    I beseech you to look at what you allow to post articles here. Look at what you allow to be an editor of your page.
    Davy V is so unreliable that many of those that believe in your stated goals express their disgust with his mess. Everything he posts here lessens your standing a out police brutality / corruption. ALL of the articles he has posted have been disproven.

    The continued actions by Davy, hurts your stated cause. Just beware that his untruths lessen your credibility as well

    Guilt by welcomed association.

  • Justin

    This is just Davy crying because his little fake “Press” badge didnt get him where he wanted to be. Notice how he kept saying he was with the press…..Hmmm, I wonder how many other members of the press there brought their nieces, or nephews, or their own kids to see the president…..hmmm…nope! Whine and Cry Poor Lil Davy! Dont worry bro, its just a little butthurt, you’ll get over it in the next life.

  • certain

    LOL, you think anybody can just waltz up to the president because they’re “the press”?

    @Justin – Careful, you might want to look over some of donstankos posts before you agree with anything he says. He’s a raving anti-semitic fruit-bag.

    “he is murdering people at will with his kill list, he can imprison indefinitely anyone without due cause or a trial and is pushing gmo’s and vaccinations down all your throats” C’mon, really??????? If that isn’t the ravings of a paranoid nutcase, I don’t know what is.

  • 585

    If you check Davy Vajayjay’s twitter feed, you will see him bitching about someone sticking their phone in his face and taking photos of him. How the F do you like it, Asshat?

  • steve

    The idiot cop was meerly doing a security job while being antagonized by a dude that is faking a press pass at him. Talk about make one cop go bad, Davy can do it. All that and poor Davy didn’t get a free ride to the grey bar hotel.

  • RochesterCitizen

    It sure must be nice to attend all these events off the taxpayers’ dollars. You’re the biggest hypocrite around. You claim to hate main stream media and then claim to be a part of them (the press), which in fact, you’re not. So apparently, the post on your twitter feed stands correct for you. “Haters don’t really hate you. In fact, they hate themselves because you’re a reflection of what they wish to be”. Looks as though mainstream media is a reflection of what you wish to be. The cop calling out your name doesn’t mean that you were personally targeted; he knew your name so he said it. You clearly show in the video, that it wasn’t only you that was not allowed, it was everyone. Therefore, you were not the only one targeted. This officer did his job, and a damn good job he did. He could’ve done even better without you in his face. Your panties are just in a bunch because you were not allowed to do something that you wanted to. If anything, you distracted this officer in several ways. He gave you his badge number (several times) and answered all your questions…again, as you clearly show in the video. How do you know that Officer Kent’s personal feelings are, are you a mind reader? You clearly show that your first amendment rights were never violated; you were allowed to continue recording everything that was going on. The 15 minute video is my favorite, it clearly shows that you’re no hero to the citizens of Rochester; clearly you are the loser in this video. This video also shows that you believe that you’re above everyone else. In fact, you kind of look like you want to be this cop’s butt buddy with the way you follow him around.

    You comment all the time on how a badge doesn’t grant one extra rights. I think you need to remind yourself of the same. You are a citizen, and you are not granted any extra rights just because your ipad or whatever is glued to your hip. You are no more than a citizen; you are not a member of the press. Please stop saying that you’re speaking for the people, because you have no idea what we want. We want you to get a real job so we can stop supporting your sorry ass.

    Stop bitching about how officers are not doing their job when you’re the one often preventing them from doing a better job.

    If I was your niece, I would be embarrassed and ashamed to call you my uncle.

  • RochesterCitizen

    On second thought, maybe I should thank Davy for showing us a great example of our hard earned taxpayer dollars at work. You showed us that this officer was doing his job, and that is our hard earned taxpayer dollars at work. Thank you, Officer Kent.

  • steve

    Let him keep it up and this will become Copjoke.

  • Jason Free 123

    steve you fucking cunt. This is copjoke. More like cuntblock. How’s your mom?

  • Mike

    Wow, mom jokes. That’s so 1980’s of you.

  • steve


  • Robert Ekas


    This is shameful. You just polluted a site that is dedicated to rooting out the social psychology that infects the institution of law enforcement with this piece of garbage. Let me set you straight on a key concept, your rights under the 1st Amendment weren’t violated.

    I know what you’re thinking, “I’m a reporter and there’s this thing called freedom of the press”. Yes you are and yes there is, sort of. Here is what the 1st Amendment says as it was written 200+ years ago.

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    Where in that paragraph as applied to the actions of the police officer, who may have hated your guts or may not have, did your rights get violated? If you stand on your right to walk down a street and be with “other” press persons, you stand nowhere. Even if the police officer was over-zealous and erred, it’s not a rights violation. It’s called negligence and it’s a function of living in an imperfect world. Teach that to your 12 year old.

    And speaking of 12 year old’s, my son was twelve when a cop violated my 1st Amendment right. Like you I called for a supervisor. Like you the supervisor protected his officer. Unlike you he went further. While violating my rights under the 1st and 4th Amendments he told me, in the presence of my 12 year old son, “Teach your kid some respect.” I responded with a few words, but that’s not what got his attention. What got his attention was the civil action I filed in the District of Oregon. I got his attention and a check.

    So, please, if you have a legitimate rights violation then air it and sue the bastards. Just stop fanning the flames of rhetoric and promoting propaganda. You’re as bad as the “corporate media” you scorn.

  • Jason Free 123

    steve – your mom is stupid? I guess I always knew that because she had you.

  • RadicalDude

    Looks like the citizens are getting tired of you too. How short is your damn memory that you have to ask the same question 20 times?

  • Jason Free 123

    RadicalDude – Go fuck yourself Mr. wannabe lawyer. You are another annonypussy who won’t use your real name. You fucking cunts talk so big and are so “proud” to be activists yet you won’t use your real names. You are as fake as that bullshit legal advice you give out. Fucking cunt.

  • Common Sense

    Ha ha ha…

    Poor Davy V. Maybe its time for a career change.

  • Justin

    Well said!

    Tonight is the first time I watched the whole 15 minute video, and I must say….It truly shows just how much Davy cares about his community, enough to turn around and call that crowd “losers” and “sheep” then to bahh at them? Who do you think you are? Oh thats right, a citizen that has cops standing right there, and even if they dont like you, they would have to protect you if that crowd really turned on you, so the Officer made you feel safe enough to stand there and mock those people, the same people you say you are doing this for! Like I said before, you are doing this for no one but yourself!

    You ask for donations for what? To fund your police harassment?

    And did I hear you say your attorney would be contacting the Police Department? For what? What rights were violated? NONE! He did not make you stop recording, he did not prevent you from mocking the crowd, he did his job, followed his orders.

    Try to do this to the drug dealers on every corner in the hood….go start asking them questions with your iPad in their faces… WONT…because you’re a coward, you go after police because you know they cant touch you….a drug dealer, gang member, accused murderers? They are not bound by the law, and thats what scares you! You’re not an activist, you’re a paranoid schizophrenic, with Bi- Polar disorder that has nothing better to do then harass police, all because your father killed himself and you blame police, not the illness’s that he obviously passed down to you! Remember Davy Boy, Your Father made the choice to take his own life…Not RPD! Blame Daddy for abandoning you, not the Police.

  • Justin

    Although I probably wouldn’t agree on anything else with Robert, I do agree with his statement here.

    But the problem is, Davy doesn’t care who agrees with him and who doesn’t, even if it is a supporter or writer for copblock. He just can’t see past his own face when it comes to all this.
    It wouldn’t matter if you sat him down with a copy of the bill of rights and explained each and every word to him, he would still interpret it his way and his way only!
    And to me it makes no sense, I have never heard or seen Davy refer to himself as American, only Latino and Cuban. If you don’t consider yourself American, then why are you still here Davy?

  • Jason Free 123

    The crowd called him a sheep and made noises because he was such a fucking loser. Davy V makes an ass out of himself not only on this board but also on videos in front of people. He is also a hispanic racist.

  • RadicalDude

    @August 25, 2013 at 2:10 pm


  • Justin

    Davy, you should google this Robert Ekas guy, he’s the real deal, unlike you!

  • Justin


    Man you should focus less on the vulgar insults and more on whats actually going on, that was Davy calling the crowd sheep and making the Baahing noise, showing his true colors and general disrespect for the people he says he does this for!

  • Jason Free 123

    Justin – I believe this Davy V is a typical racist piece of shit. All of his stories show nothing but white officers and black or mexican men and women having some kind of contact. He makes up bullshit and fraud on top of it to make his little world look so violent. If he couldn’t edit his videos and lie about them, he wouldn’t post that trash on cuntblock.

  • Justin

    Preachin to the choir guy….I make it a point to out his lies and disprove everything he says. I have done it so much that Police Officers I have never met before know who I am.

    What I am saying to you is, your vulgar insults, while amusing for the most part, dont help anything. You make the rest of us that can hold an intelligent conversation look bad. Obviously everyone here has seen all of your insults 40 – 50 times before, its old, and its doing nothing.

    You want to help disprove what Davy does? Do what I do, find proof, post it, and make sure people see it. Otherwise you’re nothing but a foul mouthed punchline that no one listens to.

    I’m not trying to start a fight, I’m just saying, from one police supporter to another, dont make our fight with these idiots look like a joke.

  • YankeeFan

    Obviously everyone here has seen all of your insults 40 – 50 times before, its old, and its doing nothing.

    Exactly! He is amusing but a troll nonetheless. The idiot, who has commented under 4 names and who actually said “show me the law that says you don’t have to show I.D.” all to be a moronic troll, you just pleaded with to not be a troll!

    I wish you luck in getting a good response!

  • YankeeFan


    Remember about 2 weeks or so after he started to comment under Slappy, Rob a moderator came out and called him a troll but stated he wasn’t as bad as another troll who made a Youtube video trying to mimic a mentally challenged person. That is saying something!

    Until Coblock decided to either moderate his retarded ass off the site or to have some kind of ignore button, we have to just deal with his moronic trolling.

  • Jason Free 123

    Annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer – Again prove that I have used 4 names. You continue youe lies and fraud while fucking sheep and chickens. You are a fucking mentally ill loser. You are nothing but that tiny little cumspot on your parent’s bedsheets. Your parents felt bad so they raised you instead of just washing you out of the sheets. Go back to your sheep and chicken fucking. You only fuck barnyard animals because you think they won’t laugh at you. Again, I have caught you in many lies including the “ID” thing. Now you are caught in another one with this name game. It would obviously suck to be you.

  • YankeeFan

    Slappy, Adam Miller, Jason Free and now Jason Free 123 is 4 names. Even internet trolls can count! Live with it!

  • YankeeFan

    Again, I have caught you in many lies including the “ID” thing.

    No you didn’t. All you did was troll. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this matter in Hibel v Nevada, I believe. If a state has stop and ID law, we can be arrested and charged based on the text of the law. California does not have such a law so therefore I am not required to do so.

    Also, don’t think your little play on words wasn’t noticed. Trying to be a cute little troll weren’t ya? There are no laws that say we don’t. But, what would the charge be if there was no stop and ID law? Even your troll mind can answer that!

  • Jason Free 123

    Annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer. I never used “Jason Free” It’s always been Jason Free 123. YOu are just too much of a fucking cunt to admit you are wrong so I will admit you are wrong for you. I use my real name you fucking cunt. You hide beind so bullshit name because you are a fucking pussy You again are very wrong about the showing of IDs when an officer requests it. I have shown you the law and you still fucking lie about it. Go back to raping your sheep and chickens. I posted some of your videos on this website. You cannot deny the videos were yours Mr. Dahmer.

  • YankeeFan

    Wrong troll. It was Jason Free. Stop telling lies asshole! And I showed you SCOTUS rulings and there is no national ID requirement. Also, Cali has no STOP AND ID laws so therefore I have no requirement to do so. Why do you think 24 states have adopted such laws and the others haven’t?

    And do shut up. You hid behind Slappy and Adam Miller!

  • YankeeFan

    the bonus round:

    As of February 2011, there is no U.S. federal law requiring that an individual identify himself during a Terry stop, but Hiibel held that states may enact such laws, provided the law requires the officer to have reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement.

    Alabama Ala. Code §15-5-30
    Arizona Ari. Rev. Stat. Tit. 13, §2412 (enacted 2005)
    Arkansas Ark. Code Ann. §5-71-213(a)(1) (loitering)
    Colorado Colo. Rev. Stat. §16-3-103(1)
    Delaware Del. Code Ann., Tit. 11, §§1902, 1321(6)
    Florida Fla. Stat. §901.151 (Stop and Frisk Law); §856.021(2) (loitering and prowling)
    Georgia Ga. Code Ann. §16-11-36(b) (loitering)
    Illinois Ill. Comp. Stat., ch. 725, §5/107-14
    Indiana Indiana Code §34-28-5-3.5
    Kansas Kan. Stat. Ann. §22-2402(1)
    Louisiana La. Code Crim. Proc. Ann., Art. 215.1(A); La. Rev. Stat. 14:108(B)(1)(c)
    Missouri Mo. Rev. Stat. §84.710(2)
    Montana Mont. Code Ann. §46-5-401
    Nebraska Neb. Rev. Stat. §29-829
    Nevada Nev. Rev. Stat. §171.123
    New Hampshire N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann. §594:2, §644:6
    New Mexico N.M. Stat. Ann. §30-22-3
    New York N.Y. Crim. Proc. Law §140.50
    North Dakota N.D. Cent. Code §29-29-21 (PDF)
    Ohio Ohio Rev. Code §2921.29 (enacted 2006)
    Rhode Island R.I. Gen. Laws §12-7-1
    Texas Texas Penal Code §38.02(a)(b)
    Utah Utah Code Ann. §77-7-15
    Vermont Vt. Stat. Ann., Tit. 24, §1983
    Wisconsin Wis. Stat. §968.24

    Notice Cali is missing off the list. So, that means I can’t be charged. The above took 2 mins from the actual stop and identify description! Plus:

    Oh do shut up!

  • RadicalDude

    Also I think Brown v Texas is relevant

  • YankeeFan

    More bonus about Calfornia, Mr Troll, since I am in a generous mood:

    For example, California’s “stop and identify” law, Penal Code §647(e) had wording[27][28] similar to the Nevada law upheld in Hiibel, but a California appellate court, in People v. Solomon (1973), 33 Cal.App.3d 429 construed the law to require “credible and reliable” identification that carries a “reasonable assurance” of its authenticity. Using this construction, the U.S. Supreme Court held the law to be void for vagueness in Kolender v. Lawson, 461 U.S. 352 (1983).[29]


    It is not universally agreed that, absent a “stop and identify law”, there is no obligation for a detainee to identify himself. For example, as the U.S. Supreme Court noted in Hiibel, California’s “stop and identify” statute was voided in Kolender v. Lawson. But in People v. Long,[38] decided four years after Kolender, a California appellate court found no constitutional impropriety in a police officer’s demand for written identification from a detainee. The issue before the Long court was a request for suppression of evidence uncovered in a search of the defendant’s wallet, so the issue of refusal to present identification was not directly addressed; however some cite Long in maintaining that refusal to present written identification constitutes obstructing an officer.[39] Others disagree, and maintain that persons detained by police in California cannot be compelled to identify themselves.[40]

    Some courts, e.g., State v. Flynn (Wis. 1979)[41] and People v. Loudermilk (Calif. 1987)[42] have held that police may perform a search for written identification if a suspect refuses to provide it; a later California decision, People v. Garcia (2006) strongly disagreed.[43]

    and lastly:

    ^ The California Peace Officers Legal Sourcebook (“CPOLS”; written by the office of the California Attorney General) maintains that failure to identify oneself does not constitute a violation of California Penal Code §148(a)(1), resisting, delaying, or obstructing a peace officer:

    Unlike Nevada and 20 other states, California does not have a statute mandating that a detainee identify himself, and that obligation cannot be read into Penal Code Section 148. (Rev. 1/08, p. 2.14a)

    Ohhhhhhhh, that’s nice huh troll?

    Thus end of the lesson. I await your usual responses sans proof.

  • YankeeFan


    It is relevant. He is in his usual trolling mode. He never backed it up. He was asked and immediately went to the, “Show me the law that says you don’t have to show ID”. Above he claims he showed the law. Hell, he contradicts himself but when you troll, you have no need to make sense. But Like I stated, I am in a generous mood and since the topics seem not to exciting, I will indulge the Village Idiot!

  • Jason Free 123

    Annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer – Still telling people lies to save face. Got news for you you stupid cunt. I have only used three names and you are so much of a fucking liar and fraud, you will lie and lie and lie. I have pointed out where you have lied about showing a police officer an ID upon request and you still continue to lie and lie and lie. I can see why you aren’t married and your exwife calls you a halfman. You don’t have half a brain in your head. I’m glad there is a website like this. It keeps complete fucking idiots like you off the streets. You sit up over 24 hrs a day typing on cunt block. I’ve seen you post times and you do it around the clock. You are mentally ill big time. More like manic depressive. You disapear for a while when you are down and then when you get manic, you are posting 24 hrs a day. I can see why you go after sheep and chickens. They can’t defend themselves. When they do, you eat them. Go see your councillor and get soem fucking help you chronically mentally ill bastard.

  • YankeeFan


    See, all troll comments. Even showed where we have no mandatory ID statute and the California State Attorney General’s office even stated failure to show ID here doesn’t constitute an obstruction violation. Remember, he hasn’t shown anything but troll all the time, everytime!

  • YankeeFan

    I will say troll, that I do feel pity for you. Your piece of shit life wasted trolling a site where every topic posted you call bullshit activist bullshit. What a pure fucking loser you are!

  • YankeeFan


    Liar bitch you used 4. Jason Free 123 is 4. Stop trolling and stop telling lies. The only person you have convinced you have used 3 is you. 4 different names now punk! LoL, Who is the anonymous one, huh?

  • RadicalDude

    I do like Davy’s highly confrontational stance toward cops. I think getting involved with the name calling and back and forth trolling from the crowd was kind of throwing him off point. Davy, you shouldn’t let those people distract you and throw you off your game, remember they are probably products of the public school system, they think how they have been programmed to.

    MAXIMALLY CONFRONTATIONAL, that is the way to approach interaction with cops, generally.

  • Jason Free 123

    annonypussy yancuntfan Dahmer – Still at it. You have been proven wrong and that you are lying but you will still fight it like the total fuck up you are. I’m sure you still believe the world is flat. Since you were proven wrong you will continue your bullshit rants to save face. Is that how you used to lie to your dad? Sounds like your maina is still going at full force. Eventually your bipolar disorder will kick into high gear and you will crash and be depressed again. This time when you crash and burn do everyone a favor and go into the closet and hang yourself. You can do it.

  • YankeeFan

    4 different names you have trolled under. Everyone on here knows it. Live with it!

  • YankeeFan


    But seriously. what is your obsession with real names? It is really laugh out loud funny to hear you whine like a prison yard bitch about real names when you have posted under 4 names, 3 of them unique! Slappy was the first. Then you legally changed it to Adam Miller I presume. Then along came the waste of life called Jason Free. Is this the real you. Na, don’t think so. You are a coward that trolls topics that wouldn’t dare reveal his real name.

    Eventually the novel that is your trolling will wear out. For now I enjoy your comedy and the fact you are as dumb as a box of rocks. Oh did I say this is your 4th name now? Live with it!

  • Robert Ekas

    Has it occurred to anyone else that the possibility exists that Jason is actually “anti-cop” pretending to be “pro-cop” and acting in such a vulgar and offensive manner to make the “pro-cop” people look bad by association? The idea that someone might implement that sort of tactic makes me hope he’s just a vulgar troll.

  • RadicalDude

    @Rboert Ekas:

    Yes, I have considered that possibility. I think it is laso possible that he is a made-up character that is some sort of ongoing bizarre Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton-type prank.

  • steve

    It would have been funny to see Davy V. dangling all wired up to a tazer doing the jig om internet tv.