How Would You Handle the Armed Men in Nevada?

Most of the regular readers to this site are probably aware to Cliven Bundy and the situation his family is currently facing in Nevada. For those unaware read this submission to CopBlock.org posted earlier today or this piece written by Christoper Cantwell titled, “5 Things the Bundy Ranch Teaches Us.” If that doesn’t work, use Google to get caught up on the this insane situation.

My blog post today is NOT a background story to help you understand the standoff. My post here won’t be a call on action (though I believe as many people who can, should get to the Bundy’s Ranch) or a solution to the problem, I believe even if I had those, it’s not my place. How this interaction between government agents and the Bundy’s ends, is up to them.

What I want to do, is ask you a simple question. As the world watches another perfect government storm unfold, with all the similarities of Ruby Ridge and Waco, have you ever thought about what you would do of (but more like, when) the government pushes you to your breaking point? In the words of William Wallace (played by Mel Gibson in Braveheart), “Will you stand up and fight? Or will you run?”

Now I can already predict the responses from my friends, the CB trolls and most any statists. Yet, I urge you to really think about this. Sadly we live in a world where government agents regularly (whether as a mailman, censuses worker or full on swat team) come to your door (most the time under the pretense of helping you) and end up either taking everything you have and if you don’t give it to them, they’ll back you into a corner. Afterwards, they’ll blame you for fighting your way out and justify the overwhelming slaughter that will follow. Regardless of the outcome you should seriously consider your options if the man decides to take certain actions toward you. Don’t leave yourself with only two options, fight or run, when men with American flag patches and AR-15’s show up at your door. Being caught off guard and without a plan of action is a recipe for certain slaughter.

I wish the Bundy family the best. I hope the men in costumes who go out there to enforce these BS laws quit their jobs or prepare to risk their life for a paycheck. I’m sure the Bundy’s have more to fight for than just (worthless paper) money.

Consider joining the “Support Cliven Bundy” Facebook page.

EPN

Ademo Freeman

was born and raised in Wisconsin, traveled the country in a RV dubbed “MARV” and is an advocate of a voluntary society, where force is replaced with voluntary interactions. He’s partaken in projects such as, Motorhome Diaries, Liberty on Tour, Free Keene, Free Talk Live and is the Founder of CopBlock.org.
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  • travis bronson

    Do you think maybe he should just pay the grazing fee? It seems like a better alternative than an armed conflict.

  • Jake C

    He has been fighting this for over 10 years. He has lost court trial after trial. He doesn’t have God given rights to that land. This isn’t the 1800’s. Now these unstable militia people want to come and get involved for something Bundy has already lost. The bureau of land management controls that land. They do the studies, they take care of it. Just because his great great granddad allowed his animals to free range, you can’t in 2014. Now he is losing all of his cattle. The last thing needed is a shoot out with a bunch of moron activists militia who don’t belong there anyhow. Any bloodshed will be on his hands.

  • Duane Weimerskirch

    jake you are correct ..it is about control. if the government can give it they can take It away

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    The Bundy’s are sovereign citizens who do not recognize the authority of the country. They consider Nevada to be a sovereign state. It’s gonna turn into another Waco and that’s unfortunate.

  • The Expert

    The ranchers have every right to pull out some street sweepers and blast the criminal feds all over the desert.

  • RadicalDude

    The situation goes to demonstrate that the various police apperati, as we know them to exist don’t really represent the interests of their “constituents” nor do they necessarily provide a bona-fide “service” or “protection” to the “citizens” they profess to “serve” and “protect”. Which of course exposes the illegitimacy of the claimed “authority” of the police aggressors. The story demonstrated how the mission of the police becomes one that serves no legitimate bona-fide “protection” purpose under the false claim of “protection” due to the perverse incentives inherent in the institution. If one’s “protector” aggressively assaults them in the name of “protecting” them and still demands payment for that “service”, and continues to get away with it, then yes you have a real lack of accountability.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    No. The “story” is an attempt to garner support for the wacked out sovereigns. This isn’t about police. It’s about a bunch of inbreeds who don’t wanna play by the rules.

    I’m waiting for you to find a way to play your race card again.

  • John Q Public

    I know the mailman knocks on my door and takes things all the time. Ok, not really. He just leaves me bills, dammit.

  • Greg

    US Constitution, Article 1, section 8, paragraph 17. It’s about the Constitution. shheeesh

  • Greg

    For all the people who think this property belongs to the federal government, this is from the US Constitution and defines what land the feds are allowed to own within a state.

    “To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;..”

    It’s rather simple, the feds have no legitimate authority over, or ownership, of the land in question.

  • Greg

    The federal government has no legitimate authority over that land.

    “To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;..”

    It’s rather simple, the feds have no legitimate authority over, or ownership, of the land in question.

  • RadicalDude

    “Playing the race card”? No, that’s your thing.
    Of course it’s about forcing people to follow the rules. The rules made by authoritarian gangsters that say “the people” have to pay them. Let’s not pretend these cops’ activities have anything to do with providing any sort of “service” “protecting” any sort of rights of “the people.” That’s the discrepancy. These cops’ claimed “authority” supposedly comes from their claimed “purpose” of “serving” “the people” by “protecting” them and their rights, right? So if they aren’t “serving” “the people” or “protecting” anybody’s “rights” then why should they be granted any legitimate claim to authority? I just saw the Caesar Chavez movie yesterday, same stuff the cops have been doing since the beginning. It’s always been a sham/scam.

  • John Q Public

    What about the endangered Mojave Desert tortoises’ rights? Do they not matter? I guess its ok for the cows to eat their creosote bush and stomp on them and their burrows, crushing them and their eggs. There’s not many of them left anyways, so who cares if they become extinct, right?

  • John Q Public

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–

  • John Q Public

    You should know that this whole site has been converting to sovereign citizen crap for awhile now.

  • blklammer

    THAT IS OUT OF CONTEXT….. ONE IS ABOUT THE SEAT OF GOVERNMENT – WASHINGTON DC. NEVADA GOT ITS CHARTER FROM THE U.S.GOVERNMENT A HUNDRED YEARS LATER. All authority comes to Nevada through the Federal government… and Bundy never ever owned the land. His family was purchasing grazing rights on a year to year basis.

  • RadicalDude

    You have a point about the turtles; having said that I think we should be pretty skeptical considering all the perverse incentives at play in the situation, but ya definitely the meat industry is super bad for the environment and there’s lots of cruelty involved, etc, it is wracked with its own issues, mad cow, etc that could be a whole other article.

  • RadicalDude

    Also, there’s non violent solutions to those types of things. Going back to the Caesar Chavez thing, he was doing boycotts against the wine growers same thing can be done with meat, or any product whose production can be harmful or not environmentally friendly or whatever. How many people does it take for a cop to screw in a lightbulb? Well, there’s the cop then there’s the guy that pays him then there’s the guy that collects the money. Then there’s the guy that threatens those that don’t pay. Then there’s the other cop that’s paid to catch those that won’t or can’t pay, then there’s the guy that is paid to sit and watch those who can’t/won’t pay do nothing all day while they sit in jail, then there’s thousands of tax payers who are threatened to force them to pay pay the cop. The point is threatening people to force them to pay you for your “services” whether or not your “services” are wanted is never the most efficient way to provide valuable services. That is the point at which the perverse incentives come into play.

  • William Wallace

    To not go into the “background” of this situation and then ask if we as the reader would be a BraveHeart”? Is ridiculous. First, let me just state, 1879ish, is when Grand pappy Bundy got this land, do you how? Government land grab and fraudulent treaties signed with Nevada Natives as well as Ute and their treaty members. So I say Karma is a Bitch! Grand Pappy Bundy had no issue with the Feds when they sold him stolen land, now did he? Sins of the Father. So now the Bundys are being swindled out of land and property by the Feds…..Sorry I pass on this….Karma!!!!. Let his neck brethren, help. LMB is in the wrong, but so are the Bundys. My hope is they don’t hide behind the children, like the Dravidians did. And lastly it is about the $$$$ for both the Feds and the Bundys!!!!! Losing respect for CopBlock!

  • Jake C

    Don’t start with the constitution and the federal government. This is about a guy who thinks he is entitled to land that is not his. Period. Now he is losing his cattle and a possible gun fight could erupt. He had a decade to work this out. He didn’t win. Do you honestly think this will be resolved in his favor? If every other rancher has to pay the fees why doesn’t he? They may take his farm. His cattle were free ranging. Now these nut job sovereign nation people are coming down there armed just because he thinks he is entitled to more then what he really is. This isn’t the 1800’s.

  • Common Sense

    That’s the rub isn’t it. They don’t want to pay.

  • Pig Hunter

    Eric Holder was the instigator behind Ruby Ridge, Waco, TX., Fast and Furious and now Nevada! The tyrants are democrats.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    I should have… And that’s my fault.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    That’s about a relevant as Radical Dude’s Firestone Credit debacle. Sheesh.

  • dan

    This is just a deadbeat who won’t pay his rent and is unhappy he is getting thrown out. They should have done this the first year he missed a payment instead of screwing around for 20 years and then garnished his bank account for what he owed like any competent landlord would do.

    Just like any other deadbeat, the longer you let them get away without paying, the more entitled they feel and the more they whine when you finally throw them out.

  • ben dover

    Get as many armed citizens together who are not afraid to confront these cronies . Armed to the max , Turtles will survive , cost of good beef is expensive, I by all my meats from a local butcher all free ranged, Talk about a difference in taste! 500 armed citizens vs 100 feds, I like our odds much better. Remember ,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_the_people,_by_the_people,_for_the_people

  • deepelemblues

    I dunno, ask Senator Reid about when he got the feds to redesign the “protected area” for the tortoise to benefit one of his largest donors.

    I dunno, ask Senator Reid about his son Rory being heavily involved with a Chinese energy company trying to build a solar panel “farm” on the land Bundy is grazing his cattle on.

    I care more about the ridiculous “first amendment zones” than I do about Bundy’s childish rage against the gubmint, but this isn’t a situation of virtuous government trying to stop the depredations of irresponsible citizens. If Bundy had had the foresight to line Dingy Harry’s pockets the BLM would have never gone anywhere near his cattle.

  • JYD

    I could be wrong, but before there was a BLM, they paid for grazing rights to the state, I do not think it was a yearly due, but once the BLM came along it was yearly dues, which were used to put ranchers out of business ie. you pay us to put you under.

  • Kericoleman

    Two decades to work this out. The man is a moron. I have followed this story from inception, and you are right on spot!!!

  • Kericoleman

    And only in DC….read before you post and understand what you are posting.

  • Common Sense

    And look up the Whiskey Rebellion, see how that worked out…

  • John Q Public

    What? Holder wasn’t even the AG during Ruby Ridge or Waco.

  • t

    JQP: Do you see the mentality of the CBers now? Zero clue.

  • t

    They aren’t big fans of real history around here.

  • John Q Public

    I knew their mentality but this is next level ignorance here.

  • RadicalDude

    You think the firestone case(Fuentes v. Shevin, 1972, 407 U.S. 67, 92 S.Ct. 1983, 32 L.Ed.2d 556) isn’t relevant to a police car tow?

    So, then can you explain why a federal judge cited THE EXACT SAME CASE in this opinion given in another case relating to a police car tow?

    Was it also irrelevant when “judge” Sears cited it in

    REMM v. LANDRIEU?

    http://www.leagle.com/decision/1976960418FSupp542_1865.xml/REMM%20v.%20LANDRIEU

    His citation of what you call the “firestone credit debacle” is in the 10th paragraph.

    Was it also irrelevant when the judge cited it in a police car tow case?

    You already lost that debate, it has already been settled. Move on. You are a car thief. Your denialsm relating to your criminality is what is motivating you, not logic. It’s embarrassing. I’m embarrassed for you.

  • RadicalDude
  • ThirtyOneBravo

    We’re not even talking about towing a car… See how irrelevant you are again?

  • RadicalDude

    you brought it up

    http://www.cisoregon.org/webportal/uploaddocs/TOWINGFINALLF.pdf

    Unlike the lawyer who took your side in the other thread where this was debated the lawyer who wrote this article actually cites court precedent and makes a non-frivolous argument that isn’t just “I’m a lawyer and I said so”.

  • ThirtyOneBravo

    and this just goes to show you how 1) butthurt you are because you got got. and 2) how absolutely irrelevant you are. stick to playing race poker.

  • RadicalDude

    lol got got you got yourself what are you talking about. Just be glad that dude who’s car you stole wasn’t prepared to stand up for his rights like he should have and sued you. You got away with committing a crime, congratulations.

  • RadicalDude

    Maybe I am pretty irrelevant in a sense. That’s fine because it’s not really about me. What I say is either right or it is wrong but my personal relevance is beside the point. That is why I prefer to post anonymously, because I don’t really want it to be about me. I’m not really trying to be an internet celebrity like some of these activists in copblock. I think maybe you do have more personal relevance because you are a cop and it’s copblock.

  • d0nj3nko

    I would do exactly what Brundy has done, he has advertised to the fullest extent the corrupt people using lies against him to steal and rob him under the color of law… Reid has been exposed behind this which hopefully will now just die down as he does not like being exposed. We shall see but thank God for the people who came to his aid! God bless us all…

  • Pig Hunter

    Hey Dan, F.O.

    The Feds. just met their match. We Won. Phufk pigs.

  • Pig Hunter

    To all you sodomites. We the People WILL WIN.

  • westforkeastbound

    You’re right about being wrong. The Feds have had control over that land since the U.S. Territory was taken from Mexico in war. The truth is all the land in the U.S. other than the 13 original Colonies were Federal Property that the Feds gave away. However, at the founding of the State of Nevada the State gave all it’s public lands to the U.S. Government. So the State never had that land. Furthermore, before the BLM the land was administered by the General Land Office and the U.S. Grazing Service both Federal agencies. The State has never been a land owner of this property. Bundy has no legal standing he just wants free stuff like any other thief.